strange behaviour

[Donna Lenton]

My 11 month old viszla is behaing very strangely this evening and I'm getting increasingly concerned...

 

We went out on the New Forest Viz Whizz today and Dex had a fantastic time, was very happy before we left and happy but worn out in the car coming home.

 

on returning home he seemed fine , ate some lunch and settled on his bed with my daughter for a cuddle. After 10 mins or so he jumped in the air as a fly had landed on his rear, it didn't get off immediately and I brushed it off but he continued to snap where it had been. Since then ( some 8 hours )he hasn't really settled , he has hidden in numerous places , can't be coaxed out and will not go in the conservatory where it took place. I have been trying not to fuss and reinforce his feelings but he won't play or even come  for a cuddle...

there has been a period of about ten minutes after he saw our neighbours dog over the fence when he perked up but apart from that he has been cowering and shaking and generally looking scared since lunch...

 

he hasn't shown any signs of this before this week, twice earlier in the week he has been bothered by flies but both times a quick ball game and it was forgotten.

 

He is certainly tired and has now retreated to his crate but isn't really settled still...

 

googling 'strange behaviour' wasn't a good idea- I'm now as worried as he is!....any thoughts?

 

Donna

 

[Elaine Bradley]

Hi Donna

 

I hope your puppy is improved this morning, if not, I would strongly urge you to get him to the vets asap for a check up.  As this behaviour has started after your trip to the New Forest it may be that he has a) picked something up and eaten it or b) has been bitten by something (ticks, etc).

 

I don't want to worry you and it may be that he was just overtired after the fun of the day and didn't know what to do with himself (aching muscles and stuff like that) but if he was mine I would want him checked as soon as possible, better safe than sorry.

 

Give us an update when you have a chance.

 

Best wishes

Elaine

Highforce Hungarian Vizsla, UK

www.freewebs.com/highforce

 

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[Penny Simpson]

Hi

At this time of the year I am constantly asked by people I have sold puppies to as to why their young dogs suddenly start going wild in the evenings when they have had a great day out and should now be tired

this time of the year the nettles are very sharp.  Often it is in the evening when the 'itch' really starts, just think how you feel when you have been nettle stung and relate that to someone running through nettles as tall as they are.

I always carry junior Piriton in the car and in the house with a syringe,  5 ml takes away all the symptoms within an hour It is a lot cheaper than the vet and works wonders. I also give it to my dogs if they have been stung or bitten by midges etc

If the symptoms don't go away or get worse then of course the vet but try thinking where and what he has been doing when out and often the solution is a very simple and practical one.

Penny

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[Elaine Bradley]

The thought about nettles also crossed my mind Penny.  My Lulu is particularly sensitive to this and goes potty all of a sudden usually half-an-hour or so after getting back from exercise (walk or working whatever she happens to have been doing), she will run around like mad, up and downstairs, throw herself on the sofa, shake her feet like she's trying to flick something off them and sometimes lick and bite at her feet when its really bad, I always give her a Clarityn (loratadine) tablet (10mg) which is another antihistamine and unlike piriton is non-drowsy and find within 10 minutes of giving a tablet it is beginning to work and the symptoms are subsiding!

 

However, the reaction of this pup sounds different and what concerns me was the snapping at the air and the cowering and shaking, which doesn't sound like a typical "allergic" type reaction which is why I feel that if the problem hasn't subsided by this morning, or recurs then a visit to the vet would be advisable, if for no other reason than for the vet to reassure the owners that there is nothing more serious going on, better to be safe than sorry or leave something too late!

 

Elaine

[Helga Root]

Hi Donna

I agree entirely with Elaine re getting him checked out and do let us know how you get on.  But try not to worry too much at this stage as you may inadvertently pass on your anxiety to Dex, they really do ‘home’ in on our emotions especially some very ‘sensitive’ Viz.  I too have a boy that ‘hates’ flies and has a few strange minutes of jumping out of the away of imaginary attacks from a fly that has long gone.  I have always put it down to when he was a young pup and was stung by a wasp, so now he hates anything flying near him.  He also licks the landing site for a while after an insect just to make sure there is no sting I think!   Is it possible that Dex was bitten by a horse fly or something similar when he was on the Viz Wiz, but no one saw it and now he is manifestling the same kind of retrospective fear / anxiety of another attack, like my lad still does and he is now 3.5 yrs old!

 

Hoping he has recovered today and that all is now well.

 

Helgs

 

 

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[Helga Root]

 

Hi

Great advice Penny!  I never thought of nettle rash or other histamine response and also use Piriteze when my dogs are stung or have sore belly rash from the grass pollens etc.  I give just half a tablet mixed in a bit of cheese (have another piece in view so they bolt down the first to get the second!) and it works wonders.  

Helgs

 

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[Boris]

Living in the Forest there are very few, if any ticks, around yet.
Boris

On May 16, 11:09 am, "Helga Root" <h...@root7.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Great advice Penny!  I never thought of nettle rash or other histamine
> response and also use Piriteze when my dogs are stung or have sore belly
> rash from the grass pollens etc.  I give just half a tablet mixed in a bit
> of cheese (have another piece in view so they bolt down the first to get the
> second!) and it works wonders.  
>
> Helgs
>
>   _____  
>

> From: ukvi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:ukvi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Penny Simpson
> Sent: 16 May 2011 10:03
> To: ukvi...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: strange behaviour
>
> Hi
>
> At this time of the year I am constantly asked by people I have sold puppies
> to as to why their young dogs suddenly start going wild in the evenings when
> they have had a great day out and should now be tired
>
> this time of the year the nettles are very sharp.  Often it is in the
> evening when the 'itch' really starts, just think how you feel when you have
> been nettle stung and relate that to someone running through nettles as tall
> as they are.
>
> I always carry junior Piriton in the car and in the house with a syringe,  5
> ml takes away all the symptoms within an hour It is a lot cheaper than the
> vet and works wonders. I also give it to my dogs if they have been stung or
> bitten by midges etc
>
> If the symptoms don't go away or get worse then of course the vet but try
> thinking where and what he has been doing when out and often the solution is
> a very simple and practical one.
>
> Penny
>

> <mailto:ukvizsla%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com> .
> For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/ukvizsla?hl=en.

[Elaine Bradley]

Boris

Whilst ticks "quieten down" during the colder weather, with the more recent
warm weather they are likely to be active and ultimately it would only take
one tick to bite dog or human to cause a problem so you can never dismiss
something totally until proven otherwise - all possibilities need to be
considered!!

Elaine

[Donna Lenton]

Thanks for you thoughts...Dexter is better today but far from himself so we
are off to the vets now..will keep you posted. Boris, we're in the forest
too and removing ticks has been a near daily occurence in the last few
weeks..maybe he tastes particularly good...?

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Subject: Re: strange behaviour

[Susie Zarpanely]

Penny et al!
 
Another very effective remedy for nettles etc without using chemicals is cold tea. Pads noses and tummies though I don't normally carry tea bags with me until the Autumn!
 
Susie
 

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[Susie Zarpanely]

Hi Boris
 
Watch out the ticks will be coming your way soon! We have had none here since the early ones in February. This week however, I have had 3 attached and removed another 4 on their way all within 5 days! Double garlic for my lot
 
Susie
 
> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 05:35:40 -0700
> Subject: Re: strange behaviour
> From: slimmac...@aol.com
> To: ukvi...@googlegroups.com

[Vicky Martin]

5mg garlic capsule, daily. That stops my guys picking up ticks in the woods (we have Fallow and Muntjac everywhere here!) and as those who use garlic know, no need for nasty chemical flea pipettes either. 

Vicky  

To The Manor Bourne

www.tothemanorbourne.com

Sent from my iPhone 

[Helga Root]

Hi Elaine
Yes, you are right, for the first time ever I had to take a tick off one of
my Boyz this March! I didn't do a very good job either so has anyone got a
good 'tick remover' they can advise please?
Helgs

[Radar & Rio Dorset Red Dogs]

Hi Donna

I'm so sorry to hear about Dex & do hope that he's showing some
improvement now - what a grotty thing to happen after having such a
great time.

Like Elaine said, it may be that he was just over tired but, if he's
not improving, it's definitely important to get him checked over by
your vet...just in case.

I don't think nettles would be the culprits in Dex's case as there are
very few in the forest area that we were walking in. I wonder if it
could have been the young ferns - I've had several dogs who've had a
reaction to them, though usually (as with nettles) this takes the form
of a reddish rash & welts. There were also a lot of horse flies
around, particularly near the stream?

Ticks are obviously something to be aware of...nasty, yucky, little
things! Sorry Boris, but they are definitely on the increase in the
forest now - I've had 3...on me, not the dogs! Both my boys have
garlic in the diet every day, plus, I spray them with Neem prior to
every forest walk...perhaps I ought to spray myself too!

Do keep us in touch with how Dex is getting on...give him big hugs
from us...& licks from Radar & Rio.

Juliet

On May 16, 5:07 pm, Susie Zarpanely <susiez...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Boris
>
> Watch out the ticks will be coming your way soon! We have had none here since the early ones in February. This week however, I have had 3 attached and removed another 4 on their way all within 5 days! Double garlic for my lot
>
> Susie
>
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 05:35:40 -0700
> > Subject: Re: strange behaviour

> > From: slimmacdonn...@aol.com

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[Paula]

Hi Donna

I would imagine that he's picked up a crab fly, they are only found in
the New Forest and Kodi who was also on the walk is totally
traumatised when he picks one up. They tend to skuttle around their
backs sideways - like crabs ! Once he has his first one each summer
after that its really difficult to walk him on warm days as all he
does is stand there and stare at his bum, even when there are none
around. He's much better if we walk him early in the morning and in
the evening. The behaviour that you mention is just typical of what
Kodi does, he picked one up earlier this week and hid in the corner of
the summer house for hours. He won't accept a treat or eat a meal for
the rest of the day.
I'm trying different sprays to see if they help, at the moment I have
a 'natural flea and tick spray' from Barrier Animal Healthcare and a
friend who's dog also isn't happy with them mentioned a garlic spray
as well that they use.
Its funny as on the horses they tend to congregate round the private
parts and if I lift my horses tail he may have 10 or more hiding there
and he doesn't react at all, but once they move onto their body he's
really unhappy with them too.
So the benefits of living in the forest and all our lovely walks are
outwayed in the summer if you have a do that is traumatised by them -
I've seen other dogs that don't react at all.

Paula

On May 16, 7:58 pm, Vicky Martin <recuerdo2...@aol.com> wrote:
> 5mg garlic capsule, daily. That stops my guys picking up ticks in the woods (we have Fallow and Muntjac everywhere here!) and as those who use garlic know, no need for nasty chemical flea pipettes either.
>
> Vicky  
>
> To The Manor Bournewww.tothemanorbourne.com
> Sent from my iPhone
>

> On 16 May 2011, at 17:07, Susie Zarpanely <susiez...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Boris
>
> > Watch out the ticks will be coming your way soon! We have had none here since the early ones in February. This week however, I have had 3 attached and removed another 4 on their way all within 5 days! Double garlic for my lot
>
> > Susie
>
> > > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 05:35:40 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: strange behaviour

> > > From: slimmacdonn...@aol.com

[sqd...@me.com]

We use otom picks to get rid of ticks. You can find out more about
them on www.otom.com.
We've been using them for years and they have been very successful for
us.
Best wishes

Suzie (Ella, Alice & William)

[lyndylou]

Good Morning everyone,
Talking of garlic, what capsules are the best?? I've often thought of
giving them to my elder dog who is 3 1/2 but always thought garlic
could cause some sort of anaemia. Also would it be O.K. for the baby
(of the vizsla variety) who is nearly 6 months? She has just started
walking again, after a broken toe, and the thought of them picking up
ticks fill me with dread, as I just wouldn't know how to get them
off!! So far we have been lucky and have never had any.

Lynn

On May 16, 7:58 pm, Vicky Martin <recuerdo2...@aol.com> wrote:

> 5mg garlic capsule, daily. That stops my guys picking up ticks in the woods (we have Fallow and Muntjac everywhere here!) and as those who use garlic know, no need for nasty chemical flea pipettes either.
>
> Vicky  
>
> To The Manor Bournewww.tothemanorbourne.com
> Sent from my iPhone
>

> On 16 May 2011, at 17:07, Susie Zarpanely <susiez...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi Boris
>
> > Watch out the ticks will be coming your way soon! We have had none here since the early ones in February. This week however, I have had 3 attached and removed another 4 on their way all within 5 days! Double garlic for my lot
>
> > Susie
>
> > > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 05:35:40 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: strange behaviour

> > > From: slimmacdonn...@aol.com

[Radar & Rio Dorset Red Dogs]

Hi Helgs

I've used those little green tick twister fork type things! But I've
also got one called a Trix Tick Lasso which is pretty good -
particularly if you ever have to remove one from a very sensitive area
on the human body...as my son-in-law discovered - adminstered by
daughter not me I hasten to add! I've got a spare Lasso - if you'd
like it send me your address...!

The other brilliant things for detaching ticks is a quick spray of
either garlic oil or Neem...they drop off immediately!

Juliet x

[Radar & Rio Dorset Red Dogs]

Hi Paula

Wow...I knew that Kodi didn't like flies but never realised (or even
heard of) it was the crab fly...I must Google it to see what it looks
like!

Juliet x

[Boris]

Elaine
You misunderstand me, I live in the Forest and there are few if any
ticks around at the moment [May] but will expect a mega infestation
next month. All my boys have had them and the smoothhaired are
obviously more vunerable with Wired where they target mainly the nose
Boris

On May 16, 6:06 pm, "Elaine Bradley" <highforce.gund...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

[Boris]

http://www.tickremoval.co.uk/tickremovalshop.html?gclid=CIzzu82A76gCFVeMzAodDG28EQ
I find that a very tiny drop of vodka or gin will cause them to come
out easier and not leave any of the claspers which can become septic.
Boris

[Helga Root]

Hi Suzie
Thank you, love the fact that the website has videos showing you exactly how
to use the product properly on both animals and humans! Have ordered it
from Amazon and for a pack of two it was only £2.95. Will put the info on
the North West Viz Wizz blog and Facebook page as well to help other Viz
folk!
Regards

[Boris]

While you Google look at Lymes Desease which can be fatal or extremely
painful to humans
Boris

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[Paula]

Hi Juliet

I don't know if this link to an image works. Yucky little critters, I
don't think they actually bite but the dogs and horses don't like the
sensation of them skuttling across their bodies.No better sensation
that squashing them between your fingers. Funnily enouh I saw that Rio
had one on his bum at one point on Sunday but wasn't taking any notice
of it.

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://farm1.static.flickr.com/23/40786657_3e38c29b8a.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.flickr.com/photos/15543444%40N00/40786657/&usg=_

Paula

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[Elaine Bradley]

No Boris, I didn't misunderstand you at all, there was nothing to
misunderstand. You said there were "few if any" ticks in the NF at the
moment, I presume this was in response to my original comment about the
possibility of Dexter being bitten by a tick, which may lead to humans or
dogs developing Lymes disease. As you stated in another post, this can be
fatal to humans, believe me it can also be fatal to dogs, hence the need to
diagnose and commence treatment asap if it occurs and hence my comments!

My point was to underline the fact that it would only take one tick to
potentially cause a problem, so whether there are few or thousands around at
them moment it was something I felt needed to be brought to attention
bearing in mind the strange/unusual behaviour that the puppy was exhibiting.

Others have subsequently confirmed that both their dogs and themselves have
already experienced ticks attaching themselves down in the NF as early as
March this year, so my comment is very relevant and I still !!

Elaine

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[Elaine Bradley]

Using alcohol (be it vodka, gin or surgical spirit, etc) or smothering them
with petroleum jelly can lead to the tick disgorging back into the skin
(either animal or human) before it releases its jaws/legs, this can then
lead to an increased risk of infection. It is better to remove the tick
using tweezers to lever the ticks legs/mouth from the skin (without
squeezing the tick) or an appropriate tool and then bathing the area it has
been removed from with tea tree lotion or antiseptic of some nature.

http://www.lymediseaseaction.org.uk/information/tick_removal.htm

Suggest using an appropriate tool and saving the vodka/gin for a pick-me-up
for yourself after removing the horrid creatures!!!

Elaine

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[Helga Root]

Thanks Juliet but have just ordered the O Tom little green fork things as I
watched the video on the site and they look really good. Poor son in law!!

Helgs x

[Elaine Bradley]

I'd say poor daughter Helgs LOL!!!!

Elaine x

[Helga Root]

Oh yes, agree! Lol!!

[sqd...@me.com]

Hope you like them as much as we do Helgs!! Prior to our discovery of
these things, the dogs used to run away when we tried to get ticks off
them, but using these things, they really don't notice. Even our Alice
(who is not brave about anything like toe nail clipping or tick
removal) isn't bothered about tick removal with this gadget. The
really great thing is that it's almost impossible to do it wrong and
the vile ticks pop out still sort of contained in the hook so you can
dispose of them and they don't scuttle off!!

Best wishes

Suzie & Ella, Alice & William.x.

[Donna Lenton]

Just a few words of thanks for the wealth of information following my
initial posting!

Dexter now appears fine...we went to the vets yesterday as although the
'jumpy' behaviour had stopped he still looked very sorry for himself and
'not right' . Obviously on arrival at the surgery he perked up no end ,
cocked his leg up the waiting room wall and ate every treat offered to hime
with relish!
The vet prescribed 'zylkene' for a few days and for possible future 'nervy'
episodes. which I haven't felt the need to give him yet but i guess it's
here for the future. He also cleared out his glands ( you know which ones!)
which were very full it seems and that may have been contributing to his
discomfort (and perhaps to the interest of the flies). He was still sleepy
last night but enjoyed his walk, has eaten normally since and today appears
completely back to his usual high energy self.

with regard to ticks, he's pick up lots already this year and from lots of
different places , I'd given up and resigned myself to a body check after
every walk ( i've got one of those green twisty things and throughly
recommend it!). As has been said it's the price we pay for living somewhere
with such lovely places to walk. However , it appears garlic is worth a try
and I thank you for that!

I shall be looking out for crab flies ...fingers crossed it won't happen
again but he is a vizsla!

Certainly won't put us off attending the next NF Viz Whizz, as far as he's
concerned there is nothing better! Huge thanks to Juliet for setting it up!

Vizsla owners really do appear to be a sound bunch..but we have to be I
guess to balance out our crazy dogs,
much love to all,
Donna and Dex

btw: next time he's ill am going to try throwing �50 out of a window and see
if that does it..feels like it might!

[Radar & Rio Dorset Red Dogs]

Hi Elaine - well said...spot on! As I know all too well from my
rheumatology years...Lyme Disease is a horrendous disease & so easily
can be fatal if untreated...so come on folks get your tick twisters,
garlic oil, Neem etc out...better safe than sorry! Personally I'll
keep the gin for my hip flask :)

Hi Paula...yukky little critters indeed - I'm glad I didn't notice the
one on Rio. Mind you I doubt he would've noticed...he was "in the
zone" & far too interested in that lovely, smelly little bitch to
notice anything else...naughty boy!

Juliet

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[Radar & Rio Dorset Red Dogs]

Hi Lynn

You can buy the human variety garlic capsules from any health food
shop & either give them whole or squeeze them over their food.
Personally I use a garlic oil spray which I get from Dorwest Herbs
(you can buy it online) - I just spray it (or Neem Pet Guard from Neem
Genie) on & under their chests & down their shoulder blades.

Hope that helps.

Juliet

[Radar & Rio Dorset Red Dogs]

You're right Suzie...they just seem wedged in the hook...perfect for
popping on some loo paper & dropping down the loo with a hefty dose of
bleach!!

Juliet

[Radar & Rio Dorset Red Dogs]

That's such good news Donna - maybe it was "just" his anal glands
after all!

I'm so glad this episode hasn't put you off whizzes...here's to the
next one!

Juliet x

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Lynn
I use minced garlic from Sainsbury or Schwartz about 1/8 of a teaspoon sprinkled on their food, right from puppies ready to go out!
Susie
 
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 04:05:23 -0700
> Subject: Re: strange behaviour
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[Vicky Martin]

Funny you should mention anal glands! One of my last litter was being very weird a few months ago and that turned out to be full anal glands, bless her. I've never needed any of my dogs glands sorting in the last 12yrs So never think about them.

Vicky

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[Vicky Martin]

I buy our 5mg capsules from Tesco usually. We have a hedgehog in the garden but mine still don't catch fleas off the wee beasty!! Garlic is fab stuff but I don't give it to Doberman clients incase of VW disease. 

Vicky 

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[Skipper]

Our Rufus had a tick on his head from Sundays walk in the forest. I
found the kids old nit comb it was really effective by just gently
prizing the teeth of the comb under the tick it was off in a second
legs as well intact. It didn't even leave a mark just an idea if you
cannot lay your hands on a specialist tool! Needless to say my teenage
son who "assisted" has mocked me for posting this !


On May 17, 2:36 pm, "Elaine Bradley" <highforce.gund...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

> Using alcohol (be it vodka, gin or surgical spirit, etc) or smothering them
> with petroleum jelly can lead to the tick disgorging back into the skin
> (either animal or human) before it releases its jaws/legs, this can then
> lead to an increased risk of infection.  It is better to remove the tick
> using tweezers to lever the ticks legs/mouth from the skin (without
> squeezing the tick) or an appropriate tool and then bathing the area it has
> been removed from with tea tree lotion or antiseptic of some nature.
>
> http://www.lymediseaseaction.org.uk/information/tick_removal.htm
>
> Suggest using an appropriate tool and saving the vodka/gin for a pick-me-up
> for yourself after removing the horrid creatures!!!
>

> Elaine----- Original Message -----

> From: "Boris" <slimmacdonn...@aol.com>
> To: "ukvizsla" <ukvi...@googlegroups.com>

> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:44 PM
> Subject: Re: strange behaviour
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[Boris]

You should make sure that the tick does not live for another
attachment by squashing it or putting in a fire.
Of course they will eventually drop off once fully gourged with
blood............

Bad breath Boris who eats Garlic

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