Femtocells
Jules
in the new Femtocells. Voda seem to be going to offer one to domestic
users. Does anyone know if Orange have such plans?
Is a 30k upload speed like my home broadband has going to be enough
for speech? Obviously the 800k down is ok.
Jules
BGN
>As someone with rubbish cellular coverage at home I'm very interested
>in the new Femtocells. Voda seem to be going to offer one to domestic
>users. Does anyone know if Orange have such plans?
Not heard of it on Orange. I'm quite amused that Voda plan to charge
�160 to THE CUSTOMER so that the customer can use THEIR electricity
and THEIR home broadband connection to compensate for the Service
Providers inadequate network in their area. Surely they should be
given out gratis by the network?!
>Is a 30k upload speed like my home broadband has going to be enough
>for speech? Obviously the 800k down is ok.
Will be fine. BT have been doing BTBroadBandVoice for YEARS using the
same kind of idea.
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pugwash
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Orange support UMA, works very well over broadband AFAIK at no extra cost
from Orange (apart from the handset, e.g. Nokia 6301 or a few Blackberries).
Jules
>Orange support UMA, works very well over broadband AFAIK at no extra cost
>from Orange (apart from the handset, e.g. Nokia 6301 or a few Blackberries).
I do have wireless broadband at my house. i've googled UMA and see
what it is but does this mean if I buy the right phone I can make
calls in my house over broadband? Do I need anything else?
Jules
pugwash
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The mobile will connect to the Orange network via your wireless broadband,
AIUI calls are charged at your usual rate according to the plan you're on.
I think Orange have to enable the service on your account, but I don't think
they charge for that.
Jules
>The mobile will connect to the Orange network via your wireless broadband,
>AIUI calls are charged at your usual rate according to the plan you're on.
>I think Orange have to enable the service on your account, but I don't think
>they charge for that.
From what I am reading via google on the subject UMA does work but not
very well. Calls drop-out etc. Does anyone actually have it working
well on Orange (or indeed any network)?
Jules
BGN
>>The mobile will connect to the Orange network via your wireless broadband,
>>AIUI calls are charged at your usual rate according to the plan you're on.
>>I think Orange have to enable the service on your account, but I don't think
>>they charge for that.
>
>From what I am reading via google on the subject UMA does work but not
>very well. Calls drop-out etc. Does anyone actually have it working
>well on Orange (or indeed any network)?
I've used various versions of VoIP for qutie a while, first on
BTBroadbandVoice (where you actually had a propeter telephone) as well
as BT Mobile which 'roamed' on to the home network via bluetooth.
I'm guessing that UMA is pretty much the same thing, but with GSM/3G
instead of Bluetooth so it should work fine as long as the phone sees
the 3G identifier as one of its authorised access points.
alexd
> I'm guessing that UMA is pretty much the same thing, but with GSM/3G
> instead of Bluetooth
Close. UMA uses Wifi for the 'last 10 metres', so requires a special
handset.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_Access_Network
From this armchair general's perspective, picocells make more sense than UMA
as they don't require a special handset. I'm not sure if UMA also requires a
special wifi AP, if so it makes even less sense. I'm sure there are
compelling reasons for UMA over picocells.
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BGN
wrote:
>> I'm guessing that UMA is pretty much the same thing, but with GSM/3G
>> instead of Bluetooth
>
>Close. UMA uses Wifi for the 'last 10 metres', so requires a special
>handset.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_Access_Network
>
>From this armchair general's perspective, picocells make more sense than UMA
>as they don't require a special handset. I'm not sure if UMA also requires a
>special wifi AP, if so it makes even less sense. I'm sure there are
>compelling reasons for UMA over picocells.
Ahh, I know AT&T in the US use some kind of femtocell to create a 3G
network.
<http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/02/04/lousy-iphone-reception-att-tower-house-meet-femtocell/>
I guess there are benefits to using 3G for a femtocell (voice and data
at the same time) but I'd prefer GSM/GPRS/EDGE would be better for
voice/SMS use due to better battery life. And I'm guessing if you've
got a femtocell in your home then you've probably got a WiFi network
for data.
pugwash
"Jules" <an...@anon.com> wrote in message
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I use it everyday.
Calls do drop out from time to time but no more than using 2G on Orange.
AFAIK only Orange support UMA in the UK.
Jon
nickm...@spamcop.net says...
> >As someone with rubbish cellular coverage at home I'm very interested
> >in the new Femtocells. Voda seem to be going to offer one to domestic
> >users. Does anyone know if Orange have such plans?
> Not heard of it on Orange. I'm quite amused that Voda plan to charge
> £160 to THE CUSTOMER so that the customer can use THEIR electricity
> and THEIR home broadband connection to compensate for the Service
> Providers inadequate network in their area. Surely they should be
> given out gratis by the network?!
Don't be silly. The network is not obliged to supply coverage to a
particular area. If you want to avail yourself of that networks services
so badly even though you live in an area with no coverage then it's up
to you to bear the cost of the equipment.
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Yes, and no - in that order.
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Jon
> BGN wrote:
>
> > I'm guessing that UMA is pretty much the same thing, but with GSM/3G
> > instead of Bluetooth
>
> Close. UMA uses Wifi for the 'last 10 metres', so requires a special
> handset.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_Access_Network
>
> From this armchair general's perspective, picocells make more sense than UMA
> as they don't require a special handset. I'm not sure if UMA also requires a
> special wifi AP, if so it makes even less sense. I'm sure there are
> compelling reasons for UMA over picocells.
For a household with a wireless router connected to the internet (faily
common) no extra equipment is necessary, aside from a compatible
handset.
It's probably easier for the average customer to simply purchase/acquire
free with their contract a suitable handset than it would be to install
and configre a femto.
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BGN
wrote:
>Don't be silly. The network is not obliged to supply coverage to a
>particular area. If you want to avail yourself of that networks services
>so badly even though you live in an area with no coverage then it's up
>to you to bear the cost of the equipment.
I see no reason why I should pay for Jules' femtocell.
Steve Terry
"pugwash" <p...@wash.not> wrote in message
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calls is?
Steve Terry
mark
> "pugwash" <p...@wash.not> wrote in message
>
> news:HNCdnT8UMf8QMdvX...@bt.com...
>
Two reasons - both of which may not be that interesting for most.
Common contact number (eg, business user)
Secure connection. UMA transport is over secure tunnel between the
handset and the Security Gateway within the UMA core.
Cheers,
Mark
Steve Terry
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On Jun 28, 10:46 pm, "Steve Terry" <gFOUR...@tesco.net> wrote:
> "pugwash" <p...@wash.not> wrote in message
>
> news:HNCdnT8UMf8QMdvX...@bt.com...
>
> > "Jules" <a...@anon.com> wrote in message
> >news:rbad45dr3jt96nh27...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:17:33 +0100, "pugwash" <p...@wash.not> wrote:
>> > The mobile will connect to the Orange network via your wireless
>> > broadband,
>> > AIUI calls are charged at your usual rate according to the plan you're
>> > on.
>> > I think Orange have to enable the service on your account, but I don't
>> > think they charge for that.
>>
>> and the advantage of paying Orange to do that, over using your BB for
>> VOIP
>> calls is?
>> Steve Terry
>
>Two reasons - both of which may not be that interesting for most.
>Common contact number (eg, business user)
>
would solve that problem
>
>Secure connection. UMA transport is over secure tunnel between the
>handset and the Security Gateway within the UMA core.
>Cheers,
>Mark
>
>
food isle at the supermarket to back home.
Steve Terry
mark
> "mark" <marpa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5da24e71-7a28-4367...@f10g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 28, 10:46 pm, "Steve Terry" <gFOUR...@tesco.net> wrote:
>
> > "pugwash" <p...@wash.not> wrote in message
>
> >news:HNCdnT8UMf8QMdvX...@bt.com...
>
> > > "Jules" <a...@anon.com> wrote in message
> > >news:rbad45dr3jt96nh27...@4ax.com...
> > >> On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:17:33 +0100, "pugwash" <p...@wash.not> wrote:
> <snip>
> >> > The mobile will connect to the Orange network via your wireless
> >> > broadband,
> >> > AIUI calls are charged at your usual rate according to the plan you're
> >> > on.
> >> > I think Orange have to enable the service on your account, but I don't
> >> > think they charge for that.
>
> >> and the advantage of paying Orange to do that, over using your BB for
> >> VOIP
> >> calls is?
> >> Steve Terry
>
> >Two reasons - both of which may not be that interesting for most.
> >Common contact number (eg, business user)
>
> So any Mobile phone network that reintroduced Orange Everyphone
> would solve that problem
There's always more than one way to skin a cat!
But for those customers who's coverage is slightly better than OP's,
UMA and Femtocells do allow hand-in and hand-out from the macro layer
to the in building signals. So you can keep on your conference call
etc., whilst moving from the car to the home.
I do agree though that for the majority of people UMA and Femtocell is
very much a luxury rather than a requirement and this will ultimately
limit the scale of deployment.
>
> >Secure connection. UMA transport is over secure tunnel between the
> >handset and the Security Gateway within the UMA core.
> >Cheers,
> >Mark
>
> Sodding CIA / NSA / MI5 always listening in on my calls from the chilled
> food isle at the supermarket to back home.
>
LOL .... that does probably account for 99.9% of their workload :)
Just to throw in another possible situation. Some corporations have
dedicated APN's on the 2.5G/3G core for remote access into their
sites. Use of Femtocells will allow them to continue to use these.
Mark
R. Mark Clayton
You really are in the sticks!
30k enough for mobile calls.
>
> Jules
>
Jon
> and the advantage of paying Orange to do that, over using your BB for VOIP
> calls is?
There is no extra charge for UMA access, and it's a tad easier to set up
than a SIP service. The UMA also allows for text and data to pass, which
VoIP does not.
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Jon
> So any Mobile phone network that reintroduced Orange Everyphone
> would solve that problem
Change the record Steve. Everyphone is gone, get over it.
> >Secure connection. UMA transport is over secure tunnel between the
> >handset and the Security Gateway within the UMA core.
> Sodding CIA / NSA / MI5 always listening in on my calls from the chilled
> food isle at the supermarket to back home.
So when you're up against something you can't argue against you resort
to a silly comment. Nice to see that some things never change.
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Steve Terry
"Jon" <sp...@jonparker.plus.com> wrote in message
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> In article <h2ab5r$saf$1...@news.albasani.net>, gFOU...@tesco.net says...
>> So any Mobile phone network that reintroduced Orange Everyphone
>> would solve that problem
>
> Change the record Steve. Everyphone is gone, get over it.
>
in disguise with their zero per month contract sim, which shows they are
watching what Orange have discarded
>
>> >Secure connection. UMA transport is over secure tunnel between the
>> >handset and the Security Gateway within the UMA core.
>
>> Sodding CIA / NSA / MI5 always listening in on my calls from the chilled
>> food isle at the supermarket to back home.
>
> So when you're up against something you can't argue against you resort
> to a silly comment. Nice to see that some things never change.
>
femtocell can provide
Back in the real world, people need more real BTS, not poncing off
VOIP over some poor sods BB
Steve Terry
mark
> "Jon" <s...@jonparker.plus.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >Secure connection. UMA transport is over secure tunnel between the
> >> >handset and the Security Gateway within the UMA core.
>
> >> Sodding CIA / NSA / MI5 always listening in on my calls from the chilled
> >> food isle at the supermarket to back home.
>
> > So when you're up against something you can't argue against you resort
> > to a silly comment. Nice to see that some things never change.
>
> People who need real phone security wouldn't just rely on what a
> femtocell can provide
>
Well, it's not really for voice security ... it's more to protect the
idenity of the SIM - but it does also protect the voice path from
those sniffing WiFi.
> Back in the real world, people need more real BTS, not poncing off
> VOIP over some poor sods BB
>
I tend to agree, although we will never be in the position of having
100% coverage - especially indoor. For some it will be useful, for
others not. Certainly in other parts of Europe UMA and Femto is more
popular.
Cheers,
Mark
Jon
> Maybe not, Three have introduced what is blatantly Orange OVP Virgin
> in disguise with their zero per month contract sim, which shows they are
> watching what Orange have discarded
It shows they are desperate for customers and are prepared to scrape the
barrle to acquire them.
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Steve Terry
> Jon
>
>
That's FT Orange, their management haven't a clue how to attract customers
back, only how to patronise them.
My Orange.net email is still down after more than a year, and the orange.net
email registrations server is still fecked after i complained 6 months ago.
I seem to have fallen off the monthly call back list to keep me updated
about fixing the email registrations server and apologise.
With half the staff making apologising phone calls there's no one left to
fix the faults
If Orange was an animal, the kindest thing would be to put a bullet in it's
head and finish it off.
Steve Terry
alexd
> If Orange was an animal, the kindest thing would be to put a bullet in
> it's head and finish it off.
The same could be said for your broken record.
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Jon
> That's FT Orange, their management haven't a clue how to attract customers
> back, only how to patronise them.
Who would want customers that spend £0 per month?
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Steve Terry
>Jon
>
>
It's that sort of lack of lateral thinking that has fecked up FT Orange
The network is going to make money from connection charges
for incoming calls, and outgoing call charges are relatively high.
It not as if Mobile networks have dedicated copper lines
and exchange equipment to maintain for every subscriber
like Landline companies have to.
So why the hell do the badly run networks like FT Orange act like one?!
Steve Terry
Jon
> It's that sort of lack of lateral thinking that has fecked up FT Orange
So fecked up that in a time of economic recession they can remain
extrmely profitable, be actively recruting staff and opening more shops?
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Steve Terry
> Jon
>
>
They have managed to lose more subscribers than any other UK network
I feel sorry for the guys in my local Orange shop, i don't think they've
seen a customer in days.
Steve Terry