Prong collars

[Paul & Jane]

Simple question, are they a good thing, a bad thing or a very bad
thing indeed that should be banned?

Paul, Jane
Leksi & Rubi

[Chrissie Diron]

In this land, where these products are freely available still and often used, I have to say they are the most nasty bits of equipment ever designed to supposedly "control" a dog. They do nothing more than inflict pain and the dog learns to try and avoid that pain, it does not learn to walk nicely (take off the collar and you will see what you've taught - nothing - means the poor dog is doomed to that instrument of torture forever). Most people cannot/do not use them properly, so they are far too tight and/or they use jerking movements to correct the dog - very dangerous for the dog's neck. So many new and kinder methods out there to handle a powerful, exuberant dog - these things heighten aggressive responses. This article sums it up superbly and gives the opinions of several highly respected dog trainers/behaviourists, so it's not just my personal opinion: http://bigdogshugepaws.com/choke-prong-or-shock-collars

From Chrissie and the Vitali Vizslas

Independent Norwex Consultant
Kick the chemical habit - go green and be clean, naturally! 

www.vitalk9.ca
www.canine-health-concern.org.uk
www.aunaturelk9s.com

[Ros Leighton]

Amen Chrissie!

In this land they are banned from importation or manufacture. Sadly, a few people have somehow managed to sidestep the legislation by importing the prong collar in parts and ‘assembling’ it.

In my opinion, they are an instrument of punishment, and ... well, the article that Chrissie sent the link for says it all really. There are various shortcuts for adequate training – and almost all of them involved punishment of some sort. Poor old dog gets the short straw.

 

Thanks Chrissie.

 

Ros

[Paul & Jane]

It's a difficult one. I've been asked to help with a sponsorship deal,
and these are a large part of the guy's range. I was pretty shocked,
and might just keep well out of it. It will lose a substantial amount
of money, though, so I have to make a good case. :-(

[Ros Leighton]

Hmmm... the old conscience decisions. :)
Always the hard ones....

Only thing worse IMHO is electronic shock collars....

Good luck with the decision process Paul.
Cheers
Ros

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[Susie Zarpanely]

Fairly simple Paul they are illegal in this country! Or maybe not so simple if they are not on the agenda? I have seen them here but have been brought in for personal use.
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[kizvarda1]

There is no decision Paul as far as I am concerned. If you love dogs
then say "No" to prong collars.

I didn't hesitate to withdraw Digby from Stud when I found out he had
produced Polymyositis, believe me I have lost thousands of pounds, but
my conscience wouldn't allow me to carry on! Why do you have to "make
a good case"? Just tell the guy you don't do prong collars. Maybe he
will think twice about selling them and then you would have done a
really good thing too.

Lynn

On Jul 10, 11:09 pm, "Paul & Jane" <paulmcnul...@virginmedia.com>
wrote:

[Paul & Jane]

Interesting, Suzie. The company selling them are a UK business. Should
I be reporting them, an to whom?

They were going to be sponsoring a Porsche Club event with a fun dog
show, donating prizes etc. I was asked to organise it, but as soon as
I looked at their product range I was concerned. It's never easy to
turn down sponsorship in the £000s, and certainly not in the present
climate, but there's no way I'd want to give them the publicity so
we've pulled it. Just wanted to get some confirmation that it wasn't
just me being over-sensitive!

Thanks everyone,

Paul

On Jul 11, 6:40 pm, Susie Zarpanely <susiez...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Fairly simple Paul they are illegal in this country! Or maybe not so simple if they are not on the agenda? I have seen them here but have been brought in for personal use.
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[Paul & Jane]

Hi Lynn,

The reason I have to make a good case is that I'm the only person
involved who's a dog owner. Everyone else sees a sponsor who wants to
throw money around, and I have to show why they need to avoid this one
in particular. It's hard to run major events these days, and you have
to justify everything to a committee.

The easy way is to just cancel the fun dog show element of the event,
that way the company have nothing to sponsor and it all goes away. I
think that I might find there are too few bookings who've entered the
dog show, so I withdraw it without upsetting anyone. :-)

Paul

On Jul 11, 6:54 pm, kizvarda1 <royl...@kizvarda.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
Why do you have to "make
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> Lynn

[Ros Leighton]

Great solution Paul. Whilst we can make personal decisions based on our
particular 'special interest groups' it's often difficult to convince
others.

Cheers
Ros

-----Original Message-----
From: ukvi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:ukvi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Paul & Jane

Subject: Re: Prong collars

Hi Lynn,

The reason I have to make a good case is that I'm the only person
involved who's a dog owner. Everyone else sees a sponsor who wants to
throw money around, and I have to show why they need to avoid this one
in particular. It's hard to run major events these days, and you have
to justify everything to a committee.

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