Claiming an abandoned vehicle
Robin Cull
Apologies for the X-post.
I've heard in the past that if there is a vehicle abandoned on the public
highway you can notify the DVLA asking for ownership to be transferred to
you. They will attempt to contact the current registered keeper and if
they receive no response within 14 days they will transfer ownership and
issue you with a new logbook. Then the car is yours. Is this true or is
it simply pub talk?
There's a car that has obviously been abandoned near where I live (flat
tyres, hasn't moved in a couple of months, in a pay-and-display parking
space) that I've got my eye on.
Thanks all.
Cheers,
Robin
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Julian Mamo
"Robin Cull" <ro...@digitalevacuation.YOURFINGER.org> wrote in message
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I am way out of date but this is how I got my first second car if you follow
me. It went into the local police pound and after so many weeks it was up
for tender. Being a rusty Renault 4 it was not worth much and the local
scrap yards bid £2.50 as the going rate. I bid £3 and got to weld a new
floor in it and ran it for a year. Great fun. Your local council is likely
to be helpful as it must cost them money to get rid of these.
Julian
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Troy Steadman
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>
> highway you can notify the DVLA asking for ownership to be transferred to
> you.
This thread has a few pointers:
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Marshall Rice
org>, Robin Cull <ro...@digitalevacuation.YOURFINGER.org> writes
>All,
>
>Apologies for the X-post.
>
>I've heard in the past that if there is a vehicle abandoned on the public
>highway you can notify the DVLA asking for ownership to be transferred to
>you. They will attempt to contact the current registered keeper and if
>they receive no response within 14 days they will transfer ownership and
>issue you with a new logbook. Then the car is yours. Is this true or is
>it simply pub talk?
The DVLA are not able to transfer ownership. They may transfer
registration, but that's not the same thing at all.
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PeterE
>
> I've heard in the past that if there is a vehicle abandoned on the
> public highway you can notify the DVLA asking for ownership to be
> transferred to you. They will attempt to contact the current
> registered keeper and if they receive no response within 14 days they
> will transfer ownership and issue you with a new logbook. Then the
> car is yours. Is this true or is it simply pub talk?
>
> There's a car that has obviously been abandoned near where I live
> (flat tyres, hasn't moved in a couple of months, in a pay-and-display
> parking space) that I've got my eye on.
Complete urban myth. How do you define an abandoned car in the first place?
Many people might perfectly legitimately leave their car parked on the
street for a month while they pay an extended visit to relatives in
Australia.
In general, the opposite is true, and the authorities are extremely
reluctant to do anything about vehicles that have been obviously not touched
for six months or more.
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Alasdair Baxter
<troyst...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>This thread has a few pointers:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/k7be
I just cannot believe this. Effectively, the DVLA are conspiring with
members of the public to steal cars.
There must be some statute which provides for the transfer of legal
ownership of abandoned cars after a certain procedure has been gone
through. It is essential to read that provision before accepting a
transfer of keepership from the DVLA. You may find you have all the
responsibilities of keepership but none of the rights of ownership.
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Robin Cull
> "Robin Cull" <ro...@digitalevacuation.YOURFINGER.org> wrote in message
> news:pan.2003.08.16....@digitalevacuation.YOURFINGER.org
>>
>> I've heard in the past that if there is a vehicle abandoned on the
>> public highway you can notify the DVLA asking for ownership to be
>> transferred to you.
>
> This thread has a few pointers:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/k7be
Great stuff! This thread was very informative. V62 form from the DVLA it
is then! :) Going to call them Monday.
Thanks a lot.
Robin Cull
> Robin Cull <ro...@digitalevacuation.YOURFINGER.org> wrote:
>>
>> I've heard in the past that if there is a vehicle abandoned on the
>> public highway you can notify the DVLA asking for ownership to be
>> transferred to you. They will attempt to contact the current
>> registered keeper and if they receive no response within 14 days they
>> will transfer ownership and issue you with a new logbook. Then the
>> car is yours. Is this true or is it simply pub talk?
>>
>> There's a car that has obviously been abandoned near where I live
>> (flat tyres, hasn't moved in a couple of months, in a pay-and-display
>> parking space) that I've got my eye on.
>
> Complete urban myth. How do you define an abandoned car in the first place?
> Many people might perfectly legitimately leave their car parked on the
> street for a month while they pay an extended visit to relatives in
> Australia.
In this particular case it is fairly obvious that the car has been
abandoned. It's in a pay-and-display bay at the side of the road and has
been for many months. It's got no tax-disc and a notice on the windscreen
from a parking attendant informing the owner that it requires tax. Its
tyres have gone down.
The thread linked above seems to concur with the information I was told.
I guess it's down to the DVLA to decide. I'll give them a call.
>
> In general, the opposite is true, and the authorities are extremely
> reluctant to do anything about vehicles that have been obviously not touched
> for six months or more.
Where I live they're quite good at putting the notices on abandoned cars
and towing them after a while. Often these vehicles have been there for
less than 6 months. What's the difference between vehicles that have been
abandoned for 6 months or more or less than 6 months?
Robin Cull
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:13:07 +0000, Troy Steadman wrote:
>
>> "Robin Cull" <ro...@digitalevacuation.YOURFINGER.org> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2003.08.16....@digitalevacuation.YOURFINGER.org
>>>
>>> I've heard in the past that if there is a vehicle abandoned on the
>>> public highway you can notify the DVLA asking for ownership to be
>>> transferred to you.
>>
>> This thread has a few pointers:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/k7be
>
> Great stuff! This thread was very informative. V62 form from the DVLA it
> is then! :) Going to call them Monday.
Having read in full the above thread and called the DVLA it seems that
there is a difference between keepership and ownership. They're quite
happy to transfer keepership to me but, after I explicitly asked, this
does not make me legal owner of the vehicle. They'll try and contact the
original keeper of the vehicle and if that comes up blank they will issue
a V5 logbook for the vehicle, however it remains legal property of the
original owner and they have the right (if they come up with proof of
ownership) to take it back.
Technically, as I understand it this would be theft on my part, if it was
ever proven.
Back to the drawing board. Maybe the Police or council can help.
ك ط ® G
>On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:13:07 +0000, Troy Steadman wrote:
>
>> "Robin Cull" <ro...@digitalevacuation.YOURFINGER.org> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2003.08.16....@digitalevacuation.YOURFINGER.org
>>>
>>> I've heard in the past that if there is a vehicle abandoned on the
>>> public highway you can notify the DVLA asking for ownership to be
>>> transferred to you.
>>
>> This thread has a few pointers:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/k7be
>
>Great stuff! This thread was very informative. V62 form from the DVLA it
>is then! :) Going to call them Monday.
>
>Thanks a lot.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Robin
if you look at any log book its says legal keeper not owner
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derek
<ro...@digitalevacuation.YOURFINGER.org> wrote:
>
>In this particular case it is fairly obvious that the car has been
>abandoned. It's in a pay-and-display bay at the side of the road and has
>been for many months. It's got no tax-disc and a notice on the windscreen
>from a parking attendant informing the owner that it requires tax. Its
>tyres have gone down.
>
One careful owner = "Ben Hur". Alt= "British Railways"
>The thread linked above seems to concur with the information I was told.
>I guess it's down to the DVLA to decide. I'll give them a call.
>
I'd imagine they'd just issue you with a registration document. Beware
though I have heard of the police charging people with stealing
windscreen wipers etc from abandoned cars. If you were to take the
whole bag of mashings I don't know what might happen. I dare say that
if you've registered the car to yourself with the DVLA that would be a
defence under the theft, act it's not the act of someone intending to
permanently deprive the rightful owner, if there was one.
As a corollary what if the R.O. turns up after a few months after
you've had it feckled with new brakes, new tyres, and a respray?
>>
>> In general, the opposite is true, and the authorities are extremely
>> reluctant to do anything about vehicles that have been obviously not touched
>> for six months or more.
>
>Where I live they're quite good at putting the notices on abandoned cars
>and towing them after a while. Often these vehicles have been there for
>less than 6 months. What's the difference between vehicles that have been
>abandoned for 6 months or more or less than 6 months?
>
1 or more months. ;-)
>Cheers,
>
>Robin
Bob Brenchley.
<ro...@digitalevacuation.YOURFINGER.org> wrote:
>All,
>
>Apologies for the X-post.
>
>I've heard in the past that if there is a vehicle abandoned on the public
>highway you can notify the DVLA asking for ownership to be transferred to
>you.
Then you heard WRONG.
> They will attempt to contact the current registered keeper and if
>they receive no response within 14 days they will transfer ownership and
>issue you with a new logbook. Then the car is yours. Is this true or is
>it simply pub talk?
It is total, 101% rubbish.
>
>There's a car that has obviously been abandoned near where I live (flat
>tyres, hasn't moved in a couple of months, in a pay-and-display parking
>space) that I've got my eye on.
>
>Thanks all.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Robin
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says...
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:13:07 +0000 (UTC), "Troy Steadman"
> <troyst...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >This thread has a few pointers:
> >
> >http://tinyurl.com/k7be
>
> I just cannot believe this. Effectively, the DVLA are conspiring with
> members of the public to steal cars.
>
get round to putting a 7 day removal notice on can pretty much be
classed as abandoned.
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If you, obtain ownership/keepership, of a car,
that has been abandoned, in a parking bay for six months.
How pleased, will you be, when the car park in question,
presents you with a bill, for six months parking.
S'cuse the Pun.
Steer Clear !.
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Well they'd possibly have some difficulty in pusuing someone who had only
just acquired/registered the vehicle especially if they bought a parking
permit on their attendance to collect the vehicle after they had received
notification from the DVLC.
Imagine that!
Who would be liable to pay the car-parking fees during the period when DVLC
process the application though?
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Simon Hobson
> Complete urban myth. How do you define an abandoned car in the first place?
> Many people might perfectly legitimately leave their car parked on the
> street for a month while they pay an extended visit to relatives in
> Australia.
I have heard stories (or rather read them in the magazines) where owners of
certain types of vehicle (in this case rather old and shabby Land Rovers)
came bcak from holiday to find their legally parked, taxed, insured, MOTed
pride and joy gone. When they reported them stolen, they found out that they
had been removed as abandoned "it was clearly a derelict vehicle sir !".
Simon
I@n-N
> Not really. A car that's been on a verge long enough for the council
> to get round to putting a 7 day removal notice on can pretty much be
> classed as abandoned.
Not in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham. It used to be as you
say, but these days if the parking wardens find a car in or near a
resident's parking zone without the correct permit, if it looks in
reasonable condition it gets a few days of tickets and then "your car will
be crushed tomorrow" stickers; if it looks to have something "abandoned"
about it, like a broken window or broken wheel, it gets the parking ticket
on the first day and the "your car will be crushed tomorrow" the next day.
And in all the cases where I've seen those stickers appear, the car has
indeed disappeared within a day or sometimes two.
A couple of years ago I remember struggling to get a similar abandoned car
removed (because it was "parked" so as to render three resident's parking
spaces unusable, which in a road with only six residents spaces is a bit of
a disaster), and it took about six weeks, because the council had to contact
the DVLA and then contact the registered keeper, and said they could only
take action after no response from the registered keeper.
Much better now.
I@n-N
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:43:20 +0100, Robin Cull wrote:
> Having read in full the above thread and called the DVLA it seems that
> there is a difference between keepership and ownership. They're quite
> happy to transfer keepership to me but, after I explicitly asked, this
> does not make me legal owner of the vehicle. They'll try and contact
> the original keeper of the vehicle and if that comes up blank they
> will issue
I believe you can approach the council at the point that they put the "move
this car or we are going to crush it on day xxx" stickers on it. At that
point they have decided that there is no owner and will be happy if you do
the removal for them and save them the bother. As I've said in another
thread those stickers give one day's notice in Hammersmith but in other
boroughs and counties it might be seven or twenty-eight days etc.
nss
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Who would be liable to pay the car-parking fees during the period when DVLC
process the application though?
What duty of care do the car-park company owe the owner of the vehicle to
ensure that any storage charges on the property are kept to a minimum during
the enquiries to actually determine if the property was actually 'abandoned'
What would there be to stop the car-park employees or managers from moving
the car to a far more expensive parking-spot or adding substantial
'secure-storage' or other costs.
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Ian
and they now cost money to scrap!
Ian
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An interesting point is that the police allow a concession to motorists to
park on the public highway, in actual fact any vehicle parked on a highway
anywhere constitutes an obstruction and can be removed. UNder the Highways
Act 1980 the highway authority have powers but they take a little longer to
bring into action