Police cars exempt from road tax?
dave F
police force pointed out they are actually exempt from the licence scheme
but they like to *set a good example*.
So is it true Police cars are exempt from road tax?
Peter
Crown vehicles used to be - certainly GPO owned vehicles. That changed
at some point in the early 70's I think. Not too sure about plods
vehicles though.
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JNugent
> <dave...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> Spotted a story about a Police car not having a valid road tax and
>> the police force pointed out they are actually exempt from the
>> licence scheme but they like to *set a good example*.
>> So is it true Police cars are exempt from road tax?
> Crown vehicles used to be - certainly GPO owned vehicles. That changed
> at some point in the early 70's I think. Not too sure about plods
> vehicles though.
Crown vehicles are exempt from road tax (and are not usually even insured,
since the Treasury can meet any claims, and there is provision in the RTAs
for a large cash deposit to be made at the High Court in leu of insurance).
That certainly applies to (say) Customs and Excise vehicles. If you think
about it, what is the point of the Crown paying road tax to the Crown?
Police cars are not "Crown vehicles" - police forces are theoretically run
locally, so perhaps the Crown road tax exemption doesn't apply (though the
insurance provision certainly does).
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if you look closely, the amount paid is £0.00) I suspect that police
and fire service operational vehicles are also exempt.
Stuart
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You are correct they have a tax disk but no duty is paid.
Nick Finnigan
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> Crown vehicles are exempt from road tax (and are not usually even insured,
> since the Treasury can meet any claims, and there is provision in the RTAs
The cash deposit only applies for the owner of the vehicle.
But police (etc.) are completely exempt:
http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/Ukpga_19880052_en_7.htm#mdiv144
Nick Finnigan
http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1994/Ukpga_19940022_en_8.htm#sdiv2
has the list of exemptions, mainly emergency and maintenance vehicles,
but not police.
Joanne
IIRC Police vehicles don't need MOT's..
derek
>Peter wrote:
>
>> <dave...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>> Spotted a story about a Police car not having a valid road tax and
>>> the police force pointed out they are actually exempt from the
>>> licence scheme but they like to *set a good example*.
>
>>> So is it true Police cars are exempt from road tax?
>
>> Crown vehicles used to be - certainly GPO owned vehicles. That changed
>> at some point in the early 70's I think. Not too sure about plods
>> vehicles though.
>
>Crown vehicles are exempt from road tax (and are not usually even insured,
>since the Treasury can meet any claims, and there is provision in the RTAs
>for a large cash deposit to be made at the High Court in leu of insurance).
>That certainly applies to (say) Customs and Excise vehicles.
AIUI HMC&E tax their vehicles (some at least!) although they don't
have to, in the interests of not revealing covert operations.
DG
Alasdair Baxter
wrote:
>JNugent <JNu...@AC30.freeofspamserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Crown vehicles are exempt from road tax (and are not usually even insured,
>> since the Treasury can meet any claims, and there is provision in the RTAs
>> for a large cash deposit to be made at the High Court in leu of insurance).
>
>the deposit has to be made witht he office of th eAttorney General IIRC
>not the High Court.
It is actually the "Comptroller General of the Supreme Court"
>It used to be £500,000 which is actually cheaper
>than the insurance premium that would be needed to cover all the drivers
>for an organisation as large as (say) the Home Office or MoD.
Up until relatively recently, it was just £15,000 for a car and
£600,000 for a bus. The figures were set in 1930.
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Alasdair Baxter
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>http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1994/Ukpga_19940022_en_8.htm#sdiv2
>has the list of exemptions, mainly emergency and maintenance vehicles,
>but not police.
What about vehicles exempt from duty under subsection 6 of section 6
of the Finance Act 1936 -- vehicles which cover no more than 6 miles
in a calendar week. This normally applies to fork-lift trucks which
cross the road between premises owned by the same company.
Peter
No, the above indicates that the Police & Ambulance services are
exempt from having to pay for VED, not that they're exempt from having
a VED - similiarly, people who are eligible for mobility allowance
have to pay nothing for their VED, although in order to obtain a VED
disc they have to produce a valid MOT certificate and a valid
certificate of insurance.
Adrian
they were saying :
> No, the above indicates that the Police & Ambulance services are
> exempt from having to pay for VED, not that they're exempt from having
> a VED - similiarly, people who are eligible for mobility allowance
> have to pay nothing for their VED, although in order to obtain a VED
> disc they have to produce a valid MOT certificate and a valid
> certificate of insurance.
Same as for "Historic Vehicle" classic cars, then.
Nick Finnigan
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> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:01:48 +0100, "Nick Finnigan" <n...@genie.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1994/Ukpga_19940022_en_8.htm#sdiv2
> >has the list of exemptions, mainly emergency and maintenance vehicles,
> >but not police.
>
> What about vehicles exempt from duty under subsection 6 of section 6
> of the Finance Act 1936 -- vehicles which cover no more than 6 miles
> in a calendar week. This normally applies to fork-lift trucks which
> cross the road between premises owned by the same company.
Still there in the 1994 Act; 6 miles a week between different
pieces of land occupied by the applicant for a (nil) licence.
Peter
John
I seem to recall that Trolley Buses were expensive due to the fact they
didn't pay fuel tax. Is this correct.
...then there are travellers vehicles that don't pay because the police
can't be bothered to pursue it!
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Peter
>Isn't there also a category for "Showman's Vehicle" - based on low mileage?
Not sure if that still exists - the reduced rate VED for hackney
carriages certainly disappeared a few years ago.
>
>I seem to recall that Trolley Buses were expensive due to the fact they
>didn't pay fuel tax. Is this correct.
I don't understand that - trolley buses were electrically propelled -
why would they be more expensive?
A few years ago electrically propelled vehicles were made exempt from
VED, but I understand Brown has put a stop to that
>
>...then there are travellers vehicles that don't pay because the police
>can't be bothered to pursue it!
Along with insurance etc.
Stuart
>
> ...then there are travellers vehicles that don't pay because the police
> can't be bothered to pursue it!
>
Have done a few myself during ANPR's can't speak for everyone mind :)
Ian Henden
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> >
> > ...then there are travellers vehicles that don't pay because the police
> > can't be bothered to pursue it!
> >
>
> Have done a few myself during ANPR's can't speak for everyone mind :)
Really?? do tell us ...... did they have "permanent addresses"? is ther a
higher incidence of not bothering with frivolities like
tax/insurance/MOT/*operators licences for their tarmac wagons*/etc? or os it
just an urbane myth?
:o)
>
>
Nick Finnigan
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> Isn't there also a category for "Showman's Vehicle" - based on low mileage?
Showmen and farmers had a reduced rate in 1993,
which I expect is still in force.
> I seem to recall that Trolley Buses were expensive due to the fact they
> didn't pay fuel tax. Is this correct.
Electrically propelled vehicles are VED exempt,
whether externally supplied or from a storage battery.
Any vehicle used on tram lines is exempt.
I'm sure they'll be something to stop just anyone
putting a vehicle on Blackpool's tram lines though
Acrosticus
>Date: 08/06/2004 18:57 GMT Daylight Time
>No, the above indicates that the Police & Ambulance services are
>exempt from having to pay for VED, not that they're exempt from having
>a VED
Things may have changed from the time I worked for the ambulance service (then
we were a direct department of the NHS; ambulance trusts hadn't been invented
at the time), but none of our vehicles had vehicle excise discs then, instead
they carried a "Crown exemption" certificate signed by our Chief Administrative
Officer.
The position with ambulances is a bit complex because privately owned ones are
exempt from vehicle excise duty too as long as their equipment includes a
Furley stretcher and they have a valid MoT whatever their age. They then
display a disc showing duty paid Ł00.00 (like classic cars).
I don't know enough about the position with Police vehicles to comment on their
VED position, but the maintenance of our local ones is appalling: the number I
see with only one stop light or rear light working is amazing.
LBJA
> if you look closely, the amount paid is £0.00) I suspect that police
> and fire service operational vehicles are also exempt.
>
They are on Ambulances itstead of PLG it says Ambulance and then the
by the £ it says NIL, this applies to both Private and NHS ambulances,
on fire engines it says Fire and £ NIL, again this applies to both
private (factories, airfieds, etc) fire engines and local authorty
ones, I have seen police was with the word Police instead of PLG on
thier tax discs and the £ NIL, so it seems police are also exempt,
this of course is only for official police cars as your not allowed
private police cars!
Brimstone
Surely a car with police markings for film and TV is a private police car of
a sort? :-)
(For the humourless pedants amongst us, I do realise it will probably be
taxed PLG.)
anonymous coward
> LBJA wrote:
>>> Well, as ambulances are zero rated for VED (they display a disk, but
>>> if you look closely, the amount paid is Ł0.00) I suspect that police
>>> and fire service operational vehicles are also exempt.
>>>
>>
>> They are on Ambulances itstead of PLG it says Ambulance and then the
>> by the Ł it says NIL, this applies to both Private and NHS ambulances,
>> on fire engines it says Fire and Ł NIL, again this applies to both
>> private (factories, airfieds, etc) fire engines and local authorty
>> ones, I have seen police was with the word Police instead of PLG on
>> thier tax discs and the Ł NIL, so it seems police are also exempt,
>> this of course is only for official police cars as your not allowed
>> private police cars!
>
> Surely a car with police markings for film and TV is a private police car of
> a sort? :-)
>
> (For the humourless pedants amongst us, I do realise it will probably be
> taxed PLG.)
Don't worry, the humourless pedants will be too busy scouring every film
ever made for police cars with PLG tax discs. They will then report their
findings to websites devoted to movie anomalies.
AC
nightjar
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Yet another thing to look for on films and TV, along with whether the cars
have interior mirrors and, for films, the end of reel markers.
Colin Bignell
Alasdair Baxter
>this of course is only for official police cars as your not allowed
>private police cars!
It depends on how "police" is defined in the relevant legislation.
There are quasi private police forces such as British Transport
Police, Airport Police and so on. Some institutions such as
universities have private police forces which do not have statutory
police powers and then there is the famous York Minster Police.
Mark Hewitt
> On 25 Jun 2004 07:24:08 -0700, lb...@ukc.ac.uk (LBJA) wrote:
>
> >this of course is only for official police cars as your not allowed
> >private police cars!
>
> It depends on how "police" is defined in the relevant legislation.
> There are quasi private police forces such as British Transport
> Police, Airport Police and so on. Some institutions such as
> universities have private police forces which do not have statutory
> police powers and then there is the famous York Minster Police.
I guess if the police authority in question has legal powers of arrest, then
it's a proper police force in the same was as any local constabluary. So BTP
and Airport police would qualify. University police would not.
Nick Finnigan
>
> >this of course is only for official police cars as your not allowed
> >private police cars!
>
> It depends on how "police" is defined in the relevant legislation.
Police is not defined in the relevent legislation.
http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1994/Ukpga_19940022_en_8.htm#sdiv2
(Ambulance is, and private ambulances are exempt).
Alasdair Baxter
<ma...@markhewittDotCoDotUk.spammers.will.die> wrote:
>I guess if the police authority in question has legal powers of arrest, then
>it's a proper police force in the same was as any local constabluary. So BTP
>and Airport police would qualify. University police would not.
Any member of the public can arrest someone committing a crime. The
difference is that the police can arrest on "reasonable suspicion" of
someone committing a crime.