To VOIP or not ; SIPGATE or NOT ; LINKSYS ATA OR NOT - bogged down with info :-(

[satyp]

Good afternoon all

I'm new to the VOIP, the VOIP @HOME world and also new on here, & so much information to consider..

Would appreciate any feedback, pointers, watchouts, or pitfalls before I take the big leap porting to VOIP in about a month's time.


For My provider :- I think I have settled with SIPGATE for the moment, with VOIPFONE as my next best choice if SIPGATE doesn't work out.

Question with Regards to SIPGATE

I haven't yet completed the registration as it required me to pick a local number 1st and I was hoping to also PORT my 10 year old landline number that's been with BT initially and then various other providers since, and now rests with Virgin Media.

As it has been hard to get a response from SIPGATE on a couple points, I just wanted to put it on here to see if anyone here has had a similar start. So just want to know, if anyone knows what to expect
If I go ahead and register for a NEW FREE number from SIPGATE, do I then have to pay anything for keeping that number on an ongoing monthly basis both for that new number and any numbers I "PORT" over in the future?

I was also hoping any numbers I have or ported over don't expire or disappear even If I don't use them that frequently. I know they is a ONE OFF fee to port them "TO" Sipgate and also another fee to port numbers "FROM" Sipgate to another PROVIDER if I ever decided to move away from them.

As I understand it, I can then choose sipgate basic and decide to bolt any additional packages/services plans etc to it.?



WHICH VOIP ATA's ??

There appears to be a lot talk of LINKSYS/CISCO SPA's (ATA's)

I know from a few searches that..

PAP2T was succeeded by SPA112 (not too long ago)
SPA2102 was succeeded by SPA122

But there is also a lot negative talk i.e buggy firmwares, restarting of the certain SPA ATA's etc. I'm sure that comes with many products today.
Are there Folk here using using either SPA112 OR SPA122 without issue? The use case will just be for a simple HOME/OFFICE situation


Lastly,


OTHER SIP NUMBERS with Draytel

I also had some incoming landline numbers with DRAYTEL that I had paid years ago, however not sure of the benefit of porting them just yet, or if there is any benefit at all, as I will need to pay again, not not of SIPGATE charges currently. The numbers used as an alias to point to an existing landline - not used any longer. My instinct says to leave where they are. Is there anyone aware of any benefits of bring them to SIPGATE that are not obvious right away.


Would really appreciate any pointers or thoughts on some of these points.

Thanks in advance

Rgds

[Bob Eager]

On Fri, 07 Oct 2016 04:35:20 -0700, satyp wrote:

> WHICH VOIP ATA's ??
>
> There appears to be a lot talk of LINKSYS/CISCO SPA's (ATA's)
>
> I know from a few searches that..
>
> PAP2T was succeeded by SPA112 (not too long ago)
> SPA2102 was succeeded by SPA122
>
> But there is also a lot negative talk i.e buggy firmwares, restarting of
> the certain SPA ATA's etc. I'm sure that comes with many products today.
> Are there Folk here using using either SPA112 OR SPA122 without issue?
> The use case will just be for a simple HOME/OFFICE situation

I've used a number of Sipura/Linksys/Cisco ATAs. They have all been
trouble free (apart from a minor point, see below). And other Cisco VoIP
products.

I started with a Sipura SPA2000 (I think). Two FXS lines. That was for
evaluation and it was fine. I did nothing for a couple of years, though.

Linksys assimilated Sipura but kept the interfaces pretty well the same.
I have an SPA 3102; one FXS, one FXO (the latter for the existing phone
line, to integrate that number).

Then I got an SPA8000 (eight FXS lines). Worked fine, but it went through
fans and became noisy; I got fed up with replacing them. And it got very
hot.

So I moved to (almost) VoIP-only. Replaced ALL the phones with SPA301 and
SPA303 IP phones. Removed the SPA8000 and SPA2000. Kept the SPA3102 for
the outside line, and I also use the FXS port to drive a bell in the
garden.

Really very little trouble. And I wrote scripts to program them (via XML
files on a TFTP server).

[satyp]

That's' really good to know, at least narrowing it down to stick with the SPA family..

But Blimey, just found the link below looking for the SPA8000 in your response, sure is a lot of kit out there

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/unified-communications/small-business-voice-gateways-ata/models-listing.html


Will be sift through the comparisons at some point, nice one Bob

Cheers
Thanks

[Woody]

"satyp" <saty...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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You don't say if you are a private or business user. If the former
Sipgate does not charge for the service and will issue you a local
number unless you request otherwise.

You don't need to have an ATA - just get a SIP networked phone, there
are thousands on eBay such as those by Yealink. Do make sure however
that if it is PoE (Power over Ethernet) it either has a PoE adapter
with it or that it will take a plug-top PSU which should be supplied.


--
Woody

harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com

[satyp]

oops had registered another email, just realised..


Hi Woody,

Awesome, tanks a bundle, just the confirmation I was looking for, I will be classed as private use, mainly incoming as heavy on mobile use. Will go ahead and complete the SIPGATE registration, just wasn't sure If I would end paying for a freely registration and the Virgin one that I will eventually port.

I do have a some POE NETGEAR switches so will stick with VOIP phones. I read about a lot of folk using one provider on one port of the ATA and another provider like SIPGATE on the other port so it all threw me off.

Will check with my alarm and see it would supports VOIP callout, in which, I'd imagine I need an ATA.


Thanks again for all the input Woody, .. hopefully all smooth sailing in the end.

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per Bob Eager:

> Kept the SPA3102 for
>the outside line, and I also use the FXS port to drive a bell in the
>garden.

+1 for the 3102.

I don't know enough to judge it against others, but it has been
trouble-free for me the past several years.

OTOH, the fact that somebody at my level of ignorance was able to
configure/use it also says something in it's favor.
--
Pete Cresswell

[Woody]

Some useful info for the OP in no particular order:

When you have signed up with Sipgate you can go to their web site,
click on Help, and it will take you (possibly after a few more clicks)
to a page that lists many types of ATAs and SIP-phones and gives you
their configs.

If you don't have a SIP-phone or ATA but want to try out the service
you can download X-Phone free of charge from their site which, when
you look into its config, you will find is already set up for your
account. You only need a mic/loudspeaker or a headset with boom mic
plugged into you PC to be able to receive calls or to make free calls
to other Sipgate users if you have not installed any credit. Just
ensure that X-Phone is not set to self-boot at PC startup or it will
completely cock up your system when you try to use the ATA.

Another VoIP software interface is Phonerlite which is also free and I
have found works very well.

A word of caution: if you use either X-Phone or Phonerlite avoid the
temptation to use a USB handset. VoIP often only uses one channel of
the stereo pair, and if the USB handset is configured (fixed) to work
on the other channel then you will have outgoing audio but no incoming
(the opposite of the Stun problem explained below.)

If you have a smartphone you can download CSIPSimple or SIPdroid
(Android) or Zoiper (iOS) and configure them so that you can use your
smartphone to make calls over wi-fi via Sipgate. You will then find
how little info is actually needed in the config to make VoIP work.
Just make sure it is stopped when you use your ATA or whatever.

A useful advantage of using such access however is that if, say, you
are on hols in Europe and have access to decent free wi-fi, you can
make calls from there at UK rates (roughly 1p/min to any UK number or
2p/min to most other countries) and it shows your UK number on CLI. I
say decent free wi-fi as many free providers - such as IME most
Mairie's offices in France - block everything bar Internet surfing as
the service is often provided by a telephone company (e.g. Orange
France) which means they loose revenue if you use VoIP. (They don't
even allow e-mail clients - you have no option but to use webmail!)
Having said that I have never found such blocking on any wi-fi in a
Tourist Information Office.

A useful advantage of ATAs is that they store the config in
non-volatile memory so it is never lost unless you press the reset
button.

Most ATAs are set by default for the US market, so you get US ring
cadences and US earpiece tones. A bit of Googling will bring up the
data you need to enter to get UK dial/engaged tones and UK ringing
cadences.

I suggested in an earlier post to get a SIP-phone but they have their
problems. Some of them (Grandstream excepted for instance) will not
let you change the ring cadences or earpiece tones so you end up with
the US version. If you have an ATA and connect a standard (BT-type) UK
phone to it then with the correct config you will get full UK-style
operation as if it were on a BT line.

You will not need to make any changes to your router config - the ATA
will just work once configured. I have a Sepura SPA2102 which has its
own router built in and is suggested to be fitted between you incoming
broadband modem and any router you use. Mine just sits on an a LAN
port of my router/switch. You may however have to play with turning
Stun on or off especially if you get one-way audio (usually incoming
works but outgoing does not.)

[Sepura was taken over by Linksys who in turn were taken over by
Cisco, but their management had the good sense to retain the existing
browser interfaces - which are very similar anyway. If you can find
any you can also use ex-Vonage ATAs but you need to unlock them first
and they are a little more idiosyncratic to set up.]

Finally there is an option to auto-insert dialling codes etc - it is
called preselection. With VoIP you MUST always dial the full UK number
including dialling code, but you can make the unit auto-insert the
dialling code if you dial only the number for a local call. This will
overcome any possibility of someone other than yourself making a local
call and not realising that the dialling code is necessary. It also
sets up 112/999 dialling to work correctly but note that you must
enter your details on the Sipgate web site so that if the emergency
service does a search against your number it will come up with your
address correctly.

Sipgate has dial-up testing: 10000 will confirm that you are
connected; 10005 will allow you to check audio both ways by using an
automatic answerphone-type system; 10020 will allow you to test DTMF
dialling from your keypad. Note that this may not work if you have set
up preselection depending on what that preselection contains.

To the OP, if you want a copy of the UK ringing cadences, UK earpice
tone settings, or preselection data contact me off group.

[Bob Eager]

On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 22:37:31 +0100, Woody wrote:

> I suggested in an earlier post to get a SIP-phone but they have their
> problems. Some of them (Grandstream excepted for instance) will not let
> you change the ring cadences or earpiece tones so you end up with the US
> version. I

The Cisco SPA301 and SPA303 (and some others in the range) certainly
allow cadences to be changed.

We use several cadences here - an urgent one for the doorbell, and each
household member has their own (the Morse code for their initial!)

[cezar]

On 07/10/2016 12:35, satyp wrote:
WHICH VOIP ATA's ??
>
> There appears to be a lot talk of LINKSYS/CISCO SPA's (ATA's)

I would also suggest looking at Obihai devices. They are just 21st
century version of Linksys/Cisco ones (developed by group of the same
people)

c.

[Woody]

"Bob Eager" <news...@eager.cx> wrote in message
news:e5tap7...@mid.individual.net...

Are the 301 and 303 not ATA's? I know ATA's will allow cadence
changes, but many Sip-phones (of which I was talking) will not.

[Malcolm Loades]

On 07/10/2016 12:35, satyp wrote:
>

> Good afternoon all
>
> I'm new to the VOIP, the VOIP @HOME world and also new on here, & so much information to consider..
>
> Would appreciate any feedback, pointers, watchouts, or pitfalls before I take the big leap porting to VOIP in about a month's time.

I've waited to see what others have contributed before posting what is a
slightly different opinion to the majority. I currently have both
Sipgate and Voipfone numbers as well as voip.co.uk (currently they
aren't accepting new residential customers)

> As it has been hard to get a response from SIPGATE on a couple points,

That for me is biggest difference. The only method of contacting
Sipgate is via email which can take days to be answered if you're lucky,
but ...... hey ho the service is totally free. The current Sipgate
Residential service has had features stripped from it over the past few
years and I wonder what may happen to it next and how much anyone could
complain about anything when they're not paying a penny for the service?

Voipfone service is exceptional. I haven't bothered with emailing them
since the phone is always answered promptly by someone with good
knowledge. Yes, it costs £2.40 per month but to me it's worth every
penny. If my Sipgate number really mattered I'd port it to Voipfone
immediately, but since it's not so important I leave it with Sipgate at
nil cost and virtually nil support.

> WHICH VOIP ATA's ??
>
> There appears to be a lot talk of LINKSYS/CISCO SPA's (ATA's)
>
> I know from a few searches that..
>
> PAP2T was succeeded by SPA112 (not too long ago)
> SPA2102 was succeeded by SPA122
>

I don't use an ATA, I have a Fritz!Box
https://en.avm.de/products/fritzbox/router with built in telephony.
It's certainly superior to any ATA in the total number of providers to
which it can simultaneously be registered. I'm not sure of the limit
but currently mine is registered with 6 providers - Sipgate, Voipfone.
voip.co.uk and 3 Betamax companies. The benefit to this is that
outgoing call routeing rules can be written to use the lowest cost of
these 6 connections for each call. One Betamax company may offer the
lowest landline calls to a specific country but another has a better
mobile rate. 0844, 0870 etc call costs in the UK vary from provider to
provider so again calls can be routed via the lowest cost provider.

Hope this helps.

Malcolm

[Bob Eager]

No, they are SIP phones. And they have the same web and XML interfaces as
the Cisco/Linksys/Sipura ATAs.

[Bob Eager]

I should also add that I am sure about this; this house has ten of them!

[Woody]

"Malcolm Loades" <dev...@loades.net> wrote in message
news:e5ugd8...@mid.individual.net...

I too have Sipgate and voip.co.uk (which is by far the better of the
two IMO.)

I was setting up VoIP on Sipgate for my elderly father-in-law (who has
a habit of not clearing his BT line) so that we could call him if
necessary - he only ever has his mobile switched on when he is away
from home. It was at the time that Sipgate were starting to take
residential users again after a six month (or so) period when it
looked like they were going to cease the service altogether. I was one
of the first in so the config and facilities available were exactly
the same as my existing service and set-up was therefore quite easy.

My daughter (and family) use VM for B/B and phone service and were
getting so many spam calls that they disconnected the phone and use
mobiles only. Calls from us to them by landline are thus expensive, so
I set up a VoIP ATA for her on Sipgate as well a couple of months
later - and I ran into a problem clearly on the Sipgate server config.
I tried e-mailing but apart from the usual acceptance mail I got
nothing, and the issue was so blatant that many others must have had
the same problem, so I went digging.

It did not take long to find that there is a support landline number
for business customers, so I rang it. I was answered within a few
rings and I explained the situation. The guy at the other end was not
familiar with the residential service but he promised to pass on my
complaint. I never got a call back or mail from them, but in a matter
of hours later the problem had been resolved.

So it does help to be persistent sometimes?

[satyp]

Hi Woody,

A lot info to disget, endless possibilties from the sounds of things non here.

I'm already undergone "information overload" on the VOIP possibilties.


For the moment, I have now got SIPGATE registrered with a ZOIPER on the android, will try some of the other (soft phone)suggestions on in due course.

My primary reason to VOIP is to steer away from tradtional landline lock-in that operate in the in UK even today, with OFCOM still sittng tight on tight on the issue. I am all for paying BT or other comapanies a nominal fee per month around £5-£6 for any up keepping of the LAST MILE copper line on BROADBAND only and letting the customer decide if they want to PAY £20pm + broadband on TOP (now with most providers) LINE RENTAL for a basic landline service. On that note, Mission Accomplished as I'd rather pay £20 toward a better VOIP service.


Nxt task is to order a VOIP phone as to get me started and possibly an ATA down th eorad , as I quite sure there will be short learning curve attached to using one and that would mean dedcating more time to it. Might look into those Obihai devices someone jus mentioned on here.

Next on the list would be figuring out routing between low cost providers, as that do away with decision of what accounts to dial with what numbers , so I think thats a huge benefit and an effective way of managing the cost of talking in the best possible way, I'd imagine.


This should getting me started and and busy for now & I'm sure I'll still have more questions when a bit more VOIP veteran.....

[satyp]

Hi cezar,

Just had a quick nosey at the Obihai website, would the equivalent device be someting like the OBi200?, Would you say the learning curve is any easier or user friendly with these NEW-AGE devices or about the same? I would have though feature sets would close to same

Many Thanks

[satyp]

Hi Malcom

A lot of info there, Is Fritzbox the one of the few devices that more providers then? are you aware of boxes ATA? that would be similar, I have synology rouer puerly for the software interface and updates etc, so not looking to sink more into another router type device unless it can be configured to sit somewhere on the network like an ATA, not sure If make sense?..

Thanks in any case

Rgds

[Bob Eager]

I'd want to see full documentation for setting up and commissioning. I
couldn't find it on the site.

[Woody]

"satyp" <myedsubs...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:789a78ee-fc53-4971...@googlegroups.com...

comapanies a nominal fee per month around Ł5-Ł6 for any up keepping of

the LAST MILE copper line on BROADBAND only and letting the customer

decide if they want to PAY Ł20pm + broadband on TOP (now with most

providers) LINE RENTAL for a basic landline service. On that note,

Mission Accomplished as I'd rather pay Ł20 toward a better VOIP

service.


Nxt task is to order a VOIP phone as to get me started and possibly an
ATA down th eorad , as I quite sure there will be short learning
curve attached to using one and that would mean dedcating more time to
it. Might look into those Obihai devices someone jus mentioned on
here.

Next on the list would be figuring out routing between low cost
providers, as that do away with decision of what accounts to dial with
what numbers , so I think thats a huge benefit and an effective way of
managing the cost of talking in the best possible way, I'd imagine.


This should getting me started and and busy for now & I'm sure I'll
still have more questions when a bit more VOIP veteran.....

I would seriously suggest you get an ATA first - they are cheap
enough - then you can be sure if you run into any problems that it is
not the phone but the ATA programming. If you buy a SIP-phone first
and run into problems you cannot be sure if it is the SIP config that
is wrong or the phone interface.

Look at item 122167611473 on eBay at present. It is a Linksys PAP2T
from the pre-Cisco days when it was a good product. I have an
identical one sitting by my right elbow as I type and they are a
doddle to set up. There's also a couple of D-Link units on there
albeit a bit more expensive: in the UK these were rebadged as Vonage
and whilst being a little more idiosyncratic they are still not
difficult to get going.

[Graham.]

>
> A lot info to disget, endless possibilties from the sounds of things non here.
>
> I'm already undergone "information overload" on the VOIP possibilties.
>
>

And nobody's even mentioned an Asterisk server yet.

Mine runs very nicely on a Raspberry Pi.

--

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[satyp]

On Sunday, 9 October 2016 23:01:39 UTC+1, Woody wrote:
> "satyp" <myed...@gmail.com> wrote in message

Hi,Woody

Ok, sold will go for one, goot to be boon..

I'm about to order one as as £20 seems good value, compared to the Cisco SPA122 @£55 (new) I was orginally looking at last week.

Seen other offers on the page for the same product slightly under as well but don't say "UNLOCKED" ?

So,
- Is there something I need to look out for when buying these from ebay or somewhere do they come locked too?

- I take it PAP2T & PAP2T-NA are one and the same
- Out Of interest what's changed between LINKSYS SUPPLIED PAP2T & CISCO SOLD SPA122 - have cisco made the product more cumbersome to use or something or or is it just buggy software. So it was good under sepura/linksys but not as much anymore?

The reason I was thinking of getting the SLA122 for use at my elderly Mother-in-Law's as she always issues with not putting the phone properly etc and. The PAP2T wothout the NAT/ROTUER etc would more than suffice for me as you've mentioned.

Many Thanks
Rgds

[satyp]

The power adaptors seem to be for America/EU only? guess not much of an issue with the correct adpators.

Not availlable with UK plugs I take it?

[Bob Eager]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 07:59:34 +0100, Graham. wrote:


>> A lot info to disget, endless possibilties from the sounds of things
>> non here.
>>
>> I'm already undergone "information overload" on the VOIP possibilties.
>>
>>
> And nobody's even mentioned an Asterisk server yet.
>
> Mine runs very nicely on a Raspberry Pi.

What do you think my ten IP phones register to? :)

Mine's on an HP microserver.

[Woody]

[snip]

Hi,Woody

Ok, sold will go for one, goot to be boon..

I'm about to order one as as £20 seems good value, compared to the
Cisco SPA122 @£55 (new) I was orginally looking at last week.

Seen other offers on the page for the same product slightly under as
well but don't say "UNLOCKED" ?

So,
- Is there something I need to look out for when buying these from
ebay or somewhere do they come locked too?

- I take it PAP2T & PAP2T-NA are one and the same
- Out Of interest what's changed between LINKSYS SUPPLIED PAP2T &
CISCO SOLD SPA122 - have cisco made the product more cumbersome to use
or something or or is it just buggy software. So it was good under
sepura/linksys but not as much anymore?

The reason I was thinking of getting the SLA122 for use at my elderly
Mother-in-Law's as she always issues with not putting the phone
properly etc and. The PAP2T wothout the NAT/ROTUER etc would more than
suffice for me as you've mentioned.

The unlocked is because many of these items were supplied free by a SP
such a Vonage and were locked to their system so that they could not
be used for a different SP. Unlocking is quite easy - simply connect
to your network and log into it BUT disconnect the Interweb from your
system first because as soon as you power it up it will try to connect
to the registered servier and log on and/or do any necessary firmware
or system updates.

Unlocked means it has never been locked to a system or has already
been unlocked.

PAP2T and PAP2T-NA are the same 0 Google will tell you all.

I'm not sure that Cisco have necessarily done anything but I have
worked on the Linksys originals and I <know> they work.

Per the PSU, contact the supplier through eBay and ask them to confirm
that a UK PSU is supplied. Many wall-wort PSU's these days are
100-260V so all you would need is a shaver adapter.

[Woody]

"Woody" <harro...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:ntft7d$d5n$1...@dont-email.me...

I should have said the one at the side of me has a 100-260V plugtop
SMPS that also has a slide-on input connector, so I just used the
13A-bit.

[cezar]

there you go:
http://www.obihai.com/docs-downloads

c.

[cezar]

Obi200 (1 line) or 202(2 lines) will do the job.

You should not stress out yourself too much. In any case you just need
to configure few parameters to get the ATA registered and working.
In most cases you'll just need to enter SIP hostname, username and
password.
As I said, Obihai are just 21st century of Linksys/Cisco. They're being
developed by the same people that did Sipuras/Linsyses/Cisco devices
back in 90s/00s. Check their forums and you'll notice that firmwares are
updated quite frequently with bugfixes and new features. You can also
get support on that forum too.

Obihai devices also support Google voice. if you have an US google
account you can get a free US number and free US calls if you need it.

You can check what the web admin looks like on the demo page:
http://www.obihai.com/uidemos/obi202/i

ps. I don't work for Obihai and I am not related to anyone from Obihai.
I just had a chance to play and use Obihai devices in last few years. I
am also a happy user of many Sipura and Linksys ATAs.

c.

[Graham.]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 19:13:22 +0100, "Woody" <harro...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

I HAVE A 3.5 amp 5v wall-wart that supplys a PAP2, an SCP3000, a
Raspberry Pi, a 5 port Ethernet switch, and a board with 8 relays.


--

Graham.

%Profound_observation%

[tony sayer]

>The reason I was thinking of getting the SLA122 for use at my elderly Mother-
>in-
>Law's as she always issues with not putting the phone properly etc and. The
>PAP2T wothout the NAT/ROTUER etc would more than suffice for me as you've
>mentioned.
>
>Many Thanks
>Rgds

Use a few of the linksys/cisco SPA112, 2 FXS ( 2 lines) units work fine
Broadbandbuyer used to might have them around 33 quid.

Can plug ordinary analogue phones onto them use that here with a ancient
analogue PABX

Use VoIPfone works fine too had then around 4 years or more now.
Sipgate ?, bit awkward to deal with sometimes but hardly use them..

--
Tony Sayer

[Theo]

Woody <harro...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> I suggested in an earlier post to get a SIP-phone but they have their
> problems. Some of them (Grandstream excepted for instance) will not
> let you change the ring cadences or earpiece tones so you end up with
> the US version. If you have an ATA and connect a standard (BT-type) UK
> phone to it then with the correct config you will get full UK-style
> operation as if it were on a BT line.

Just another option, there are DECT base stations that are also VOIP
endpoints. They're not ATAs as such (everything is digital) which also
means they don't have to deal with the analogue interface (eg echo
cancellation is easier). Some of them can interface with an analogue phone
line in addition to your VOIP connection. You can either register existing
DECT handsets with them, or buy them with matching handsets (which typically
brings more integrated features, like shared addressbooks, answering
machines etc).

Some examples are the Gigaset N300, N510 or Panasonic KX-TGP600.

Theo

[Woody]

Who supplies Obihai in the UK?

[cezar]

On 11/10/2016 13:02, Woody wrote:
> Who supplies Obihai in the UK?
>
>

for singe units - Amazon, for bulk purchases I would suggest contacting them

[Gordon Levi]

I think the FritzBox makes for a very easy, if expensive, entry into
VoIP <https://en.avm.de/products/fritzbox/>. One of them has
everything you need to connect to [AV]DSL, Cable, DECT telephones,
POTS telephones, WiFi, NAS, Media Server and even mobile network
backup for your connection.

Now that I have been using a 7490 for a year I can see how I might
have been able to create a superior combination of individual
components that serve my needs. It would have taken longer just to
create comparable Asterisk server scripts and ensure that my DECT
phones shared the gMail contacts that are on my mobile phones.

[www.GymRatZ.co.uk]

On 11/10/2016 10:26, Theo wrote:

> Just another option, there are DECT base stations that are also VOIP
> endpoints. They're not ATAs as such (everything is digital) which also
> means they don't have to deal with the analogue interface (eg echo
> cancellation is easier). Some of them can interface with an analogue phone
> line in addition to your VOIP connection. You can either register existing
> DECT handsets with them, or buy them with matching handsets (which typically
> brings more integrated features, like shared addressbooks, answering
> machines etc).
>
> Some examples are the Gigaset N300, N510 or Panasonic KX-TGP600.

Gigaset all the way for me.

[spuorg...@gowanhill.com]

On Friday, 7 October 2016 12:35:22 UTC+1, satyp wrote:
> I haven't yet completed the registration as it required me to pick a
> local number 1st and I was hoping to also PORT my 10 year old landline
> number that's been with BT initially and then various other providers
> since, and now rests with Virgin Media.

I'm fairly sure that Sipgate no longer offer porting in, especially on their Basic (free) package.

If you do port your existing landline in to any VoIP provider, unless you take special care it may be treated as a cease-and-reprovide by your existing provider and may result in extra costs and loss of service.

Owain

[satyp]

Awesome, nice one thanks

[satyp]

Sipgate got back to me saying I could port when I'm ready , apparently £30 for the pleasure. Will need to port in January though, so will see if they still do, they've sent me 2 forms for the time being.

What is exactly is cease and and re-provide and any specifics I can mind to avoid it. Will be porting from VM

Thanks in advance

[satyp]

Managed to find a used SPA122 recieved, in the middle of config seems quite easy from the looks of it.. Will have to leave all the gigasets and panasonics phones to test for another time.. Might play around with Obihai stuff I can source a cheap one..

[Woody]

"satyp" <myedsubs...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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#################

It was a problem we came across occasionally with private wires. If a
business was moving address and one end of a p/w was to be relocated
even the same exchange then all it needed at worst was a bit of cable
jumpering. But unless this was handled through the proper process BT
were beggars for ceasing the line completely and then reproviding a
new line to the new location albeit with the other end untouched.
There was of course a considerable difference in cost - often into
four figures.

They can do the same with numbers. It comes down to the ownership of
the number, in your case VM. Indeed it may not be possible to port a
VM number as it is (1) not BT owned and (2) VM only have a limited
quantity of numbers in any given area where they may be running out of
capacity. Here in Harrogate VM numbers all start 54 which gives the
9999 number maximum. Number reuse with VM is a major issue and they
may not let you port out.

[satyp]

On Tuesday, 11 October 2016 23:02:03 UTC+1, Woody wrote:
> "satyp" <myed...@gmail.com> wrote in message

Hmmm Interesting,...

Seems like a whole heap pf pallava, no wonder sipgate still want to charge you something for a failer port. Wierd thing is it started out as BT number when we moved in an hooked up a service again. It belonged to the owners of the house before too. moved to another provider now Virgin. So not sure how the have RIGHT over it when it never belonged to them in the 1st place.

What a world, lets see what happens when it comes down to it, Joy!

[Woody]

Hmmm Interesting,...

Seems like a whole heap pf pallava, no wonder sipgate still want to
charge you something for a failer port. Wierd thing is it started out
as BT number when we moved in an hooked up a service again. It
belonged to the owners of the house before too. moved to another
provider now Virgin. So not sure how the have RIGHT over it when it
never belonged to them in the 1st place.

What a world, lets see what happens when it comes down to it, Joy!

Ah, that puts a different light on it.

In theory VM should release the number and it revert to the owner,
i.e. BT. However if the last porting from BT to another provider did
not revert it to BT en route before you ported it to VM then there is
just a chance that it may revert to that other provider. If they no
longer retain info on that number - and many smaller providers don't -
then the number could end up hanging in limbo inaccessible to anyone.

That is what the original comment about handling the move with great
care was all about.

[satyp]

Haha wow, nice .. 10+ year old number ends up in the doldrums due to geograpic number shortages or policy, I guess I'll just have to wing it... As there is no section in the 2 forms that SIPGATE sent me that I could include addtional comments that would help retain the number, presumably they will only do what the system tells them to do, in the end.

Have a working VOIP phone via the SPA 122 this morning.. Thanks @woody.. It was a breeze :-)

[Woody]

"satyp" <myedsubs...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Pleasure. Its easy when you know how!

[Woody]

"Woody" <harro...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message

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I should have also asked - did you manage to install preselection and
get it to work, and have you got your dial tones and ringing cadences
correct. Let me know off net if not and I'll send you the details.

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <e5pggrF...@mid.individual.net>,
Bob Eager <news...@eager.cx> writes:

> On Fri, 07 Oct 2016 04:35:20 -0700, satyp wrote:
>
>> WHICH VOIP ATA's ??
>>
>> There appears to be a lot talk of LINKSYS/CISCO SPA's (ATA's)
>>

>> I know from a few searches that..
>>
>> PAP2T was succeeded by SPA112 (not too long ago)
>> SPA2102 was succeeded by SPA122
>>

>> But there is also a lot negative talk i.e buggy firmwares, restarting of
>> the certain SPA ATA's etc. I'm sure that comes with many products today.
>> Are there Folk here using using either SPA112 OR SPA122 without issue?
>> The use case will just be for a simple HOME/OFFICE situation
>

> I've used a number of Sipura/Linksys/Cisco ATAs. They have all been
> trouble free (apart from a minor point, see below). And other Cisco VoIP
> products.

I bought several SPA3000's 12 years ago which were distributed
around the extended family, and more SPA3102's get added to the
family network occasionally. They all still work fine, although
a few of the original wall-wart power supplies suffered from bulging
capacitors. (Fortunately, 2A 5V PSUs are now easy to find and
dirt cheap.)

Someone also gave me a couple of Linksys RTP200's which appear to be
2 x SPA3000 + broadband router + 4 port ethernet switch in a case,
but the voice configuration part is protected by an ITP password,
so I can't configure them. There's next to nothing about them on
the Internet.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

[Woody]

"Andrew Gabriel" <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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A quick Google shows a page that says it does not need a password to
access the voice config. Have you tried that?

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <o31dr7$9q7$1...@dont-email.me>,

"Woody" <harro...@ntlworld.com> writes:
>
> "Andrew Gabriel" <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote in message

>> Someone also gave me a couple of Linksys RTP200's which appear to be
>> 2 x SPA3000 + broadband router + 4 port ethernet switch in a case,
>> but the voice configuration part is protected by an ITP password,
>> so I can't configure them. There's next to nothing about them on
>> the Internet.
>
> A quick Google shows a page that says it does not need a password to
> access the voice config. Have you tried that?

Yes. There are no links to the voice config pages when it's
password protected, but if you know the URL, you can still
get to them (I did find that on the web, although I can't
recall it offhand - it might have been for the RTP300 which
has more info on the web, but it worked on the RTP200 too).
The design is to hide them in unit preconfigured by an ITP,
which this one probably was. However, it still needs the
password to get into the VoIP config.

I opened the unit up, but there's no obvious reset jumper.
There is a reset button on the rear, but it very specifically
doesn't clear the ITP configuration.

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <o31kvd$ps8$3...@dont-email.me>,

I worked out that some of the pins on a spare connector inside
are a serial console. Unlike the RTP300, the RTP200 doesn't look
like it runs Linux, but some special proprietry OS. A debugger
is available on the console which uses single letter commands,
but still no obvious way to clear the ITP VoIP settings.