great way to save on international calls
uk
I found a great way to make international calls on your BT Landlane or
Mobile without having to sign up to any services or making any prepayments.
1) Dial 0870 794 5960 (BT national rate) during the week
or 0844 570 5960 (5p/min - BT landline rate) at the weekend
2) Wait for the prompt and dial your destination number.
You can call landlines in the following countries:
Europe
Athens, Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany,
Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Moscow,
Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland,
Americas
Canada, Chile, Puerto Rico, Rio De Janeiro, Sao Paulo, US Virgin Islands,
USA landline USA mobiles.
Australasia & Asia
Australia, Hong Kong, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand, Singapore, South Korea.
If you are calling from a mobile or a non BT-landline, check with your
provider the cost of calling those numbers.
Some mobile providers include 0870 and / or 0844 as part of your free
minutes - check first.
-UK
Steve Terry
> Hi
> I found a great way to make international calls on your BT Landlane or
> Mobile without having to sign up to any services or making any prepayments.
>
> or 0844 xxxxxxxx (5p/min - BT landline rate) at the weekend
>
Or call TraUK 0870 206 2000
which you can use 24/7 to landlines in most of the world,
including most of the far east, and South America.
0870 comes out of ED50 offpeak,
or at 7.5p / 3.5p / 2.5p on Quip CC which can be used on any Orange talkplan
Steve Terry
Peter
>which is a great way to pay 400% more than Telediscount, using BT.
Exactly. ( www.telediscount.co.uk ). Between the two of us we'll
eventually manage to embarrass the ass of these guys until they
eventually stop spamming.
I can't believe the thread further up on the Falklands. The guy asks
for advice. A spammer comes in with an offer of 250% more than
Telediscount; so I suggest Telediscount. The guy confirms that
Telediscount was good and gave him good line quality. We then get four
other 'helpful' people offering alternatives, all of which are more
expensive!!! It beggars belief.
Sometimes you can't win!
Peter
Peter
<g4wwk-remov...@wormwoodscrubs.co.uk> wrote:
>Or call TraUK 0870 206 2000
>which you can use 24/7 to landlines in most of the world,
>including most of the far east, and South America.
Hmmmm. So Chile is most of South America? Back to the geography books
for you! All the other SA countries are charged at 25p/min by TraUK
(not an 0870 number).
Telediscount on the other hand offer Chile and Argentina at UK local
rates (0845, so up to 700% less expensive!!); Brazil, Colombia and
Venezuela at a flat 5p at all times (4p if you make the 0844 number
you 'best friend' on BT).
>0870 comes out of ED50 offpeak,
As does the cheaper 0845 number offered by Telediscount of course.
Do people have something against Telediscount? Why, when this company
seems to be beating the pants off the competition (especially in the
evening) don't they get more recognition on here?
Steve Terry
"Peter" <an...@anon.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:17:04 -0000, "Steve Terry"
> <g4wwk-remov...@wormwoodscrubs.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Or call TraUK 0870 206 2000
> >which you can use 24/7 to landlines in most of the world,
> >including most of the far east, and South America.
>
> Hmmmm. So Chile is most of South America? Back to the geography books
> for you! All the other SA countries are charged at 25p/min by TraUK
> (not an 0870 number).
>
> Telediscount on the other hand offer Chile and Argentina at UK local
> rates (0845, so up to 700% less expensive!!); Brazil, Colombia and
> Venezuela at a flat 5p at all times (4p if you make the 0844 number
> you 'best friend' on BT).
>
Far enough
check them all out at:
http://website.lineone.net/~iceburn/telecomuk.html
Steve Terry
Lars Wolos
> Do people have something against Telediscount? Why, when this company
> seems to be beating the pants off the competition (especially in the
> evening) don't they get more recognition on here?
They are great. And the only UK callthrough service where the called person
gets the original CLI including the 0044 prefix from the caller - at least in
Germany :-)
Regards,
Lars
Andrew Crane
You may find that its your posts that aren't getting the recognition, not
Telediscount. You can probably fix this by allowing others their opinion.
Here for instance is mine:
1. Price isn't everything.
2. Even if it were, you're cherry-picking your good rates and using them
as comparisons instead of
taking a fair spread.
Regards
Andrew
--
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9000000 wait for the
tone then dial your destination. For special offers and price reductions,
see www.dial00.com
Mikael Armstrong
Peter,
Just because Telediscount tend to offer very low rates to most destinations
they advertise, does not mean that costlier alternatives should be ignored.
Most people wish to be able to make calls at reasonable cost and make them
successfully. However routes to countries can vary in quality and
deteriorate over time. On the routes we offer, we have the capability of
routing calls to several carriers to ensure that we can maintain a good
level in call quality. Should a route begin to deterioate, we can send calls
via a different carrier. If we based pricing on one particular cheap
supplier, it may work very well for a period of time, but if it later became
congested, we would be stuck. This has been the case on a number of routes
we offer, but in our case we have sent the calls out via a different
carrier. It is probably unlikely that Telediscount will be in the position
of doing the same thing, given the margins they appear to be working with.
Companies like us will be around to provide the service should anything
happen to cause the quality to fall from the likes of Telediscount. It is up
to consumers to choose what they feel is best, but not everyone focuses
purely on price. as you appear to do. Anyway, if there are ever issues on a
call-through type service, you can start to spend more money on retrying
calls etc, than you would via a reliable more expensive pre-paid service,
when you only pay for connected time.
Mikael
Mikael Armstrong
I don't think anyone has anything against telediscount here. I suspect it is
more to do with you telling us all that Telediscount is the be all and end
all to discount international calls. There are many other companies other
than ourselves, such as Telesave, Dial00, even Just-Dial who offer a
competitive set of call-through products, but may not as cheap as
Telediscount. However it does not mean that they are run by rip-off
merchants. Just bare in mind that not everyone has the same requirements as
you.
Mikael
Peter
Mikael, my primary intent with regard to these postings is not to
'have a go' at you. It's just that I know, as I'm sure you do, that
this market is very competitive and that the main problem (with regard
to this market's efficiency) is customer ignorance and/or apathy.
Having said that, I would expect that in a specialised newsgroup (such
as uk.telecom) there would be more awareness, amongst those who
contribute, of the 'best' rates available to international
destinations.
I acknowledge that your company is by no means the most expensive out
there and, given the above mentioned customer apathy and ignorance, I
acknowledge that there are other dynamics at play in being a
successful business. The problem is that is that I find it worrying
that the select few that read this newsgroup seem to ignore the
obvious fact that Telediscount is the OVERALL leader in the field for
evening calls (see below).
On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:59:11 -0000, "Mikael Armstrong"
<Mik...@Lexgreen.com> wrote:
>I don't think anyone has anything against telediscount here.
I'm not sure. Just look at the previous threads we've both been
contributing to over the past couple of days. There does seem to be an
inexplicable tendency to ignore the pretty obvious leader in the
market (certainly, but not exclusively, in terms of calls made after
6pm).
I can only speculate as to the reasons. Most probably, as I've already
explained elsewhere, it's down to the fact that Telediscount's big
problem seems to be with customer relations. They change their access
numbers and increase their rates without communicating with their
users. That, combined with their willingness to email everyone in
their mailing list when a rate is REDUCED hardly inspires confidence.
>Just bare in mind that not everyone has the same requirements as
The are a number of customer "requirements"/considerations in this
market:
1) Cost:
Telediscount are the cheapest to most destinations in the evening.
Even their rates during the day are hardly uncompetitive. Combine
with that the fact that two of their most popular access numbers (0845
and 0844) are eligible for a 20% discount on BT Best Friend and you
have an unbeatable combination.
2) Quality
I've used Telediscount to a number of destinations and the quality of
the line has actually been better than other operators (specifically,
but not limited to, Superline and QX Telecom). Telediscount are
therefore, in my personal experience, at LEAST as good as most of the
competition when it comes to call quality. This was borne out in the
previous thread on uk.telecom by the guy who used them to phone the
Falklands.
3) Reliability
Telediscount have had some problems in the past with regard to being
'engaged' on their access numbers. This seems the be far less of a
problem recently. Additionally they seem to have a dubious record with
regard to customer relations but that's a pretty ubiquitous problem
in this market (Only tonight, I've found that QX Telecom changed one
of their London access numbers without informing their customers).
I've had similar problems in the past with other operators.
4) Ease of access
Telediscount have a distinct advantage over a lot of the competition
in that they provide a 'pay as you go' access model, using various
'premium' numbers on which they get a clawback. A lot of the other
operators require you to either register your landline for the service
(so you can't use them from elsewhere) or pay 'up front'. The fact
they can do this AND be one of the cheapest operators deserves
respect.
5) Customer Relations
Telediscount hardly shine on this measure but they still manage
medicority. I'm not sure that this is the most important issue for
most people.
The reason I have a 'bee in my bonnet' about all of this is that I
strongly believe that the best way of getting international call
charges reduced in the UK is by supporting those companies that come
up with the best rates. Without that support those companies will go
to the wall because of very tight margins.. Currently Telediscount is
one of the leaders in the field and need 'our' support.
To re-iterate, I have no connection with Telediscount whatsoever and
I'll stop singing their praises the instant any other operator starts
to compete with them on the above.
Peter
Mark Kelly
<g4wwk-remov...@wormwoodscrubs.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"Peter" <an...@anon.com> wrote in message
>news:9d5gsu4kge5d3mor5...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:17:04 -0000, "Steve Terry"
>> <g4wwk-remov...@wormwoodscrubs.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >Or call TraUK 0870 206 2000
>> >which you can use 24/7 to landlines in most of the world,
>> >including most of the far east, and South America.
>>
>> Hmmmm. So Chile is most of South America? Back to the geography books
>> for you! All the other SA countries are charged at 25p/min by TraUK
>> (not an 0870 number).
>>
>> Telediscount on the other hand offer Chile and Argentina at UK local
>> rates (0845, so up to 700% less expensive!!); Brazil, Colombia and
>> Venezuela at a flat 5p at all times (4p if you make the 0844 number
>> you 'best friend' on BT).
><snip>
>>
>Far enough
>check them all out at:
>http://website.lineone.net/~iceburn/telecomuk.html
>
a bit out of date thanx to TINY still not providing the network card
which I have been waiting for two months now!! (which bring up again
service level, my dad brought the laptop from them cause they were
cheap, we are now paying that x times over in delays, problems etc.)
anyway got the computer downstairs working now hence will install
dreamweaver on the weekend and update it. (to Linus, mickael, etc.)
since I know all the access numbers / country list is now outdated,
hence if there is major update on your sector if you tell me I will
make sure I do it this weekend.
NB: have we found out yet that YOUR plan orange tariff include 0870
calls yet or not? or are we still in the dark on that?
Mark Kelly
oh for crying out loud! in this case the person is a spammer. and
hence you all should come down like a ton of brick (at least how I see
it.) since it is not a unique service, would not surprise me if it is
a earning type scheme. anyway that is preside the point. now about
mike through he was just informing the person of his service which
fitted the bill. now it is a bit unfair (in fact nearly impossible
since companies keep say upcoming offers hidden from competitors) to
know what the other companies are doing. also he might be tied to
only recommend pre-dial, like when you goto say NATWEST bank they
can't say to you "oh I think you should buy premium bonds from the
post office." they can only advice you on what they offer. Lastly
and most important of all, is that price is not "EVERYTHING". for
example just two days ago I had a court order from SWALEC for an
unpaid bill. bit strange that I never been with SWALEC!.. ok it was
sorted out in the end, but the fact is you can say that is bad
service. likewise with telephone calls, the line might be worse, or
less reliable. of course for you after all trade off Telediscount is
best for you, but for someone else, maybe say pre-dial, telesave, etc
might be better, where they know the number won't change every other
month for example. hence would not have to change all their PABX
exchanges which cost money (and can quite easily wipe away any savings
if happens too much.)
Mark Kelly
>I'm not sure. Just look at the previous threads we've both been
>contributing to over the past couple of days. There does seem to be an
>inexplicable tendency to ignore the pretty obvious leader in the
>market (certainly, but not exclusively, in terms of calls made after
>6pm).
>
Actually I wonder "who" is the offical market leader in the call
through market. I mean you might think telediscount would be a market
leader cause of price. but just-dial came out first, ppl do not like
to change (just look how many ppl have BT lines still), also they have
a huge marketing budget it seems. (see just-dial in papers, london
underground, search engines, word of mouth, etc..) Hence quite
possibly just-dial might have the "lion share" of the market.
F Sabbah
I tried to use the Dial00 service last night but there was no
proper instruction as to what to press once you finished dialing
the overseas number (like a # or something like that)
I guess I must have wasted around 50 pence before I hung up.
Very annoying.
Regards,
Faisal
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Andrew Crane
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>
>
>
>
> I tried to use the Dial00 service last night but there was no
> proper instruction as to what to press once you finished dialing
> the overseas number (like a # or something like that)
>
> I guess I must have wasted around 50 pence before I hung up.
>
> Very annoying.
You don't have to dial anything after the number. I guess the service must
work as it is very popular.
Common problems include
- long delays between digits when dialling (five seconds maximum before
it goes off to dial)
- pressing "send" on a mobile after dialling the international leg of
the call
- Interworking problems at the far end, especially developing or obscure
countries
Regards
Andrew
spammersarevermin
Hi Mikael -
www.mirroredsite.net <-- does this ring a bell? I just recieved some
spam from you promoting this site. Just thought I'd let people know
what a scumbag you are. Full spam in NANAS. Some details of the mailer
below - open netbios ports on a spam mass mailer box - how stupid is
that?
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Steve Terry
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> "Mikael Armstrong" <Mik...@Lexgreen.com> wrote in message
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> > "Peter" <an...@anon.com> wrote in message
> > news:9d5gsu4kge5d3mor5...@4ax.com...
> > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:17:04 -0000, "Steve Terry"
> > > <g4wwk-remov...@wormwoodscrubs.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Mikael -
> www.mirroredsite.net <-- does this ring a bell? I just recieved some
> spam from you promoting this site. Just thought I'd let people know
> what a scumbag you are. Full spam in NANAS. Some details of the mailer
> below - open netbios ports on a spam mass mailer box - how stupid is
> that?
>
So what has that to do with the thread
"Re: great way to save on international calls" ??
If you are going to have a pointless rant kindly do it with your own "Subject"
thanks
Or better still if you have a Spam complaint ? Put an abuse report in with his
ISP.
Before I put one in about you ! :-(
Steve Terry
Buzzard
> > www.mirroredsite.net <-- does this ring a bell? I just recieved some
> > spam from you promoting this site. Just thought I'd let people know
> > what a scumbag you are. Full spam in NANAS. Some details of the mailer
> > below - open netbios ports on a spam mass mailer box - how stupid is
> > that?
> <snip rant>
> >
> So what has that to do with the thread
> "Re: great way to save on international calls" ??
People using this group should know what kind of things Mikael gets up to
before considering doing business with him. Therefore the post is relevant.
Steve Terry
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