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Mack Danife
Mar 8, 2014, 6:04:09 PM3/8/14
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I had a bt email over 20 years now -before Yahoo before ADSL ;) - heaven
knows where i am registered with that e mail. Subscriptions, forums, online
accounts etc.
I had broadband account with O2- ( now with awfull Sky ).. Bt sends me
email that they will stop my .btinternet email unless I start paying £1.60
a month or I get a broadband from them in which case it will continue
free as before . ( I wish I could get a broadband with BT without paying
Sky a hefty sum to release from my contract )
£1.60 may not be an issue itself but the manner BT is forcing and
threatening that they will cancel your email just like that seems unfair to
me.
P.S = I read somehere that BT was ending Yahoo venture.
bert
Mar 8, 2014, 7:41:54 PM3/8/14
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In message <6e7nh9dklqriap2up...@4ax.com>, Mack Danife
<mack...@gmail.com> writes
Why should they provide you with this service f-o-c?
year.
--
bert
<mack...@gmail.com> writes
>P.S = I read somehere that BT was ending Yahoo venture.
Switching to Critical Path. Supposedly migration starting June last
year.
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bert
Mack Danife
Mar 8, 2014, 8:47:25 PM3/8/14
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On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 00:41:54 +0000, bert <bert@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
>In message <6e7nh9dklqriap2up...@4ax.com>, Mack Danife
><mack...@gmail.com> writes
>>
>>I had a bt email over 20 years now -before Yahoo before ADSL ;) - heaven
>>knows where i am registered with that e mail. Subscriptions, forums, online
>>accounts etc.
>>
>>I had broadband account with O2- ( now with awfull Sky ).. Bt sends me
>>email that they will stop my .btinternet email unless I start paying £1.60
>>a month or I get a broadband from them in which case it will continue
>>free as before . ( I wish I could get a broadband with BT without paying
>>Sky a hefty sum to release from my contract )
>>
>>£1.60 may not be an issue itself but the manner BT is forcing and
>>threatening that they will cancel your email just like that seems unfair to
>>me.
>>
>Why should they provide you with this service f-o-c?
They had been doing it for 20 years
>In message <6e7nh9dklqriap2up...@4ax.com>, Mack Danife
><mack...@gmail.com> writes
>>
>>I had a bt email over 20 years now -before Yahoo before ADSL ;) - heaven
>>knows where i am registered with that e mail. Subscriptions, forums, online
>>accounts etc.
>>
>>I had broadband account with O2- ( now with awfull Sky ).. Bt sends me
>>email that they will stop my .btinternet email unless I start paying £1.60
>>a month or I get a broadband from them in which case it will continue
>>free as before . ( I wish I could get a broadband with BT without paying
>>Sky a hefty sum to release from my contract )
>>
>>£1.60 may not be an issue itself but the manner BT is forcing and
>>threatening that they will cancel your email just like that seems unfair to
>>me.
>>
>Why should they provide you with this service f-o-c?
besides they can freely monitor what i write !!!!!! in their
OWN SERVERS ;) or will they be paying yahoo for it ;)
It will still be free if i subscribe to broadband.
David
Mar 9, 2014, 12:13:07 AM3/9/14
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Do not understand you having to pay Sky to enable you to go to BT.
I'm with Be and like O2 migrating to Sky as O2 sold both O2 and Be broadband
to Sky. In fact I migrate next week.
Like with Be I only have to give one months notice if I want to leave.
Can't see why you should think BT should give things for free like your
e-mail service. Unless they make money with adverts like other free e-mail
services do.
Regards
David
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I'm with Be and like O2 migrating to Sky as O2 sold both O2 and Be broadband
to Sky. In fact I migrate next week.
Like with Be I only have to give one months notice if I want to leave.
Can't see why you should think BT should give things for free like your
e-mail service. Unless they make money with adverts like other free e-mail
services do.
Regards
David
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Peter Crosland
Mar 9, 2014, 5:17:57 AM3/9/14
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broadband customer it was inclusive. They just overlooked, or ignored,
the account once you left and have now woken up. They have every right
to close the account and you really have no redress.
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Peter Crosland
Scott
Mar 9, 2014, 6:39:29 AM3/9/14
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On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 01:47:25 +0000, Mack Danife <mack...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 00:41:54 +0000, bert <bert@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
>
>>In message <6e7nh9dklqriap2up...@4ax.com>, Mack Danife
>><mack...@gmail.com> writes
>>>
>>>I had a bt email over 20 years now -before Yahoo before ADSL ;) - heaven
>>>knows where i am registered with that e mail. Subscriptions, forums, online
>>>accounts etc.
>>>
>>>I had broadband account with O2- ( now with awfull Sky ).. Bt sends me
>>>email that they will stop my .btinternet email unless I start paying £1.60
>>>a month or I get a broadband from them in which case it will continue
>>>free as before . ( I wish I could get a broadband with BT without paying
>>>Sky a hefty sum to release from my contract )
>>>
>>>£1.60 may not be an issue itself but the manner BT is forcing and
>>>threatening that they will cancel your email just like that seems unfair to
>>>me.
>>>
>>Why should they provide you with this service f-o-c?
>They had been doing it for 20 years
> besides they can freely monitor what i write !!!!!! in their
> OWN SERVERS ;) or will they be paying yahoo for it ;)
>
From the business perspective I can see an argument against providing
a free service to non-customers! I believe there are data protection
issues that would prevent monitoring the content of your emails and in
any event I cannot see how such activity would benefit BT.
wrote:
>On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 00:41:54 +0000, bert <bert@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
>
>>In message <6e7nh9dklqriap2up...@4ax.com>, Mack Danife
>><mack...@gmail.com> writes
>>>
>>>I had a bt email over 20 years now -before Yahoo before ADSL ;) - heaven
>>>knows where i am registered with that e mail. Subscriptions, forums, online
>>>accounts etc.
>>>
>>>I had broadband account with O2- ( now with awfull Sky ).. Bt sends me
>>>email that they will stop my .btinternet email unless I start paying £1.60
>>>a month or I get a broadband from them in which case it will continue
>>>free as before . ( I wish I could get a broadband with BT without paying
>>>Sky a hefty sum to release from my contract )
>>>
>>>£1.60 may not be an issue itself but the manner BT is forcing and
>>>threatening that they will cancel your email just like that seems unfair to
>>>me.
>>>
>>Why should they provide you with this service f-o-c?
>They had been doing it for 20 years
> besides they can freely monitor what i write !!!!!! in their
> OWN SERVERS ;) or will they be paying yahoo for it ;)
>
a free service to non-customers! I believe there are data protection
issues that would prevent monitoring the content of your emails and in
any event I cannot see how such activity would benefit BT.
Roger Mills
Mar 9, 2014, 7:10:51 AM3/9/14
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On 08/03/2014 23:04, Mack Danife wrote:
>
>
you received an internet service from BT for which you paid them in one
way or another - such as dial-up using an 0845 number or a fixed price
monthly contract?
And, presumably, you're now paying a different company for your internet
service? If so, why do you believe that BT should continue to provide
you with a free email service?
Some organisations *do* actually do this. For example, I'm still able to
use a Freeserve email address even though I haven't had a
Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange account for many years. But I have no absolute
*right* to that. If Orange were to withdraw it, I would have no
legitimate grounds for complaint because they don't get any revenue from me.
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George Weston
Mar 9, 2014, 7:14:13 AM3/9/14
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wasn't long before I got the email from BT asking me to pay if I wanted
to continue with the @btinternet.com email address. I did just that for
a few months, until I'd advised all my contacts of my new Plusnet email
address, and then ceased the BT one.
You've actually been lucky that they've only just caught up with you!
Pay up and look big...
Peter Able
Mar 9, 2014, 7:15:15 AM3/9/14
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"Mack Danife" <mack...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6e7nh9dklqriap2up...@4ax.com...
>
> I had a bt email over 20 years now -before Yahoo before ADSL ;) - heaven
> knows where i am registered with that e mail. Subscriptions, forums,
> online
> accounts etc.
>
I also have such an email account. I'm most grateful to the current
> I had a bt email over 20 years now -before Yahoo before ADSL ;) - heaven
> knows where i am registered with that e mail. Subscriptions, forums,
> online
> accounts etc.
>
servicer of that long-defunct ISP's customers - a servicer who has never had
a penny out of me.
If he chooses to demand payment for future services - or just to cut me
off - I'll be grateful for what I've had - and move on.
PA
Mack Danife
Mar 9, 2014, 7:52:28 AM3/9/14
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On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 05:13:07 -0000, "David" <dnp...@tesco.net> wrote:
>Do not understand you having to pay Sky to enable you to go to BT.
>
>I'm with Be and like O2 migrating to Sky as O2 sold both O2 and Be broadband
>to Sky. In fact I migrate next week.
>Like with Be I only have to give one months notice if I want to leave.
Be very careful when you are dealing with any SKY company. They are NOT
>Do not understand you having to pay Sky to enable you to go to BT.
>
>I'm with Be and like O2 migrating to Sky as O2 sold both O2 and Be broadband
>to Sky. In fact I migrate next week.
>Like with Be I only have to give one months notice if I want to leave.
HONEST when they are talking to you. Ask confirmation of everything by
email or letter. Even then you will notice some bits would be missing.
This is how migration will work .
Once you migrated you will have two accounts within SKY . As well as
carrying your existing account with BE SKY will open a new one.You will have
two bills .One from BE .That one most likely be in credit . The other bill
will be from SKY and will charge you set up fees and a month advance as well
as the remainder of time of from the migration date. When you ring them
they will offer you a new better deal than the one they had already set up
for you or make a discount from set up fee. Once you agree to this you are
on a new contract. They will put you on a contract without cancellation /
cooling off period . Then when you want to cancel they will ask an amount
for cancellation. At least half the remainder of your broadband contract.
DO NOT web pages and web forms to fill as they will either be in a vicious
circle or will go to wrong department as the dropboxes will not have your
choice for changes you require.
I could go on more , but all these may be irrelevant to you. If you play
your cards right and ask for your MAC code you might end up with a good deal
on ayearly contract. As you say you have the right to cancel with no hassle
since you are a migrating NEW customer.
Remmeber SKY is not there to give you a service. It is there to charge you
for what you can otherwise get free or half the price.
Their online poker is good ..;)
>Can't see why you should think BT should give things for free like your
>e-mail service. Unless they make money with adverts like other free e-mail
>services do.
>
>Regards
>David
>
Mack Danife
Mar 9, 2014, 8:13:28 AM3/9/14
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On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 11:10:51 +0000, Roger Mills <watt....@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On 08/03/2014 23:04, Mack Danife wrote:
>
>Presumably, at the time when you first acquired the btinternet address,
>you received an internet service from BT for which you paid them in one
>way or another - such as dial-up using an 0845 number or a fixed price
>monthly contract?
Yes. At the time there was no other telephone company whatsoever. You
registered free for e mail and used dial up. AOL, Pipex Compuserve etc was
providing internet services. BT with 57Kb dialup was best. I have always
preferred BT and only moved away, when they no longer provide the service.
Hence O2, hence other Usenet providers. I will go back to BT as soon as I
can . I hope one day they will start giving mobile services too.
>And, presumably, you're now paying a different company for your internet
>service? If so, why do you believe that BT should continue to provide
>you with a free email service?
I use web mail, Provider makes revenue from advertisements from their pages.
msn, yahoo, google provide many free services. Why do they do it ?
>Some organisations *do* actually do this. For example, I'm still able to
>use a Freeserve email address even though I haven't had a
>Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange account for many years. But I have no absolute
>*right* to that. If Orange were to withdraw it, I would have no
>legitimate grounds for complaint because they don't get any revenue from me.
So you can be a revenue bringing tool even though not paying directly. ;)
As you say ,why would they do it otherwise. Maybe numbers look on their
balance sheets.
wrote:
>On 08/03/2014 23:04, Mack Danife wrote:
>
>Presumably, at the time when you first acquired the btinternet address,
>you received an internet service from BT for which you paid them in one
>way or another - such as dial-up using an 0845 number or a fixed price
>monthly contract?
registered free for e mail and used dial up. AOL, Pipex Compuserve etc was
providing internet services. BT with 57Kb dialup was best. I have always
preferred BT and only moved away, when they no longer provide the service.
Hence O2, hence other Usenet providers. I will go back to BT as soon as I
can . I hope one day they will start giving mobile services too.
>And, presumably, you're now paying a different company for your internet
>service? If so, why do you believe that BT should continue to provide
>you with a free email service?
msn, yahoo, google provide many free services. Why do they do it ?
>Some organisations *do* actually do this. For example, I'm still able to
>use a Freeserve email address even though I haven't had a
>Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange account for many years. But I have no absolute
>*right* to that. If Orange were to withdraw it, I would have no
>legitimate grounds for complaint because they don't get any revenue from me.
As you say ,why would they do it otherwise. Maybe numbers look on their
balance sheets.
Mack Danife
Mar 9, 2014, 8:26:32 AM3/9/14
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On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 11:14:13 +0000, George Weston
<geow...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>On 09/03/2014 09:17, Peter Crosland wrote:
>> On 08/03/2014 23:04, Mack Danife wrote:
>>>
>>> I had a bt email over 20 years now -before Yahoo before ADSL ;) - heaven
>>> knows where i am registered with that e mail. Subscriptions, forums,
>>> online
>>> accounts etc.
<geow...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>On 09/03/2014 09:17, Peter Crosland wrote:
>> On 08/03/2014 23:04, Mack Danife wrote:
>>>
>>> I had a bt email over 20 years now -before Yahoo before ADSL ;) - heaven
>>> knows where i am registered with that e mail. Subscriptions, forums,
>>> online
>>> accounts etc.
>You've actually been lucky that they've only just caught up with you!
>Pay up and look big...
I hear what you are saying..
>Pay up and look big...
I think I will pay 3network, Telefonica, Google, MSN, Skype, and ride on my
Volkswagen, and look even bigger and more Liberal
David
Mar 9, 2014, 8:35:31 AM3/9/14
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I have what I agreed to migrate to in writing from Sky.
Any credit with Be at migration will be returned to me.
Regards
David
"Mack Danife" wrote in message
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Any credit with Be at migration will be returned to me.
Regards
David
"Mack Danife" wrote in message
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Graham.
Mar 9, 2014, 8:58:04 AM3/9/14
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I have two Freeserve email accounts from the days of Freeserve
dial-up, about 13 years old.
Over the years Freeserve and then Wanadoo have tried to claw them back
by making me reactivate them at three month intervals to stop them
expiring. The current owners, Orange, have stopped doing that and I am
grateful to still have them.
Like the OP I have countless Internet memberships for a wide range of
services using them. It would be very inconvenient to lose them, but
if I did I wouldn't feel an injustice had been done.
If I was going to pay for an email service, I would at least get my
own domain name.
tigger
Mar 9, 2014, 9:18:19 AM3/9/14
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Graham. writted thus:
> On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 11:15:15 -0000, "Peter Able" <stuck@home> wrote:
>
>
>>"Mack Danife" <mack...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:6e7nh9dklqriap2up...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> I had a bt email over 20 years now -before Yahoo before ADSL ;) -
>>> heaven knows where i am registered with that e mail. Subscriptions,
>>> forums, online accounts etc.
>>>
>>>
>>I also have such an email account. I'm most grateful to the current
>>servicer of that long-defunct ISP's customers - a servicer who has never
>>had a penny out of me.
>>
>>If he chooses to demand payment for future services - or just to cut me
>>off - I'll be grateful for what I've had - and move on.
>>
>>PA
>
>
>
£8.99 a year...
http://www.heartinternet.co.uk/email-hosting
> On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 11:15:15 -0000, "Peter Able" <stuck@home> wrote:
>
>
>>"Mack Danife" <mack...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:6e7nh9dklqriap2up...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> I had a bt email over 20 years now -before Yahoo before ADSL ;) -
>>> heaven knows where i am registered with that e mail. Subscriptions,
>>> forums, online accounts etc.
>>>
>>>
>>I also have such an email account. I'm most grateful to the current
>>servicer of that long-defunct ISP's customers - a servicer who has never
>>had a penny out of me.
>>
>>If he chooses to demand payment for future services - or just to cut me
>>off - I'll be grateful for what I've had - and move on.
>>
>>PA
>
>
>
> If I was going to pay for an email service, I would at least get my own
> domain name.
Yes, you can get a personal pop or imap mail server for as little as
> domain name.
£8.99 a year...
http://www.heartinternet.co.uk/email-hosting
R. Mark Clayton
Mar 9, 2014, 10:22:45 AM3/9/14
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BY don't even keep your numbers when you migrate: -
About ten years ago BT unilaterally migrated my Business Highway to ADSL.
In the process they switched my internet account to a BTConnect one, but
kindly let me pay a premium fee to keep my well known btinternet one (and
obtained as a business deal, not residential as BT claimed). They were also
unable to migrate the secondary number on the Highway box to the BT
Broadband Voice (VOIP) line provided, so after much hassle and delay I had
to port it out to Voipfone.
About five years ago (after my employer stopped paying for my business line)
I migrated the business line to residential. Again BT were unable (well
unwilling really) to migrate the cal sign number (used for Fax) with the
main number. After enormous hassle and delay (because BT claimed the number
was with another provider) the fax number was eventually ported out to
Voipfone. At least I was able to migrate the ISP to residential as well to
go back to using my btinternet address as my primary email address and get
rid of the BTConnect one and stop paying the 'premium'.
Now BT have started charging me for my BT Broadband Talk number and worse,
if I migrate to Infinity I will lose it altogether. BT having learnt from
their lost business through their previous intransigence are simply refusing
to transfer it at all.
In short it is hard to imagine how BT could be more difficult and bloody
minded about keeping phone numbers and addresses, but I am sure they will
keep thinking up ways to be even more customer hostile...
Mike Tomlinson
Mar 9, 2014, 10:23:55 AM3/9/14
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En el artículo <s1hoh9pv0kmen934o...@4ax.com>, Scott
<newsg...@gefion.myzen.co.uk> escribió:
>I believe there are data protection
>issues that would prevent monitoring the content of your emails and in
>any event I cannot see how such activity would benefit BT.
Tell that to Google, if you take up a gmail account you give them
express permission to read your emails, and they will target advertising
at you based on the contents.
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(='.'=)
(")_(")
<newsg...@gefion.myzen.co.uk> escribió:
>I believe there are data protection
>issues that would prevent monitoring the content of your emails and in
>any event I cannot see how such activity would benefit BT.
express permission to read your emails, and they will target advertising
at you based on the contents.
--
(\_/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")
the dog from that film you saw
Mar 9, 2014, 10:40:10 AM3/9/14
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On 08/03/2014 23:04, Mack Danife wrote:
>
>
broadband service !?
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Gareth.
That fly.... Is your magic wand.
Stephen Wolstenholme
Mar 9, 2014, 10:59:40 AM3/9/14
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On Sun, 9 Mar 2014 14:23:55 +0000, Mike Tomlinson <mi...@jasper.org.uk>
wrote:
I have gmail account and I gave Google permission to read my emails.
It works both ways as they finish up advertising for me. Any
advertising targeted to me hits Agents junk detection so I rarely see
any.
Steve
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wrote:
It works both ways as they finish up advertising for me. Any
advertising targeted to me hits Agents junk detection so I rarely see
any.
Steve
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kraftee
Mar 9, 2014, 11:27:03 AM3/9/14
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news:s8noh99va7hmn7bps...@4ax.com...
If you want a serious answer just pay for a company to host your own mail
server then no matter who you go with, who you fall out with etc your email
address will remain that which you have arranged with your hosting company.
I think I'm correct in thinking that you wouldn't even need a service
provider if you had enough free WiFi access available (they're even
providing it on buses around here) as you could just access thru one of
those.
Email services are included in the package you pay an ISP for (normally,
sometimes you don't even get that). Why should they then keep an email
service open for ex customers for free using resources which the ex customer
isn't paying for? The same goes for in house news groups/forums even any
WebPages you may have published.
As for any problems you may be having with your present ISP, that is an
altogether different matter.
server then no matter who you go with, who you fall out with etc your email
address will remain that which you have arranged with your hosting company.
I think I'm correct in thinking that you wouldn't even need a service
provider if you had enough free WiFi access available (they're even
providing it on buses around here) as you could just access thru one of
those.
Email services are included in the package you pay an ISP for (normally,
sometimes you don't even get that). Why should they then keep an email
service open for ex customers for free using resources which the ex customer
isn't paying for? The same goes for in house news groups/forums even any
WebPages you may have published.
As for any problems you may be having with your present ISP, that is an
altogether different matter.
Jim
Mar 9, 2014, 4:00:06 PM3/9/14
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>Some organisations *do* actually do this. For example, I'm still able to
>use a Freeserve email address even though I haven't had a
>Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange account for many years. But I have no absolute
>*right* to that. If Orange were to withdraw it, I would have no
>legitimate grounds for complaint because they don't get any revenue from me.
If you're no longer with Freeserve etc., how do
>use a Freeserve email address even though I haven't had a
>Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange account for many years. But I have no absolute
>*right* to that. If Orange were to withdraw it, I would have no
>legitimate grounds for complaint because they don't get any revenue from me.
you access your Freeserve Email ?
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Michael R N Dolbear
Mar 9, 2014, 5:28:37 PM3/9/14
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"Jim" wrote in message news:20iph990rtnrhud1b...@4ax.com...
On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 11:10:51 +0000, Roger Mills <watt....@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Some organisations *do* actually do this. For example, I'm still able to
>use a Freeserve email address even though I haven't had a
>Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange account for many years. But I have no absolute
>*right* to that. If Orange were to withdraw it, I would have no
>legitimate grounds for complaint because they don't get any revenue from
>me.
Freeserve Email ?
also @wanadoo @freeserve @fsnet @fsbusiness @fsworld @fslife
@orange.net @fsmail.net
pop.orangehome.co.uk
Webmail at http://web.orange.co.uk/p/communicate/home
the help is mostly at http://help.ee.co.uk these days
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Roger Mills
Mar 9, 2014, 5:37:17 PM3/9/14
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On 09/03/2014 20:00, Jim wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 11:10:51 +0000, Roger Mills<watt....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Some organisations *do* actually do this. For example, I'm still able to
>> use a Freeserve email address even though I haven't had a
>> Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange account for many years. But I have no absolute
>> *right* to that. If Orange were to withdraw it, I would have no
>> legitimate grounds for complaint because they don't get any revenue from me.
>
> If you're no longer with Freeserve etc., how do
> you access your Freeserve Email ?
>
Maybe I need to clarify what I wrote earlier. I haven't had an account
> On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 11:10:51 +0000, Roger Mills<watt....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Some organisations *do* actually do this. For example, I'm still able to
>> use a Freeserve email address even though I haven't had a
>> Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange account for many years. But I have no absolute
>> *right* to that. If Orange were to withdraw it, I would have no
>> legitimate grounds for complaint because they don't get any revenue from me.
>
> If you're no longer with Freeserve etc., how do
> you access your Freeserve Email ?
>
for which I pay money to Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange for many years, but
when I moved to PlusNet as my ISP, my old account was downgraded to
"PAYG" - enabling me to access it using a dial-up connection. *However*,
I can also access it from *any* internet connection, including PlusNet
broadband. I can still use my old Freeserve UserID and pasword to log on
to the (now) Orange pop server and retrieve incoming emails. OR, I can
log on to orange Webmail.
I can't *send* emails via Orange's smtp server unless I dial in to the
Orange server - which I never do - but I can *still* send emails from my
Freeserve address by pointing my mail client (Outlook) at PlusNet's smtp
server instead. In other words, the setup in Outlook for that particular
email account says: Incoming mail server: pop.freeserve.net[1] and
Outgoing mail server: relay.plus.net[2]
[1] Surprisingly, pop.freeserve.net is still valid, and resolves to an
Orange server address
[2] This is PlusNet's smtp server
Graham.
Mar 9, 2014, 5:51:26 PM3/9/14
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On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 20:00:06 +0000, Jim <Che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 11:10:51 +0000, Roger Mills <watt....@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Some organisations *do* actually do this. For example, I'm still able to
>>use a Freeserve email address even though I haven't had a
>>Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange account for many years. But I have no absolute
>>*right* to that. If Orange were to withdraw it, I would have no
>>legitimate grounds for complaint because they don't get any revenue from me.
>
> If you're no longer with Freeserve etc., how do
>you access your Freeserve Email ?
Via the same POP server as we have always used, pop.freeserve.co.uk
>On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 11:10:51 +0000, Roger Mills <watt....@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Some organisations *do* actually do this. For example, I'm still able to
>>use a Freeserve email address even though I haven't had a
>>Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange account for many years. But I have no absolute
>>*right* to that. If Orange were to withdraw it, I would have no
>>legitimate grounds for complaint because they don't get any revenue from me.
>
> If you're no longer with Freeserve etc., how do
>you access your Freeserve Email ?
(I suspect pop.orangehome.co.uk resolves to the same IP)
because our accounts are still active on the Orange system.
Remember these accounts are tied only to PAYG dial-up so there is no
subscription charge as such.
At one time you had to either dial up and log in to your account every
three months or alternatively log into the Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange
website from any ISP and find the "Reactivate suspended account" link,
although this is no longer required.
I notice that the old dial-up number 0844 058 7000 still works, at
least it returns a carrier tone, in which case I would argue we *are*
still Orange customers!
(Albeit freeloaders).
bert
Mar 9, 2014, 8:09:40 PM3/9/14
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In message <gYqdndNn8ONk5YHO...@bt.com>, R. Mark Clayton
<nospam...@btinternet.com> writes
than that.
--
bert
<nospam...@btinternet.com> writes
>, but I am sure they will
>keep thinking up ways to be even more customer hostile...
Yeh. They'll give you BTSport for free. It doesn't get much more hostile
>keep thinking up ways to be even more customer hostile...
than that.
--
bert
Martin Brown
Mar 10, 2014, 4:25:11 AM3/10/14
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On 09/03/2014 21:37, Roger Mills wrote:
> On 09/03/2014 20:00, Jim wrote:
>> On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 11:10:51 +0000, Roger Mills<watt....@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Some organisations *do* actually do this. For example, I'm still able to
>>> use a Freeserve email address even though I haven't had a
>>> Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange account for many years. But I have no absolute
>>> *right* to that. If Orange were to withdraw it, I would have no
>>> legitimate grounds for complaint because they don't get any revenue
>>> from me.
>>
>> If you're no longer with Freeserve etc., how do
>> you access your Freeserve Email ?
>>
>
> Maybe I need to clarify what I wrote earlier. I haven't had an account
> for which I pay money to Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange for many years, but
> when I moved to PlusNet as my ISP, my old account was downgraded to
> "PAYG" - enabling me to access it using a dial-up connection. *However*,
> I can also access it from *any* internet connection, including PlusNet
> broadband. I can still use my old Freeserve UserID and pasword to log on
> to the (now) Orange pop server and retrieve incoming emails. OR, I can
> log on to orange Webmail.
Historically Freeserve made a point of offering a free service way back
> On 09/03/2014 20:00, Jim wrote:
>> On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 11:10:51 +0000, Roger Mills<watt....@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Some organisations *do* actually do this. For example, I'm still able to
>>> use a Freeserve email address even though I haven't had a
>>> Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange account for many years. But I have no absolute
>>> *right* to that. If Orange were to withdraw it, I would have no
>>> legitimate grounds for complaint because they don't get any revenue
>>> from me.
>>
>> If you're no longer with Freeserve etc., how do
>> you access your Freeserve Email ?
>>
>
> Maybe I need to clarify what I wrote earlier. I haven't had an account
> for which I pay money to Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange for many years, but
> when I moved to PlusNet as my ISP, my old account was downgraded to
> "PAYG" - enabling me to access it using a dial-up connection. *However*,
> I can also access it from *any* internet connection, including PlusNet
> broadband. I can still use my old Freeserve UserID and pasword to log on
> to the (now) Orange pop server and retrieve incoming emails. OR, I can
> log on to orange Webmail.
when which was presumably paid for by their dialup charges.
>
> I can't *send* emails via Orange's smtp server unless I dial in to the
> Orange server - which I never do - but I can *still* send emails from my
> Freeserve address by pointing my mail client (Outlook) at PlusNet's smtp
> server instead. In other words, the setup in Outlook for that particular
> email account says: Incoming mail server: pop.freeserve.net[1] and
> Outgoing mail server: relay.plus.net[2]
>
> [1] Surprisingly, pop.freeserve.net is still valid, and resolves to an
> Orange server address
> [2] This is PlusNet's smtp server
I think you may find that with the right password authentication mode
> I can't *send* emails via Orange's smtp server unless I dial in to the
> Orange server - which I never do - but I can *still* send emails from my
> Freeserve address by pointing my mail client (Outlook) at PlusNet's smtp
> server instead. In other words, the setup in Outlook for that particular
> email account says: Incoming mail server: pop.freeserve.net[1] and
> Outgoing mail server: relay.plus.net[2]
>
> [1] Surprisingly, pop.freeserve.net is still valid, and resolves to an
> Orange server address
> [2] This is PlusNet's smtp server
you can even send through the orange SMTP server when connected from
another ISP. I can't test that any more since I now connect via EE.
I still send some emails via Demons server when connected by Orange/EE.
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Regards,
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Roger Mills
Mar 10, 2014, 7:19:01 AM3/10/14
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are used - and PlusNet may possibly block those ports. Can't remember
whether I've ever tried it - but using PN's smtp server works ok, so I'm
not really bothered.
R. Mark Clayton
Mar 10, 2014, 9:41:01 AM3/10/14
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"bert" <bert@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
news:g87WxVGE...@nospam.co.uk...
chargeable.
I think you need a $ky box for BTSport, but I would be wrong.
Martin Brown
Mar 10, 2014, 9:48:19 AM3/10/14
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58/59 but you do need a BT Internet connection to decode them.
--
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Mack Danife
Mar 10, 2014, 10:21:00 AM3/10/14
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bt sport is free to your laptop / desktop or to your smartphone for
laptop/ desktop you need microsoft silverlight installed
for laptop download and install btsport app from play store.
you can see cyclist watching live sports on their mobiles as they veer and
occupy half the road ;)
Andy Burns
Mar 10, 2014, 10:51:37 AM3/10/14
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Sport via Freeview, but new customers require a BT Infinity connection
<https://community.bt.com/t5/BT-Sport/BT-Sport-on-DTT-Freeview/td-p/1139390>
alanp
Mar 10, 2014, 10:52:21 AM3/10/14
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> On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 11:10:51 +0000, Roger Mills <watt....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Some organisations *do* actually do this. For example, I'm still able to
>> use a Freeserve email address even though I haven't had a
>> Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange account for many years. But I have no absolute
>> *right* to that. If Orange were to withdraw it, I would have no
>> legitimate grounds for complaint because they don't get any revenue from me.
> If you're no longer with Freeserve etc., how do
> you access your Freeserve Email ?
www.mail2web.com
> wrote:
>> Some organisations *do* actually do this. For example, I'm still able to
>> use a Freeserve email address even though I haven't had a
>> Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange account for many years. But I have no absolute
>> *right* to that. If Orange were to withdraw it, I would have no
>> legitimate grounds for complaint because they don't get any revenue from me.
> If you're no longer with Freeserve etc., how do
> you access your Freeserve Email ?
Andy Burns
Mar 10, 2014, 10:55:16 AM3/10/14
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Mack Danife wrote:
> bt sport is free to your laptop / desktop or to your smartphone for
> laptop/ desktop you need microsoft silverlight installed
> for laptop download and install btsport app from play store.
>
> you can see cyclist watching live sports on their mobiles as they veer and
> occupy half the road ;)
Yo Dawg! I heard you like cycling, so I installed BT sport on your
> bt sport is free to your laptop / desktop or to your smartphone for
> laptop/ desktop you need microsoft silverlight installed
> for laptop download and install btsport app from play store.
>
> you can see cyclist watching live sports on their mobiles as they veer and
> occupy half the road ;)
google glass so you can watch cycling while you cycle.
Martin Brown
Mar 10, 2014, 11:07:51 AM3/10/14
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I though they allowed the Freeview specifically for that situation.
(otherwise it seems a pointless waste of two TDTV channels)
--
Regards,
Martin Brown
Roger Mills
Mar 10, 2014, 11:24:23 AM3/10/14
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home - but there are lots of better ways (see my earlier post).
alexd
Mar 10, 2014, 11:26:42 AM3/10/14
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Mack Danife (for it is he) wrote:
> It will still be free if i subscribe to broadband.
That's probably the root of the confusion right there.
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> It will still be free if i subscribe to broadband.
That's probably the root of the confusion right there.
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alexd
Mar 10, 2014, 11:59:29 AM3/10/14
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bert (for it is he) wrote:
> Yeh. They'll give you BTSport for free. It doesn't get much more hostile
> than that.
It's not free, it's bundled. And you can't read emails with BT Sport.
> Yeh. They'll give you BTSport for free. It doesn't get much more hostile
> than that.
15:29:00 up 67 days, 18:07, 9 users, load average: 0.28, 0.33, 0.36
bert
Mar 10, 2014, 2:24:49 PM3/10/14
to
In message <lfknh1$fnc$1...@dont-email.me>, alexd <trof...@hotmail.com>
writes
--
bert
writes
>bert (for it is he) wrote:
>
>> Yeh. They'll give you BTSport for free. It doesn't get much more hostile
>> than that.
>
>It's not free, it's bundled. And you can't read emails with BT Sport.
>
FFS what do you think "Customer hostile" implies?
>
>> Yeh. They'll give you BTSport for free. It doesn't get much more hostile
>> than that.
>
>It's not free, it's bundled. And you can't read emails with BT Sport.
>
--
bert
Graham Murray
Mar 10, 2014, 4:17:52 PM3/10/14
to
Mack Danife <mack...@gmail.com> writes:
> bt sport is free to your laptop / desktop or to your smartphone for
> laptop/ desktop you need microsoft silverlight installed
> for laptop download and install btsport app from play store.
I thought that Microsoft had announced that the use of Silverlight was
> bt sport is free to your laptop / desktop or to your smartphone for
> laptop/ desktop you need microsoft silverlight installed
> for laptop download and install btsport app from play store.
depreciated, with the recommendation that HTML 5 be used. So, requiring it
for a recently released service seems a little shortsighted.
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
Mar 10, 2014, 4:30:57 PM3/10/14
to
Graham Murray <news...@gmurray.org.uk> wrote:
> I thought that Microsoft had announced that the use of Silverlight was
> depreciated
Seems unlikely, as that means it's going down in value.
> I thought that Microsoft had announced that the use of Silverlight was
> depreciated
You presumably mean "deprecated".
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alexd
Mar 10, 2014, 5:15:07 PM3/10/14
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bert (for it is he) wrote:
> FFS what do you think "Customer hostile" implies?
Doing something the customer doesn't want. What do you thing it implies?
> FFS what do you think "Customer hostile" implies?
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The Natural Philosopher
Mar 10, 2014, 5:40:22 PM3/10/14
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On 10/03/14 20:30, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts wrote:
> Graham Murray <news...@gmurray.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> I thought that Microsoft had announced that the use of Silverlight was
>> depreciated
>
> Seems unlikely, as that means it's going down in value.
>
Not possible with silverlight. Its already worthless.
> Graham Murray <news...@gmurray.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> I thought that Microsoft had announced that the use of Silverlight was
>> depreciated
>
> Seems unlikely, as that means it's going down in value.
>
> You presumably mean "deprecated".
>
'prescribed' place.
If not one that is prescribed, where else?
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rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.
R. Mark Clayton
Mar 11, 2014, 11:10:37 AM3/11/14
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news:i9irh994o60kdgthn...@4ax.com...
No they do that anyway.
R. Mark Clayton
Mar 11, 2014, 11:13:50 AM3/11/14
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"alexd" <trof...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lfla0r$eqf$2...@dont-email.me...
> bert (for it is he) wrote:
>
>> FFS what do you think "Customer hostile" implies?
>
> Doing something the customer doesn't want. What do you thing it implies?
I used it first, so here is my intperpretaiton: -
>
>> FFS what do you think "Customer hostile" implies?
>
> Doing something the customer doesn't want. What do you thing it implies?
1. Doing what the customer does not want (e.g. cutting off live phone
numbers)
2. Not doing what the customer does want (e.g. not allowing user install of
Infinity)
3. Ripping the customer off. (e.g. introducing charges for service sold as
inclusive)
BT do all three in abundance...
bert
Mar 11, 2014, 12:58:39 PM3/11/14
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In message <lfla0r$eqf$2...@dont-email.me>, alexd <trof...@hotmail.com>
writes
of which you have snipped out.
--
bert
writes
>bert (for it is he) wrote:
>
>> FFS what do you think "Customer hostile" implies?
>
>Doing something the customer doesn't want. What do you thing it implies?
>
That the person on the receiving end is already a customer the relevance
>
>> FFS what do you think "Customer hostile" implies?
>
>Doing something the customer doesn't want. What do you thing it implies?
>
of which you have snipped out.
--
bert
bert
Mar 11, 2014, 12:57:24 PM3/11/14
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In message <lflbg6$vn$1...@news.albasani.net>, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> writes
--
bert
<t...@invalid.invalid> writes
>On 10/03/14 20:30, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts wrote:
>> Graham Murray <news...@gmurray.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought that Microsoft had announced that the use of Silverlight was
>>> depreciated
>>
>> Seems unlikely, as that means it's going down in value.
>>
>Not possible with silverlight. Its already worthless.
>
>> You presumably mean "deprecated".
>>
>
>I nearly took the council to court for fining me for parking in a
>'prescribed' place.
>
>If not one that is prescribed, where else?
>
>
>
LOL
>> Graham Murray <news...@gmurray.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought that Microsoft had announced that the use of Silverlight was
>>> depreciated
>>
>> Seems unlikely, as that means it's going down in value.
>>
>Not possible with silverlight. Its already worthless.
>
>> You presumably mean "deprecated".
>>
>
>I nearly took the council to court for fining me for parking in a
>'prescribed' place.
>
>If not one that is prescribed, where else?
>
>
>
--
bert
Michael Chare
Mar 12, 2014, 8:03:33 PM3/12/14
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On 08/03/2014 23:04, Mack Danife wrote:
>
> I had a bt email over 20 years now -before Yahoo before ADSL ;) - heaven
> knows where i am registered with that e mail. Subscriptions, forums, online
> accounts etc.
>
> I had broadband account with O2- ( now with awfull Sky ).. Bt sends me
> email that they will stop my .btinternet email unless I start paying £1.60
> a month or I get a broadband from them in which case it will continue
> free as before . ( I wish I could get a broadband with BT without paying
> Sky a hefty sum to release from my contract )
>
> £1.60 may not be an issue itself but the manner BT is forcing and
> threatening that they will cancel your email just like that seems unfair to
> me.
>
> P.S = I read somehere that BT was ending Yahoo venture.
>
I thing your problem may be that you have not been using the account.
I have had an account since the days of the dial up service. So far I
have not been asked to pay.
Accounts are being migrated from the Yahoo. Mine has not yet been
migrated but I haven been told that the migration should be completed by
the end of the month.
--
Michael Chare
>
> I had a bt email over 20 years now -before Yahoo before ADSL ;) - heaven
> knows where i am registered with that e mail. Subscriptions, forums, online
> accounts etc.
>
> I had broadband account with O2- ( now with awfull Sky ).. Bt sends me
> email that they will stop my .btinternet email unless I start paying £1.60
> a month or I get a broadband from them in which case it will continue
> free as before . ( I wish I could get a broadband with BT without paying
> Sky a hefty sum to release from my contract )
>
> £1.60 may not be an issue itself but the manner BT is forcing and
> threatening that they will cancel your email just like that seems unfair to
> me.
>
> P.S = I read somehere that BT was ending Yahoo venture.
>
I thing your problem may be that you have not been using the account.
I have had an account since the days of the dial up service. So far I
have not been asked to pay.
Accounts are being migrated from the Yahoo. Mine has not yet been
migrated but I haven been told that the migration should be completed by
the end of the month.
--
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Michael Chare
Mar 12, 2014, 8:24:33 PM3/12/14
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up for BT Premium Mail it will be free for the first 12 months.
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Peter Boulding
Mar 27, 2014, 1:39:04 PM3/27/14
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On Sat, 08 Mar 2014 23:04:09 +0000, Mack Danife <mack...@gmail.com> wrote
in <6e7nh9dklqriap2up...@4ax.com>:
>I had a bt email over 20 years now -before Yahoo before ADSL ;) - heaven
>knows where i am registered with that e mail. Subscriptions, forums, online
>accounts etc.
>
>I had broadband account with O2- ( now with awfull Sky ).. Bt sends me
>email that they will stop my .btinternet email unless I start paying £1.60
>a month or I get a broadband from them in which case it will continue
>free as before . ( I wish I could get a broadband with BT without paying
>Sky a hefty sum to release from my contract )
>
>£1.60 may not be an issue itself but the manner BT is forcing and
>threatening that they will cancel your email just like that seems unfair to
>me.
>
>P.S = I read somehere that BT was ending Yahoo venture.
Fact of life, I'm afraid. BT own all *.btintenet.com addresses and, like all
ISPs, see no reason why they should let you use one if you ain't paying them
anything. Google give you a free gmail address, but only on the
understanding that their computers read all your mail--both outgoing and
incoming--and analyse it for marketing purposes.
Like it or not, unless you're prepared to cough up BT's rather overpriced
fee, you're going to have to abandon your BT e-mail address and inform all
those who use it of your change of address.
Now is the monment to take out a domain name of your own--complete with
redirection--and thus avoid ever having to go through this again.
You could take out a two-year registration of the domain name danife.co.uk,
for example, for less than a tenner with Easily.co.uk
(http://easily.co.uk/index.php); Easily would automatically redirect all
e-mails addressed to $any_name at danife.co.uk to the address of your choice
(e.g. your current ISP-provided e-mail address) ... you can change the
redirection address via an online form at any time if, for example, you
again change your ISP.
(Easily is just one of various firms offering this kind of service. Make
sure you choose one that doesn't tie you to it by small-printing a swinging
charge should you later want to move to a different redirection service, and
one that is considered reliable in the sense that its redirection server
doesn't suffer much downtime.)
Note that a .co.uk domain registration lasts for two years (and thus costs
you in the region of 50p per month). DON'T forget to renew it on time.
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in <6e7nh9dklqriap2up...@4ax.com>:
>I had a bt email over 20 years now -before Yahoo before ADSL ;) - heaven
>knows where i am registered with that e mail. Subscriptions, forums, online
>accounts etc.
>
>I had broadband account with O2- ( now with awfull Sky ).. Bt sends me
>email that they will stop my .btinternet email unless I start paying £1.60
>a month or I get a broadband from them in which case it will continue
>free as before . ( I wish I could get a broadband with BT without paying
>Sky a hefty sum to release from my contract )
>
>£1.60 may not be an issue itself but the manner BT is forcing and
>threatening that they will cancel your email just like that seems unfair to
>me.
>
>P.S = I read somehere that BT was ending Yahoo venture.
ISPs, see no reason why they should let you use one if you ain't paying them
anything. Google give you a free gmail address, but only on the
understanding that their computers read all your mail--both outgoing and
incoming--and analyse it for marketing purposes.
Like it or not, unless you're prepared to cough up BT's rather overpriced
fee, you're going to have to abandon your BT e-mail address and inform all
those who use it of your change of address.
Now is the monment to take out a domain name of your own--complete with
redirection--and thus avoid ever having to go through this again.
You could take out a two-year registration of the domain name danife.co.uk,
for example, for less than a tenner with Easily.co.uk
(http://easily.co.uk/index.php); Easily would automatically redirect all
e-mails addressed to $any_name at danife.co.uk to the address of your choice
(e.g. your current ISP-provided e-mail address) ... you can change the
redirection address via an online form at any time if, for example, you
again change your ISP.
(Easily is just one of various firms offering this kind of service. Make
sure you choose one that doesn't tie you to it by small-printing a swinging
charge should you later want to move to a different redirection service, and
one that is considered reliable in the sense that its redirection server
doesn't suffer much downtime.)
Note that a .co.uk domain registration lasts for two years (and thus costs
you in the region of 50p per month). DON'T forget to renew it on time.
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