Ford C Max Engine Number Location
Nakita Heitmann
Hi, I need to register my car in Spain, my country. In order to do it they ask me for a lot of tech data. One of the things they ask is the engine code. I'm not sure if US cars have a code printed on their engines. I'm confused. I've been talking with Ford US and they are going to mail me a tech sheet with a lot of information, but they guy didn't know about that "engine code", maybe the US cars don't have a code or serial for the engine? I'm confused.
Some countries check the engine number stamped on the block to verify that its the original, not a replacement, and not listed as stolen - I'm guessing this what the igna needs is for.
I apologize for the breach of protocol, but I have posted this question on the Model T site- 135 views but no replies. I have read that Ford did not stamp serial #s until 1925 so it should be there. Supposedly the number was stamped on the passenger side frame rail. I have searched and found nothing. So, is it 1) a model year earlier than 1925, or 2) is the number stamped elsewhere? I found a number on the engine block, but I don't know if the engine is original or a replacement. Thank you for any help!
For the model T Ford, from the first 1909 model (manufactured in late summer 1908) into early 1926 "model" year, that serial number was on the engine block, and although there were other serial numbers associated with the early car (body numbers, radiator numbers, data plate numbers, etc), the ONLY official serial number on the entire car was the one on the engine block. Except for the first hundred or so cars, 1909 into 1912, the serial number was below the valve area, on the car's right hand side. Early in the 1912 model year (about November or December 1911) the "official" serial number was moved to the upper left side of the engine block where it moved around for a few months, before settling onto the space just above the water inlet to the block. There, it remained through the end of model T production.
1926 "model" year production began around September of 1925. It wasn't until well into December of 1925 that Ford began putting the serial number on both the engine block and the frame. So even early 1926 models had only the engine number for the official serial number. Location on the frame was usually very close to near the brake/clutch handle cross shaft. However, it could be on either side frame rail. on the top of the rail. I have seen a couple frames with the serial number farther forward from the cross shaft. No reason is known why the factory did that.
Sometimes, the serial number stamping is faint, and is often hidden by just rust. If one is there, sanding with a medium-fine sandpaper will usually show it. Coarse sandpaper works faster, but if it is faint, might completely obliterate it.
Odd exceptions. Some states, including California where I am, preferred serial numbers be on the frame, even back in the 1920s. So, sometimes, engine numbers, and sometimes state assigned numbers, were stamped onto frames. (California back then requested engine numbers be stamped onto frames, however, it was not required) These might be located anywhere!
If your TT is a 1925 model? It should not have a serial number on the frame. The only serial number for a 195 TT would be the engine block. And that number might be meaningless if the engine was changed at any time in the past 98 years.
The production numbers apply to all cars and trucks. The numbers on the frame started after the introduction of the 1926 improved cars. TT's are the red headed stepchildren when it comes to information, not a lot of info out there. Don't know if the frame was ever stamped or not for the TT's. If it has two bolts mounting ears to back of block and wide low and brake pedal, it is a 1926 up block.
Stuck in high gear is a common problem with model Ts that have sat for a few years. Usually, it is the oil soaked multiple disc clutch that has twenty-five discs stuck together and the oil dried out a bit.
If the engine was in decent running condition before it was parked? Usually, blocking the rear wheels safely off the ground, and going ahead to get the engine running again (with the rear wheels in the air!) will circulate fresh oil, warm whatever was left in the clutch, and then the clutch discs will release as they are supposed to with very little trouble.
The big difference is that Ford supplied bodies for the cars from the very beginning. However, TT trucks were chassis only beginning with the 1918 models (very late 1917 calendar year, still 1918 models!). Other than some special stuff, mostly for the military, the first bodies supplied by the Ford factory for the TT trucks were the fixed roof C-cabs for 1924. The enclosed cab TTs began in 1925. Both C-cab and enclosed cab TT trucks were available with or without either the flat bed or the express (pickup) bed.
I am a newbie here but recently purchased two TT's without a lot of info regarding them. Your discussion is interesting because I too am trying to identify what I recently bought. I have looked for the engine block identification numbers as well as on the frame rail and have come up empty. Is there an exact location of the engine i.d. #'s? Maybe someone has some pics to show me more specifically. Thanks all.
Before that, there would not have been a serial number on the frame anywhere from the factory. Some states encouraged switching to "frame" numbers even by the early 1920s, so in some cases, numbers might be found on the chassis put there by the state, or local constabulary, or even a local repair shop (rules were loose in those days?). In those cases, the numbers could be put ANYWHERE! California was one such state that tried to push chassis numbers very early, and over the years I have seen (and had!) several frames with numbers located in a bunch of different places, always somewhere on the front half of the frame.
For 1926/'27 models with factory stamped serial numbers on the frame? Remove (if there are any?) the front floorboards. See the brake handle and clutch cross shaft (if it is there? Or find where it was?). The factory serial number (IF it has one?) should be on the top of the frame rail, within inches (sometimes directly over!) the brake cross shaft below it. It could be on either the right or the left frame rail. The ten millionth model T was produced almost two years before the serial number was added to the frame, so original serial numbers (on USA built Ts) should be eight digits long.
Water and dirt could often settle into that area, often obscuring the stamping, and sometimes eroding it away. Scrape the area somewhat clean. maybe use some medium grade sandpaper on it to help it show up (if it is there?).
I need to find the engine number for my Fiesta 2014 Duratorq 1.5TDCi. I am reregistering the car in the UK. It was orignially registered in Italy. The engine number is not listed on the Italian registration document.
This (lengthy) page details engine serial number location, dates, and identification for Model A Ford and Model B Ford engines. The engine serial number was used as the defacto VIN number of the vehicle, as noted by Ford in the vehicle owner's manual Instruction Book below.
As shown above in the 1928 Model A Ford Instruction Book, Ford did in fact specify the engine number to be the 'serial number' of the vehicle, during the Model A (and B) era, and throughout the 1930's. The Specifications and License Data page above in the Instruction Book is quite clear and specific about this.
It is popularly but incorrectly claimed by some people that the serial number of the vehicle was a frame number. Actually, not all Model A vehicles even had a frame number. A great many did not have a frame number stamped, and it varied depending on when and which of the more than two dozen assembly plants completed the vehicle final assembly. There is no Ford literature available indicating a frame number was ever intended for any primary identification of a Model A or Model B vehicle by Ford.
When present, the frame number was a duplicate of the original engine number of that chassis. The engine number was assigned and stamped at the Rouge after engine completion and was usually, but not always, later stamped on the top of the frame flange at the vehicle assembly plant as a backup to aid in positive identification of stolen vehicles. In the 1930's, vehicle theft was actually quite a large problem.
A check for a possible frame number requires removal of the body and fender splash aprons from the frame. Any number present is frequently obscured or illegible due to corrosion and pitting from moisture held by the cotton frame webbing between the frame and body.
The engine number, not a frame number, was the original serial number of the vehicle for title and registration purposes. This is true throughout the Ford Model A and B US and Canadian production era.
Most US and Canadian built Model A Ford engines found in North and South America with serial number prefixes A, AA, AF, or AAF, and Model B Ford engines with serial number prefixes AB, AAB, B, or BB were built at the Rouge or Windsor, Ontario. An 'F' in the number indicated a RHD export configuration for US and Canadian production.
Engines produced at Cork, Ireland, at Manchester and later Dagenham, England, and at Kln, Germany variously carried serial number prefixes A, AF, AA, B, BF, and BB, however with distinctly identifiable numeric serial numbers based on place of manufacture. An 'F' in the number or model indicated a small bore/displacement 14.9 HP (RAC) engine for taxation purposes
Cork, Manchester, Dagenham, and Kln used serial numbers assigned from groups of numbers granted by the Rouge from within the larger sequence of Rouge numbers. Some Model B engines having an AA prefix and Rouge group serial numbers were also built and stamped at Dagenham in 1935 and 1936 and were used in Model AA trucks having factory Model B engines.
The engine number was assigned to completed engines after they had passed the electric motor-driven engine run-in (run-off) tests. They were then released to the Branch Assembly plants for vehicle assembly. The engine number then became the serial number for the complete vehicle at final vehicle assembly.
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