14 Landrovers covered in Paintstripper
Doug
near Hereford in an action against climate change. Slogans were also
sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
More:
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/03/365262.html
--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
"The car, more of a toilet than a convenience".
Clive.
<jag...@riseup.net> writes
>Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover Dealership
>near Hereford in an action against climate change. Slogans were also
>sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
takes such great pleasure from others misfortune.
--
Clive.
nullified
>"Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover Dealership
>near Hereford in an action against climate change. Slogans were also
>sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
>
>More:
>
More deliberate, malicious, illegal vandalism that you no doubt find
completely acceptable behaviour because its a cause you favour.
Personally I cant wait until we make promoting/condoning ART is just
as serious an offence as promoting more conventional terrorism. I'll
hand you in in a fucking heartbeat, you retarded old bastard
Doug
> In message <1174064302.561060.55...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Doug
I disagree. Many of the motorists here take delight in the problems
faced by peds and cyclists on our roads as well as the heavy prison
sentences handed doiwn to ARAs and they also want old people to die
quickly.
NM
> "Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover Dealership
> near Hereford in an action against climate change. Slogans were also
> sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
>
> More:
>
> http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/03/365262.html
Obviously you didn't read the comments section where the action was
condemmed by almost all of the contributors.
Doug
That's right, kill the messenger. Typical!
mma...@my-deja.com
> "Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover Dealership
> near Hereford in an action against climate change. Slogans were also
> sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
I hope you're only posting this here to condemn such acts of mindless
vandalism, Duhg.
Mark
Brimstone
"Doug" <jag...@riseup.net> wrote in message
news:1174064302....@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> "Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover Dealership
> near Hereford in an action against climate change. Slogans were also
> sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
>
More gloating over damage to other people's property. Land-Rovers in that
part of the world are used as tools by famers and others, not for posing
round town.
If these people are so against pollution why are they making the problem
worse? All that paint stripper will get washed into the drains where it will
end up in the rivers poisoning wildlife. The dealer will claim off the
insurance and repaint the vehicles, so leading to more pollution. Of course
the paint will need to be delivered so that's more vehicle miles than is
needed.
The electricity to power the spraying equipment needs to be generated which
is more pollution.
The police and local authority will possibly end up installing security
cameras, more intrusion plus the pollution needed to make and transport the
equipment plus the pollution from the engineers who install and set it up.
Was this really such a sensible idea?
Ooops, nearly forgot. When the perpetrators get caught they'll get banged
up. How much campaigning can they do from a prison cell? And for what? Doing
something that will have caused more pollution than they started with and
made themselves look total cunts.
What a bunch of sad, pathetic tossers.
Brian
> That's right, kill the messenger. Typical!
Fair enough. However, as you were good enough to post the story, why
don't you give us your opinion on the merits or otherwise of the
action?
Tony Dragon
> On 16 Mar, 18:27, nullified <n...@null.null> wrote:
>> On 16 Mar 2007 09:58:22 -0700, "Doug" <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover
>>> Dealership near Hereford in an action against climate change.
>>> Slogans were also sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
>>
>>> More:
>>
>> More deliberate, malicious, illegal vandalism that you no doubt find
>> completely acceptable behaviour because its a cause you favour.
>> Personally I cant wait until we make promoting/condoning ART is just
>> as serious an offence as promoting more conventional terrorism. I'll
>> hand you in in a fucking heartbeat, you retarded old bastard
>
> That's right, kill the messenger. Typical!
There are times when the messenger should be, if not be killed at least
locked out of harms way.
--
Tony the Dragon
mma...@my-deja.com
> Fair enough. However, as you were good enough to post the story, why
> don't you give us your opinion on the merits or otherwise of the
> action?
Extra marks will be given for discussing the environmental costs of
throwing paint-stripper around and repairing the vehicles.
Mark
Brimstone
<mma...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1174067469....@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Thank you, see my post. :-)
nullified
>On 16 Mar, 18:27, nullified <n...@null.null> wrote:
>> On 16 Mar 2007 09:58:22 -0700, "Doug" <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>> >"Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover Dealership
>> >near Hereford in an action against climate change. Slogans were also
>> >sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
>>
>> >More:
>>
>> More deliberate, malicious, illegal vandalism that you no doubt find
>> completely acceptable behaviour because its a cause you favour.
>> Personally I cant wait until we make promoting/condoning ART is just
>> as serious an offence as promoting more conventional terrorism. I'll
>> hand you in in a fucking heartbeat, you retarded old bastard
>
>That's right, kill the messenger. Typical!
No, just the person who thinks its fabulous news. You, for example..
Derek Geldard
>and they also want old people to die quickly.
"Soon", rather than quickly.
DG
Clive.
<jag...@riseup.net> writes
>> As soon as I saw this I knew it would be you posting it, no-one else
>> takes such great pleasure from others misfortune.
>
>I disagree. Many of the motorists here take delight in the problems
>faced by peds and cyclists on our roads as well as the heavy prison
>sentences handed doiwn to ARAs and they also want old people to die
>quickly.
--
Clive.
Adrian
saying :
> and they also want old people to die quickly.
You'd rather die slowly? How odd.
Phil Bradshaw
> "Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover Dealership
> near Hereford in an action against climate change. Slogans were also
> sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
>
Methylene chloride? Ye gods.
Brian
Good stuff, that, gets you higher than alcohol, more quickly, and it's
duty free. Maybe Doug's been sniffing it?
NM
That's not odd, I would as well, preferably take about 100 years over
it.
Adrian
saying :
>> > and they also want old people to die quickly.
>> You'd rather die slowly? How odd.
> That's not odd, I would as well, preferably take about 100 years over
> it.
Fuck that. I don't want to be dying for any longer than I have to be.
When it's time to go, I want to go to bed one night, feeling fine, and just
not wake up.
Don't confuse "soon" and "slowly".
Brimstone
> NM (nik.m...@mac.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> saying :
>
>>>> and they also want old people to die quickly.
>
>>> You'd rather die slowly? How odd.
>
>> That's not odd, I would as well, preferably take about 100 years over
>> it.
>
> Fuck that. I don't want to be dying for any longer than I have to be.
I agree.
>
> When it's time to go, I want to go to bed one night, feeling fine,
> and just not wake up.
When?
Conor
says...
> "Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover Dealership
> near Hereford in an action against climate change. Slogans were also
> sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
>
> More:
>
> http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/03/365262.html
>
Hereford is in a rural area. Land Rovers there tend to be bought by
people who actually use them offroad such as all the farmers in the
locality.
--
Conor
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........
Adrian
were saying :
>> When it's time to go, I want to go to bed one night, feeling fine,
>> and just not wake up.
> When?
Ever.
NM
> NM (nik.mor...@mac.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
That's the most likely outcome for the vast majority.
>
> Don't confuse "soon" and "slowly".
I wasn't, should have put in a smiley, We are all dying bit by bit,
day by day.
JNugent
> On 16 Mar, 18:18, "Clive." <c...@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <1174064302.561060.55...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Doug
>><jag...@riseup.net> writes>Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover Dealership
>>
>>>near Hereford in an action against climate change. Slogans were also
>>>sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
>>
>>As soon as I saw this I knew it would be you posting it, no-one else
>>takes such great pleasure from others misfortune.
>
>
> I disagree. Many of the motorists here take delight in the problems
> faced by peds and cyclists on our roads as well as the heavy prison
> sentences handed doiwn to ARAs and they also want old people to die
> quickly.
??
Every poster here is a pedestrian. I cannot
imagine that any of them "take delight in the
problems faced by peds ... on our roads". I don't.
Phil Bradshaw
I doubt he'd survive for long; apparently CH2Cl2 is potent enough to even
see off cockroaches in short order.
®i©ardo
Hey, cut out the "old"!
--
Moving things in still pictures!
Fod
i'm not, i'm going to live forever... unless i die trying...
Fod
Fod
> saying :
>
> >> > and they also want old people to die quickly.
> >> You'd rather die slowly? How odd.
> > That's not odd, I would as well, preferably take about 100 years over
> > it.
>
> Fuck that. I don't want to be dying for any longer than I have to be.
i'd like to lose control of the plane, on my 95th birthday, while
making love to my 20 year old second wife.
sure its leaving some things unfinished but i'd be too distracted to
see whats coming...
Fod
Steve Walker
<conor....@gmail.com> writes
>Hereford is in a rural area. Land Rovers there tend to be bought by
>people who actually use them offroad such as all the farmers in the
>locality.
There's certainly one well known bunch of people based in that area who
find 4x4s useful. It would be interesting to see the nutters getting
caught vandalising their vehicles...
--
Steve Walker
Roadhog
<st...@otolith.demon.co.uk> writes
If this bunch of people have a similar occupation to the ones driving
large American 4x4s with blacked-out windows around Brixton, I doubt the
nutters would dare go anywhere near them. They feel far braver
intimidating middle class women on school runs etc.
--
Roadhog
DavidR
Doug
OK. In a fairer world, where political protesters were not subject to
such draconian laws, I would weigh the damage caused to the paintwork
and its envrionmental consequences against the damage caused by the
4x4 during its manufacture, lifetime and disposal.
--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
"The car, more of a toilet than a convenience".
nullified
>On 16 Mar, 17:43, "Brian" <brianwhiteh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 16 Mar, 17:30, "Doug" <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>> > That's right, kill the messenger. Typical!
>>
>> Fair enough. However, as you were good enough to post the story, why
>> don't you give us your opinion on the merits or otherwise of the
>> action?
>
>OK. In a fairer world, where political protesters were not subject to
>such draconian laws, I would weigh the damage caused to the paintwork
>and its envrionmental consequences against the damage caused by the
>4x4 during its manufacture, lifetime and disposal.
Sounds sensible. So, just to be sure I'm not misunderstanding you, you
would only prosecute protesters who caused damage against something
that had no environmental impact? So, for example, a 'protester' who
blew up a Hummer dealership would have no fear of prosecution because
his bomb 'only' killed a few people whereas the Hummers if they'd got
into the publics hands could have killed far more? Thats your idea of
a "fairer world"?
On the basis that a brand new bus slings out carbon monoxide
throughout its lifetime, protesters should slash its tyres, right? Or
is your "fairer world" treating commercial vehicles differently to
private ones?
I'm sorry to be so dense, but I'm genuinely trying to get a handle on
your stance here. At the moment, I can only imagine that you post here
for no other reason at all, absolutely none, other than to
deliberately attempt to inflame others by maintaining standpoints that
are utterly bonkers.
Doug
> On 17 Mar 2007 00:45:39 -0700, "Doug" <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>
> >On 16 Mar, 17:43, "Brian" <brianwhiteh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 16 Mar, 17:30, "Doug" <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>
> >> > That's right, kill the messenger. Typical!
>
> >> Fair enough. However, as you were good enough to post the story, why
> >> don't you give us your opinion on the merits or otherwise of the
> >> action?
>
> >OK. In a fairer world, where political protesters were not subject to
> >such draconian laws, I would weigh the damage caused to the paintwork
> >and its envrionmental consequences against the damage caused by the
> >4x4 during its manufacture, lifetime and disposal.
>
> Sounds sensible. So, just to be sure I'm not misunderstanding you, you
> would only prosecute protesters who caused damage against something
> that had no environmental impact? So, for example, a 'protester' who
> blew up a Hummer dealership would have no fear of prosecution because
> his bomb 'only' killed a few people whereas the Hummers if they'd got
> into the publics hands could have killed far more? Thats your idea of
> a "fairer world"?
>
>
> On the basis that a brand new bus slings out carbon monoxide
> throughout its lifetime, protesters should slash its tyres, right? Or
> is your "fairer world" treating commercial vehicles differently to
> private ones?
>
innocuous. It only harms the image and the pocket. I realise that
image is all important to urban 4x4 users but that is their problem.
Farmers with muddy 4x4s probably wouldn't give a damn.
>
> I'm sorry to be so dense, but I'm genuinely trying to get a handle on
> your stance here. At the moment, I can only imagine that you post here
> for no other reason at all, absolutely none, other than to
> deliberately attempt to inflame others by maintaining standpoints that
> are utterly bonkers.
You still don't get it do you, or pretend not to. I am opposed to the
harm caused by the mass car culture in general and the domination of
this *transport* NG by motorists in particular.
Phil Bradshaw
Is the right answer. :-)
Phil Bradshaw
Explain then your stated aim of posting here only to wind up car drivers.
Brimstone
"Brimstone" <brim...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Doug" <jag...@riseup.net> wrote in message
> news:1174064302....@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> "Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover Dealership
>> near Hereford in an action against climate change. Slogans were also
>> sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
>>
>
> part of the world are used as tools by famers and others, not for posing
> round town.
>
> If these people are so against pollution why are they making the problem
> worse? All that paint stripper will get washed into the drains where it
> will end up in the rivers poisoning wildlife. The dealer will claim off
> the insurance and repaint the vehicles, so leading to more pollution. Of
> course the paint will need to be delivered so that's more vehicle miles
> than is needed.
>
> The electricity to power the spraying equipment needs to be generated
> which is more pollution.
>
> The police and local authority will possibly end up installing security
> cameras, more intrusion plus the pollution needed to make and transport
> the equipment plus the pollution from the engineers who install and set it
> up.
>
> Was this really such a sensible idea?
>
> Ooops, nearly forgot. When the perpetrators get caught they'll get banged
> up. How much campaigning can they do from a prison cell? And for what?
> Doing something that will have caused more pollution than they started
> with and made themselves look total cunts.
>
> What a bunch of sad, pathetic tossers.
>
Wassup then Doug, cat got your tongue? Looking at the replies to other posts
you seem to have plenty to say.
Doug
Why don't you explain something for a change, such as why you are
always brown nosing motorists on this NG?
Brimstone
Once again Doug responds to a simple question with a personal attack.
Tony Dragon
Land Rovers were.
--
Tony the Dragon
®i©ardo
to mercy killing, someone might, hopefully, weigh the damage caused to
the environment by your birth, nurturing and ongoing life.
I suppose you could get your brain wired back into your system?
Conor
says...
> >
> Nope. Stop exaggerating. Spoiling a bit of paintwork is relatively
> innocuous. It only harms the image and the pocket.
And the environment - the very thing the enviroloonies are trying to
protect.
> You still don't get it do you, or pretend not to. I am opposed to the
> harm caused by the mass car culture in general and the domination of
> this *transport* NG by motorists in particular.
>
Well seeing as motoring is the most widely used mode of transport by a
massive amount, it's going to be the most discussed.
NM
> On 16 Mar, 17:43, "Brian" <brianwhiteh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 16 Mar, 17:30, "Doug" <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>
> > > That's right, kill the messenger. Typical!
>
> > Fair enough. However, as you were good enough to post the story, why
> > don't you give us your opinion on the merits or otherwise of the
> > action?
>
> OK. In a fairer world, where political protesters were not subject to
> such draconian laws,
They aren't, if they go through the procedures they can have their
protest.
I would weigh the damage caused to the paintwork
> and its envrionmental consequences against the damage caused by the
> 4x4 during its manufacture, lifetime and disposal.
How are the two related, the thing is already manufactured, you
pouring paint on it will not stop it being manufactured nor will it be
necessary to manufacture another to replace it the only thing it will
do is create some employment and additional pollution, there is no
trade off that you can 'weigh'.
But as an employment generation scheme it has some merits, you are
making work for inspectors and clerks in the insurance industry,
workers in the motor trade, sales of industrial paints and chemicals,
work for the police then later the judicial syastm and finally the
prison service, I failed to mention the probation and after care
services and any newspaper or journalist interest.
no doubt there are more who will benefit directly or indirectly. Here
is one I've just thought of, ongoing employment for clerks in the dole/
benefits offices and social services.
>
NM
> In message <QT9HMeEy$x+FF...@otolith.demon.co.uk>, Steve Walker
> <s...@otolith.demon.co.uk> writes
>
> >In message <MPG.20650e4728301b9c98a...@news.karoo.co.uk>, Conor
> ><conor.tur...@gmail.com> writes
>
> >>Hereford is in a rural area. Land Rovers there tend to be bought by
> >>people who actually use them offroad such as all the farmers in the
> >>locality.
>
> >There's certainly one well known bunch of people based in that area who
> >find 4x4s useful. It would be interesting to see the nutters getting
> >caught vandalising their vehicles...
>
> If this bunch of people have a similar occupation to the ones driving
> large American 4x4s with blacked-out windows around Brixton, I doubt the
> nutters would dare go anywhere near them. They feel far braver
> intimidating middle class women on school runs etc.
>
A. Little
> "Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover Dealership
> near Hereford in an action against climate change. Slogans were also
> sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
>
Fourteen 4x4s were recently taken to a respray facility, where at
considerable expens eto the envirnonment they were returned to pristine
condition.
Meanwhile, the world became a nicer place.
Lurkio
Yes - I thought ruin was a strange word - I always thought they were tougher
than that.
PS Anyone got a link to a copy of all those 1970s articles warning us about
global cooling?
Mr Gore (ex US vice-president) in his film on global warming was a little
biased - he stated there is a relationship between global warming and CO2 -
he forgot to say that if you don't just look at the last 25years but the
last 10,000 there is actually an INVERSE link between them and the "since
records began" for a lot of the GW figures are from the 1800s a time we had
very cold weather, If one goes back a couple more 100s of Years we had
vineyards in't north and I cannot be sure and I know the old Land Rover
design is ancient but I think in the 1500s we didn't produce Defenders
Knight Of The Road
"Doug" <jag...@riseup.net> wrote
they also want old people to die
> quickly.
Only you.
--
Regards, Vince.
Truck Driving In Russia- www.TruckDrivingInRussia.co.uk
Clive.
<jag...@riseup.net> writes
>OK. In a fairer world, where political protesters were not subject to
>such draconian laws,
> I would weigh the damage caused to the paintwork
>and its envrionmental consequences against the damage caused by the
>4x4 during its manufacture, lifetime and disposal.
--
Clive.
mma...@my-deja.com
> i'd like to lose control of the plane, on my 95th birthday, while
> making love to my 20 year old second wife.
> sure its leaving some things unfinished but i'd be too distracted to
> see whats coming...
Might not be so painless though. It may be an urban legend, but I've
read claims that in a remarkable number of fatal light plane crashes
the male pilot's dick is found in the female passenger's mouth after
the impact...
Mark
Adrian
saying :
> You still don't get it do you, or pretend not to. I am opposed to the
> harm caused by the mass car culture in general and the domination of
> this *transport* NG by motorists in particular.
Ummm, Duhg... Do you think that the fact that most people here drive is
probably a reflection of the fact that most people in the UK drive...?
Knight Of The Road
"Doug" <jag...@riseup.net>
> "Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover Dealership
Land Rover. Like the Land Rover you used to own then?
> near Hereford
Except these Land Rovers were in Hereford and no doubt the vast majority
would have been sold to farmers, foresters etc.
nullified
>On 17 Mar, 10:07, nullified <n...@null.null> wrote:
>> On 17 Mar 2007 00:45:39 -0700, "Doug" <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On 16 Mar, 17:43, "Brian" <brianwhiteh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On 16 Mar, 17:30, "Doug" <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> > That's right, kill the messenger. Typical!
>>
>> >> Fair enough. However, as you were good enough to post the story, why
>> >> don't you give us your opinion on the merits or otherwise of the
>> >> action?
>>
>> >OK. In a fairer world, where political protesters were not subject to
>> >such draconian laws, I would weigh the damage caused to the paintwork
>> >and its envrionmental consequences against the damage caused by the
>> >4x4 during its manufacture, lifetime and disposal.
>>
>> Sounds sensible. So, just to be sure I'm not misunderstanding you, you
>> would only prosecute protesters who caused damage against something
>> that had no environmental impact? So, for example, a 'protester' who
>> blew up a Hummer dealership would have no fear of prosecution because
>> his bomb 'only' killed a few people whereas the Hummers if they'd got
>> into the publics hands could have killed far more? Thats your idea of
>> a "fairer world"?
>>
>Nope. Stop exaggerating.
>>
I'm *not* exaggerating. Or at least, I'm not trying to. I'm merely
trying to understand your point of view. It *seemed* to me that you
thought people who deliberately damage 4x4's are innocent of any real
crime. If I'm wrong on that and thats *not* what you meant, then I
apologise. Please clarify what you mean.
>> On the basis that a brand new bus slings out carbon monoxide
>> throughout its lifetime, protesters should slash its tyres, right? Or
>> is your "fairer world" treating commercial vehicles differently to
>> private ones?
>>
>Nope. Stop exaggerating. Spoiling a bit of paintwork is relatively
>innocuous. It only harms the image and the pocket. I realise that
>image is all important to urban 4x4 users but that is their problem.
>Farmers with muddy 4x4s probably wouldn't give a damn.
>>
So it *is* okay to maliciously damage private property because you
dont agree with it? Dont equivocate Duhg, just say Yes or No. Is it
okay to damage cars that you're not happy about?
>> I'm sorry to be so dense, but I'm genuinely trying to get a handle on
>> your stance here. At the moment, I can only imagine that you post here
>> for no other reason at all, absolutely none, other than to
>> deliberately attempt to inflame others by maintaining standpoints that
>> are utterly bonkers.
>
>You still don't get it do you, or pretend not to. I am opposed to the
>harm caused by the mass car culture in general and the domination of
>this *transport* NG by motorists in particular.
Yes, I fully 'get' that you are opposed to 4x4 owners (fuck knows why,
since you used to be one). What I'm not sure about is whether or not
you advocate smashing up someones car because you think they shouldn't
have it. Please do let me know what your feelings are on this
David Kemper
"Knight Of The Road" <russiat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:IbqdnVS1nMo...@bt.com...
>
>
> "Doug" <jag...@riseup.net>
>
>> "Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover Dealership
>
>
>
> Land Rover. Like the Land Rover you used to own then?
>
>
>
>> near Hereford
>
>
> Except these Land Rovers were in Hereford and no doubt the vast majority
> would have been sold to farmers, foresters etc.
The Hereford Land Rover dealer is actually out in the sticks, around 3 miles
from Hereford, on the road to Worcester.
I wonder how the ecowankers got to the site, hmm? Care to comment Doug?
<avoids holding breath>
Pity the SAS (based in Hereford) weren't having their Pink Panther Landys
serviced at the time.
David Kemper
Not a fan of ecowankers.
Phil Bradshaw
Quite; so much for his claiming never to start the abuse.
Phil Bradshaw
If you mean my aversion to your prattlings despite my not having or using a
car then you only have yourself to blame.
MeMeMeMeMe
> "Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover Dealership
> sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
Paint stripper is an extremely toxic chemical. If this people pour it
on cars, and then it rains, the stripper will get washed into the
rivers killing fishes and the like.
The cost to the envoirnment to repair and sell these cars will also be
huge. (compressed gasses, new paint, solvents polluting the atmosphere
etc).
Doug
But trivial compared to the damage the 4x4s will do. The harm done to
the 4x4s is purely cosmetic but that is where it hurts users most,
their image.
Knight Of The Road
"Doug" <jag...@riseup.net> wrote
> But trivial compared to the damage the 4x4s will do. The harm done to
> the 4x4s is purely cosmetic but that is where it hurts users most,
> their image.
Ffs, it's HEREFORDSHIRE you stupid townie cunt. Farmers do not buy Land
Rovers for "image" reasons, unlike those who live in Catford.
--
Regards, Vince.
"Only some ghastly dehumanised moron would want to get rid of the
Routemaster" (Ken Livingstone, 2001)
Brimstone
> On 18 Mar, 00:05, "MeMeMeMeMe" <mee.not...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> On Mar 16, 4:58 pm, "Doug" <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>> > "Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover Dealership
>> > near Hereford in an action against climate change. Slogans were also
>> > sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
>>
>> Paint stripper is an extremely toxic chemical. If this people pour it
>> on cars, and then it rains, the stripper will get washed into the
>> rivers killing fishes and the like.
>>
>> The cost to the envoirnment to repair and sell these cars will also be
>> huge. (compressed gasses, new paint, solvents polluting the atmosphere
>> etc).
>
> But trivial compared to the damage the 4x4s will do.
Evidence?
Brimstone
Still no answer then Doug?
Abo
> "Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover Dealership
> near Hereford in an action against climate change. Slogans were also
> sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
They'll be fixed and sold. ELF achieved fuck all (again)
--
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Abo
> "Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover Dealership
> near Hereford in an action against climate change. Slogans were also
> sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
Isn't Hereford 'the countryside'? It was pretty rural last time I was
there. Just think of the poor farmers deprived of the vehicles they need
to do their job, supplying their local farmers markets and farm shops to
cut down on food miles. Not to mention e.g. local doctors who need 4x4's
in bad weather to get to remote locations in times of emergency.
Brimstone
"Abo" <n...@spam.thanks> wrote in message
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> Doug wrote:
>> "Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover Dealership
>> near Hereford in an action against climate change. Slogans were also
>> sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
>
> Isn't Hereford 'the countryside'? It was pretty rural last time I was
> there. Just think of the poor farmers deprived of the vehicles they need
> to do their job, supplying their local farmers markets and farm shops to
> cut down on food miles. Not to mention e.g. local doctors who need 4x4's
> in bad weather to get to remote locations in times of emergency.
The realities of rural life are beyond these town based guardians of freedom
who seek to impose their outlook on others about whom they know nothing and
care less.
NM
> On 18 Mar, 00:05, "MeMeMeMeMe" <mee.not...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 16, 4:58 pm, "Doug" <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>
> > > "Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover Dealership
> > > near Hereford in an action against climate change. Slogans were also
> > > sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
>
> > Paint stripper is an extremely toxic chemical. If this people pour it
> > on cars, and then it rains, the stripper will get washed into the
> > rivers killing fishes and the like.
>
> > The cost to the envoirnment to repair and sell these cars will also be
> > huge. (compressed gasses, new paint, solvents polluting the atmosphere
> > etc).
>
> But trivial compared to the damage the 4x4s will do. The harm done to
> the 4x4s is purely cosmetic but that is where it hurts users most,
> their image.
If your idiot friends really have to engage in this pointless activity
why didn't they target a central London or West End showroom where the
4x4's will more likely be the ones bought for cosmetic reasons. Better
still, surburban Essex there are plenty of Chav 4x4's on the sites by
the A12 for example.
Landrover Defenders are not generally bought for cosmetic reasons, you
targeted the wrong car in the wrong place. (Your mates seem to be
pretty good at fucking up).
soup
Dont equivocate Duhg, just say Yes or No.
No answer was the loud reply.
soup
> There's certainly one well known bunch of people based in that area who
> find 4x4s useful. It would be interesting to see the nutters getting
> caught vandalising their vehicles...
Do the "hooligans" get there pinkies from dealers or would the MOD
supply them?
John Wright
> "Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover Dealership
> near Hereford in an action against climate change. Slogans were also
> sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
How would you feel if someone came along and gratuitously destroyed your
property?
John Wright.
Lurkio
just explain whose fault it was that in the 14/15th century our weather was
so warm we had vinyards in the North, actually we had them in Roman times
too
Would you also like to admit the % of CO2 produced by people versus by
nature ?
Is it possible that GW has nothing to do with CO2 but sun spots, clouds etc
Doug - You've been conned mate :-) (by the latest trendy scare)
Why do we have these scares all the time? Russkies, Pedos, global
cooling,bird flu, Global warming etc
Aidan
> > Doug
> Would you also like to admit the % of CO2 produced by people versus by
> nature ?
I doubt he has the lung capacity for either.
Brian
> On 16 Mar, 17:43, "Brian" <brianwhiteh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 16 Mar, 17:30, "Doug" <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>
> > > That's right, kill the messenger. Typical!
>
> > Fair enough. However, as you were good enough to post the story, why
> > don't you give us your opinion on the merits or otherwise of the
> > action?
>
> OK. In a fairer world, where political protesters were not subject to
> such draconian laws, I would weigh the damage caused to the paintwork
> and its envrionmental consequences against the damage caused by the
> 4x4 during its manufacture, lifetime and disposal.
I don't follow your answer. We live in the world we live in, not in a
fantasy fairer world. Please let us have you opinion on the actions
of those protestors in this world.
®i©ardo
Was that a fantasy "fairer" world, or "fairy"?
--
Moving things in still pictures!
nullified
wrote:
I already asked him that, two days ago. Perhaps unsurprisingly, Duhg
has remained silent on this. He *has* moved on to start other threads,
but as usual once cornered, he blithely ignores it and continues on
his way. It would seem I was right the first time - he *does* post
here purely as a provocation. If he didnt live so far away, I'd go
take a dump through the cnuts letterbox
Brimstone
C'mon Doug, Don't be shy. Give us a response.
cupra
> "Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover Dealership
> near Hereford in an action against climate change. Slogans were also
> sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
>
>
> http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/03/365262.html]
http://www.herefordtimes.com/search/index.php
Nothing there - or on BBC news.... do we conclude that this is the figment
of a fantasist's imagination?
Sam Nelson
Even if it isn't, attacking Land Rovers in Herefordshire isn't a very
smart move, and severely unlikely to attract much in the way of local
support.
--
SAm.
Brian
> >I don't follow your answer. We live in the world we live in, not in a
> >fantasy fairer world. Please let us have you opinion on the actions
> >of those protestors in this world.
>
> I already asked him that, two days ago. Perhaps unsurprisingly, Duhg
> has remained silent on this. He *has* moved on to start other threads,
> but as usual once cornered, he blithely ignores it and continues on
> his way. It would seem I was right the first time - he *does* post
> here purely as a provocation.
I am making a (late) New Year's resolution - I'm not going to respond
to any more Duhgshite (TM). There's no point - if you corner him, he
just shuts up, changes the subject, and then repeats the same old
nonsense a few weeks later.
Anyone else fancy joining me in my new resolution?
> If he didnt live so far away, I'd go
> take a dump through the cnuts letterbox
He just doesn't bother me that much. He's just a silly old fool.
Doug
No the corporate media and the BBC are too scared to properly portray
dissent in the UK. I imagine this would cause a large number of their
staff something approaching heart failure at the very thought of such
damage to their cherished images and their masters wouldn't like it
much either.
Fod
> On 19 Mar, 09:14, " cupra" <NOcupra.sS...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Doug wrote:
> > > "Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover Dealership
> > > near Hereford in an action against climate change. Slogans were also
> > > sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
>
> > > More:
>
> > >http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/03/365262.html]
>
> >http://www.herefordtimes.com/search/index.php
>
> > Nothing there - or on BBC news.... do we conclude that this is the figment
> > of a fantasist's imagination?
>
> No the corporate media and the BBC are too scared to properly portray
> dissent in the UK. I imagine this would cause a large number of their
> staff something approaching heart failure at the very thought of such
> damage to their cherished images and their masters wouldn't like it
> much either.
>
I second this. A lot of the damage caused during the protests during
the G8 summit in scotland were not shown in detail by the UK media.
The extensive damage that was caused in certain areas was glossed over
on the national news.
Fod
cupra
> On 19 Mar, 09:14, " cupra" <NOcupra.sS...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> "Fourteen 4x4s were covered in painstripper in a Land Rover
>>> Dealership near Hereford in an action against climate change.
>>> Slogans were also sprayed while the vehicles were left to ruin..."
>>
>>> More:
>>
>>> http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/03/365262.html]
>>
>> http://www.herefordtimes.com/search/index.php
>>
>> Nothing there - or on BBC news.... do we conclude that this is the
>> figment of a fantasist's imagination?
>
> No the corporate media and the BBC are too scared to properly portray
> dissent in the UK. I imagine this would cause a large number of their
> staff something approaching heart failure at the very thought of such
> damage to their cherished images and their masters wouldn't like it
> much either.
What about local papers/radio?
Lurkio
>> No the corporate media and the BBC are too scared to properly portray
>> dissent in the UK. I imagine this would cause a large number of their
>> staff something approaching heart failure at the very thought of such
>> damage to their cherished images and their masters wouldn't like it
>> much either.
Oh Doug,Doug,Doug
The BBC are uberPC, slightly institutionally left (OK soft left) and act as
though GW caused by 4x4s is fact - Grow Up.
Whenever a bomb goes off they always give time to the terrorists (sorry
freedom fighters)
Maybe answer the Q about global cooling or why we had vinyards in Scotland
2000 years ago (maybe all those Romans drove around in huge Fiats :-) )
Sam Nelson
"Fod" <friends...@googlemail.com> writes:
> I second this. A lot of the damage caused during the protests during
> the G8 summit in scotland were not shown in detail by the UK media.
> The extensive damage that was caused in certain areas was glossed over
> on the national news.
A couple of hundred yards from my home, for example. The riot there took
place Wed 6th July, and I was on holiday. Switched on a TV to catch some
news headlines, and was confronted by images of police/terrorist action
not a couple of hundred yards from where I live. Later, we saw images
of the aftermath, but while we were shown a wrecked Burger King (wholesome
image of anti-globalisation protest) and a damaged police van (likewise)
they missed out the various pubs and shops and cars that had been attacked,
because presumably that would have cast the terrorists in a bad light.
--
SAm.
Adrian
saying :
>> http://www.herefordtimes.com/search/index.php
>>
>> Nothing there - or on BBC news.... do we conclude that this is the
>> figment of a fantasist's imagination?
> No the corporate media and the BBC are too scared to properly portray
> dissent in the UK. I imagine this would cause a large number of their
> staff something approaching heart failure at the very thought of such
> damage to their cherished images and their masters wouldn't like it
> much either.
Mmmm. Because the BBC are so far into Tony's pockets, aren't they?
Doug
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Brimstone
More BSE noted.
Brimstone
Still no reply Doug, are you feeling OK?
Doug
I'm glad the G8 was introduced here as it is a perfect example of an
unelected body which has a profound influence on the lives of British
voters. Hardly surprising then that certain public spirited people
should object to it and no more suprising that the government's police
force should try to stop them, while the corporate media continues to
play down such dissent.
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www.zing.icom43.net
Don't bother to vote.
You can't change the play by changing the players.
Adrian
saying :
> I'm glad the G8 was introduced here as it is a perfect example of an
> unelected body which has a profound influence on the lives of British
> voters.
British voters, eh? So that excludes you.
Anyway, I think you'll find that all eight countries forming the G8 _do_
have elected governments.
If you want to vote for the government of Japan or Russia or the US, I
suggest you emigrate there. The fact that you chose NOT to vote for the
government of the country you live in does not mean that the government is
unelected.
Fod
possibly true but at least one riot happened in a place devoid of
police and it had ended by the time backup arrived. ( by ended i mean
they had finished destroying local livelihoods and run away)
The police treatment of some protesters was most certainly heavy
handed; but some protesters were intent on causing a lot of damage so
its not as if it was an entirely peaceful protest.
Balancing the right to protest with others right to live peacefully
isn't easy...
Fod
Fod
there are lot of unelected bodies trying to say how I can live my
life.
Europe, the G8, certain protesters that decide they know better than
anyone else and take the law into their own hands, business and so on
and on...
Fod
Brimstone
>
> I'm glad the G8 was introduced here as it is a perfect example of an
> unelected body which has a profound influence on the lives of British
> voters. Hardly surprising then that certain public spirited people
> should object to it and no more suprising that the government's police
> force should try to stop them, while the corporate media continues to
> play down such dissent.
However, all the politicians who attend the G8 are elected by their voters,
unlike you and your conies who go around wrecking other people's property
thereby causing even more pollution than if they'd left things alone.
Are you going to condemn these people who are damaging your cause Doug,
making both themselves and you look stupid?
Stephen Firth
> > I second this. A lot of the damage caused during the protests during
> > the G8 summit in scotland were not shown in detail by the UK media.
> > The extensive damage that was caused in certain areas was glossed over
> > on the national news.
> >
> As was police provocation and harassment.
Is there any chance your "argument" will ever progress beyond "tu
quoque"?
jagm...@yahoo.co.uk
> Doug wrote:
>
> > I'm glad the G8 was introduced here as it is a perfect example of an
> > unelected body which has a profound influence on the lives of British
> > voters. Hardly surprising then that certain public spirited people
> > should object to it and no more suprising that the government's police
> > force should try to stop them, while the corporate media continues to
> > play down such dissent.
>
> However, all the politicians who attend the G8 are elected by their voters,
> unlike you and your conies who go around wrecking other people's property
> thereby causing even more pollution than if they'd left things alone.
>
party which only has 21% support from the electorate.
If the paintstripper caused one less 4x4 to be bought then that would
be outweighed by a large marging the damage that would be caused by
that car.
> Are you going to condemn these people who are damaging your cause Doug,
> making both themselves and you look stupid?
We don't care how we look in the eyes of unrepentant 4x4 users such as
yourself. Soon you will be paying much more for the privilege of
driving such and environmentally unfriendly car and this makes you
look very stupid indeed.
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Brimstone
<jagm...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 20 Mar, 11:02, "Brimstone" <brimst...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>
>> > I'm glad the G8 was introduced here as it is a perfect example of an
>> > unelected body which has a profound influence on the lives of British
>> > voters. Hardly surprising then that certain public spirited people
>> > should object to it and no more suprising that the government's police
>> > force should try to stop them, while the corporate media continues to
>> > play down such dissent.
>>
>> However, all the politicians who attend the G8 are elected by their
>> voters,
>> unlike you and your conies who go around wrecking other people's property
>> thereby causing even more pollution than if they'd left things alone.
>>
> Well our PM is not chosen by the people, he was chosen by a political
> party which only has 21% support from the electorate.
Just because you're too idle to visit the polling station and put your mark
on a piece of paper doesn't mean the present incumbent wasn't elected.
>
> If the paintstripper caused one less 4x4 to be bought then that would
> be outweighed by a large marging the damage that would be caused by
> that car.
It's more likely to have the opposite effect
>
>> Are you going to condemn these people who are damaging your cause Doug,
>> making both themselves and you look stupid?
>
> We don't care how we look in the eyes of unrepentant 4x4 users such as
> yourself. Soon you will be paying much more for the privilege of
> driving such and environmentally unfriendly car and this makes you
> look very stupid indeed.
Just one minor technical problem there Doug, I don't use a 4x4. Again you
demonstrate your stupidity.
Why should farmer's and other's who have a genuine need for an offroad
vehicle be penalised simply on your say so?
nullified
>
>We don't care how we look in the eyes of unrepentant 4x4 users such as
>yourself. Soon you will be paying much more for the privilege of
>driving such and environmentally unfriendly car and this makes you
>look very stupid indeed.
Excellent. Do let us know when you next plan one of your dumb protests
Duhg as I've promised to come along. And now that we know that you
think criminal damage is okay, as long as its on something you dont
agree with, I'll make 100% sure that anyone inconvenienced by your
protests has a bit of paper with your address and a suggestion that
you should have all your windows put through :o)
After all, if someone disagrees with you living in a house, they are
within their rights to smash it up, aren't they?
Brimstone
Applying his own "logic", perhaps those who disagree with them could wreck
his pushbike as well?
JNugent
> "Doug" <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
[ ... ]
>>I'm glad the G8 was introduced here as it is a perfect example of an
>>unelected body which has a profound influence on the lives of British
>>voters.
> there are lot of unelected bodies trying to say how I can live my
> life.
George Monbiot, anyone?
I've never had a ballot paper with hs name on it.
Brimstone
"JNugent" <not.t...@noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message
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Does that mean you have seen "Doug Bollen" on a ballot paper?