Public IP with EE mobile broadband?

Christof Meerwald

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Dec 1, 2013, 11:42:50 AM12/1/13

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Got a EE mobile broadband SIM now and am surprised that they are only
handing out 10.x.y.z privat IP addresses behind some NAT. Is there any
way to get a public IP address? Does it depend on the APN - which one
should be used?

BTW, is there any way to find out what connection type is being used?
I mean how to know if its using 4G, HSUPA or just HSDPA? "AT+COPS?"
for example just returns "+COPS: 0,0,"EE",2" for me.

Christof

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Roland Perry

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Dec 1, 2013, 12:16:22 PM12/1/13

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In message <slrnl9mpo9...@msgid.cmeerw.org>, at 16:42:50 on Sun,
1 Dec 2013, Christof Meerwald <NOSPAM-see...@usenet.cmeerw.org>
remarked:

>Got a EE mobile broadband SIM now and am surprised that they are only
>handing out 10.x.y.z privat IP addresses behind some NAT.

I thought all the mobile networks used that sort of carrier-grade NAT.

10.91.56.179 here on Vodafone 3G for example.

>Is there any way to get a public IP address?

Wait for full deployment of IPv6 I suppose.

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Christof Meerwald

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Dec 1, 2013, 12:43:39 PM12/1/13

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On Sun, 1 Dec 2013 17:16:22 +0000, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <slrnl9mpo9...@msgid.cmeerw.org>, at 16:42:50 on Sun,
> 1 Dec 2013, Christof Meerwald <NOSPAM-see...@usenet.cmeerw.org>
> remarked:
>>Got a EE mobile broadband SIM now and am surprised that they are only
>>handing out 10.x.y.z privat IP addresses behind some NAT.
> I thought all the mobile networks used that sort of carrier-grade NAT.

Three hand out public IPs when you use the "3internet" APN.

>>Is there any way to get a public IP address?
> Wait for full deployment of IPv6 I suppose.

But none of the big mobile networks is offering any IPv6 support at
all yet...

Roland Perry

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Dec 1, 2013, 2:56:54 PM12/1/13

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In message <slrnl9mtab...@msgid.cmeerw.org>, at 17:43:39 on Sun,

1 Dec 2013, Christof Meerwald <NOSPAM-see...@usenet.cmeerw.org>
remarked:

>>>Is there any way to get a public IP address?

>> Wait for full deployment of IPv6 I suppose.
>
>But none of the big mobile networks is offering any IPv6 support at
>all yet...

Hence the need to 'wait'.
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Roland Perry

Phil

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Dec 2, 2013, 2:49:41 PM12/2/13

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Christof Meerwald <NOSPAM-see...@usenet.cmeerw.org> writes:

> Got a EE mobile broadband SIM now and am surprised that they are only
> handing out 10.x.y.z privat IP addresses behind some NAT. Is there any
> way to get a public IP address? Does it depend on the APN - which one
> should be used?
>
> BTW, is there any way to find out what connection type is being used?
> I mean how to know if its using 4G, HSUPA or just HSDPA? "AT+COPS?"
> for example just returns "+COPS: 0,0,"EE",2" for me.
>

What are you trying to do that requires a public IP address?

Phil

Chris Davies

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Dec 2, 2013, 2:42:37 PM12/2/13

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Christof Meerwald <NOSPAM-see...@usenet.cmeerw.org> wrote:
> Got a EE mobile broadband SIM now and am surprised that they are only
> handing out 10.x.y.z privat IP addresses behind some NAT. Is there any
> way to get a public IP address? Does it depend on the APN - which one
> should be used?

You can get real addresses from other providers (e.g Andrews and Arnold),
but I don't know how the costs compare. FWIW, I believe A&A provides
IPv6 connectivity, too.

Chris

Phil

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Dec 2, 2013, 3:26:57 PM12/2/13

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Andrews and Arnold are a mobile operator?

Phil

Christof Meerwald

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Dec 2, 2013, 5:01:35 PM12/2/13

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On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 19:49:41 +0000, Phil wrote:
> What are you trying to do that requires a public IP address?

VPN to the home (network) is probably the most obvious one.

Christof Meerwald

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Dec 2, 2013, 5:08:08 PM12/2/13

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On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 20:26:57 +0000, Phil wrote:
> Chris Davies <chris-...@roaima.co.uk> writes:
>> You can get real addresses from other providers (e.g Andrews and Arnold),
>> but I don't know how the costs compare. FWIW, I believe A&A provides
>> IPv6 connectivity, too.

> Andrews and Arnold are a mobile operator?

AFAIK they are using the Three network for the last mile, but are
offering their own IP connectivity on top of that.

Phil

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Dec 2, 2013, 6:11:47 PM12/2/13

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Christof Meerwald <NOSPAM-see...@usenet.cmeerw.org> writes:

> On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 19:49:41 +0000, Phil wrote:
>> What are you trying to do that requires a public IP address?
>
> VPN to the home (network) is probably the most obvious one.

Providing your home network has a public IP address there is no need for
your mobile device to have one, people VPN from mobiles all the time.

Phil

Christof Meerwald

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Dec 3, 2013, 2:19:31 AM12/3/13

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And what if the home network uses a mobile broadband connection? Then
that would need a public IP...

Andrew Benham

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Dec 3, 2013, 11:14:24 AM12/3/13

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On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 22:01:35 +0000, Christof Meerwald wrote:

> On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 19:49:41 +0000, Phil wrote:
>> What are you trying to do that requires a public IP address?
>
> VPN to the home (network) is probably the most obvious one.

Having a public IP address isn't the only issue here - you'd
also need the mobile network to deliver incoming traffic
(i.e. for SYN packets to be delivered). I've not done
exhaustive testing, but with a public IP on a couple of
networks I've never got incoming sessions (usually ssh) to work.

Andrew Benham

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Dec 3, 2013, 11:16:13 AM12/3/13

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On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 23:11:47 +0000, Phil wrote:

> your mobile device to have one, people VPN *from* mobiles all the time.

Previous poster was referring to a VPN *to* a mobile, if I read correctly.

Phil

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Dec 3, 2013, 12:58:32 PM12/3/13

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Get yourself a shell account for a few pounds a month and configure a
linux box on the home network to create a ssh tunnel that then allows
you to connect into your home network.

Phil

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Christof Meerwald

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Dec 5, 2013, 5:00:06 AM12/5/13

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I know that there are workarounds - but I was more interested in how
to avoid using those workarounds by getting a public IP in the first
place.

Christof Meerwald

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Dec 12, 2013, 4:52:09 PM12/12/13

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On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 10:00:06 +0000 (UTC), Christof Meerwald wrote:
[...]

> I know that there are workarounds - but I was more interested in how
> to avoid using those workarounds by getting a public IP in the first
> place.

Actually, it appears that I sometimes get a public IP address (in the
range 31.96.0.0/11 which appears to belong to T-Mobile), but most of
the time I just get a private IP address that gets mapped to
the range 213.205.240.0/20 (which appears to belong to Orange UK). So
maybe it depends on if I pick up a T-Mobile or Orange signal...

Mark

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Dec 18, 2013, 2:26:08 PM12/18/13

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On 03/12/2013 07:19, Christof Meerwald wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 23:11:47 +0000, Phil wrote:
>> Christof Meerwald <NOSPAM-see...@usenet.cmeerw.org> writes:
>>> On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 19:49:41 +0000, Phil wrote:
>>>> What are you trying to do that requires a public IP address?
>>> VPN to the home (network) is probably the most obvious one.
>> Providing your home network has a public IP address there is no need for
>> your mobile device to have one, people VPN from mobiles all the time.
>
> And what if the home network uses a mobile broadband connection? Then
> that would need a public IP...
>
>
> Christof
>

Does your home router have an in-built Dynamic DNS client that would
work with one of the free providers?

Christof Meerwald

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Dec 19, 2013, 4:14:40 AM12/19/13

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On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:26:08 +0000, Mark wrote:
> On 03/12/2013 07:19, Christof Meerwald wrote:
>> And what if the home network uses a mobile broadband connection? Then
>> that would need a public IP...

> Does your home router have an in-built Dynamic DNS client that would
> work with one of the free providers?

Yes, but I don't see the connection here. How does having a Dynamic
DNS client affect what IP address (public or private) I am being given
by EE.