Provisional entitlement to ride 125cc motorcycle
freepo
I passed my driving licence in 1988, and this allowed me at that time
to ride upto 125cc bikes with L-plates.
Then the CBT training came in I think in 1990.
My licence says Provisional entitlement
A ;
C+CE, Valid from XX/XX/XXXX to XX/XX/2014
D+DE, Valid from XX/XX/XXXX to XX/XX/2014
G+H
The A is motorcycles over 50cc with no expiry date - subject to
provisions set out in Motor Vehicle (Driving licences) Regulations,
which at the time would have no doubt specified no greater than 125cc
with some sort of KW (power) restriction aswell.
Question:
When the CBT was introduced, the regulations would have changed, but
do the changes apply retrospectively to licences held before the
introduction of CBT?
All I found was The Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations
1996
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3xdffor
Next Question:
What do the rest of my provisionals stand for and why do 2 of them
expire in 2014?
Thanks
Mrcheerful
you have a provisional for a motorcycle up to 25kw as to the cbt etc I am
out of touch
c and d are forms of lorry and bus (and with trailer is the +)
2014 is when you reach some critical age where you must be medically
inspected
The Older Gentleman
> When the CBT was introduced, the regulations would have changed, but
> do the changes apply retrospectively to licences held before the
> introduction of CBT?
Unless they were full licences, yes. And if they were full licences, you
wouldn't be worrying about CBT anyway.
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Monty
I don't understand any of it. I passed my motorcycle test in 1989 and
remember that I had to attend a short course. I recently took up biking
again and only just realised that I have a full A license.
I suspect that these days you have to take various tests according to
which bike size you want to ride.
johnmids2006
I assume you have a car licence issued in 1988.
If you want to ride a bike, then you must comply with the CBT
requirements. The fact that you passed the car test before CBT was
introduced does not exempt you from it.
C and D relate to certain sizes of goods vehicles and buses. They are
phasing in requirements relating to those and from 2014 there are
requirements to be complied with in addition to holding the licence.
Maybe the time limit is related to that. As above, it might also be
related to your age.
G is a road roller, and H a tracked vehicle.
The Older Gentleman
> I suspect that these days you have to take various tests according to
> which bike size you want to ride.
Sort of.
You only need to take one actual motorcycle test to gain access to any
motorcycle, though as you imply, there are a few different types. These
are lesser ones, like a moped test (which is worthless) or a test on a
fuly automatic bike which, like a car auto test, won't allow you to ride
a geared bike and is therefore equally useless.
Chris Bartram
> Monty<twoele...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I suspect that these days you have to take various tests according to
>> which bike size you want to ride.
>
> Sort of.
>
> You only need to take one actual motorcycle test to gain access to any
> motorcycle, though as you imply, there are a few different types. These
> are lesser ones, like a moped test (which is worthless) or a test on a
> fuly automatic bike which, like a car auto test, won't allow you to ride
> a geared bike and is therefore equally useless.
>
>
Buzby
> Are there any auto bikes, beyond mopeds/scooters?
Oddly enough, yes.
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"There's nothing more dangerous than a resourceful idiot"
wessie
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Yes. Aprilai Mana came out in 2008 using a CVT. Honda has one for the
new VFR1200.
They've been around for yonks. I took my test in 1992 and the examiner
was using an automatic CB400.
John Turner
"wessie" wrote
> They've been around for yonks. I took my test in 1992 and the examiner
> was using an automatic CB400.
I had a Moto Guzzi V1000 Convert back in the late 1970s. These had a torque
converter to provide auto transmission.
Wasn't very impressed, so didn't keep it long.
John.
M.Badger
If you take your test on an automatic 125, you'll get a 33hp limited
licence. You could get an FJR1300 auto or an Aprilia Mana and restrict
them to 33hp.
If you took your test on a Honda Silverwing superscoot, you'd not need
the restrictor.
In the classic market, there were a couple of attempts from Honda and
the Moto Guzzi Convert.
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Big Les Wade
>Monty <twoele...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I suspect that these days you have to take various tests according to
>> which bike size you want to ride.
>
>Sort of.
>
>You only need to take one actual motorcycle test to gain access to any
>motorcycle, though as you imply, there are a few different types.
Can you recommend a site that gives chapter and verse in simple terms?
--
Les
Anyone regularly attending or organising protests should expect to be of
interest to the state.
Monty
> Monty<twoele...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I suspect that these days you have to take various tests according to
>> which bike size you want to ride.
>
> Sort of.
>
> You only need to take one actual motorcycle test to gain access to any
> motorcycle, though as you imply, there are a few different types. These
> are lesser ones, like a moped test (which is worthless) or a test on a
> fuly automatic bike which, like a car auto test, won't allow you to ride
> a geared bike and is therefore equally useless.
>
>
So what is the difference between an A and an A+ license?
Mike Ross
Gentleman) wrote:
>freepo <free...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> When the CBT was introduced, the regulations would have changed, but
>> do the changes apply retrospectively to licences held before the
>> introduction of CBT?
>
>Unless they were full licences, yes. <snip>
I don't quite get this, although I've been out of the UK for some considerable
time.
Do you need to take this CBT thing in order to *get* a provisional bike license
in the UK?
If no, if it's just something you have to take as part of the test-passing
process, then clearly it would affect the OP - if he wanted to take the test and
get a full license.
If yes, then it can't affect the OP, as he *already has* a provisional license.
You have to be able to rely on what's written on an authoritative government
document, like a driving license.
Mike
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ogden
> On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:12:57 +0100, totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
> Gentleman) wrote:
>
> >freepo <free...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> When the CBT was introduced, the regulations would have changed, but
> >> do the changes apply retrospectively to licences held before the
> >> introduction of CBT?
> >
> >Unless they were full licences, yes. <snip>
>
> I don't quite get this, although I've been out of the UK for some considerable
> time.
>
> Do you need to take this CBT thing in order to *get* a provisional bike license
> in the UK?
Not quite. You can get a provisional licence just by applying for one,
but you can't ride on the road with one without having first done CBT.
Provisional licence + CBT certificate = enough to ride as a learner.
--
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ktm duke - the practical cross-town commuter
wessie
> The Older Gentleman <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> posted
>>Monty <twoele...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect that these days you have to take various tests according to
>>> which bike size you want to ride.
>>
>>Sort of.
>>
>>You only need to take one actual motorcycle test to gain access to any
>>motorcycle, though as you imply, there are a few different types.
>
> Can you recommend a site that gives chapter and verse in simple terms?
>
>
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/LearnerAndNewDrivers/RidingMotorcyclesAndMopeds/index.htm
Mrcheerful
> Mike Ross wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:12:57 +0100, totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk
>> (The Older Gentleman) wrote:
>>
>>> freepo <free...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When the CBT was introduced, the regulations would have changed,
>>>> but do the changes apply retrospectively to licences held before
>>>> the introduction of CBT?
>>>
>>> Unless they were full licences, yes. <snip>
>>
>> I don't quite get this, although I've been out of the UK for some
>> considerable time.
>>
>> Do you need to take this CBT thing in order to *get* a provisional
>> bike license in the UK?
>
> Not quite. You can get a provisional licence just by applying for one,
> but you can't ride on the road with one without having first done CBT.
>
> Provisional licence + CBT certificate = enough to ride as a learner.
but you then have to take your test within two years IIRC
ogden
Not quite. The CBT certificate expires after two years. So you either do
your test or do a CBT refresher.
wessie
news:bFNno.63725$nM1....@newsfe22.ams2:
or retake the CBT: quite a few people do this according to anecdotal
evidence from a mate that worked for MOTAG
Ian
"Buzby" <g...@pumpupthe.net> wrote in message
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> Chris Bartram wrote:
>
>> Are there any auto bikes, beyond mopeds/scooters?
>
> Oddly enough, yes.
>
Beav
"Chris Bartram" <ne...@delete-me.piglet-net.net> wrote in message
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Aprilia Mana and 850cc blob of thing and then there's that wonderful object
known as the Honda DN-01. Just two can think of off the top of my yed. Of
course, there's also the "Maxi" scooters (250cc and over) that are twist and
go if they're your thing.
--
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Beav
"Monty" <twoele...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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+
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Mrcheerful
means you can tow a trailer
Keith P
Which one the A or the +?
Petert
ISTR that Honda produced an auto CB750
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Mrcheerful
> whatever the class is . there are new regs for trailers as of a few years
> ago.
petrolcan
>
> Keith P wrote:
> > Which one the A or the +? the plus sign means you can tow a trailer with
> > whatever the class is . there are new regs for trailers as of a few years
> > ago.
So, Mrcheerful, as well as being unable to format a reply properly, you're also
a thick cunt.
Mrcheerful
well, why don't you enlighten everyone.
Mike Ross
wrote:
I remember twenty years ago one of the big bike comics was predicting the future
would be dominated by automatic, CVT, hydrostatic transmissions - a la JCB etc.
Seemed like a sensible idea to me, wonder why it never took off? Lack of
imagination perhaps.
The Older Gentleman
> Seemed like a sensible idea to me, wonder why it never took off? Lack of
> imagination perhaps.
Lack of fun, more like.
Peter Hill
wrote:
>On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 23:13:38 +0100, Petert <peter.th...@googlemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:52:31 +0100, Chris Bartram
>><ne...@delete-me.piglet-net.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On 26/09/10 18:30, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>>>> Monty<twoele...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I suspect that these days you have to take various tests according to
>>>>> which bike size you want to ride.
>>>>
>>>> Sort of.
>>>>
>>>> You only need to take one actual motorcycle test to gain access to any
>>>> motorcycle, though as you imply, there are a few different types. These
>>>> are lesser ones, like a moped test (which is worthless) or a test on a
>>>> fuly automatic bike which, like a car auto test, won't allow you to ride
>>>> a geared bike and is therefore equally useless.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Are there any auto bikes, beyond mopeds/scooters?
>>
>>
>>ISTR that Honda produced an auto CB750
>
>I remember twenty years ago one of the big bike comics was predicting the future
>would be dominated by automatic, CVT, hydrostatic transmissions - a la JCB etc.
>Seemed like a sensible idea to me, wonder why it never took off? Lack of
>imagination perhaps.
>
>Mike
No clutch just a torque converter and usually only 2 speed. They
weren't properly automatic. There was no "D", you still had to boot it
from one gear to the next.
No "lock up" on the TC so always slushy.
Drank fuel like a Kawa 500 triple.
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Ian
> Not quite. You can get a provisional licence just by applying for one,
> but you can't ride on the road with one without having first done CBT.
When I got my photocard licence, it included full motorbike riding -
although I have never done CBT, taken a motorbike test or indeed ever
ridden a motorbike.
Ian
Mike Ross
Gentleman) wrote:
>Mike Ross <mi...@corestore.org> wrote:
>
>> Seemed like a sensible idea to me, wonder why it never took off? Lack of
>> imagination perhaps.
>
>Lack of fun, more like.
Maybe a bit too... clinical? in performance? I mean CVT should be *faster*, if
there's no significant weight penalty, since the revs can stay at the optimum
position in the power/torque curve as the bike accelerates. But maybe less fun?
ogden
Lucky you.
TOG@Toil
> When I got my photocard licence, it included full motorbike riding -
> although I have never done CBT, taken a motorbike test or indeed ever
> ridden a motorbike.
>
Little Bruvver got his back with full HGV and bus entitlements added.
Jérémy
41643b...@26g2000yqv.googlegroups.com:
> When I got my photocard licence, it included full motorbike riding -
> although I have never done CBT, taken a motorbike test or indeed ever
> ridden a motorbike.
And the next step was obviously UKRM....
--
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nicknoxx
The above post supports Champ's new theory
Mark Olson
And just how far would that get him if he were involved in an accident
driving an HGV or a bus?
I suspect the fact that he had never done any training or testing to
obtain those endorsements might be of interest to someone, just as it
would be if some 'lucky' person were to get a bike endorsement without
having actually done their CBT, DAS, etc. and then proceeded to ride
as if they had.
Brimstone
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Mark Olson
Not necessarily, no. But it could be, couldn't it?
Brimstone
"Mark Olson" <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote in message
AFAIK what's printed on a licence is accepted by the courts as accurate and
if it shows entitlement to drive particular classes of vehicle then that's
enough.
Keith P
>>>>
>>> Would the lack of training be revealed in the event of such an incident?
>>
>> Not necessarily, no. But it could be, couldn't it?
>>
> By whom? The individual is unlikely to blab.
>
> AFAIK what's printed on a licence is accepted by the courts as accurate
> and if it shows entitlement to drive particular classes of vehicle then
> that's enough.
>
>
When you sign for a license you declare that the details are correct and
you have checked them.
bolta...@boltar.world
Keith P <pember...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>> AFAIK what's printed on a licence is accepted by the courts as accurate
>> and if it shows entitlement to drive particular classes of vehicle then
>> that's enough.
>>
>>
>
>When you sign for a license you declare that the details are correct and
>you have checked them.
I've never signed for a license. My current one was just delivered by normal
post.
B2003
stephen...@gonemail.com
No, it doesn't. It supports that people without 'experience' use the
term motorbike. It doesn't support that people with 'experience' don't
use the term.
Catman
Remove the word 'for' from that post.
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Brimstone
"Keith P" <pember...@talktalk.net> wrote in message
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When does one sign for a licence?
ogden
> bolta...@boltar.world wrote:
> > On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:05:19 +0100
> > Keith P <pember...@talktalk.net> wrote:
> >>> AFAIK what's printed on a licence is accepted by the courts as accurate
> >>> and if it shows entitlement to drive particular classes of vehicle then
> >>> that's enough.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> When you sign for a license you declare that the details are correct and
> >> you have checked them.
> >
> > I've never signed for a license. My current one was just delivered by normal
> > post.
>
> Remove the word 'for' from that post.
The only time I sign a licence is when I'm sending it off for a change
of details.
The licence comes pre-signed, as it were.
Mark Olson
>
> "Mark Olson" <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote in message
> news:0rWdndYGcv3KND3R...@posted.visi...
>> Brimstone wrote:
>>>
>>> "Mark Olson" <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:jq-dnWfWT-WZOz3R...@posted.visi...
>>>> TOG@Toil wrote:
>>>>> On 27 Sep, 13:23, Ian <ubergeek...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> When I got my photocard licence, it included full motorbike riding -
>>>>>> although I have never done CBT, taken a motorbike test or indeed ever
>>>>>> ridden a motorbike.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Little Bruvver got his back with full HGV and bus entitlements added.
>>>>
>>>> And just how far would that get him if he were involved in an accident
>>>> driving an HGV or a bus?
>>>>
>>>> I suspect the fact that he had never done any training or testing to
>>>> obtain those endorsements might be of interest to someone, just as it
>>>> would be if some 'lucky' person were to get a bike endorsement without
>>>> having actually done their CBT, DAS, etc. and then proceeded to ride
>>>> as if they had.
>>>>
>>> Would the lack of training be revealed in the event of such an incident?
>>
>> Not necessarily, no. But it could be, couldn't it?
>>
> By whom? The individual is unlikely to blab.
Of course not- but imagine a motorway crash involving an HGV with loss of
life, and during the ensuing police investigation it is discovered that
the driver of the HGV had no training whatsoever. Do you think at that
point, the HGV driver would get off scot-free?
> AFAIK what's printed on a licence is accepted by the courts as accurate
> and if it shows entitlement to drive particular classes of vehicle then
> that's enough.
Then I'd say what you know is dead wrong, in order to legally operate
an HGV, you need to have taken a theory test and a practical test.
Having the qualifications mistakenly printed on a bit of paper or plastic
isn't equivalent to doing that.
john wright
The Beeb has highlighted the failure of the DVLA to get people's groups
correct in a few cases when moving to photocard licences. More worrying
is when someone unexpectedly loses, say, a car entitlement when they use
a car on a daily basis.
--
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Blasphemy - a victimless crime.
Catman
> Catman wrote:
>> bolta...@boltar.world wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:05:19 +0100
>>> Keith P <pember...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>>>>> AFAIK what's printed on a licence is accepted by the courts as accurate
>>>>> and if it shows entitlement to drive particular classes of vehicle then
>>>>> that's enough.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> When you sign for a license you declare that the details are correct and
>>>> you have checked them.
>>> I've never signed for a license. My current one was just delivered by normal
>>> post.
>> Remove the word 'for' from that post.
>
> The only time I sign a licence is when I'm sending it off for a change
> of details.
>
> The licence comes pre-signed, as it were.
>
I see what you mean, although the paper one does not, does it?
Keith P
If you haven't signed your license it is invalid and you are therefore
driving without one.
ogden
Bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks.
ogden
> ogden wrote:
> > Catman wrote:
> >> bolta...@boltar.world wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:05:19 +0100
> >>> Keith P <pember...@talktalk.net> wrote:
> >>>>> AFAIK what's printed on a licence is accepted by the courts as accurate
> >>>>> and if it shows entitlement to drive particular classes of vehicle then
> >>>>> that's enough.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> When you sign for a license you declare that the details are correct and
> >>>> you have checked them.
> >>> I've never signed for a license. My current one was just delivered by normal
> >>> post.
> >> Remove the word 'for' from that post.
> >
> > The only time I sign a licence is when I'm sending it off for a change
> > of details.
> >
> > The licence comes pre-signed, as it were.
>
> I see what you mean, although the paper one does not, does it?
I think it does, though mine's in Italy with the Bonwicks atm so I can't
check.
Really, you sign the form when you apply for a licence, and you sign the
form on the licence when you send it in for changes, but you don't sign
a licence when you receive it.
ginge
<pember...@talktalk.net> wrote:
>If you haven't signed your license it is invalid and you are therefore
>driving without one.
Piffle.
Having recently renewed mine, you sign the *application form* - the
licence itself has a scan of that signature printed on it.
Pete Fisher
ogden <og...@pre.org> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
<Old Gimmer Mode>
Depends on how old your licence is.
Mine says:
IMPORTANT
Please check the details shown on your licence. If the details are
correct, sign it and keep it safe.
And I did. Though it's getting a bit dog-eared.
TBF it was issued in 1999 and it's the old UK European Communities
Model.
Haven't got a card jobbie yet. Presumably I won't unless I lose this
paper one or it 'expires' (blimey that's only 7 years away).
</OGM>
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ginge
<cat...@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>I see what you mean, although the paper one does not, does it?
The paper one, and the plastic card - same scanned signature.
Shaun
wrote:
>Hi
>
>I passed my driving licence in 1988, and this allowed me at that time
>to ride upto 125cc bikes with L-plates.
>
>Then the CBT training came in I think in 1990.
>
>My licence says Provisional entitlement
>A ;
>C+CE, Valid from XX/XX/XXXX to XX/XX/2014
>D+DE, Valid from XX/XX/XXXX to XX/XX/2014
>G+H
>
>The A is motorcycles over 50cc with no expiry date - subject to
>provisions set out in Motor Vehicle (Driving licences) Regulations,
>which at the time would have no doubt specified no greater than 125cc
>with some sort of KW (power) restriction aswell.
>
>Question:
>When the CBT was introduced, the regulations would have changed, but
>do the changes apply retrospectively to licences held before the
>introduction of CBT?
>
>All I found was The Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations
>1996
>http://preview.tinyurl.com/3xdffor
>
>Next Question:
>What do the rest of my provisionals stand for and why do 2 of them
>expire in 2014?
>
>
>Thanks
Full licences are only now issued to motorcyclists when they reach a
certain weight.
Brimstone
"Mark Olson" <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote in message
How are they going to find out? They will look at his licence, see that it
has the necessary entitlement and not bother looking further.
>> AFAIK what's printed on a licence is accepted by the courts as accurate
>> and if it shows entitlement to drive particular classes of vehicle then
>> that's enough.
>
> Then I'd say what you know is dead wrong, in order to legally operate
> an HGV, you need to have taken a theory test and a practical test.
True, but beside the point.
> Having the qualifications mistakenly printed on a bit of paper or plastic
> isn't equivalent to doing that.
>
No one said it was.
The Older Gentleman
Oh indeed. It's just that until very recently the DVLA was saying that
they didn't make mistakes and that if they lost your entitlesments
during a licence change, it was up to you to prove you had them in the
first place.
However, I bet they'd be strangely reticent if it came to acknowledging
that they'd received his certificates of bus and HGV tests....
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The Older Gentleman
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 07:02:12 +0100, totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
> Gentleman) wrote:
>
> >Mike Ross <mi...@corestore.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Seemed like a sensible idea to me, wonder why it never took off? Lack of
> >> imagination perhaps.
> >
> >Lack of fun, more like.
>
> Maybe a bit too... clinical? in performance? I mean CVT should be *faster*, if
> there's no significant weight penalty, since the revs can stay at the optimum
> position in the power/torque curve as the bike accelerates.
Nonsense. Otherwise every race bike (and car) would be a CVT automatic.
> But maybe less fun?
Definitely. Drivers of 'ordinary' cars don't get the fact that
gearchanging is one of the pleasures of riding a bike.
The Older Gentleman
> AFAIK what's printed on a licence is accepted by the courts as accurate and
> if it shows entitlement to drive particular classes of vehicle then that's
> enough.
Only as prima facie evidence and if subsequent enquiries or revelations
show otherwise, then they don't.
Example: if you haven't updated your address details.
The Older Gentleman
> f you haven't signed your license it is invalid and you are therefore
> driving without one.
Bollocks.
The Older Gentleman
> No clutch just a torque converter and usually only 2 speed. They
> weren't properly automatic. There was no "D", you still had to boot it
> from one gear to the next.
Actually, you could leave the Hondas (and the Guzzi) in the higher ratio
all the time. But it was a bit slower to take off, as it were.
>
> No "lock up" on the TC so always slushy.
>
> Drank fuel like a Kawa 500 triple.
And no engine braking so wore out brake pads like they were made of
plastic.
Mark Olson
> Mike Ross <mi...@corestore.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 07:02:12 +0100, totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
>> Gentleman) wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Ross <mi...@corestore.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Seemed like a sensible idea to me, wonder why it never took off? Lack of
>>>> imagination perhaps.
>>> Lack of fun, more like.
>> Maybe a bit too... clinical? in performance? I mean CVT should be *faster*, if
>> there's no significant weight penalty, since the revs can stay at the optimum
>> position in the power/torque curve as the bike accelerates.
>
> Nonsense. Otherwise every race bike (and car) would be a CVT automatic.
>
>> But maybe less fun?
>
> Definitely. Drivers of 'ordinary' cars don't get the fact that
> gearchanging is one of the pleasures of riding a bike.
One of the aforementioned 'automatics' in this thread, the FJR1300AE (or AS
as you folk get it) has an auto clutch, but gear changes (and it has a real
gearbox, not a psuedo-discrete set of ratios in a CVT) are done via your
left toe or pushbuttons on the left grip, similar to paddle shifters on an
F1 car.
So you still get the manual gearbox experience, just no clutch to faff with
(it has a regular multiplate clutch too, just operated by an electric
motor under computer control).
CT
> Only as prima facie evidence and if subsequent enquiries or
> revelations show otherwise, then they don't.
>
> Example: if you haven't updated your address details.
Yeah, I got a bollocking from the magistrate for that.
--
Chris
Cab
> > >> When you sign for a license you declare that the details are
> > correct and >> you have checked them.
> > >
> > > I've never signed for a license. My current one was just
> > > delivered by normal post.
> >
> > Remove the word 'for' from that post.
>
> The only time I sign a licence is when I'm sending it off for a
> change of details.
>
> The licence comes pre-signed, as it were.
What do you mean by that? My photo licence has my signature printed
(from a scan of the original) on it and so does the counterpart.
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Cab
> On 27 Sep, 13:23, Ian <ubergeek...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > When I got my photocard licence, it included full motorbike riding -
> > although I have never done CBT, taken a motorbike test or indeed
> > ever ridden a motorbike.
> >
>
> Little Bruvver got his back with full HGV and bus entitlements added.
SWMBO got a full bike licence when she exchanged her French licence for
a UK one.
Cab
> > If you haven't signed your license it is invalid and you are
> > therefore driving without one.
>
> Bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks.
This is UKRM and posts don't have to be accurate. QED.
ogden
> ogden wibbled forthrightly:
>
> > > >> When you sign for a license you declare that the details are
> > > correct and >> you have checked them.
> > > >
> > > > I've never signed for a license. My current one was just
> > > > delivered by normal post.
> > >
> > > Remove the word 'for' from that post.
> >
> > The only time I sign a licence is when I'm sending it off for a
> > change of details.
> >
> > The licence comes pre-signed, as it were.
>
> What do you mean by that? My photo licence has my signature printed
> (from a scan of the original) on it and so does the counterpart.
Exactly what I mean. The licence comes with your signature already on
it. "Pre-signed, as it were".
ogden
> ogden wibbled forthrightly:
>
> > > If you haven't signed your license it is invalid and you are
> > > therefore driving without one.
> >
> > Bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks.
>
> This is UKRM and posts don't have to be accurate. QED.
We already have one CRN, we don't need another.
Beav
"Mark Olson" <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote in message
news:oYKdne0WHbCAKD3R...@posted.visi...
It depends on when the driver got his license. If it was before (IIRC) 1969,
there was no training required to get the HGV on your license, just being 21
or over and having driven one for the 6 months preceding the date of the
change in 1969 when a test was introduced for HGV PSV as it was once known,
was enough.
--
Beav
Andy Bonwick
I'd have taken a bollocking instead of the fine I ended up with after
taking the piss out of a cop for half an hour until he found something
he could nick me for.
The Older Gentleman
> Cab wrote:
> > ogden wibbled forthrightly:
> >
> > > > If you haven't signed your license it is invalid and you are
> > > > therefore driving without one.
> > >
> > > Bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks.
> >
> > This is UKRM and posts don't have to be accurate. QED.
>
> We already have one CRN, we don't need another.
Groundhog Day, is it?
ogden
> ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:
>
> > Cab wrote:
> > > ogden wibbled forthrightly:
> > >
> > > > > If you haven't signed your license it is invalid and you are
> > > > > therefore driving without one.
> > > >
> > > > Bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks.
> > >
> > > This is UKRM and posts don't have to be accurate. QED.
> >
> > We already have one CRN, we don't need another.
>
> Groundhog Day, is it?
Not that I'm aware of. Why?
Beav
"The Older Gentleman" <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1jphr31.1wuvc8fw633y6N%totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk...
> Oh indeed. It's just that until very recently the DVLA was saying that
> they didn't make mistakes and that if they lost your entitlesments
> during a licence change, it was up to you to prove you had them in the
> first place.
>
> However, I bet they'd be strangely reticent if it came to acknowledging
> that they'd received his certificates of bus and HGV tests....
Absolutely. It'd be a classic case of "Heads I'm right and tails, you're
wrong"
--
Beav
Beav
"petrolcan" <petr...@SPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2709dcfdd...@news.virginmedia.com...
> In article <4JPno.63732$nM1....@newsfe22.ams2>, Mrcheerful says...
>>
>> Keith P wrote:
>
>> > Which one the A or the +? the plus sign means you can tow a trailer
>> > with
>> > whatever the class is . there are new regs for trailers as of a few
>> > years
>> > ago.
>
>
> So, Mrcheerful, as well as being unable to format a reply properly, you're
> also
> a thick cunt.
At first, I thought it was a typical piss take reply, but then I wondered
"Did he *really* fucking mean that"?
--
Beav
Beav
"petrolcan" <petr...@SPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2709dcfdd...@news.virginmedia.com...
> In article <4JPno.63732$nM1....@newsfe22.ams2>, Mrcheerful says...
>>
>> Keith P wrote:
>
>> > Which one the A or the +? the plus sign means you can tow a trailer
>> > with
>> > whatever the class is . there are new regs for trailers as of a few
>> > years
>> > ago.
>
>
> So, Mrcheerful, as well as being unable to format a reply properly, you're
> also
> a thick cunt.
Oh aye Mr petrolcan, why'd you remove the bike group from your list of cross
posts?
--
Beav
Beav
"Shaun" <shaun.ja...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:4ca0c22c...@news.virginmedia.com...
So every septic has a bike license? I find that almost frightening.
--
Beav
Thomas
>
>
> I'd have taken a bollocking instead of the fine I ended up with after
> taking the piss out of a cop for half an hour until he found something
> he could nick me for.
Lemme guess, you were 18 at the time? One would think you'd have
learned that lesson by _this_ time.
***Never argue with people with guns or people who can put you in
prison.***
CT
I didn't get the bollocking in lieu of anything else - I also got an
18-month ban and a fine.
--
Chris
Cab
>
> "Buzby" <g...@pumpupthe.net> wrote in message
> news:8g9g0i...@mid.individual.net...
> > Chris Bartram wrote:
> >
> > > Are there any auto bikes, beyond mopeds/scooters?
> >
> > Oddly enough, yes.
> >
> There are bikes with reverse gears too.
And shafties that wheelie.
Andy Bonwick
wrote:
>On Sep 28, 10:08 am, Andy Bonwick <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'd have taken a bollocking instead of the fine I ended up with after
>> taking the piss out of a cop for half an hour until he found something
>> he could nick me for.
>
>Lemme guess, you were 18 at the time? One would think you'd have
>learned that lesson by _this_ time.
>
Nope, I was about 25 and I'd still take the piss out of a cop who'd
pulled me over if I thought he'd got nothing he could nick me for.
Oily
"Andy Bonwick" wrote:
Reminds me of when the helmet law came into force. I don't usually ride at
that speed but I was only doing about 25/30 in a built up area, just
tootling along, and this police Transit pulled me in, nearly knocked me off.
A young and fresh-faced copper got out, must have been all of eighteen,
stuck his thumbs in his lapels and walked three circuits round me and the
bike. He then stopped, looked me in the eye and said, "You're not wearing a
helmet" to which I replied, " What's this then?" pointing at mine. He then
whipped his book of words out, quoted a load of crap from it and said, "
It's not fastened, so technically you're not wearing it, you are assuming
so, it's for your own protection so you don't damage your head". So I
said, "according to that then, nowhere does it say I should wear it on my
head, you are assuming so, and if put on my dick but fasten it, then I'm
ok". He swore at me then and I said, "There's no need for that, you're not
too old to be put over my knee and given a good spanking" to which he came
out with a mouthful that suprised even me, and I said "I'd better make a
note of your collar number". He jumped in his van and shot off and I passed
him further up the road pissing myself laughing, still with the helmet
straps flapping about. Makes your day. :)