Help - locked out of Gigaset S450IP

[Dave Saville]

I can no longer get into the settings of my S450IP - I get an "Access
is denied because there is already a session initialized by another
client" There isn't. I have power cycled the 450 twice.

Any ideas?

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Dave Saville

[Woody]

"Dave Saville" <da...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:fV45K0OBJxbE-p...@paddington.bear.den...

>I can no longer get into the settings of my S450IP - I get an
>"Access
> is denied because there is already a session initialized by
> another
> client" There isn't. I have power cycled the 450 twice.
>
> Any ideas?
>

http://www.manualslib.com/manual/152420/Siemens-Gigaset-S450-Ip.html?page=67

Reset the appropriate section?


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[Dave Saville]

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:15:08 UTC, "Woody" <harro...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

> "Dave Saville" <da...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:fV45K0OBJxbE-p...@paddington.bear.den...
> >I can no longer get into the settings of my S450IP - I get an
> >"Access
> > is denied because there is already a session initialized by
> > another
> > client" There isn't. I have power cycled the 450 twice.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
>
>
> http://www.manualslib.com/manual/152420/Siemens-Gigaset-S450-Ip.html?page=67
>
> Reset the appropriate section?

Well yes - but I then trash all the setups and the twat who designed
it did not include an option to save tha config. :-(
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Dave Saville

[Bob Eager]

Does it have anything like the Linksys ones? You can download an XML fle
*to* them with all the settings.

I wrote a script (in REXX) to generate the XML for me, and all I do is
edit that if I want to change a setting.

I know it's shutting the stable door, but might help for the future.



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[Dave Saville]

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:50:52 UTC, Bob Eager <news...@eager.cx> wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 18:22:31 +0000, Dave Saville wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:15:08 UTC, "Woody" <harro...@ntlworld.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Dave Saville" <da...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:fV45K0OBJxbE-p...@paddington.bear.den...
> >> >I can no longer get into the settings of my S450IP - I get an "Access
> >> > is denied because there is already a session initialized by another
> >> > client" There isn't. I have power cycled the 450 twice.
> >> >
> >> > Any ideas?
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> http://www.manualslib.com/manual/152420/Siemens-Gigaset-S450-Ip.html?
> page=67
> >>
> >> Reset the appropriate section?
> >
> > Well yes - but I then trash all the setups and the twat who designed it
> > did not include an option to save tha config. :-(
>
> Does it have anything like the Linksys ones? You can download an XML fle
> *to* them with all the settings.

Unfortunately no :-(
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Dave Saville

[Dave Saville]

Well it seems well stuck. I have also tried turning the power off for
an hour, using different machines and different browsers. All no go.

I am loath to do a reset as if something is failing - say a stuck bit
- then it might not recover. I still might not be able to get in and
then I have no phone. As all I wanted to do was alter the dial plan I
can live with it until it fails.

Anyone know if later Gigasets can save their config externally? What
is the curent version of the 450? Does anyone else do a DECT POTS/VOIP
beast like the Gigasets?

TIA
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Regards
Dave Saville

[www.GymRatZ.co.uk]

On 13/10/2013 17:57, Dave Saville wrote:
> I can no longer get into the settings of my S450IP - I get an "Access
> is denied because there is already a session initialized by another
> client" There isn't. I have power cycled the 450 twice.
>
> Any ideas?
>

Nope. Never had the misfortune.
I would try unplugging it from router, POTS and power for a good 30
minutes then giving it another go.

I'm now just off to take a screen print out of all the set-up screens of
my own box. :)

Pete@
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[Woody]

Try disconnecting your network whilst the unit is powered down
(and that includes the handset,) then power up. It may come up
with a default setting, otherwise it may try to get its settings
from the network/outside world. I have a Grandstream BT200 that
does that.

[R. Mark Clayton]

"Dave Saville" <da...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:fV45K0OBJxbE-p...@paddington.bear.den...

From the handset - select menu, base, base reset. This should reset the
password to 0000, but will erase all the configuration.

[Dave Saville]

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:40:55 UTC, "www.GymRatZ.co.uk"
<0845.86...@GymRatZ.Gym.Equipment> wrote:

> On 13/10/2013 17:57, Dave Saville wrote:
> > I can no longer get into the settings of my S450IP - I get an "Access
> > is denied because there is already a session initialized by another
> > client" There isn't. I have power cycled the 450 twice.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
>
> Nope. Never had the misfortune.
> I would try unplugging it from router, POTS and power for a good 30
> minutes then giving it another go.
>

Well an hour made no difference. Have not tried a boot with no
connections.

I have come to the conclusion that there is a hardware fault that
*may* preclude me even getting a reset to give me a working box.
Whilst it's working I will leave well alone until it is broke.

> I'm now just off to take a screen print out of all the set-up screens of
> my own box. :)

Which is what I would do if I could get in - Been looking at
replacements "in case" and it seems that the later versions *do* have
a config save. Although one report I read said when it came to the
crunch the saved file would not restore. That was a N300IP which is
just a base unit which otherwise has good reviews. Wonder if later f/w
also lets you dial an IP? ie 12...@1.2.3.4? My first SIP box was a
Zyxel and that could and was years before the Gigaset. What's the
betting that the saved config file is in a non editable format?

Gigaset "help line" weren't of course.

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Regards
Dave Saville

[Dave Saville]

Of which I have no record of all providers. The password isn't the
problem. If you give it the wrong password it complains but give it
the right one and it says there is a session already.

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Dave Saville

[Rob]

"Dave Saville" <da...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:fV45K0OBJxbE-p...@paddington.bear.den...

>

> ... - Been looking at

> replacements "in case" and it seems that the later versions *do* have
> a config save. Although one report I read said when it came to the
> crunch the saved file would not restore. That was a N300IP which is
> just a base unit which otherwise has good reviews. Wonder if later f/w
> also lets you dial an IP? ie 12...@1.2.3.4? My first SIP box was a
> Zyxel and that could and was years before the Gigaset. What's the
> betting that the saved config file is in a non editable format?

I bought a N300-IP fairly recently to have a play around with after I'd
bought a couple of E49H handsets. I couldn't see any way of dialling a SIP
URI with my setup, but I found this article which says that using the right
handset it is possible;
http://www.mgraves.org/2011/08/the-gigaset-c610a-dialing-by-sip-uri/
I posted that information elsewhere and a N300A-IP user (the 'A' just stands
for 'AnswerPhone') replied confirming it does work.

The handset used by the article writer was a C610H but there are probably
others which work. e.g I think the C620H is an update of the C610H so that
*probably* works.

ISTR that one of the links contained within the article went to a further
account (possibly by the same author) which, AIUI at the time of reading,
inferred that once the SIP URI had been entered into the C610H address book,
the facility was added to certain other handsets registered to the base,
BICBW.

I haven't yet got hold of any further handsets to be able to use that
facility, but I'm on the lookout for one at the right price on eBay and
elsewhere.

Rob

[ßodincus]

| · : · : · : · : · : · : · Original Message · : · : · : · : · : · : ·
| From: Dave Saville
| Date: 14/10/13 17:17

Old Gigaset DECT phones were consumer / household oriented devices, a
save/restore option was deemed as not required.

Is the base getting its IP via DHCP or is it on a fixed IP?

If the latter, set your PC on a fixed IP in the same range and connect
the two (and only the two) via a switch or a cross cable, so you're sure
nothing else can initiate a session with the base.

Is the "Allow access from external networks" enabled?

I've had problems with phantom sessions when that was enabled.

Also try a different PSU, Gigaset bases go nuts if the PSU is off the mark.

If a factory reset doesn't cure the problem you're pretty f@@@@d up.
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[Dave Saville]

Well I tried Pete's suggestion of disconnecting the POTS cable and
blow me it *seemed* to have worked. I could get into the setup again.

But then I got to thinking that this time I had used a backup laptop
not my main one. But when I had tried this before it had reported
existing session. So I tried the main laptop again and damn - existing
session. No there isn't *this* time I had logged out from the backup
laptop.

Going over what I had done I realised that all my tests with other
than the main laptop had been *after* I had tried and failed with the
main laptop. I had never tried one of the others *first* after a power
cycle.

Hmm. Both laptops were running Firefox albeit different versions. Then
the penny dropped. Since I had last used the main laptop to access the
450 I had installed the Cookie Controller plug-in - and by default it
blocks cookies.

Now I would have thought that the "session lock" or whatever you want
to call it would be set when someone successfully logs in, but no, it
is set when the login page is *requested*. So request from box A, do
nothing and request from box B will give existing session. What seems
to be happening is that the lock is set when the login page is
requested and the page is sent to the client together with a cookie.
Normally this would be sent back with the PIN. But I was blocking
cookies, which blocked silently, so the PIN was sent without the
cookie and the 450 thought it was a different request - so they can't
be using the requesters IP.

Thanks for the help guys - I don't think I would have got there
otherwise.

It's a shame they have not retro-fitted the save config code to this
model's f/w though.
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Dave Saville

[www.GymRatZ.co.uk]

On 15/10/2013 10:12, Dave Saville wrote:

> Hmm. Both laptops were running Firefox albeit different versions. Then
> the penny dropped. Since I had last used the main laptop to access the
> 450 I had installed the Cookie Controller plug-in - and by default it
> blocks cookies.

Bad idea.
Cookies are there to make the web pages "work" some pages may use them
for other things like feeding you specific adverts but on the whole
simply blocking cookies is a really bad idea.
There are browser settings to not remember cookies and to not allow 3rd
party cookies, only keep cookies until Firefox is closed....

Cookies are not evil and are essential for many important things as
you've just found out.

:�)

[Dave Saville]

The problem was that I was on the learning curve for Cookie Controller
at just the wrong time :-)

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Dave Saville

[R. Mark Clayton]

"Dave Saville" <da...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:fV45K0OBJxbE-p...@paddington.bear.den...
> On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:51:07 UTC, "R. Mark Clayton"
> <nospam...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Dave Saville" <da...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:fV45K0OBJxbE-p...@paddington.bear.den...
>> >I can no longer get into the settings of my S450IP - I get an "Access
>> > is denied because there is already a session initialized by another
>> > client" There isn't. I have power cycled the 450 twice.
>> >
>> > Any ideas?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards
>> > Dave Saville
>>
>> From the handset - select menu, base, base reset. This should reset the
>> password to 0000, but will erase all the configuration.
>>
>
> Of which I have no record of all providers. The password isn't the
> problem. If you give it the wrong password it complains but give it
> the right one and it says there is a session already.

From the HANDSET

>
> --
> Regards
> Dave Saville

[Dave Saville]

On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 09:12:03 UTC, "Dave Saville"
<da...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Now I would have thought that the "session lock" or whatever you want
> to call it would be set when someone successfully logs in, but no, it
> is set when the login page is *requested*. So request from box A, do
> nothing and request from box B will give existing session. What seems
> to be happening is that the lock is set when the login page is
> requested and the page is sent to the client together with a cookie.
> Normally this would be sent back with the PIN. But I was blocking
> cookies, which blocked silently, so the PIN was sent without the
> cookie and the 450 thought it was a different request - so they can't
> be using the requesters IP.
>

Slight correction after running an IP trace.

The lock does seem to be early but the cookie is not sent until the
PIN is accepted.What was happening is that the response + cookie says
what page to load next and of course blocking the cookie meant it the
next wasn't requested correctly and the login screen was resent with
the override of existing session.

Now trying to knock up some perl to pull the config data.

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Regards
Dave Saville

[Dave Saville]

On Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:22:38 UTC, "Dave Saville"
<da...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Now trying to knock up some perl to pull the config data.
>

Well I can now pull a lot of the config out of the Gigaset with perl,
but lots of the page setup where there are multiples of the same thing
- like dial plans - is done by javascript :-( They even use javascript
to set the item in a select field. What's wrong with <option
selected="selected" ... ?

Need to think on how to get around the javascript problem - and
without using anything other than perl base modules.
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Dave Saville