New iPhone, new charger: Apple bends to EU rules

[Java Jive]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66708571

"New iPhone, new charger: Apple bends to EU rules

Apple's latest iPhone will almost certainly feature a USB-C charge point
when it is unveiled on 12 September.

The firm's phones currently use its proprietary Lightning adaptor,
unlike rivals, including Samsung.

A European Union law requires phone manufacturers to adopt a common
charging connection by December 2024 to save consumers money and cut waste.

Most new Apple products such as the latest iPads already use USB-C, but
the firm had argued against the EU rule."

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[Scott]

On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 12:18:56 +0100, Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:

>https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66708571
>
>"New iPhone, new charger: Apple bends to EU rules
>
>Apple's latest iPhone will almost certainly feature a USB-C charge point
>when it is unveiled on 12 September.
>
>The firm's phones currently use its proprietary Lightning adaptor,
>unlike rivals, including Samsung.
>
>A European Union law requires phone manufacturers to adopt a common
>charging connection by December 2024 to save consumers money and cut waste.
>
>Most new Apple products such as the latest iPads already use USB-C, but
>the firm had argued against the EU rule."

What will happen outside the EU?

[Abandoned_Trolley]

On 06/09/2023 12:18, Java Jive wrote:
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66708571
>
> "New iPhone, new charger: Apple bends to EU rules
>
> Apple's latest iPhone will almost certainly feature a USB-C charge point
> when it is unveiled on 12 September.
>
> The firm's phones currently use its proprietary Lightning adaptor,
> unlike rivals, including Samsung.
>
> A European Union law requires phone manufacturers to adopt a common
> charging connection by December 2024 to save consumers money and cut waste.
>
> Most new Apple products such as the latest iPads already use USB-C, but
> the firm had argued against the EU rule."
>

Another piece of anti Brexit trolling ?

Is theres any need to argue about a EU rule when trading in non-EU markets ?




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[notya...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, 6 September 2023 at 15:38:45 UTC+1, Scott wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 12:18:56 +0100, Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66708571
> >
> >"New iPhone, new charger: Apple bends to EU rules
> >
> >Apple's latest iPhone will almost certainly feature a USB-C charge point
> >when it is unveiled on 12 September.

And they are going to slug the charging rate n cheaper models...

> >
> >The firm's phones currently use its proprietary Lightning adaptor,
> >unlike rivals, including Samsung.
> >
> >A European Union law requires phone manufacturers to adopt a common
> >charging connection by December 2024 to save consumers money and cut waste.
> >
> >Most new Apple products such as the latest iPads already use USB-C, but
> >the firm had argued against the EU rule."
> What will happen outside the EU?

You mean in Rip Off Brexit Britain. Apple will probably carry on selling phone that need a charger incompatible with everything else and a phone incompatible with every other charger. So you will need to buy two and take them both with you on a trip.

Oh almost forgot or you can avoid four decades of Apple lock ins and buy some other phone...

[Scott]

On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 07:47:53 -0700 (PDT), "notya...@gmail.com"
<notya...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, 6 September 2023 at 15:38:45 UTC+1, Scott wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 12:18:56 +0100, Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>> >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66708571
>> >
>> >"New iPhone, new charger: Apple bends to EU rules
>> >
>> >Apple's latest iPhone will almost certainly feature a USB-C charge point
>> >when it is unveiled on 12 September.
>
>And they are going to slug the charging rate n cheaper models...
>
>> >
>> >The firm's phones currently use its proprietary Lightning adaptor,
>> >unlike rivals, including Samsung.
>> >
>> >A European Union law requires phone manufacturers to adopt a common
>> >charging connection by December 2024 to save consumers money and cut waste.
>> >
>> >Most new Apple products such as the latest iPads already use USB-C, but
>> >the firm had argued against the EU rule."
>> What will happen outside the EU?
>
>You mean in Rip Off Brexit Britain.

No, I mean significant markets such as US, Asia, Africa, Australia etc
which probably account for far more sales than the EU.

>Apple will probably carry on selling phone that need a charger incompatible with everything else and a phone incompatible with every other charger. So you will need to buy two and take them both with you on a trip.

How is it incompatible? I have a lightning to USB lead I can use
abroad.

[Scott]

To be fair to OP, I thought we still shared some standards with the
single market.

[Java Jive]

On 06/09/2023 15:46, Abandoned_Trolley wrote:
> On 06/09/2023 12:18, Java Jive wrote:
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66708571
>>
>> "New iPhone, new charger: Apple bends to EU rules
>>
>> Apple's latest iPhone will almost certainly feature a USB-C charge
>> point when it is unveiled on 12 September.
>>
>> The firm's phones currently use its proprietary Lightning adaptor,
>> unlike rivals, including Samsung.
>>
>> A European Union law requires phone manufacturers to adopt a common
>> charging connection by December 2024 to save consumers money and cut
>> waste.
>>
>> Most new Apple products such as the latest iPads already use USB-C,
>> but the firm had argued against the EU rule."
>
> Another piece of anti Brexit trolling ?

No. What Brexshitters never seem to understand is that just leaving the
EU doesn't mean that we aren't still affected by it in many ways, the
only difference is that now we have no *SAY* in how we are affected by
it. For example ...

> Is theres any need to argue about a EU rule when trading in non-EU
> markets ?

Apple will have to follow EU rules worldwide, because it won't be
economical to make two models of the same phone with different charging
connectors, hence what the EU has decided will affect what is sold in
this country too. Hence my posting it here.

[Abandoned_Trolley]

> Apple will have to follow EU rules worldwide, because it won't be
> economical to make two models of the same phone with different charging
> connectors,

Really ?

What do US spec iPhones look like ?

[Java Jive]

On 06/09/2023 16:06, Scott wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 07:47:53 -0700 (PDT), "notya...@gmail.com"
> <notya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, 6 September 2023 at 15:38:45 UTC+1, Scott wrote:
>>> On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 12:18:56 +0100, Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66708571
>>>>
>>>> "New iPhone, new charger: Apple bends to EU rules
>>>>
>>>> Apple's latest iPhone will almost certainly feature a USB-C charge point
>>>> when it is unveiled on 12 September.
>>
>> And they are going to slug the charging rate n cheaper models...
>>
>>>>
>>>> The firm's phones currently use its proprietary Lightning adaptor,
>>>> unlike rivals, including Samsung.
>>>>
>>>> A European Union law requires phone manufacturers to adopt a common
>>>> charging connection by December 2024 to save consumers money and cut waste.
>>>>
>>>> Most new Apple products such as the latest iPads already use USB-C, but
>>>> the firm had argued against the EU rule."
>>> What will happen outside the EU?
>>
>> You mean in Rip Off Brexit Britain.
>
> No, I mean significant markets such as US, Asia, Africa, Australia etc
> which probably account for far more sales than the EU.

Don't think so, though it depends on how you frame the question and who
you ask ...

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/04/growth-summit-2023-world-biggest-trading-blocs/

"4. The European Union

The European single market embraces all 27 members of the European Union
(EU). Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway are members of the European
Economic Area with full access to the single market, which was launched
in 1993. Switzerland has partial access.

EU nations account for 14% of global trade and have a combined GDP of
€14.5 trillion ($16 trillion), making the EU the world’s third-largest
economy after China and the United States."

https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/eu-trade-relationships-country-and-region/eu-position-world-trade_en

"Europe is the world's largest exporter of manufactured goods and
services, and is itself the biggest export market for around 80 countries.

Together, the European Union's members account for 16% of world imports
and exports."

So the EU is in the same ballpark as other large economies and most
other regional trading blocks, the standout exception of the latter
being the RCEP which has about double the share of global GDP.

>> Apple will probably carry on selling phone that need a charger incompatible with everything else and a phone incompatible with every other charger. So you will need to buy two and take them both with you on a trip.
>
> How is it incompatible? I have a lightning to USB lead I can use
> abroad.

Most probably he's talking bollocks anyway; if Apple have to use USB-C
charging in the EU, they'll use it everywhere, because nothing else will
make economic sense.

[Java Jive]

On 06/09/2023 16:11, Abandoned_Trolley wrote:
>
>> Apple will have to follow EU rules worldwide, because it won't be
>> economical to make two models of the same phone with different
>> charging connectors,
>
> Really ?
>
> What do US spec iPhones look like ?

AIUI, pretty much the same as those sold in Europe and the rest of the
World, except the newest can use the mmWave 5G that is available in N
America, but not so much elsewhere. In particular, I can find no
evidence of different charging connectors being used.

[Abandoned_Trolley]

>
> AIUI, pretty much the same as those sold in Europe and the rest of the
> World, except the newest can use the mmWave 5G that is available in N
> America, but not so much elsewhere.  In particular, I can find no
> evidence of different charging connectors being used.
>

Your suggestion that it will not be economical for them to make 2 models
seems a bit strange to me - as it looks to me like there are at least 5
global variants currently in production.

As far as I can make out, the majority of tech journalists seem to
welcome the introduction of USB-C anyway on account of the possibility
of more rapid charging.

I dont understand what the actual problem is

[Scott]

On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 16:08:06 +0100, Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:

Well, plenty of manufacturers produce products with different plug
types (and indeed voltage) for different markets.

[Abandoned_Trolley]

> Well, plenty of manufacturers produce products with different plug
> types (and indeed voltage) for different markets.

And in that regard, I am not even sure its an Apple problem - as the
product is bought in from a foreign supplier

[Java Jive]

On 06/09/2023 16:53, Abandoned_Trolley wrote:
>
[Quoting broken: Java Jive said:]

>>
>> AIUI, pretty much the same as those sold in Europe and the rest of the
>> World, except the newest can use the mmWave 5G that is available in N
>> America, but not so much elsewhere.  In particular, I can find no
>> evidence of different charging connectors being used.
>
> Your suggestion that it will not be economical for them to make 2 models
> seems a bit strange to me - as it looks to me like there are at least 5
> global variants currently in production.

But mostly they only vary due to necessity, such as different wavebands
available, or facilities are dropped for legal reasons; AFAIAA, Apple
doesn't deliberately increase its costs by using different hardware for
components required in common across all possible variants; in
particular, I see absolutely no evidence of their using different
charging connectors on different regional variations on the same model
of phone.

> As far as I can make out, the majority of tech journalists seem to
> welcome the introduction of USB-C anyway on account of the possibility
> of more rapid charging.

Exactly.

> I dont understand what the actual problem is

[So why are you arguing about it?]

There isn't one, except:

1) Apple have been resisting the change for years;
2) Apple trolls in ngs and other public media keep arguing against it.

[Java Jive]

But leads with different plugs at the wall end to match different
countries' electrical supplies usually have the *SAME* connector at the
appliance end!

[Scott]

On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 19:18:14 +0100, Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid>

wrote:

>On 06/09/2023 17:18, Scott wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 16:08:06 +0100, Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Apple will have to follow EU rules worldwide, because it won't be
>>> economical to make two models of the same phone with different charging
>>> connectors, hence what the EU has decided will affect what is sold in
>>> this country too. Hence my posting it here.
>>
>> Well, plenty of manufacturers produce products with different plug
>> types (and indeed voltage) for different markets.
>
>But leads with different plugs at the wall end to match different
>countries' electrical supplies usually have the *SAME* connector at the
>appliance end!

Depends what you mean by 'connector'. A lot of appliances have the
mains lead hard wired. My point is that if they can produce different
variants of other products, why not phones? They are coping with
different boxes, different languages, different voltages, different
frequencies, different plugs so why not a different component in a
batch of phones destined for a particular market? Obviously, the two
sockets would need to be designed the same size so both will fit the
same case.

[Java Jive]

On 06/09/2023 19:51, Scott wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 19:18:14 +0100, Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 06/09/2023 17:18, Scott wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 16:08:06 +0100, Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Apple will have to follow EU rules worldwide, because it won't be
>>>> economical to make two models of the same phone with different charging
>>>> connectors, hence what the EU has decided will affect what is sold in
>>>> this country too. Hence my posting it here.
>>>
>>> Well, plenty of manufacturers produce products with different plug
>>> types (and indeed voltage) for different markets.
>>
>> But leads with different plugs at the wall end to match different
>> countries' electrical supplies usually have the *SAME* connector at the
>> appliance end!
>
> Depends what you mean by 'connector'. A lot of appliances have the
> mains lead hard wired.

That is still a connection which is identical at the appliance end.

> My point is that if they can produce different
> variants of other products, why not phones? They are coping with
> different boxes, different languages, different voltages, different
> frequencies, different plugs so why not a different component in a
> batch of phones destined for a particular market? Obviously, the two
> sockets would need to be designed the same size so both will fit the
> same case.

Because it would be an unnecessary and avoidable extra manufacturing
cost that would erode their profits.

[Tweed]

Well we will all know on Tuesday

[Abandoned_Trolley]

>
>> I dont understand what the actual problem is
>
> [So why are you arguing about it?]
>
> There isn't one, except:
>
> 1) Apple have been resisting the change for years;
> 2) Apple trolls in ngs and other public media keep arguing against it.
>

I am not arguing about it as I don’t see it as a problem - you might
remember that you brought the subject up.

Apple may not deliberately increase their costs, but they definitely and
deliberately increase their prices - I am told that the firm that
actually makes the iPhones sells them to Apple for between 30 and 50 USD.

Clearly all the Apple groupies out there who are unable to consider any
other phone have more dollars than sense and Apple takes advantage of
their gullibility – leading me to suspect that Apples objections are not
based on any sound economic grounds.

It’s more likely that they wanted their own proprietary standard to
become dominant in the market place in order to harvest a sackload of
royalties and licensing fees. I have absolutely no sympathy for their
“dilemma” - and would still have none even if they paid any tax in this
country

This is all vaguely reminiscent of the BetaMax / VHS wars of long ago,
but the difference here is that the regulator has stepped in and
directed the (predictable) result

Is there anything in the EU directive which require USB-C to be the ONLY
(wired) method of charging ? – I am assuming that wireless charging
cannot be outlawed

[Java Jive]

On 06/09/2023 21:09, Abandoned_Trolley wrote:
>
>>
>>> I dont understand what the actual problem is
>>
>> [So why are you arguing about it?]
>>
>> There isn't one, except:
>>
>> 1) Apple have been resisting the change for years;
>> 2) Apple trolls in ngs and other public media keep arguing against it.
>
> I am not arguing about it as I don’t see it as a problem - you might
> remember that you brought the subject up.

I brought up the subject of Apple apparently at last yielding to the EU
as a subject of some interest here. It was you who started arguing
about it by claiming it had something to do with Brexshit.

> Apple may not deliberately increase their costs, but they definitely and
> deliberately increase their prices

The scale of Apple's profit margins based entirely on their name is well
known.

> Is there anything in the EU directive which require USB-C to be the ONLY
> (wired) method of charging ? – I am assuming that wireless charging
> cannot be outlawed

Wireless charging is WIP:
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/10/24/common-charger-eu-ministers-give-final-approval-to-one-size-fits-all-charging-port/

[Abandoned_Trolley]

so .. thats 2 of us not arguing about it

should be fairly easy to drop the subject then ?

[Java Jive]

On 06/09/2023 22:54, Abandoned_Trolley wrote:
>
> so .. thats 2 of us not arguing about it

If you're not arguing about it, why write ...

On 06/09/2023 15:46, Abandoned_Trolley wrote:
>
> Another piece of anti Brexit trolling ?
>

> Is theres any need to argue about a EU rule when trading in non-EU
> markets ?

> should be fairly easy to drop the subject then ?

Would have been better not to have started it by your own non-sequitur
Brexshit trolling.

[Scott]

On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 20:22:59 +0100, Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid>

wrote:

>On 06/09/2023 19:51, Scott wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 19:18:14 +0100, Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/09/2023 17:18, Scott wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 16:08:06 +0100, Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple will have to follow EU rules worldwide, because it won't be
>>>>> economical to make two models of the same phone with different charging
>>>>> connectors, hence what the EU has decided will affect what is sold in
>>>>> this country too. Hence my posting it here.
>>>>
>>>> Well, plenty of manufacturers produce products with different plug
>>>> types (and indeed voltage) for different markets.
>>>
>>> But leads with different plugs at the wall end to match different
>>> countries' electrical supplies usually have the *SAME* connector at the
>>> appliance end!
>>
>> Depends what you mean by 'connector'. A lot of appliances have the
>> mains lead hard wired.
>
>That is still a connection which is identical at the appliance end.

Even for 110 volts where the current is doubled?

>
>> My point is that if they can produce different
>> variants of other products, why not phones? They are coping with
>> different boxes, different languages, different voltages, different
>> frequencies, different plugs so why not a different component in a
>> batch of phones destined for a particular market? Obviously, the two
>> sockets would need to be designed the same size so both will fit the
>> same case.
>
>Because it would be an unnecessary and avoidable extra manufacturing
>cost that would erode their profits.

Are you seriously saying that substitution of one component in a batch
of phones mass produced in the far east at low labour cost would make
any significant difference to the unit cost of a product that is
retailing at several hundred dollars?

[Chris in Makati]

On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 16:11:10 +0100, Abandoned_Trolley
<fr...@fred-smith.co.uk> wrote:

>
>> Apple will have to follow EU rules worldwide, because it won't be
>> economical to make two models of the same phone with different charging
>> connectors,
>
>Really ?
>
>What do US spec iPhones look like ?

There's no published spec yet because the new range of iPhones won't
be announced for several more weeks. But chances are it will use a
USB-C charging port.

[Scott]

On Thu, 07 Sep 2023 09:38:51 +0100, Chris in Makati <ma...@nospam.com>
wrote:

Do you have a source for this?

[Bob Eager]

On Thu, 07 Sep 2023 09:03:52 +0100, Scott wrote:

>>> My point is that if they can produce different variants of other
>>> products, why not phones? They are coping with different boxes,
>>> different languages, different voltages, different frequencies,
>>> different plugs so why not a different component in a batch of phones
>>> destined for a particular market? Obviously, the two sockets would
>>> need to be designed the same size so both will fit the same case.
>>
>>Because it would be an unnecessary and avoidable extra manufacturing
>>cost that would erode their profits.
>
> Are you seriously saying that substitution of one component in a batch
> of phones mass produced in the far east at low labour cost would make
> any significant difference to the unit cost of a product that is
> retailing at several hundred dollars?

Because Apple says: "Make it so"

[Scott]

I think there is a long tradition of manufacturers following the
client's instructions :-)

[Chris in Makati]

It's been widely predicted in multiple Apple media sources.

[Java Jive]

I researched this before making my first reply in this subthread. If
you want to continue arguing go and find evidence that recently Apple
have used different charging connectors over regional variations of the
same model of phone.

[Scott]

On Thu, 7 Sep 2023 11:55:33 +0100, Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid>

wrote:

>On 07/09/2023 09:03, Scott wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 20:22:59 +0100, Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That is still a connection which is identical at the appliance end.
>>
>> Even for 110 volts where the current is doubled?
>>>
>>>> My point is that if they can produce different
>>>> variants of other products, why not phones? They are coping with
>>>> different boxes, different languages, different voltages, different
>>>> frequencies, different plugs so why not a different component in a
>>>> batch of phones destined for a particular market? Obviously, the two
>>>> sockets would need to be designed the same size so both will fit the
>>>> same case.
>>>
>>> Because it would be an unnecessary and avoidable extra manufacturing
>>> cost that would erode their profits.
>>
>> Are you seriously saying that substitution of one component in a batch
>> of phones mass produced in the far east at low labour cost would make
>> any significant difference to the unit cost of a product that is
>> retailing at several hundred dollars?
>
>I researched this before making my first reply in this subthread.

And how many cents did you conclude could be saved per unit by
avoiding this 'unnecessary and avoidable extra manufacturing cost'?

>If you want to continue arguing go and find evidence that recently Apple
>have used different charging connectors over regional variations of the
>same model of phone.

Of course they have not. The situation has only now arisen because of
a regulation made by the EU.

[Scott]

On Thu, 07 Sep 2023 11:47:33 +0100, Chris in Makati <ma...@nospam.com>

wrote:

>On Thu, 07 Sep 2023 10:12:36 +0100, Scott
><newsg...@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 07 Sep 2023 09:38:51 +0100, Chris in Makati <ma...@nospam.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 16:11:10 +0100, Abandoned_Trolley
>>><fr...@fred-smith.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Apple will have to follow EU rules worldwide, because it won't be
>>>>> economical to make two models of the same phone with different charging
>>>>> connectors,
>>>>
>>>>Really ?
>>>>
>>>>What do US spec iPhones look like ?
>>>
>>>There's no published spec yet because the new range of iPhones won't
>>>be announced for several more weeks. But chances are it will use a
>>>USB-C charging port.
>>
>>Do you have a source for this?
>
>It's been widely predicted in multiple Apple media sources.

Speculation then. I think it was also widely predicted that England
would win the Women's World Cup.

[Chris in Makati]

On Thu, 07 Sep 2023 12:06:53 +0100, Scott

<newsg...@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

>On Thu, 07 Sep 2023 11:47:33 +0100, Chris in Makati <ma...@nospam.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 07 Sep 2023 10:12:36 +0100, Scott
>><newsg...@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 07 Sep 2023 09:38:51 +0100, Chris in Makati <ma...@nospam.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 16:11:10 +0100, Abandoned_Trolley
>>>><fr...@fred-smith.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple will have to follow EU rules worldwide, because it won't be
>>>>>> economical to make two models of the same phone with different charging
>>>>>> connectors,
>>>>>
>>>>>Really ?
>>>>>
>>>>>What do US spec iPhones look like ?
>>>>
>>>>There's no published spec yet because the new range of iPhones won't
>>>>be announced for several more weeks. But chances are it will use a
>>>>USB-C charging port.
>>>
>>>Do you have a source for this?
>>
>>It's been widely predicted in multiple Apple media sources.
>
>Speculation then. I think it was also widely predicted that England
>would win the Women's World Cup.

Of course it's speculation. You asked for specifications that you very
well know haven't been made public yet, so what did you expect?

[Scott]

On Thu, 07 Sep 2023 12:15:30 +0100, Chris in Makati <ma...@nospam.com>

No I didn't. 'Abandoned_Trolley' asked the question. I asked about
your source.

[Java Jive]

Regardless of regulation, they have always had the choice to use
different charging connectors in different parts of the world, but have
never done so, because manufacturers of globally available equipment try
to keep as much of their products as possible the same across all
regional variations, in order to keep costs to a minimum. That basic
economic rule has not changed, and henceforth Apple will make all their
phones with USB-C sockets, because nothing else will make economic sense
for them. That is why there was ever a BBC article for me to quote from
to begin this thread, while you have produced zilch evidence to the
contrary. So, as I said before, if you want to continue arguing, go and
find some *EVIDENCE*.

[Java Jive]

On 07/09/2023 12:06, Scott wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Sep 2023 11:47:33 +0100, Chris in Makati <ma...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 07 Sep 2023 10:12:36 +0100, Scott
>> <newsg...@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you have a source for this?

The original article I linked is one.

>> It's been widely predicted in multiple Apple media sources.
>
> Speculation then. I think it was also widely predicted that England
> would win the Women's World Cup.

There is a difference in speculation based on sound economic principles
and observed manufacturing history, and pulling vague uncertainties out
of the air because you can't bear to lose an argument. As others have
pointed out, we'll know for certain this time next week anyway, but, in
the meantime, if you want to continue arguing against the flow of
available evidence, at least go and find some *EVIDENCE* of your own to
justify doing so, instead of just trolling, as you are at the moment.

[notya...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, 7 September 2023 at 09:03:56 UTC+1, Scott wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 20:22:59 +0100, Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >On 06/09/2023 19:51, Scott wrote:

SNIP

> >>>
> >>> But leads with different plugs at the wall end to match different
> >>> countries' electrical supplies usually have the *SAME* connector at the
> >>> appliance end!
> >>
> >> Depends what you mean by 'connector'. A lot of appliances have the
> >> mains lead hard wired.
> >
> >That is still a connection which is identical at the appliance end.
> Even for 110 volts where the current is doubled?

Yes - usually a little switch to change voltage and becoming more common [switched mode] PSU's that can cope with either.