Buenos Aires - Fundación Gutenberg
Gez
probably also translating!) Dave's lecture and workshop at Fundación
Gutenberg - Buenos Aires, on tuesday, jun 7th.
Matías is a teacher at Fundación Gutenberg, a renowned institute that
trains press and prepress operators and graphic designers. He's also a
free software enthusiast and he's writing his thesis about free
software in print shops.
Saluden a Matías :-)
Lila Pagola
> probably also translating!) Dave's lecture and workshop at Fundación
> Gutenberg - Buenos Aires, on tuesday, jun 7th.
Hola Matías,
and to everyone
> Matías is a teacher at Fundación Gutenberg, a renowned institute that
> trains press and prepress operators and graphic designers. He's also a
> free software enthusiast and he's writing his thesis about free
> software in print shops.
Very happy to know about you and FG... and please, I want to read this thesis!
So, I have a meeting yesterday in Córdoba and we have some possible
dates for the workshop and the talks at the Spilimbergo school.
Workshop could be:
Monday 30 (from 18 to 21h), in an auditorium (used as a classroom sometimes)
Tuesday 31 (from 11 to 14h) in computer lab
Topics:
- short history of typographic design including free software and
licenses for typography
- history of typography technology
- short introduction to basics of typographic design (counting on
previous knowledge)
- designing a typography collaborative in a group
- doing engineering of a typography collaborative in a group
optionally
- typographic design for screen/web
Dave: I don't know if the time is enough for this topics ... please,
tell me your opinion.
This workshop would be oriented to design students with interests in
typographic design.
The participants could be max 40, where 20 could be from the
Spilimbergo school and the other 20 from other schools.
The external students would pay a little fee (around 20-25 usd).
If we have more people interested than this numbers, we can do a kind
of selection (for instance, receipting just students, not professional
designers, or giving priority to advanced students, or even on some
"design work review")
Otherwise we can set the activity in the computer lab (which has
around 40 computers) as an optional, and work on the software topics
in the auditorium ... I don't find this a good idea regarding
technical learning, but if we pretend something introductory maybe
it's going to work ... and I don't also know which contents exactly
are going to be taught ...
Talks could be:
Friday June 3 (from 19 ...) in the auditorium, and here we have all to define :)
So, these are my news ...
best,
Mat!as
Gutenberg Foundation's proposal is to work during the afternoon in a
workshop and then make a presentation, in both cases would be open to
the community.
The participants will be students or professionals in fields related
to communication and design. For the facilities we could work in the
auditorium but we also have the opportunity to work in classrooms with
computers, I think that we're able to consider the classroom
possibility if the number of visitors permits.
As they do in Cordoba the idea is to have a record of attendees to
work on materials and skills of participants.
I will invite to the group authorities of Fundación Gutenberg (such as
the director of studies and the coordinator of the career of design)
so that they can also work with us.
Any idea or suggestion we kept in touch.
Greetings
Dave Crossland
Matías, muchas gracias de coordinar y traducir para mí en la Fundación
Gutenberg! Me encantaría leer su tesis sobre software libre en las
tiendas de impresión, estoy en el gráfico Libre reunión de 2011 en
Montreal, y hay mucha actividad alrededor de ese tema aquí! Me
gustaría presentarles a Luis Dejardin del equipo de Scribus (http://
ca.linkedin.com/pub/louis-desjardins/7/568/b90) que está organizando
el evento cuando ocurre en Montreal, se encuentra con un :-) imprenta
Lila, estoy contento de hablar sobre cualquiera de los temas que
lista. Por favor, averiguar cuál es el anfitrión del evento más les
gustaría escuchar, y voy a tratar de personalizar el hablar por ellos.
Sugiero que la web actual tema de las fuentes es el más interesante,
pero puedo hablar acerca de la historia también :-)
En cuanto a los honorarios, estoy feliz por la acogida de cobrar o no
cobrar una cuota, que depende de ellos. Una pequeña cantidad como $ 25
no es muy importante.
Si mucha gente está interesada, prefiero hablar con las personas con
las fuentes existentes, que podrían traer para mi examen, o las
personas que están dispuestos a convertirse en diseñadores activos de
la fuente.
En cuanto a laboratorios de computación, creo que corren el riesgo de
una gran complejidad. Muchas cosas pueden ir mal! Sugiero que la mejor
tecnología es la fotocopiadora humilde! :-) fiables y útiles, pero no
es obligatorio
Además, desde que proponen el uso de software libre, que los
laboratorios de computación ejecutar GNU / Linux? Si no, entonces
definitivamente me evitarlos :-)
¡Salud
Dave
Dave Crossland
Matías, thank you so much for coordinating and translating for me at
Fundación Gutenberg! I would love to read your thesis about free
software in print shops; I am at the Libre Graphics Meeting 2011 in
Montreal, and there is A LOT of activity around that topic here! I
would love to introduce you to Louis Dejardin of the Scribus team
(http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/louis-desjardins/7/568/b90) who is
organizing the event when it happens in Montreal, he runs a print shop
:-)
Lila, I am happy to speak on any of the topics you list. Please find
out what the host of the event would most like to hear about, and I
will try to customize the talk for them. I suggest that the
contemporary web fonts topic is the most interesting, but I can talk
about history too :-)
Regarding fees, I am happy for the host to charge or not charge a fee,
that is up to them. A small fee like $25 is not very important.
If many people are interested, I would prefer to speak to those with
existing fonts that they could bring for me to review, or people who
are keen to become active font designers.
Regarding computer labs, I feel that they risk a lot of complexity. A
lot can go wrong! I suggest the best technology is the humble
photocopier! Reliable and useful, but not required :-)
Also, since I propose using libre software, will the computer labs run
GNU/Linux? If no, then definitely I avoid them :-)
Cheers
Dave
Matías H. Alli
Hi!
Matías, thank you so much for coordinating and translating for me at
Fundación Gutenberg! I would love to read your thesis about free
software in print shops; I am at the Libre Graphics Meeting 2011 in
Montreal, and there is A LOT of activity around that topic here! I
would love to introduce you to Louis Dejardin of the Scribus team
(http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/louis-desjardins/7/568/b90) who is
organizing the event when it happens in Montreal, he runs a print shop
:-)
With Andrea we are working on promotional material for the lecture and workshop, we will share when ready.
We are considering that participants must be registered, thus we intend committing them and known more about them.
Lila, I am happy to speak on any of the topics you list. Please find
out what the host of the event would most like to hear about, and I
will try to customize the talk for them. I suggest that the
contemporary web fonts topic is the most interesting, but I can talk
about history too :-)
Regarding fees, I am happy for the host to charge or not charge a fee,
that is up to them. A small fee like $25 is not very important.
If many people are interested, I would prefer to speak to those with
existing fonts that they could bring for me to review, or people who
are keen to become active font designers.
Regarding computer labs, I feel that they risk a lot of complexity. A
lot can go wrong! I suggest the best technology is the humble
photocopier! Reliable and useful, but not required :-)
Also, since I propose using libre software, will the computer labs run
GNU/Linux? If no, then definitely I avoid them :-)
Cheers
Dave
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Dave Crossland
> We are considering that participants must be registered, thus we
> intend committing them and known more about them.
Sounds good to me :)
Me parece bien :)
Lila Pagola
>
> Lila, I am happy to speak on any of the topics you list. Please find
> out what the host of the event would most like to hear about, and I
> will try to customize the talk for them. I suggest that the
> contemporary web fonts topic is the most interesting, but I can talk
> about history too :-)
So, I will ask at at school about better topics, and we finish the
list in this week.
>
> Regarding fees, I am happy for the host to charge or not charge a fee,
> that is up to them. A small fee like $25 is not very important.
The idea is to charge only to external students, half of people. The
other half, students from the host school, will attend free. We were
planning a workshop for 40 students regarding to the computer of the
lab, but if it's not really required, we can extend as far as you
resist ... Indeed, the place where the workshop will take place is an
auditorium for 250 people ...
Anyway, I guess not more than 60-70?
> If many people are interested, I would prefer to speak to those with
> existing fonts that they could bring for me to review, or people who
> are keen to become active font designers.
perfect, I think bringing their fonts or experiments would be a
"strong" criteria for selecting, just in case ...
>
> Regarding computer labs, I feel that they risk a lot of complexity. A
> lot can go wrong! I suggest the best technology is the humble
> photocopier! Reliable and useful, but not required :-)
we have a photocopier very close to the classroom! But it's shared
with the whole school and sometimes there are long lines ..., do you
think we are going to do a kind of "heavy use"? In this case we can
talk to reserve one just for the workshop ...
Regarding computers, the lab has an old Ubuntu running in 30 machines,
but anycase we can let it as an option and concentrate the topics in
the auditorium.
So, we can unify the schedule on Monday 30 and Tuesday 31 at 19hs, and
optional practice on Tuesday from 11 to 14, if you think is worth ...
Do you need a good internet connection for your class?
What about communication of the event? Are we going to coordinate this
among different cities?
best,
Dave Crossland
2011/5/9 Lila Pagola <lilap...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Lila, I am happy to speak on any of the topics you list. Please find
>> out what the host of the event would most like to hear about, and I
>> will try to customize the talk for them. I suggest that the
>> contemporary web fonts topic is the most interesting, but I can talk
>> about history too :-)
>
> I'm a art history professor! :) but I understand ...
Well, if talking about the history is desired, I can do that :-)
> So, I will ask at at school about better topics, and we finish the
> list in this week.
:-)
>> Regarding fees, I am happy for the host to charge or not charge a fee,
>> that is up to them. A small fee like $25 is not very important.
>
> The idea is to charge only to external students, half of people. The
> other half, students from the host school, will attend free.
Sounds good to me :-)
> We were
> planning a workshop for 40 students regarding to the computer of the
> lab, but if it's not really required, we can extend as far as you
> resist ... Indeed, the place where the workshop will take place is an
> auditorium for 250 people ...
> Anyway, I guess not more than 60-70?
I believe the workshop method I have developed with the wonderful OSP
folks in Brussels will scale up to any sized group. The workshop we
ran at LGM 2010 had about 40 people and worked well, the workshop
HackLaViva had only 8 people and also worked well.
The method is simply described as this:
0. People bring pens and pencils and paper, and a photocopier, and a
scanner, and a digital camera, and projector
1. I give a quick talk about glyph drawing techniques
2. Everyone draw an 'n' in 3 minutes about 7cm tall
3. Everyone place their papers together (big table, wall, floor)
4a. We discuss the results
4b. I pick one
4c. I photocopy it so everyone has a copy, or take a scan or digital
photo and project it if we have a projector, or pin it on the wall
where everyone can see if if we have nothing :)
5. Everyone traces or redraws the 'n' and then draws an 'o' that goes
with it, in 5 minutes
6, 7a, 7b, 7c, Well, I think you have the idea about how we can
collaborate on a typeface :-)
So, questions about the space:
Does the auditorium have tables for people to draw on?
Does the auditorium have larger table area, or wall space, or floor
space, where people can each place a paper page in a big group for
everyone to review?
There are some photos of the HackLaViva workshop here, so you can get
a clearer idea:
https://picasaweb.google.com/pedamado/20100619FontWorkshopHacklaviva#5484824939128205106
>> If many people are interested, I would prefer to speak to those with
>> existing fonts that they could bring for me to review, or people who
>> are keen to become active font designers.
>
> perfect, I think bringing their fonts or experiments would be a
> "strong" criteria for selecting, just in case ...
:-)
> we have a photocopier very close to the classroom! But it's shared
> with the whole school and sometimes there are long lines ..., do you
> think we are going to do a kind of "heavy use"? In this case we can
> talk to reserve one just for the workshop ...
Yes, it would be used almost constantly if it is available.
> Regarding computers, the lab has an old Ubuntu running in 30 machines,
> but anycase we can let it as an option and concentrate the topics in
> the auditorium.
In theory this can work with computers just as well as with paper,
however, there is not yet good software for doing this in practice. I
will bring an Inkscape developer with me for the whole trip, Felipe
Sanches, so perhaps we will have software for such workshops at the
end of the trip, and you can run similar workshops yourself in the
future with computers....
> So, we can unify the schedule on Monday 30 and Tuesday 31 at 19hs, and
> optional practice on Tuesday from 11 to 14, if you think is worth ...
>
> Do you need a good internet connection for your class?
For my presentations I like to simply load up a bunch of tabs, but no
fast connection is required.
> What about communication of the event? Are we going to coordinate this
> among different cities?
I will publish a generic poster and Inkscape source files on the UF
website this week, I hope, but the communication is really up to the
event hosts :-)
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Cheers
Dave
Lila Pagola
> Hi Lila!
>
> 2011/5/9 Lila Pagola <lilap...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Lila, I am happy to speak on any of the topics you list. Please find
>>> out what the host of the event would most like to hear about, and I
>>> will try to customize the talk for them. I suggest that the
>>> contemporary web fonts topic is the most interesting, but I can talk
>>> about history too :-)
>>
>> I'm a art history professor! :) but I understand ...
>
> Well, if talking about the history is desired, I can do that :-)
ask my colleagues which topics will be more useful.
>> We were
>> planning a workshop for 40 students regarding to the computer of the
>> lab, but if it's not really required, we can extend as far as you
>> resist ... Indeed, the place where the workshop will take place is an
>> auditorium for 250 people ...
>> Anyway, I guess not more than 60-70?
>
> I believe the workshop method I have developed with the wonderful OSP
> folks in Brussels will scale up to any sized group. The workshop we
> ran at LGM 2010 had about 40 people and worked well, the workshop
> HackLaViva had only 8 people and also worked well.
ok, so 40 people is ok ... I guess is a good number for a workshop.
>
> The method is simply described as this:
>
> 0. People bring pens and pencils and paper, and a photocopier, and a
> scanner, and a digital camera, and projector
>
> 1. I give a quick talk about glyph drawing techniques
>
> 2. Everyone draw an 'n' in 3 minutes about 7cm tall
>
> 3. Everyone place their papers together (big table, wall, floor)
>
> 4a. We discuss the results
>
> 4b. I pick one
>
> 4c. I photocopy it so everyone has a copy, or take a scan or digital
> photo and project it if we have a projector, or pin it on the wall
> where everyone can see if if we have nothing :)
>
> 5. Everyone traces or redraws the 'n' and then draws an 'o' that goes
> with it, in 5 minutes
>
> 6, 7a, 7b, 7c, Well, I think you have the idea about how we can
> collaborate on a typeface :-)
>
> So, questions about the space:
>
> Does the auditorium have tables for people to draw on?
Yes, it could have several tables if needed. The auditorium has not
fixed chairs, and it's used as a classroom sometimes ...
>
> Does the auditorium have larger table area, or wall space, or floor
> space, where people can each place a paper page in a big group for
> everyone to review?
yes, it has a kind or little "scenery" elevated around 50 cm, or any
place in the floor could be also used ...
>
> There are some photos of the HackLaViva workshop here, so you can get
> a clearer idea:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/pedamado/20100619FontWorkshopHacklaviva#5484824939128205106
The space is much bigger but I think is going to fit perfectly your idea...
do you
>> think we are going to do a kind of "heavy use"? In this case we can
>> talk to reserve one just for the workshop ...
>
> Yes, it would be used almost constantly if it is available.
ok, I will see if possible ...
>
>> Regarding computers, the lab has an old Ubuntu running in 30 machines,
>> but anycase we can let it as an option and concentrate the topics in
>> the auditorium.
>
> In theory this can work with computers just as well as with paper,
> however, there is not yet good software for doing this in practice. I
> will bring an Inkscape developer with me for the whole trip, Felipe
> Sanches, so perhaps we will have software for such workshops at the
> end of the trip, and you can run similar workshops yourself in the
> future with computers....
:) does felipe want to give a workshop also?
best,
Matías H. Alli
We are working to promote the event and our first step is this press release, we would like to invite other educational institutions and possibly t-convoca.
Before doing so we would like that you give your approval.
There's a change on the dates, we separate dates for the lecture and the workshop because we believe we will have a higher calling that way.
Greetings
Mat!as
Lucas Mourelle
15-6539-9850
in...@lucasmourelle.com.ar
www.lucasmourelle.com.ar
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Matías H Alli
Also want to share with you that we are looking for accommodation during the stay in BuenosAires, so far we are in discussions but we have nothing confirmed yet, If we succeed we will inform you . Likewise let us know If you have a place to stay in Buenos Aires .
Greetings.
Mat!as
Dave Crossland
2011/5/11 Lucas Mourelle <in...@lucasmourelle.com.ar>:
>
> I'll introduce myself, since I'm in the mail group but hadn't written yet.
> I'm Lucas Mourelle, a fellow professor at Fundación Gutenberg, along with
> Matías Alli. I'm a designer, programmer and teacher. At Gutenberg I teach
> Multimedia Design and Web Development.
Great!
> I'm also able to offer my help in whatever happens to be necessary; helping
> Matías with the translations, assisting in the organization of the
> activities, whatever.
Thank you!
> I'm also looking forward to the non-computer workshop on type design. It's a
> great idea to keep away from the computers in this kind of workshop. I'll be
> very very glad to participate.
:-D
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Cheers
Dave
Dave Crossland
2011/5/19 Matías H Alli <matia...@gmail.com>:
>
> Let me introduce you Silvina Subotich, she is responsible for the design
> department at Gutenberg Foundation as well as the
> Degree in graphic design (Silvina, I apologize if there is any mistake)
Hi Silvina!
> Also want to share with you that we are looking for accommodation during the
> stay in BuenosAires, so far we are in discussions but we
> have nothing confirmed yet, If we succeed we will inform you . Likewise let
> us know If you have a place to stay in Buenos Aires .
Thank you so much! I didn't arrange anywhere yet, I'm sure we can stay
in a hostel or hotel if we need to :-)
Cheers
Dave
Espacio Canvas
porque a través de publicaciones en la web, de Buenos Aires nos
consultan. Saludos ;)
Andrea Gergich
Matías H Alli
I tell you the news about the inscriptions to the lecture and theworkshop at Gutenberg Foundation.
For the lecture we inscribed 120 students of Gutenberg Foundation and 160 people involved in the design, students and community professionals.
For the workshop we inscribed 100 people of whom we selected 50 based on your CV and professional experience.
Our auditorium has a capacity for 120 people seated and 60 standing.
Considering the amount of entries that seems to add another day on Friday 06/10?
The risk is that as this is a free event participants finally not come, to prevent this we confirm each one (Mail or phone call).
I'm interested in your opinion based on experiences in Cordoba, Rosario and Santa Fe
Greetings!
Mat!as
Huerta Gráfica
Matías H Alli
Huerta Gráfica
Andrea Gergich
Andrea Gergich
www.fundaciongutenberg.edu.ar
Belgrano 4299 · Ciudad de Buenos Aires · Argentina
Tel: 4981-5389 · Fax: 4982-3909
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Dave Crossland
Sorry for the delay, so much happening this week that I have had
little time on my computer! :)
2011/5/30 Matías H Alli <matia...@gmail.com>:
> For the
> lecture we inscribed 120 students of Gutenberg Foundation and 160 people
> involved in the design, students and community professionals.
Great!
> Our auditorium has a capacity for 120 people seated and 60 standing.
> Considering the amount of entries that seems to add another
> day on Friday 06/10?
Yes, Friday evening would be fine!
> The risk is that as this is a free event participants finally not come, to
> prevent this we confirm each one (Mail or phone call).
That's great, you could also charge a small fee - $20 pesos or
something? - which helps a lot with commitment if its easy to take the
payments for FG.
> I'm interested in your opinion based on experiences
> in Cordoba, Rosario and Santa Fe
The lecture audiences varied from 20 to 200. All sizes are fine so if
people register but don't attend its fine with me :)
> For the workshop we inscribed 100 people of whom we selected 50 based
> on your CV and professional experience.
Great! The purpose of the whole trip is to meet people capable of
providing quality libre fonts to Google, so the more type design and
calligraphy experience they have, the better :-)
2011/6/1 Andrea Gergich <andrea...@gmail.com>:
>
> I hope you are having a good time in Argentina! and surely very interesting
> days there in Cordoba.
Its been great!
> As Matias said, we are having many interested people for your activities
> here at Gutenberg, Buenos Aires. It would be great to offer one more lecture
> and workshop, as long as you agree!
> -one more workshop on Tuesday 7th, from 14:00 to 18:00
That's good!
> -one more lecture on Thursday 9th, from 15:00 to 18:00 or on Friday 10th,
> from 19:00 to 22:00
Friday is better.
I have added both these to the calendar :-)
Matías H Alli
Greetings.
Mat!as
Andrea Gergich
Andrea
DG Andrea Gergich
Directora de Estudios de Nivel Superior / GUTENBERG
www.fundaciongutenberg.edu.ar
Belgrano 4299 · Ciudad de Buenos Aires · Argentina
Tel: 4981-5389 · Fax: 4982-3909
Dave Crossland
> so we confirm these activities at Gutenberg:
Confirmed and on the calendar!
Dave Crossland
I'm sorry to say that there has been a mistake on my calendar and I
was already booked on Friday evening, 6pm-9pm
We talked about a lecture, 19:00-22:00, on Friday at Fundacion
Gutenberg, but perhaps we could make it 21.30 - 22.30, or perhaps make
it the last hour of the workshop on Thursday.
Cheers
Dave