Dead key + Apostrophe

[Guillermo Urbina Valdés]

Hello everyone,

I'm hoping you can help me with this. I currently use a custom layout to type in English, Spanish and French (physical keyboard is US). I've been using it for a while and I absolutely love it. My main use is the apostrophe as a dead key for accent marks. I'll explain it below:

The way it works is:

'  followed by a vowel = accented vowel (e.g. é)

' followed by a consonant or the space bar = apostrophe (e.g. words like don't)

However, unlike in the US or UK layouts that come with the system, it doesn't replace it with typographical apostrophes when I type in some programs. Specifically, I would like it to type "don’t" instead of "don't". Is there a way to achieve this?

Thank you!

[Sorin Paliga]

AFAIK, this is achieved by the settings within the app, i.e. to replace straight quotes by a typographic, or smart, quote. This is usually located in the area ‘auto-correct’. 

You may also use WordService in the Services area as attached.

As I abhor such auto-corrections, sometimes they are not useful, I have simply created a custom keylayout with ‘ and ’ at the option and option-shift-level. I may thus insert typographic (or smart) quotes manually.

On 4 Sep 2024, at 16:23, Guillermo Urbina Valdés <gurb...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello everyone,

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[Gé van Gasteren]

Hi Guillermo,

Maybe the ‘smart quotes routine’ in certain apps doesn’t work for this kind of use – Tom may know more about that.

Could you mention which applications?

If I understand your situation properly, you can make the behavior app-independent by changing the "terminator" for your dead-key definition.

Right-click on the apostrophe/quote key to get the following drop-down menu and choose Change Terminator:

In the following dialog box, enter the typographic version: ’

Obviously, now you’ll need to put the "dumb quote" version ' somewhere on your keyboard.

Because, how else are you going to type ‘opening quotes’, the minutes in geographical coordinates, etc.

I have put that ' on the backslash key (U.S. layout) as I never use that, but that’s just my solution.

Let us know how you fare!

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[David J. Perry]

I believe that Sorin is right that it's the app, not the OS, that handles smart quotes.

That said, you could set your custom keyboard to output a right-facing curly quote, rather than a straight apostrophe, since it has a Unicode value (U+2019 in the General Punctuation range).  The only issue would be that single quotes are occasionally used at the beginning of a word: e.g., 'smith' originally referred to a blacksmith.  As long as that's not an issue for you, you should be OK. 

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[Sorin Paliga]

To add that the smart quotes may be replaced later via Word Service, and vice-versa: smart quotes by straight quotes.

On 4 Sep 2024, at 23:47, 'David J. Perry' via Ukelele Users <ukelel...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I believe that Sorin is right that it's the app, not the OS, that handles smart quotes.

That said, you could set your custom keyboard to output a right-facing curly quote, rather than a straight apostrophe, since it has a Unicode value (U+2019 in the General Punctuation range).  The only issue would be that single quotes are occasionally used at the beginning of a word: e.g., 'smith' originally referred to a blacksmith.  As long as that's not an issue for you, you should be OK. 

On 9/4/2024 4:27 PM, Sorin Paliga wrote:

AFAIK, this is achieved by the settings within the app, i.e. to replace straight quotes by a typographic, or smart, quote. This is usually located in the area ‘auto-correct’. 

You may also use WordService in the Services area as attached.

As I abhor such auto-corrections, sometimes they are not useful, I have simply created a custom keylayout with ‘ and ’ at the option and option-shift-level. I may thus insert typographic (or smart) quotes manually.

On 4 Sep 2024, at 16:23, Guillermo Urbina Valdés <gurb...@gmail.com> wrote:

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I'm hoping you can help me with this. I currently use a custom layout to type in English, Spanish and French (physical keyboard is US). I've been using it for a while and I absolutely love it. My main use is the apostrophe as a dead key for accent marks. I'll explain it below:

The way it works is:

'  followed by a vowel = accented vowel (e.g. é)

' followed by a consonant or the space bar = apostrophe (e.g. words like don't)

However, unlike in the US or UK layouts that come with the system, it doesn't replace it with typographical apostrophes when I type in some programs. Specifically, I would like it to type "don’t" instead of "don't". Is there a way to achieve this?

Thank you!

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