Portuguese keyboard layout

[Nikki Rixon]

Hi all I just bought a hp wireless 160 keyboard to use with my imac but am having trouble with the layout not working 100%. This is the keyboard

The ukelele app seems complicated to me and I dont understand how to apply it. please can someone tell me if there is a portuguese template or something to map the above keyboard correctlYÇ_

[John Brownie]

The first thing to say is that you need to distinguish what you see on screen and what the keyboard layout actually does. Since you have a non-Apple keyboard, you need to look for a keyboard type that is close to what you want. Since there is a key between shift and z, you have an ISO type. Go to the View Menu and choose Keyboard Type. USB Pro might be fairly close to what you have.

Second, it’s a Windows keyboard, so the Windows keys and Alt Gr keys may map to something different. In Ukelele, try pressing them to see what keys are shown as being pressed.

Finally, Apple’s Portuguese keyboard layout seems close to what you want, so I would start from it and make changes (activate it, then create the keyboard layout from the current keyboard input source). The keys to the right of ç seem to be different, and probably some others. Once you work out where you need to make changes, have a look at the tutorials to get an idea of how to make the changes you want.

Keep asking if you get stuck. If you can’t get something to work, let us know what you tried, what happened, and what you expected to happen, and we will have more chance of helping.

John (developer of Ukelele)

[Tom]

By chance I made a Portuguese pc layout a couple years ago which might work for you

https://m10lmac.blogspot.com/2020/08/macos-portuguese-pc-keyboard-layout.html

[Jose Mendes]

Many thanks for the information and the keyboard layout Tom.

[Sorin Paliga]

I once wrote, and posted here, a quite long explanation regarding the difference(s) between a keyboard layout (keylayout) and the physical keyboard. They are identical ONLY if the physical keyboard is bought in a given country and the associated (standard or default) keylayout is the same. If people buy a mac in France, for example, they will surely get an AZERTY keylayout manufactured for France, and the default keylayout, suggested by the system when activating the mac, will be French (standard), with options for French - Numerical and French PC. As I cannot remember the very specific locations of many chars, I once created my own keylayout for French (with UKELELE, of course!)

In ALL THE OTHER CASES there may be differences, some of them radical or very important, even if we refer to languages based on the Latin alphabet, e.g. Czech v. U.S.

On the other hand, one may use any physical keyboard and activate, say, Korean as the main keylayout. Of course, NONE of the chars will have a direct correspondence between the keylayout and the physical keyboard (well, none of the chars, but numbers are on the same keys like US.) I referred to Korean as I once tried to learn the Korean alphabet, and had to remember where the Korean chars are located on a U.S. QWERTY physical keyboard. With some practice (a couple of days) this is entirely feasible. Anybody can use Cyrillic and, if accustomed to the U.S.-based QWERTY physical keyboard, then Russian Phonetic is closest and easiest to remember, also with some practice, of course.

Perhaps such a note should be inserted in the manual, maybe at the very beginning. I find that many questions refer to this detail, not to issues related to keylayouts proper.

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[Gé van Gasteren]

On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 11:21 AM Jose Mendes <jjm...@gmail.com> wrote:

Many thanks for the information and the keyboard layout Tom.

 

It’s Sunday afternoon, so Jose’s thank-you message prompted me to have a look at Tom’s keyboard layout :-)

As it wasn’t in a bundle (keyboard layout collection), I’ve made a bundle version, which is better in certain situations.

Some questions/doubts have come up:

• I’m not sure if it’s a good idea to activate the Caps Lock Switch option for this layout?

• Whether I activate the option Template Icon or not, I still get a generic keyboard icon in the drop-down menu, not the standard Apple style with 2 or 3 letters. Is that normal in Ventura?

[Tom]

Regarding the caps lock switch, I think this only works when swtiching between Latin and non-Latin keyboards, e.g. Portuguese and Russian.