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Re: Most modern smartphones are Android 4.0 or 4.1?
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Theo Markettos
Jan 2, 2013, 10:36:56 AM1/2/13
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Peter <occassional...@nospam.co.uk> wrote:
> I think Android must be doing some protection (like Symbian) otherwise
> nobody would sell apps for it.
On Android, some parts of the filesystem are hidden. If you want full
access you need to root your phone, which gives access to the underlying
Linux system as the root user. That means you can access all files, though
some need database tools (eg sqlite) to edit them. The rooting process
varies between phones - some are locked with no root currently available.
Theo
> I think Android must be doing some protection (like Symbian) otherwise
> nobody would sell apps for it.
On Android, some parts of the filesystem are hidden. If you want full
access you need to root your phone, which gives access to the underlying
Linux system as the root user. That means you can access all files, though
some need database tools (eg sqlite) to edit them. The rooting process
varies between phones - some are locked with no root currently available.
Theo
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R. Mark Clayton
Jan 2, 2013, 1:52:48 PM1/2/13
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"Peter" <occassional...@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1hq6e8lojgfha4ih5...@4ax.com...
> Just been looking at various really modern models and all seem to be
> just that.
>
> No problem; just wondered if there is convergence.
>
> I need a phone which gives full access to the filespace, without
> hacks, for stuff like emails and especially email attachments like
> PDFs.
>
> Obviously IOS phones have issues with that (I am very familiar).
>
> Symbian Belle is well hackable (I have a hacked Nokia 700) but it's
> usually very non-obvious what is stored where, and the filespace
> cannot be accessed fully via USB (on a PC/file browser); one can see
> it fully only with an app running on the phone which is a PITA.
One can see the phone's filespace if you connect as mass storage - there are
three blocks: -
The 'memory' of the phone - quite small - a few hundred Mb
The mass memory (flash) of the phone - 16Gb
The memory of the inserted uSD card (if any) - whatever you have plugged
in.
>
> I think Android must be doing some protection (like Symbian) otherwise
> nobody would sell apps for it.
it and delete [crucial system] files that have not been used for years.
>
> The Oppo Finder is quite interesting - just over 6mm thick but the
> screen isn't state of the art. OTOH the battery life is probably
> better as a result.
Hugh - in either England or Spain
Jan 2, 2013, 2:36:31 PM1/2/13
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On 02/01/2013 17:31, Peter wrote:
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> Theo Markettos <theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote
> Many thanks... in that case I need to find out which ones can be
> rooted.
>
> The other thing I read was that some phone makers have gone for an
> extensive customisation of the UI, and with those one is going to wait
> potentially much longer for firmware updates.
>
I rooted a Nokia a couple of years back (symbian) and changed it to
generic because it looked like the network that had put its version on
the phone was not going to relaease an update.
I am currently running an unbranded Galaxy S2 so I should get Jelly Bean
in the not too distant future. My Nexus 7 already has it.
>
> Theo Markettos <theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote
> rooted.
>
> The other thing I read was that some phone makers have gone for an
> extensive customisation of the UI, and with those one is going to wait
> potentially much longer for firmware updates.
>
I rooted a Nokia a couple of years back (symbian) and changed it to
generic because it looked like the network that had put its version on
the phone was not going to relaease an update.
I am currently running an unbranded Galaxy S2 so I should get Jelly Bean
in the not too distant future. My Nexus 7 already has it.
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AnthonyL
Jan 3, 2013, 4:13:11 PM1/3/13
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On 02 Jan 2013 15:36:56 +0000 (GMT), Theo Markettos
Thanks for that explanation. This is slightly OT but may be somewhat
useful - I have a Toshiba tablet which is offering me ICS (who comes
up with this naming?) which I understand to be v4.x. As I refuse to
update anything unless I can reverse the process I did some
investigation and Toshiba do not offer a backup procedure or a
downgrade procedure. I've been told that there is a hack to root the
current v3 so I can revert v4 back to v3 if I do the hack first, but
there is no current hacjk for v4. And I though Windows and Apple were
bad.
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AnthonyL
useful - I have a Toshiba tablet which is offering me ICS (who comes
up with this naming?) which I understand to be v4.x. As I refuse to
update anything unless I can reverse the process I did some
investigation and Toshiba do not offer a backup procedure or a
downgrade procedure. I've been told that there is a hack to root the
current v3 so I can revert v4 back to v3 if I do the hack first, but
there is no current hacjk for v4. And I though Windows and Apple were
bad.
--
AnthonyL
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Bob Eager
Jan 3, 2013, 5:34:30 PM1/3/13
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On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:28:20 +0000, Peter wrote:
> nos...@please.invalid (AnthonyL) wrote
> What's ICS?
Ice Cream Sandwich. Android 4.0.x
> What is the O/S?
See above.
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> nos...@please.invalid (AnthonyL) wrote
Ice Cream Sandwich. Android 4.0.x
> What is the O/S?
See above.
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http://www.mirrorservice.org
Andy Burns
Jan 3, 2013, 5:35:53 PM1/3/13
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Peter wrote:
> nos...@please.invalid (AnthonyL) wrote
>
> nos...@please.invalid (AnthonyL) wrote
>
>> I have a Toshiba tablet which is offering me ICS
>
> What's ICS?
>
<ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history#Android_4.0.x_Ice_Cream_Sandwich>
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Andy Burns
Jan 4, 2013, 5:51:59 AM1/4/13
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Peter wrote:
> Andy Burns <usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote
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>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history#Android_4.0.x_Ice_Cream_Sandwich>
>
> OK; most new smartphones run that, or 4.1
New ones yes; but Google's most recent stats show that across all active
devices gingerbread (2.3) has only recently dipped below 50%, newer
devices (4.x) are at 40%. I suspect that most devices still on 2.3 are
stuck there.
http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
> Andy Burns <usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote
>
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history#Android_4.0.x_Ice_Cream_Sandwich>
>
> OK; most new smartphones run that, or 4.1
New ones yes; but Google's most recent stats show that across all active
devices gingerbread (2.3) has only recently dipped below 50%, newer
devices (4.x) are at 40%. I suspect that most devices still on 2.3 are
stuck there.
http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
Adrian C
Jan 5, 2013, 11:44:24 AM1/5/13
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On 01/01/2013 23:02, Peter wrote:
> Just been looking at various really modern models and all seem to be
> just that.
>
> No problem; just wondered if there is convergence.
>
> I need a phone which gives full access to the filespace, without
> hacks, for stuff like emails and especially email attachments like
> PDFs.
Wait for Ubuntu?
> Just been looking at various really modern models and all seem to be
> just that.
>
> No problem; just wondered if there is convergence.
>
> I need a phone which gives full access to the filespace, without
> hacks, for stuff like emails and especially email attachments like
> PDFs.
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone
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Adrian C
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