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root

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May 8, 2004, 11:30:28 AM5/8/04
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Hi group,

I'm looking for advice on which ADSL modem/router I should get.
I've currently got three PCs (soon to be four or five) using a single
dial-up connection (not at the same time), which tend to take over my home
phone line about 95% of the time.

I'm hoping to move to an ADSL service in the next few weeks and have
selected PlusNet as an ISP on their £15/month service (is that a good
idea?). I am in a BT broadband area.

Now, I want to set up networking between the machines so they can share the
broadband connection. I am not going to order an ADSL modem from PlusNet
for this purpose. I need an ADSL modem/router that's capable of doing both
wireless (54g) and Ethernet (minimum 4 PCs at both 10/100 speeds). I also
need all these features:-

- NAT capability
- Must be compatible with Linux (SuSe, RedHat) and possibly UNIX (FreeBSD
and HP-UX)
- Firewall built-in (ideal, but can do without).
- Easy to set up/get started.
- Reasonable price (not hundreds!)

Can anyone recommend suitable models that suite my requirements? Any help
would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance.


Paul Landregan

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May 8, 2004, 11:44:35 AM5/8/04
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"root" <ae...@despammed.com> wrote in message
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My choice satisfies all but the last criteria.
The Draytek 2600G

Top notch features, very secure. You get what you pay for. Do NOT cut
corners on Firewall security.


Peter Crosland

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May 8, 2004, 2:22:16 PM5/8/04
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> - Firewall built-in (ideal, but can do without).

Extreme folly not to have a hardware firewall on ADSL.


root

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May 8, 2004, 4:00:50 PM5/8/04
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"Peter Crosland" <g6...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> > - Firewall built-in (ideal, but can do without).
>
> Extreme folly not to have a hardware firewall on ADSL.

OK, point taken.

So which one do I get?


Paul Murphy

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May 8, 2004, 4:59:35 PM5/8/04
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"root" <ae...@despammed.com> wrote in message
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<snip>

wireless (54g) and Ethernet (minimum 4 PCs at both 10/100 speeds). I also
> need all these features:-
>
> - NAT capability
> - Must be compatible with Linux (SuSe, RedHat) and possibly UNIX (FreeBSD
> and HP-UX)
> - Firewall built-in (ideal, but can do without).
> - Easy to set up/get started.
> - Reasonable price (not hundreds!)
>
> Can anyone recommend suitable models that suite my requirements? Any help
> would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>
The SMC 7404WBRA has these features including a low price - the wireless
capability is only 802.11b (11 Mb) however. It has a parallel port print
server built in as well. It's reviewed here
http://www.adslguide.org.uk/hardware/reviews/2003/q3/smc_7404wbra.asp

I have one and it works very well on Plusnet. Its cheap and very well
featured. I bought it from www.nickknows.com

Paul


root

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May 8, 2004, 5:39:59 PM5/8/04
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"Paul Murphy" <p_murphy...@tospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
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Thanks for the very useful info, Paul.
I have checked-out both links you've posted and it looks like the "nick
knows" site has a nice (but albeit weirdly-priced) variety to choose from:-
e.g. they've got the SMC 7804WBRA for £88.13, whereas the 7404 model you
suggested is listed at £116. Am I paying extra for the basic model here
because it has a built in print server? The 7804 appears to have the 802.11g
technology which is slightly newer than the 802.11b.
Anyway, lots to think about there for the weekend.


Peter Crosland

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May 8, 2004, 6:03:56 PM5/8/04
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This would be a good starting point to find out more.

http://www.adslguide.org.uk/

Paul Murphy

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May 8, 2004, 9:44:28 PM5/8/04
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"root" <ae...@despammed.com> wrote in message
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I bought my 7404WBRA before the 7804WBRA became available but as you point
out it looks like the 7804WBRA would be even more suited to your needs if
you want a simpler unit without a print server built in. If it will only be
used for internet access then 802.11b will be more than enough capacity for
a £15 Plusnet account which only works at a fraction of that speed. If you
have to transfer lots of files between machines on your network however,
802.11g will speed things along a bit more.

Paul


John F Kappler

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May 9, 2004, 2:15:27 AM5/9/04
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I would endorse the reference to the ADSL guide website to select a an
appropriate model, but then I suggest you review comments of the
different models in this newsgroup.

I looked at various options but kept getting put off by comments here.

I also had experience of a Draytek 2200USB and so I paid the extra
money and.....

I've just bought a Draytek 2600VG at £177.

Has the hardware firewall, is also an 802.11g gateway, and will
support voice calls using VOIP.

Hope this helps.

JK

Boo

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May 8, 2004, 6:40:19 PM5/8/04
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Well, if you're running Linux on some of your boxes then why not use one
of them as a firewall ?

--
Boo


root

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May 9, 2004, 12:36:42 PM5/9/04
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"John F Kappler" <jo...@pceffect.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I would endorse the reference to the ADSL guide website to select a an
> appropriate model, but then I suggest you review comments of the
> different models in this newsgroup.
>
> I looked at various options but kept getting put off by comments here.
>
> I also had experience of a Draytek 2200USB and so I paid the extra
> money and.....
>
> I've just bought a Draytek 2600VG at £177.
>
> Has the hardware firewall, is also an 802.11g gateway, and will
> support voice calls using VOIP.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> JK

Thanks for the reply, John. Do you any links of reviews/places where the
Draytek is sold? Would appreciate that, if possible. Thanks again!


root

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May 9, 2004, 12:44:09 PM5/9/04
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"Paul Murphy" <p_murphy...@tospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "root" <ae...@despammed.com> wrote in message
> news:2g52dhF...@uni-berlin.de...
> > "Paul Murphy" <p_murphy...@tospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:WSbnc.1759$NK4.1...@stones.force9.net...
> > > "root" <ae...@despammed.com> wrote in message
> > > news:2g4conF...@uni-berlin.de...
> > > <snip>
> I bought my 7404WBRA before the 7804WBRA became available but as you point
> out it looks like the 7804WBRA would be even more suited to your needs if
> you want a simpler unit without a print server built in. If it will only
be
> used for internet access then 802.11b will be more than enough capacity
for
> a £15 Plusnet account which only works at a fraction of that speed. If you
> have to transfer lots of files between machines on your network however,
> 802.11g will speed things along a bit more.

Thanks, Paul.
I've no idea what we'll be using our network connection for, other than
internet connection sharing.
As a guess though, I would say file sharing (along with some music and
possibly video), printing and use of CD writer(s) across the network can't
be ruled out.

Now we've touched on the subject of print sharing, I have to ask: is there
any other way we can share printer resources across the network? All three
PCs that are going on the network have a local printer attached. Some are
colour, some are laser (b&w). How can a user (on any of the boxes) be able
to use all three printers?


Paul Murphy

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May 9, 2004, 2:59:50 PM5/9/04
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"root" <ae...@despammed.com> wrote in message
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If its only for the odd bit of file sharing that you pointed out, 802.11b
would be sufficiently fast (especially if you're not running apps from the
network or using terminal services - unlikely at home). The simple way to
meet your printing needs is to make each printer in windows shared (don't
know other OS options for similar functionality), install all the printer
drivers on all the machines and then ensure the respective PCs are running
when you need to use that machines printer. If you don't want to have the
machines on just to use the printer, then either a 3 way print server or
individual print servers may be the way to go (depending if you want all the
printers in one place or spread around). These allow a printer to plug into
the network for its data feed rather than a PCs Parallel or USB port. Some
printers come with networking capability built in (or as an add-on card that
can be installed in the printer). There are USB print servers out there but
parallel ones are more common. It depends what your printers native
interface is as to which type of print server is used. Be aware that some
printers don't like running through print servers and may have reduced
functionality when doing so.

Re networking CD/DVD Burners, Nero 6 (retail package) handles this with a
plug-in available from the Nero website. I'm unsure why people opt for much
more expensive solutions than these SMC units. More expensive does not
always mean better in my experience - I used to work as a computer
technician and there are a huge number of items out there with inflated
prices just to create the image of quality when in many cases cheaper
competing items offer much more "bang for the buck" and are just as
reliable, if not better.

Paul


Kate

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May 9, 2004, 5:54:57 PM5/9/04
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"root" <ae...@despammed.com> wrote in message
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I've just bought the Draytek 2600VG as well.
I got it for £177.10 + VAT through Broadbandbuyer.co.uk, who were quick and
efficient.
It was easy to set up the basic functionality using the excellent
documentation provided by my ISP Pipex.
I'm using it with 98SE, 2000 & XP MCE 2004 PCs.

I have fairly major problem:
I need to use Check Point SecuRemote to access my company network and email,
which is why I chose a device with VPN pass-through.
When I enter my SecuRemote id & password on the XP MCE 2004 PC, instead of
connecting, it makes the PC reboot.
The 98SE and 2000 PCs are fine, and so was the XP machine when I was
previously using a USB modem.

Draytek support has been useless trying to fix this.

Can anyone else suggest a fix?

Kate


Graham

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May 13, 2004, 3:23:20 PM5/13/04
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> >
>
> I've just bought the Draytek 2600VG as well.
> I got it for £177.10 + VAT through Broadbandbuyer.co.uk, who were quick
and
> efficient.
> It was easy to set up the basic functionality using the excellent
> documentation provided by my ISP Pipex.
> I'm using it with 98SE, 2000 & XP MCE 2004 PCs.
>
> I have fairly major problem:
> I need to use Check Point SecuRemote to access my company network and
email,
> which is why I chose a device with VPN pass-through.
> When I enter my SecuRemote id & password on the XP MCE 2004 PC, instead of
> connecting, it makes the PC reboot.
> The 98SE and 2000 PCs are fine, and so was the XP machine when I was
> previously using a USB modem.
>
> Draytek support has been useless trying to fix this.
>
> Can anyone else suggest a fix?
>
> Kate
>
>

Kate,

Can I suggest that you repost your problem as a new thread.
I am sure there will be people on this NG who will be willing to address
your problem,
Its just that its now kind of difficult to find in this almost dead thread.

Regards

Graham.

%Profound observation%


Lurch

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May 13, 2004, 3:55:25 PM5/13/04
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On Thu, 13 May 2004 20:23:20 +0100, in uk.telecom.broadband "Graham"
<m...@you.com> strung together this:

>Can I suggest that you repost your problem as a new thread.
>I am sure there will be people on this NG who will be willing to address
>your problem,
>Its just that its now kind of difficult to find in this almost dead thread.
>

It's a new thread here.
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SJW
A.C.S. Ltd.

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