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micky
Oct 4, 2021, 10:10:26 PM10/4/21
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In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 5 Oct 2021 00:52:50 +0100, Peter
<occassional...@nospam.co.uk> wrote:
>micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>> The upshot is, an expensive phone might work the same in Europe and the
>> USA, but a year-2019 250 dollar Android phone will not, unless you get a
>> Global model.
>
>I have a very cheap Samsung Galaxy A42 that I use every day in Europe.
>Will it work ok with a USA prepay nano-SIM card when I travel to the USA?
What do you call very cheap? :-) What I find is the Samsung Galaxy
A42 5G. Is that the one you mean? With 5G? The cheapest price I find
is $320, which is $45 more than what I paid (18 months ago.) I don't
think that is very cheap. Blu might be very cheap, at least their cheap
models.
If this is the one you have, this one seems unusual in that it doesn't
have any submodels listed by number, but it's clear that there are
submodels because the page below refers to dual sim model and Europe.
You use yours in Europe but did you buy it in Europe, at a store there
or a mail order company located there? (Even then it's conceivable they
sold a different model. Maybe someone asked them to order it but he
never picked it up** Or the wholesaler shipped the wrong phone.)
This is the gsmarena page:
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a42_5g-10412.php
In this case the qustion is sort of academic because the webpage lists
two sets of bands and the Europe set is the same as the other except
it's missing 34 and 39.
It does have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 20, 28, 38, 40, 41 - Europe
And 2 and 4 are the most popular, iiuc in the USA. I know almost
nothing about other bands. I think I was once using band 41 but I don't
know why.
So I think you're in very good shape.
Even with the wrong phone, I was able to use it in cities. Except
twice, and those places***, if I went a quarter mile away or whatever,
I'd be in range of a different tower which might have different bands.
And of course whoever is providing the cellular service makes a
differnce.
I think all the cellular services have coverage maps on the web. You
can click on the mint mobile map and it gives details about the
frequnencies/bands that it transmits on in that cell.
**You should look on the box it came in or in the settings to see if a
submodel is listed. It might matter some day.
<occassional...@nospam.co.uk> wrote:
>micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
>> The upshot is, an expensive phone might work the same in Europe and the
>> USA, but a year-2019 250 dollar Android phone will not, unless you get a
>> Global model.
>
>I have a very cheap Samsung Galaxy A42 that I use every day in Europe.
>Will it work ok with a USA prepay nano-SIM card when I travel to the USA?
What do you call very cheap? :-) What I find is the Samsung Galaxy
A42 5G. Is that the one you mean? With 5G? The cheapest price I find
is $320, which is $45 more than what I paid (18 months ago.) I don't
think that is very cheap. Blu might be very cheap, at least their cheap
models.
If this is the one you have, this one seems unusual in that it doesn't
have any submodels listed by number, but it's clear that there are
submodels because the page below refers to dual sim model and Europe.
You use yours in Europe but did you buy it in Europe, at a store there
or a mail order company located there? (Even then it's conceivable they
sold a different model. Maybe someone asked them to order it but he
never picked it up** Or the wholesaler shipped the wrong phone.)
This is the gsmarena page:
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a42_5g-10412.php
In this case the qustion is sort of academic because the webpage lists
two sets of bands and the Europe set is the same as the other except
it's missing 34 and 39.
It does have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 20, 28, 38, 40, 41 - Europe
And 2 and 4 are the most popular, iiuc in the USA. I know almost
nothing about other bands. I think I was once using band 41 but I don't
know why.
So I think you're in very good shape.
Even with the wrong phone, I was able to use it in cities. Except
twice, and those places***, if I went a quarter mile away or whatever,
I'd be in range of a different tower which might have different bands.
And of course whoever is providing the cellular service makes a
differnce.
I think all the cellular services have coverage maps on the web. You
can click on the mint mobile map and it gives details about the
frequnencies/bands that it transmits on in that cell.
**You should look on the box it came in or in the settings to see if a
submodel is listed. It might matter some day.
micky
Oct 4, 2021, 11:26:16 PM10/4/21
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In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 5 Oct 2021 04:05:35 +0100, Peter
>I just want to know if it works in the USA since you said Android doesn't.
What I said was "The upshot is, an expensive phone might work the same
>
>That's all I wanted to know because you said "a year-2019 250 dollar
>European Android phone will not work in the USA, unless you get a
>Global model."
You rearranged my sentence, and then put it in quotes. Rearranging is
okay usually, if you keep the meaning the same, but even then, putting
it in quotes afterwards is not. Quotes mean you are quoting what was
said, word for word, not just what you think was meant. And so
unnecessary now that we have copy and paste. I said it will not work
the same on both continents.
>Mine is in that same price range.
And mine is not very cheap either. :-)
>> Even with the wrong phone, I was able to use it in cities. Except
>> twice, and those places***, if I went a quarter mile away or whatever,
>> I'd be in range of a different tower which might have different bands.
>> And of course whoever is providing the cellular service makes a
>> differnce.
>
>I'm going to use a prepaid plan from one of the JFK vending machines.
>I'll look for a prepaid plan that has free roaming if they make them.
>
>If it has free roaming, does it even matter which tower I'm nearby to?
I don't know about that stuff, but my impression is if you have bands 2
and 4, you're in good shape anywhere in the US. OTOH, if that were
true, why do they have those other bands? Deep thoughts.
>> I think all the cellular services have coverage maps on the web. You
>> can click on the mint mobile map and it gives details about the
>> frequnencies/bands that it transmits on in that cell.
>> **You should look on the box it came in or in the settings to see if a
>> submodel is listed. It might matter some day.
>
>All I care about is whether it will work at Yale where I'm going to live for
>a month and if I can get a nano-SIM at JFK in one of the vending machines.
It probably depends on if enough people at Yale have cell phones. Does
anyone know about that? Compared to farmland.
>Which cellular phone carrier do you know of that has a good 1 month plan?
I don't know anything about that.
>(I probably will be on wifi a lot so 2 to 3 GB of data should last me.)
<occassional...@nospam.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>> This is the gsmarena page:
>> https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a42_5g-10412.php
>>
>> In this case the qustion is sort of academic because the webpage lists
>> two sets of bands and the Europe set is the same as the other except
>> it's missing 34 and 39.
>>
>> It does have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 20, 28, 38, 40, 41 - Europe
>
>I don't know anything about bands.
>
>
>> This is the gsmarena page:
>> https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a42_5g-10412.php
>>
>> In this case the qustion is sort of academic because the webpage lists
>> two sets of bands and the Europe set is the same as the other except
>> it's missing 34 and 39.
>>
>> It does have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 20, 28, 38, 40, 41 - Europe
>
>I just want to know if it works in the USA since you said Android doesn't.
What I said was "The upshot is, an expensive phone might work the same
in Europe and the USA, but a year-2019 250 dollar Android phone will
not, unless you get a Global model. "
It won't work the same in Europe and the US. Not that it won't work.
not, unless you get a Global model. "
>
>> And 2 and 4 are the most popular, iiuc in the USA. I know almost
>> nothing about other bands. I think I was once using band 41 but I don't
>> know why.
>>
>> So I think you're in very good shape.
>
>Thank you.
>> And 2 and 4 are the most popular, iiuc in the USA. I know almost
>> nothing about other bands. I think I was once using band 41 but I don't
>> know why.
>>
>> So I think you're in very good shape.
>
>
>That's all I wanted to know because you said "a year-2019 250 dollar
>European Android phone will not work in the USA, unless you get a
>Global model."
You rearranged my sentence, and then put it in quotes. Rearranging is
okay usually, if you keep the meaning the same, but even then, putting
it in quotes afterwards is not. Quotes mean you are quoting what was
said, word for word, not just what you think was meant. And so
unnecessary now that we have copy and paste. I said it will not work
the same on both continents.
>Mine is in that same price range.
And mine is not very cheap either. :-)
>> Even with the wrong phone, I was able to use it in cities. Except
>> twice, and those places***, if I went a quarter mile away or whatever,
>> I'd be in range of a different tower which might have different bands.
>> And of course whoever is providing the cellular service makes a
>> differnce.
>
>I'll look for a prepaid plan that has free roaming if they make them.
>
>If it has free roaming, does it even matter which tower I'm nearby to?
I don't know about that stuff, but my impression is if you have bands 2
and 4, you're in good shape anywhere in the US. OTOH, if that were
true, why do they have those other bands? Deep thoughts.
>> I think all the cellular services have coverage maps on the web. You
>> can click on the mint mobile map and it gives details about the
>> frequnencies/bands that it transmits on in that cell.
>> **You should look on the box it came in or in the settings to see if a
>> submodel is listed. It might matter some day.
>
>a month and if I can get a nano-SIM at JFK in one of the vending machines.
It probably depends on if enough people at Yale have cell phones. Does
anyone know about that? Compared to farmland.
>Which cellular phone carrier do you know of that has a good 1 month plan?
I don't know anything about that.
>(I probably will be on wifi a lot so 2 to 3 GB of data should last me.)
Carlos E. R.
Oct 5, 2021, 4:09:46 AM10/5/21
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On 05/10/2021 05.05, Peter wrote:
> micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
...
>> This is the gsmarena page:
>> https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a42_5g-10412.php
>>
>> In this case the qustion is sort of academic because the webpage lists
>> two sets of bands and the Europe set is the same as the other except
>> it's missing 34 and 39.
>>
>> It does have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 20, 28, 38, 40, 41 - Europe
>
The important thing is precisely what bands does your phone have, and
what bands does your USA provider have. Not if it is Android, version,
year, price.
...
>> Even with the wrong phone, I was able to use it in cities. Except
>> twice, and those places***, if I went a quarter mile away or whatever,
>> I'd be in range of a different tower which might have different bands.
>> And of course whoever is providing the cellular service makes a
>> differnce.
>
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
> micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> wrote:
...
>> This is the gsmarena page:
>> https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a42_5g-10412.php
>>
>> In this case the qustion is sort of academic because the webpage lists
>> two sets of bands and the Europe set is the same as the other except
>> it's missing 34 and 39.
>>
>> It does have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 20, 28, 38, 40, 41 - Europe
>
> I don't know anything about bands.
> I just want to know if it works in the USA since you said Android doesn't.
No, he did not say "Android doesn't".
> I just want to know if it works in the USA since you said Android doesn't.
The important thing is precisely what bands does your phone have, and
what bands does your USA provider have. Not if it is Android, version,
year, price.
...
>> Even with the wrong phone, I was able to use it in cities. Except
>> twice, and those places***, if I went a quarter mile away or whatever,
>> I'd be in range of a different tower which might have different bands.
>> And of course whoever is providing the cellular service makes a
>> differnce.
>
> I'm going to use a prepaid plan from one of the JFK vending machines.
> I'll look for a prepaid plan that has free roaming if they make them.
>
> If it has free roaming, does it even matter which tower I'm nearby to?
yes.
> I'll look for a prepaid plan that has free roaming if they make them.
>
> If it has free roaming, does it even matter which tower I'm nearby to?
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
Java Jive
Oct 5, 2021, 2:07:24 PM10/5/21
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>> The upshot is, an expensive phone might work the same in Europe and the
>> USA, but a year-2019 250 dollar Android phone will not, unless you get a
>> Global model.
>
>> USA, but a year-2019 250 dollar Android phone will not, unless you get a
>> Global model.
>
> I have a very cheap Samsung Galaxy A42 that I use every day in Europe.
> Will it work ok with a USA prepay nano-SIM card when I travel to the USA?
Why is this being cross-posted to uk.telecom.mobile?
> Will it work ok with a USA prepay nano-SIM card when I travel to the USA?
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micky
Oct 5, 2021, 2:08:24 PM10/5/21
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In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 05 Oct 2021 17:43:37 GMT,
sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> writes:
>>On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 10:49:26 AM UTC-4, danny burstein wrote:
>>> In <1e0ba75e-6727-4604...@googlegroups.com> trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> writes:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>> >Adding to the confusion, 3g is being shutdown in about a year or less.
>>> >So those with older phones need to make sure their phones support
>>> >Volte, voice over LTE, or they won't work when that happens. Carriers
>>> >are already refusing to activate those phones and some are already
>>> >cutting off existing ones, sometimes with no notice.
>>> Eyup. Acquantiances of mine using Tracfones (which contracts
>>> out to the actual cellcos) woke up to find their phones
>>> had turned into bricks...
>>>
>>
>>I saw online where it happened to someone on AT&T too. They claim no
>>warnings, no notice, the phone just stopped working one day.
>
>It's more likely they missed and/or ignored the warnings.
>
>The 2G shutdown Jan 1, 2017 affected a number of people with older phones
Aha!! I thought there was a 2G shutdown, 4 years ago you say, but if
you red my OP carefully, you'd see that I was getting 2G GSM at
locations in southern maryland and near Lancaster, Pa. (New Holland).
Just 9 and 2 days ago.
So how is that possible?
In Pa. I could even get satellite view, just slowly. I could put my sim
back into the previous phone and go there now and do it some more.
>and a bunch of IOT devices (e.g. solar inverter telemetry, etc). AT&T
>announced it in 2012, which is five years warning.
sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> writes:
>>On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 10:49:26 AM UTC-4, danny burstein wrote:
>>> In <1e0ba75e-6727-4604...@googlegroups.com> trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> writes:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>> >Adding to the confusion, 3g is being shutdown in about a year or less.
>>> >So those with older phones need to make sure their phones support
>>> >Volte, voice over LTE, or they won't work when that happens. Carriers
>>> >are already refusing to activate those phones and some are already
>>> >cutting off existing ones, sometimes with no notice.
>>> Eyup. Acquantiances of mine using Tracfones (which contracts
>>> out to the actual cellcos) woke up to find their phones
>>> had turned into bricks...
>>>
>>
>>I saw online where it happened to someone on AT&T too. They claim no
>>warnings, no notice, the phone just stopped working one day.
>
>It's more likely they missed and/or ignored the warnings.
>
>The 2G shutdown Jan 1, 2017 affected a number of people with older phones
Aha!! I thought there was a 2G shutdown, 4 years ago you say, but if
you red my OP carefully, you'd see that I was getting 2G GSM at
locations in southern maryland and near Lancaster, Pa. (New Holland).
Just 9 and 2 days ago.
So how is that possible?
In Pa. I could even get satellite view, just slowly. I could put my sim
back into the previous phone and go there now and do it some more.
>and a bunch of IOT devices (e.g. solar inverter telemetry, etc). AT&T
>announced it in 2012, which is five years warning.
Andy Burns
Oct 5, 2021, 2:17:28 PM10/5/21
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Java Jive wrote:
> Why is this being cross-posted to uk.telecom.mobile?
Why not? It's about someone who has bought a UK mobile and wants to know if
> Why is this being cross-posted to uk.telecom.mobile?
it'll work in the USA
Scott Lurndal
Oct 5, 2021, 3:53:53 PM10/5/21
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micky <NONONO...@fmguy.com> writes:
>In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 05 Oct 2021 17:43:37 GMT,
>sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>
>>trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> writes:
>>>On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 10:49:26 AM UTC-4, danny burstein wrote:
>>>> In <1e0ba75e-6727-4604...@googlegroups.com> trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>> >Adding to the confusion, 3g is being shutdown in about a year or less.
>>>> >So those with older phones need to make sure their phones support
>>>> >Volte, voice over LTE, or they won't work when that happens. Carriers
>>>> >are already refusing to activate those phones and some are already
>>>> >cutting off existing ones, sometimes with no notice.
>>>> Eyup. Acquantiances of mine using Tracfones (which contracts
>>>> out to the actual cellcos) woke up to find their phones
>>>> had turned into bricks...
>>>>
>>>
>>>I saw online where it happened to someone on AT&T too. They claim no
>>>warnings, no notice, the phone just stopped working one day.
>>
>>It's more likely they missed and/or ignored the warnings.
>>
>>The 2G shutdown Jan 1, 2017 affected a number of people with older phones
>
>Aha!! I thought there was a 2G shutdown,
AT&T shut down their 2g in 2017. Verizon Jan 1 2021, Sprint Jan 1 2022.
>In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 05 Oct 2021 17:43:37 GMT,
>sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>
>>trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> writes:
>>>On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 10:49:26 AM UTC-4, danny burstein wrote:
>>>> In <1e0ba75e-6727-4604...@googlegroups.com> trader_4 <tra...@optonline.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>> >Adding to the confusion, 3g is being shutdown in about a year or less.
>>>> >So those with older phones need to make sure their phones support
>>>> >Volte, voice over LTE, or they won't work when that happens. Carriers
>>>> >are already refusing to activate those phones and some are already
>>>> >cutting off existing ones, sometimes with no notice.
>>>> Eyup. Acquantiances of mine using Tracfones (which contracts
>>>> out to the actual cellcos) woke up to find their phones
>>>> had turned into bricks...
>>>>
>>>
>>>I saw online where it happened to someone on AT&T too. They claim no
>>>warnings, no notice, the phone just stopped working one day.
>>
>>It's more likely they missed and/or ignored the warnings.
>>
>>The 2G shutdown Jan 1, 2017 affected a number of people with older phones
>
>Aha!! I thought there was a 2G shutdown,
>
>So how is that possible?
>
Mark Lloyd
Oct 6, 2021, 3:26:27 PM10/6/21
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On 10/5/21 2:53 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
[snip]
> AT&T shut down their 2g in 2017. Verizon Jan 1 2021, Sprint Jan 1 2022.
Verizon has put this off more than once. Originally, Verizon was going
to shut down at the end of 2019. Now it's the end of 2022 (T-mobile as
well). I got these numbers from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2G
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[snip]
> AT&T shut down their 2g in 2017. Verizon Jan 1 2021, Sprint Jan 1 2022.
to shut down at the end of 2019. Now it's the end of 2022 (T-mobile as
well). I got these numbers from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2G
--
80 days until the winter celebration (Saturday, December 25, 2021
12:00:00 AM for 1 day).
Mark Lloyd
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"We need a new cosmology. New Gods. New Sacraments. Another drink."
[Patti Smith]
sms
Oct 6, 2021, 4:47:11 PM10/6/21
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On 10/6/2021 12:26 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On 10/5/21 2:53 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> AT&T shut down their 2g in 2017. Verizon Jan 1 2021, Sprint Jan 1 2022.
>
> Verizon has put this off more than once. Originally, Verizon was going
> to shut down at the end of 2019. Now it's the end of 2022 (T-mobile as
> well). I got these numbers from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2G
There's a huge number of legacy IOT devices that depend on CDMA
> On 10/5/21 2:53 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> AT&T shut down their 2g in 2017. Verizon Jan 1 2021, Sprint Jan 1 2022.
>
> Verizon has put this off more than once. Originally, Verizon was going
> to shut down at the end of 2019. Now it's the end of 2022 (T-mobile as
> well). I got these numbers from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2G
connectivity, like a lot of vehicles with OnStar. When AT&T shut down
their 1x GSM network T-Mobile got some of that business, at least in
areas where they had a network, though a lot of those GSM devices were
in remote areas that had only AT&T GSM coverage.
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