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Fabricio C Zuardi

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Aug 30, 2010, 6:14:23 PM8/30/10
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Amit Garg (http://nodeknockout.com/people/f81f6a4c1bbe0f6f76100000 ) was
the first Expert Judge (http://nodeknockout.com/judging#judges ) to
review our submission, here are his comments and ratings:


"I didn't have an iPad to test with so could only check the video demo.
Very neat and I can definitely see multiple applications."

Utility: 5/5
Design: 5/5
Innovation: 5/5
Completeness: 4/5

\o/

Thanks again guys, I still plan to do a blog post about the weekend and
upload some short videos of the demos to Vimeo soon, and I will update
this thread as soon as more judges post their reviews :)

I had a great time, and I want to take this project forward.

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Daniel Quirino Oliveira

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Aug 30, 2010, 7:31:01 PM8/30/10
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Neat! Good news. I'm about to blog about our weekend experience as
soon as I can.

Daniel Quirino Oliveira
http://nullability.org

Mauricio

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Aug 30, 2010, 8:10:44 PM8/30/10
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Mto bom!
;)

Tentei mostrar o demo 2 pra Edna e tá meio tenso mmo o lance da performance ..

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Daniel Quirino Oliveira

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Aug 30, 2010, 8:44:11 PM8/30/10
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Edna?

Daniel Quirino Oliveira
http://nullability.org

On 30 August 2010 21:29, Mauricio <maurici...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mto bom!
> ;)
>
> Tentei mostrar o demo 2 pra Edna e tá meio tenso mmo o lance da performance ..
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 30, 2010, Daniel Quirino Oliveira <dani...@gmail.com> wrote:

Mauricio Zuardi

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Aug 30, 2010, 8:49:25 PM8/30/10
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Edna is my wife.
(oh, and sorry about the non-english answer, got the email and just
answered .. no thinking envolved ;)



On 30 ago, 21:44, Daniel Quirino Oliveira <danie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Edna?
>
> Daniel Quirino Oliveirahttp://nullability.org
>
> On 30 August 2010 21:29, Mauricio <mauricio.zua...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Mto bom!
> > ;)
>
> > Tentei mostrar o demo 2 pra Edna e tá meio tenso mmo o lance da performance ..
>
> > On Monday, August 30, 2010, Daniel Quirino Oliveira <danie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Neat! Good news. I'm about to blog about our weekend experience as
> >> soon as I can.
>
> >> Daniel Quirino Oliveira
> >>http://nullability.org
>
> >> On 30 August 2010 19:14, Fabricio C Zuardi <fabri...@fabricio.org> wrote:
>
> >>> Amit Garg (http://nodeknockout.com/people/f81f6a4c1bbe0f6f76100000) was
> >>> the first Expert Judge (http://nodeknockout.com/judging#judges) to

Fabricio C Zuardi

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Aug 31, 2010, 7:15:06 PM8/31/10
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Our second Expert Judge review:

John Resig (http://nodeknockout.com/people/f81f6a4cb8fc006f76110000 )

"Took me a little bit to figure out what the project was trying to
achieve but once I got it (remote control for your web apps) it became
quite easy to understand. While I didn't have access to an iPad for the
audio demo I was able to load it on my iPhone and achieved a similar
result. Definitely an interesting idea but certainly one that will need
more refinement and documentation before hitting the big time. I would
probably call it something like "Remote control" or some such to play up
that angle (the scissor metaphor did not extend well)."


Utility: 3/5
Design: 1/5
Innovation: 3/5
Completeness: 2/5


We definitely need to improve our message, documentation and examples.

If John Resig can't understand it and thinks our entry is a simple
"remote control for web apps" as smart as he is, then other people might
not get it as well. We need that gallery of example pages done :)

[]s

Mauricio Zuardi

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Sep 1, 2010, 8:33:30 AM9/1/10
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Agreed. The message ended up not as straightforward as it should.
(but his hand was a bit heavy on the scores ..)





On 31 ago, 20:15, Fabricio C Zuardi <fabri...@fabricio.org> wrote:
> Our second Expert Judge review:
>
> John Resig (http://nodeknockout.com/people/f81f6a4cb8fc006f76110000)
>
> "Took me a little bit to figure out what the project was trying to
> achieve but once I got it (remote control for your web apps) it became
> quite easy to understand. While I didn't have access to an iPad for the
> audio demo I was able to load it on my iPhone and achieved a similar
> result. Definitely an interesting idea but certainly one that will need
> more refinement and documentation before hitting the big time. I would
> probably call it something like "Remote control" or some such to play up
> that angle (the scissor metaphor did not extend well)."
>
> Utility:       3/5
> Design:        1/5
> Innovation:    3/5
> Completeness:  2/5
>
> We definitely need to improve our message, documentation and examples.
>
> If John Resig can't understand it and thinks our entry is a simple
> "remote control for web apps" as smart as he is, then other people might
> not get it as well. We need that gallery of example pages done :)
>
> []s
>
> On 8/30/10 7:14 PM, Fabricio C Zuardi wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Amit Garg (http://nodeknockout.com/people/f81f6a4c1bbe0f6f76100000) was
> > the first Expert Judge (http://nodeknockout.com/judging#judges) to

Armando Neto

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Sep 1, 2010, 11:08:24 AM9/1/10
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We still can edit our info page, maybe change something there?

Fabricio C Zuardi

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Sep 1, 2010, 11:09:26 AM9/1/10
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That's a good idea!

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Fabricio C Zuardi
http://fabricio.org

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Mauricio

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Sep 1, 2010, 11:14:42 AM9/1/10
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I meant the visual message ..
(but if u guys want to double check the description, go 4 it)

Mauricio

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Sep 1, 2010, 11:18:20 AM9/1/10
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Have you guys seen the score?

If we improve a bit, we can make it to the top 10.

Fabricio C Zuardi

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Sep 1, 2010, 11:22:33 AM9/1/10
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What about tweaking only the Introduction paragraph?

My suggestion:


# Introduction #

Web pages and web applications today normally runs on a single
screen/device. Wouldn't it be cool if an application UI could be divided
and distributed over multiple devices?

That's what our project is trying to fix. We want people to break/split
a web page to use it with two or more devices instead of being locked in
the borders of one single browser window.

We call this type of web applications "Sliceable Apps", and the Umeboshi
Server(our entry) is the infrastructure that provides the communication
channels that make this possible.

The Umeboshi server makes it possible for separated html pages
communicate with each other.


On 9/1/10 12:14 PM, Mauricio wrote:
> I meant the visual message ..
> (but if u guys want to double check the description, go 4 it)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Fabricio C Zuardi
> <fabr...@fabricio.org <mailto:fabr...@fabricio.org>> wrote:
>
> That's a good idea!
>
>
> On 9/1/10 12:08 PM, Armando Neto wrote:
>> We still can edit our info page, maybe change something there?
>
>
>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mauricio Zuardi wrote:
>
>>> Agreed. The message ended up not as straightforward as it should.
>>> (but his hand was a bit heavy on the scores ..)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 31 ago, 20:15, Fabricio C Zuardi <fabri...@fabricio.org

>>>> Fabricio C Zuardihttp://fabricio.org <http://fabricio.org>
>
>

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Mauricio

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Sep 1, 2010, 11:24:36 AM9/1/10
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YEAH!
My vote is GO FOR IT!

Armando Neto

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Sep 1, 2010, 11:26:18 AM9/1/10
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OK

Fabricio C Zuardi

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Sep 1, 2010, 11:27:55 AM9/1/10
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Mudei, ficou legal que na leaderboard aparece s� o primeiro paragrafo,
que mais ou menos passa a ideia.

Imagem em anexo.

> <mailto:fabr...@fabricio.org <mailto:fabr...@fabricio.org>>> wrote:
>
>> That's a good idea!
>
>
>> On 9/1/10 12:08 PM, Armando Neto wrote:
>>> We still can edit our info page, maybe change something there?
>
>
>>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Mauricio Zuardi wrote:
>
>>>> Agreed. The message ended up not as straightforward as it should.
>>>> (but his hand was a bit heavy on the scores ..)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 31 ago, 20:15, Fabricio C Zuardi <fabri...@fabricio.org
> <mailto:fabri...@fabricio.org>

>> <mailto:fabri...@fabricio.org <mailto:fabri...@fabricio.org>>>

>>>>> Fabricio C Zuardihttp://fabricio.org <http://fabricio.org/>
> <http://fabricio.org <http://fabricio.org/>>

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Armando Neto

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Sep 1, 2010, 11:33:16 AM9/1/10
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So, the app name is Umeboshi Fireteam instead Umeboshi Server


On Sep 1, 2010, at 12:27 PM, Fabricio C Zuardi wrote:

> Mudei, ficou legal que na leaderboard aparece só o primeiro paragrafo,

> <Screen shot 2010-09-01 at 12.26.34 PM.png>

Fabricio C Zuardi

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Sep 1, 2010, 11:34:43 AM9/1/10
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fixed that too :)


On 9/1/10 12:33 PM, Armando Neto wrote:
> So, the app name is Umeboshi Fireteam instead Umeboshi Server
>
>
> On Sep 1, 2010, at 12:27 PM, Fabricio C Zuardi wrote:
>

>> Mudei, ficou legal que na leaderboard aparece s� o primeiro paragrafo,

Fabricio C Zuardi

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Sep 1, 2010, 2:37:52 PM9/1/10
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By the way, it is now possible to leave replies on the feedbacks we got:
http://nodeknockout.com/teams/umeboshi-fireteam

I think this can start good discussions and helps us get a better idea
on how to evolve the project once the competition ends, kudos for the
node knockout organization, I really liked that they've gave us this
feature :)

Fabricio C Zuardi

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Sep 1, 2010, 6:40:29 PM9/1/10
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I have updated our description again, to try to make it simple after the
bomb that John Woodell throwed :)

Please let me know what you guys think of the new one:

http://nodeknockout.com/teams/umeboshi-fireteam

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Fabricio C Zuardi

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Sep 1, 2010, 6:43:19 PM9/1/10
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BTW, here is his review:

John Woodell (http://nodeknockout.com/people/f91f6a4c346b0d6f76130000)

"Lots of docs, but the demos don't clearly explain what is going of that
is so innovative."

Utility: 2/5
Design: 5/5
Innovation: 2/5
Completness: 2/5

:(

Mauricio

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Sep 1, 2010, 7:51:11 PM9/1/10
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Unfortunately I suppose we are not up to the prizes after this last review.
But the project still interesting 4 me, so if u guys decide to continue with it, count me in!




>>>>> Mudei, ficou legal que na leaderboard aparece só o primeiro paragrafo,

Fabricio C Zuardi

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Sep 1, 2010, 9:07:29 PM9/1/10
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I am totally in to continue this uncomprehended project!! :)

Also, I have made a very easy to understand screencast in English, it is
exporting right now and is another attempt to explain for the gringos
WTF our project is about :P

I'll let you guys know when it is online on Vimeo.

Go Umeboshi!

> >>>>> Mudei, ficou legal que na leaderboard aparece s� o primeiro


> paragrafo,
> >>>>> que mais ou menos passa a ideia.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Imagem em anexo.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 9/1/10 12:26 PM, Armando Neto wrote:
> >>>>>> OK
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Mauricio wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> YEAH!
> >>>>>>> My vote is GO FOR IT!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Fabricio C Zuardi
> >>>>>>> <fabr...@fabricio.org <mailto:fabr...@fabricio.org>

Fabricio C Zuardi

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Sep 1, 2010, 9:11:38 PM9/1/10
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Another judge! This time a positive review \o/

Danny Coates (http://nodeknockout.com/people/54556b4c7d0906055d010000 )

"The multi-device/window web app is an interesting idea. The initial
loading of the pages on multiple devices is a bit awkward, but you've
got to start somewhere. This could be an awesome service if you nail
that part. Great Work!"

Utility: 3/5
Design: 3/5
Innovation: 4/5
Completness: 3/5

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On 9/1/10 8:51 PM, Mauricio wrote:

> >>>>> Mudei, ficou legal que na leaderboard aparece s� o primeiro


> paragrafo,
> >>>>> que mais ou menos passa a ideia.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Imagem em anexo.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 9/1/10 12:26 PM, Armando Neto wrote:
> >>>>>> OK
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Mauricio wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> YEAH!
> >>>>>>> My vote is GO FOR IT!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Fabricio C Zuardi
> >>>>>>> <fabr...@fabricio.org <mailto:fabr...@fabricio.org>

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Mauricio Zuardi

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Sep 1, 2010, 10:13:45 PM9/1/10
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To improve the URL retyping inconvenience, we could create some
embedable modules to
make the developer (and final user) lives less miserable:

• The QR code, as Fabricio commented
• URL shortener, as a voter suggested
• Tweet, mail or SMS the URL to a given address/number
• A "input channel code here" text field when u access the base URL

.. I think there's a perfect channel-pointing solution for every
sliceable app, but thinking as a infrastructure provider, we should
keep the possibilities as open as possible and let the developer have
the final word.






On 1 set, 22:11, Fabricio C Zuardi <fabri...@fabricio.org> wrote:
> Another judge! This time a positive review \o/
>
> Danny Coates (http://nodeknockout.com/people/54556b4c7d0906055d010000)
>
> "The multi-device/window web app is an interesting idea. The initial
> loading of the pages on multiple devices is a bit awkward, but you've
> got to start somewhere. This could be an awesome service if you nail
> that part. Great Work!"
>
> Utility:     3/5
> Design:      3/5
> Innovation:  4/5
> Completness: 3/5
>
> []s
>
> On 9/1/10 8:51 PM, Mauricio wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Unfortunately I suppose we are not up to the prizes after this last review.
> > But the project still interesting 4 me, so if u guys decide to continue
> > with it, count me in!
>

Fabricio C Zuardi

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Sep 2, 2010, 1:31:04 AM9/2/10
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One more:

Maya Powch ( http://nodeknockout.com/people/6b626b4c555e056e67040000 )

"The proposal to free the single screen and create sliceable apps is
very intriguing, but it seems abstract still! Can you give an example of
why this would be useful or cool? What kind of sites or UI elements
would want to be sliced? What kind of messages would these pages send to
each other? How would the user perceive them? Your front page showcases
the "slice me" icon, but it wasn't interactive. It would have been cool
to hold a demo in there. I tried the video demo on my iPhone 3GS and I
couldn't see anything. You could provide a short URL for ease of typing
into mobile. The site mentions that mobile devices (like my iPhone?)
work but then in the music demo page it mentions only an iPad. The music
demo page seems unfinished? I'm intrigued by your concept--you clearly
believe in it--but it is hard to see why! Show us!"

Utility: 1/5
Design: 2/5
Innovation: 3/5
Completness: 2/5

The ratings were bad :( but the comments were good :)

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On 9/1/10 11:13 PM, Mauricio Zuardi wrote:
> To improve the URL retyping inconvenience, we could create some
> embedable modules to
> make the developer (and final user) lives less miserable:
>

> � The QR code, as Fabricio commented
> � URL shortener, as a voter suggested
> � Tweet, mail or SMS the URL to a given address/number
> � A "input channel code here" text field when u access the base URL

Fabricio C Zuardi

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Sep 2, 2010, 3:27:33 AM9/2/10
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Our 6th review! And it is a good one :)

Dave Baggeroer (http://nodeknockout.com/people/f91f6a4ca173126f76120000)

"Overall, great concept. It was a bit difficult to figure out it out. I
really had to work for it. Maybe a quick video demo or screenshot
slideshow might help. I cut and paste the URL and sent it to my phone
from my laptop via email. Maybe you could do that for the user? Also,
the "slice" language and explanation didn't quite resonate... is there a
better metaphor that you could use? A list of example use cases might
help explain the big idea. Seems like it has lots of potential
applications. Really impressive work in 48 hours! Congrats!"

Utility: 3/5
Design: 3/5
Innovation: 4/5
Completness: 3/5

Fabricio C Zuardi

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Sep 2, 2010, 6:45:06 PM9/2/10
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7th expert judge!

Dion Almaer (http://nodeknockout.com/people/fa1f6a4c92d8016f761e0000)

"First we had Jaxer. Then we had node + dom. Now you have Detachable UI.
This is awesome work that could end up being incredibly useful!"

Utility: 4/5
Design: 4/5
Innovation: 5/5
Completness: 5/5

Only 1 hour left to go, and we are currently in the top5 of the
innovation category http://nodeknockout.com/teams#innovation !! Lets
hope we stay there for a little more :)

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Daniel Quirino Oliveira

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Sep 2, 2010, 10:04:50 PM9/2/10
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Getting such review from somebody like Dion Almaer is something we
need to be very proud of.

Now the competition is over, we have to keep improving our product.
But, so far, great work, buddies :)

Daniel Quirino Oliveira
http://nullability.org

>>>> • The QR code, as Fabricio commented
>>>> • URL shortener, as a voter suggested
>>>> • Tweet, mail or SMS the URL to a given address/number
>>>> • A "input channel code here" text field when u access the base URL

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