homeopathy - vaccinations

[MackeyD vizslas]

Hi, I am new to this discussion group. I am collecting my new vizsla
addition in a few weeks! I have been told about the risks of
traditional vaccinations and boosters and have been recommended to
reseach the homeopathic alternatives. Has anyone used this method, or
know anything about it. I would be grateful for any advice or
opinion. My current vizsla has had the traditional vaccs, because she
needs to go to kennels occasionally. Thanks

[Radar & Rio Dorset Red Dogs]

Hi there (sorry don't know your name!)

There are two homeopathic alternatives:

1) A "Nosode" which is used instead of a vaccine & is specific to the
disease you want to prevent.
2) A "Tautode" which is developed using pharmaceutical vaccines.

I use a homeopathic “Tautode” for 10 days before they have their
vaccinations to protect them against adverse or allergic reactions of
the specific vaccine i.e. if your vet uses Nobivac vaccines then the
Tautode is specific to that brand! I get my tautodes from Freemans
Homeopathic Pharmacy (http://www.freemans.uk.com/index2.html) – the
pharmacist (Dr Kayne) is really helpful but you will need a
prescription or referral from your vet.

Hope this helps.

Juliet

[Chrissie Diron]

Thanks for that interesting link Juliet! I didn't know that anyone was producing tautodes for commercial drugs. This is good to know! I have to say that it should never be assumed that they will completely allay any harmful consequence of a vaccine, but the logic behind preparing the body energetically for the imminent assault is good. If you absolutely must vaccinate then it is very wise to try to minimise the impact and help the dog through it. 

For the original poster (sorry we don't know who you are?): yes, I have used homeopathic nosodes in a couple of situations. One was when we moved to Canada from the UK and the dogs were understandably subjected to stress from the move, the flight, the new climate, the new food source, etc. Stress weakens the immune system, which we assumed could lead to the dogs being overwhelmed by new strains of disease they might encounter here. To prepare them for that we used nosodes throughout the move and for a few months upon arrival. 

Normally nosodes work best in the face of a real threat, so prophylactic use is not the ideal way. They are not a replacement vaccine! What they do is help the body to recognise a threat by preparing it energetically, so if you feel your dog has been exposed to a particular disease, or know it has, then a nosode is a very viable way to treat and help the dog mount a positive response. 

So what you could do with your new pup is what we have just done with our new pup (who is now 11 months old): you could use nosodes to help familiarise his body with diseases he might encounter as his immune system is developing. When a pup is still growing his system is not fully operative, it's still learning and strengthening, hence young pups with no more protection from maternal antibodies, or old/health compromised dogs are really the only ones who are at risk from the common diseases. You do need to go slowly, carefully and fortify your pup throughout this vulnerable period. Whenever we went anywhere new with Hektor or felt he had been exposed to other environments or dogs that could potentially infect him, we would use the nosodes. So we were assuming he'd faced a new threat and were treating him homeopathically to recognise the threat. 

We were doing other things to strengthen his immune system the whole time, as you should never underestimate how vulnerable a youngster is (there are so many stresses on their young systems and so much to learn) but it is fully possible to safely raise a dog without vaccines. My Hektor is totally vaccine-free, and none of my other dogs have seen a vaccine since puppyhood, my old Pash titres high still some 11 years after his last vaccination. If you are interested in learning more about how to raise your dog vaccine-free then there is an excellent chat list you can join and I recommend you do, as there's more to it than just not vaccinating: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/jstsayno2vaccs/ You do have to proactively promote strong immune systems and all round good health - it's not an easier option, but I and many others have chosen to keep chemicals and toxins out of our dogs, where possible, and we're always happy to help others who are new to this. 

From Chrissie and the Vitali Vizslas

Independent Norwex Consultant
Kick the chemical habit - go green and be clean, naturally! 

www.vitalk9.ca
www.canine-health-concern.org.uk
www.aunaturelk9s.com

[Frogger]

Hi,
I don't think any homeopathic remedy can replace a vaccine
effectively. Please also research the risks of not vaccinating.
Puppies with parvo can be treated but don't always make it. Blood,
mucus and liquid poo poor out of their bums and they smell as if
something has died already. Distemper is very nasty and deadly but
not that common. Leptospirosis is much more common and also very
nasty. Is it really worth taking the risk of not vaccinating???

Anyway vaccines do follow the concept of homeopathy, you take a little
bit of what kills you to cure you!!! some may disagree with this
synopsis but it works for me!!!

Most vets follow a less intensive vaccine protocol these days as well,
after the primary vaccines and first year booster they then only
vaccinate against lepto yearly and distemper, adenovirus and parvo
every 3 years. Sometimes parainfluenza is also included, but its not
that effective if given by injection so its not really worth bothering
with unless it is given intranasally, ie with the kennel cough
vaccine.

Well, i hope you enjoy your new puppy, they soon remind you of how
nutty the young ones can be....


Alex

On Jan 3, 5:15 pm, MackeyD vizslas <amcdonald1...@aol.co.uk> wrote:

[MackeyD vizslas]

Hi,
What a great response - thank you all for the information. The puppy
has had most of the nosodes, I think there may be some more to
administer, so should be prepared for the forthcoming vaccines. From
the info supplied by various replies, I think I will probably go the
traditional vaccine route for the first year and then subsequent years
look at the alternatives.

Thanks everyone,
Amanda

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[Penny Waheed]

Hi
 
Agree with Alex. Realise Chrissie has had a bad experience with vaccines and know that there is a lot of anecdotal evidence for Vizsla reacting badly to vaccines but think the alternatives are much worse. Great if you live somewhere remote without other dogs or rats but perhaps not very practical if you don't and have to put your dogs in kennels sometimes.
 
Penny

 
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[Glyn Austin]

Hi

This article may be helpful. My understanding of the science is that increasingly there is little (if any) evidence that homeopathic medicines actually work.
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/political-science/2011/jan/05/homeopathy-ban-prescription-pets 
 
Glyn

 
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[Vicky Martin]

Hi Amanda,

We did the first lot of vaccinations and now I'm wanting to do the
nosodes, although I think as my gang are on the Shoot, the Lepto is
necessary as I hear of more deaths from Lepto than anything else.

Don't be too worried about who would take a nosode dosed dog though,
we accept titer tests (up to 3yrs from date of titer test) as an
alternative to vaccination cards so I'm sure other home boarding and
kennel businesses may do the same.

Enjoy your baby, it all goes sooo fast and before you know it,they are
all growed up!

Vicky x

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[Susie Zarpanely]

Hi All
 
Just to add a little bit to the conversation! I have used homeopathy for a number of conditions but I am no expert. I can assure you that, from observation, homeopathy does work in most cases, just as allopathic medication works in most cases. There will always be  some instances where either will fail or one will succeed where another fails. That is why doctors will change from one drug to another. At least with homeopathic remedies there are few if any adverse side effects. My Labrador suffered from panosteoitis as a 6 month puppy. Conventional medication would have taken 6 months. I used calc flor, he was sound in 3 weeks. He was vaccinated until he was 6 years old, titre tested at 9 then noseodes for kennelling after that. We live by a river so he did have a conventional lepto twice  after that. He became lame again through early onset arthritis at 6 but with homeopathic support he 'picked up' and exercised the same as all the others until he was 11. Yes he was lame but the remedies helped far better than the anti-inflammatory drugs without the risk to his stomach. He died just before his 12th birthday.
I would always give a complete primary course then make the decision as to which road to follow
 
Happy new year to all
 
Susie

 

 
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[Lou & Dizzy]

My godmother used homeopathic vaccinations but now used traditional
ones after her dog contracted parvo, so to me it's not worth the risk

Lou & Dizzy