Universal starting point revisited
S D Rodrian
Fred Stone <fsto...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> S D Rodrian wrote:
>
> > In article <3A83FEE0...@earthlink.net>,
> > Fred Stone <fsto...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > S D Rodrian wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <3A82E76F...@earthlink.net>,
> > > > Fred Stone <fsto...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > > > S D Rodrian wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In article <3A82AD03...@ix.netcom.com>,
> > > > > > "Charles R. Bond" <cb...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Excuse me, did you state the universe is deterministic?
> > > > > > > If so, could you explain (briefly) what you mean by that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Very briefly indeed: "There are NO uncaused effects."
> > > > >
> > > > > Quantum events, (such as emission of photons,
> > > > > radioactive decay of atoms,
> > > > > etc) are uncaused.
> > > >
> > > > Nor bunnies found at the bottom of
> > > > magicians' top hats. I feel your pain.
> > >
> > > Was that supposed to be a meaningful response?
> >
> > Yes: Supremely meaningful, in fact...
> > If anyone/anything could get something from nothing,
> > O what a beautiful world this would be! (As sung
> > by Ray Stevens or Cat Stevens, one of those.)
>
> Strange, I had thought at first
> that there was something
> in this thread about first-causal
> arguments at the "starting point"
> of the Universe.
There is! However, if you already "know"
that "existence is all that exists (without
any qualifications of time/place)," then
you know that the universe of matter is
something which is but for a time--it does
have both a beginning and an end. Moreover,
as I said before: Existence itself, on
the other hand, does NOT: And this means
that when it comes down to it... everything
"in existence" (including the universe of
matter itself) which we like to think of
as having both a beginning and an end, are
but only as "peaks among/amid the unending
extents of existence" that underpin it all:
They have no more beginnings/ends than do
the white peaks one "makes out" over a choppy
sea... we ourselves may "endow them" with
the great honor/attribute of quite discrete
"individuality" but, in reality, they are,
exactly like every wave in the ocean: only
a jumble of "chaotic" reactions (and it's
hardly possible to have a reaction without
the action it's reacting to/with/against):
In other words, it's ALL just a jumble of
purely relativistic (never really absolutely
discontinuous) causes & effects.
> I didn't realize that it was about
> music appreciation.
Or, as the old song goes: "Where one mountain
ends and the next mountain has its beginning...
that place is but where you, and no one else,
has pointed to." --I just made that up, so
don't start after the tune.
S D Rodrian
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> --
> Fred Stone
> aa # 1369
> -insert appropriate White Zombie lyrics-
Sure:
"I shouldn't have vacationed in Haiti.
Nor gotten a witchdoctor iratee.
But how was I to know
His daughter's yes was no?
I was, Titanic'ly:
Th'Unsinkable Infatuatee
sunk by that nippy
inebriate that's Me!"
--SDR, ASCAP/BMI
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