azerty keyboard layout missing a button

[Mike Neirinck]

Hi everyone

I was just trying to create a new keyboard layout because the belgian logitech layout was missing a button. Problem is that even with changing keyboard type I cannot find a fitting layout. 

This is the problem: the belgian keyboard layout has 11 buttons between the two shifts. The available keyboard types on ukelele only have ten.

Does anyone know how I can activate this button (containing bigger than, smaller than and backslash)? Backslash is enormously important in swift....

Tx

[Sorin Paliga]

The Apple way of solving this issue os the following:

– in Europe, they sell physical ISO extended keyboard, i.e. with that extra eleventh key left to W on the AZERTY keyboard (it is Z on a QWERTY keyboard, and Y on a QWERTZ keyboard).

– in U.S. they sell the standard American keyboard, without that key. In this case, what you have on that key on the EU ISO keyboard is moved to the key left to 1, i.e. the one having superscript 2 and 3 in your link; and that key vanishes.

That is why the char on that key is usually repeated somewhere else, i.e. superscript 2 and 3 should be available somewhere else if you press option = alt key.

Now, my question is: if you activate Keyboard Viewer, and press option = alt key, don’t you have all you need? Those chars should be on the key left to & and 1, even if not marked on the physical keyboard, but they are achieved when pressing that key. Give a try.

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[John Brownie]

On 7/02/2015 5:41, Mike Neirinck wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> I was just trying to create a new keyboard layout because the belgian
> logitech layout was missing a button. Problem is that even with changing
> keyboard type I cannot find a fitting layout.
> This is the problem: the belgian keyboard layout

> <http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/AZERTY#mediaviewer/File:Belgian_keyboard_layout.png>

> has 11 buttons between the two shifts. The available keyboard types on
> ukelele only have ten.
> Does anyone know how I can activate this button (containing bigger than,
> smaller than and backslash)? Backslash is enormously important in swift....

Use the Inspector window and press the key you want, and you should be
able to see what key code it generates. Then you can change the output
by using the key code.

John
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[Geke]

Hi Mike,

I'm not quite sure what your problem is, so I'm going to guess. Please bear with me…

Keyboard layouts, also the Belgian Logitech layout, do have definitions for the "11th key", the one next to the left Shift button.
So I don't think there is a need to create your own layout for ISO keyboards.

To make the definition for that key visible in Ukelele, you have to select the correct Keyboard Type. It seems you have already tried all the Keyboard Types on the list but forgot the little Coding menu on the right: ANSI / ISO / JIS.
You can, for example, select Keyboard Type "USB Pro Keyboard" and "ISO" and you should see the missing key appear miraculously.

Good luck and keep us posted about your success!

[Sorin Paliga]

My guess was he did not know that the chars right to the left shift key on an ISO keyboard are moved to the key left to 1 on a U.S. keyboard.

I do not know what happens with superscript 2 and 3 in this latter case, are they repeated somewhere? This does not seem to be a mandatory change, superscript 2 and 3 may be achieved anyway.

[Mike Neirinck]

Thank you all!

I have appreciated all of your posts. Going the ISO instead of ANSI way was the easiest. I still had some problems. I had saved the iso version of belgian keyboard layout in ukelele and selected it as input source in the last tab of keyboards . Nothing happened though. Changing the keyboard type in the first tab of keyboards to ISO turned out to be the game saver. I am truly thankful to you guys.

[Sorin Paliga]

Note that changing the keyboard type does not change anything in the keylayout file itself, it is just a problem of display, i.e. an attempt to show the user what he/she may see and associate this as much as possible with the file.

Also note that what you see on the physical keyboard may be entirely different from what you get when typing. As an extreme example, change the keylayout to any Cyrillic keylayout or Korean, and it is clear what I mean.

On 08 Feb 2015, at 06:45, Mike Neirinck <mikene...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you all!

I have appreciated all of your posts. Going the ISO instead of ANSI way was the easiest. I still had some problems. I had saved the iso version of belgian keyboard layout in ukelele and selected it as input source in the last tab of keyboards . Nothing happened though. Changing the keyboard type in the first tab of keyboards to ISO turned out to be the game saver. I am truly thankful to you guys.

[Tom Gewecke]

On Feb 8, 2015, at 12:04 AM, Sorin Paliga wrote:

> Note that changing the keyboard type does not change anything in the keylayout file itself, it is just a problem of display,

It sounds to me like Mike's machine actually was not recognizing that his hardware keyboard was ISO, and he was able to fix that by using the Keyboard Type setting which sometimes will be available in system preferences/keyboard/keyboard.

[Sorin Paliga]

Maybe, if a non-Apple keyboard, this is possible. Nevertheless, any time you plug a non-Apple USB keyboard or connect via BT, the first step is represented by two successive widgets asking for details and asking to press the two keys close to the left and right shift keys, this is sufficient to identify what type of keyboard it is.
Of course, I do not know whether this works in all the instances.