Uncapped UK ISPs ??
Tony Morgan
at 2Mb/2.5Mb.
After experiencing an increasingly unreliable ADSL service from Pipex I
moved to Zen. Initially my BT line would only support 1Mb ADSL, but I
have successfully got BT to improve my line to support up to 2.5Mb. When
I first signed up with Zen, the service (Home 1000) was un-capped, but
now that I want to upgrade my ADSL to 2Mb/2.5Mb Zen tell me that all
their upgrades/new accounts (other than premium business accounts) cap
the amount of data that can be downloaded each month.
It would be good if the un-capped ISP provided a good binary Usenet
facility, but it isn't an issue as I would be prepared to subscribe to
Easynews.
Thanks in advance.
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Tony Morgan
NoNeedToKnow
>Can anyone please identify/recommend a UK ISP who offer un-capped
>ADSL at 2Mb/2.5Mb.
A few ISPs (Zen is among them) have no *upload* limit, (I know it wasn't
your question, but there would be some other users wanting this as a
primary objective) though your "want" is less likely to be found from
any UK ISP these days given the costs they have to pay (hence the
Zen business option, presumably at a fee you consider a luxury).
I don't really class them as either "UK" or "ISP" but it appears "AOL UK"
may offer what you seem to be after, at least "for now"... (Rumours
of them being for sale might make that change in future, of course.)
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Clive
<DIV>"Tony Morgan" <To...@zen54488.demon.co.uk> wrote in
message news:946uHQDH3E+EFw$E...@zen54488.demon.co.uk...</DIV>> Can anyone
What about cable - if you can get it. I recently went back to cable after
bad issues with MaxDSL and capping (which was brought in AFTER I joined a
certain ISP) - it was un-capped when I first subscribed.
Never had any real connection issues with cable in my area. Don't know about
Customer service - as I never had to use it with any ISP.
Clive
Stephen Chadfield
<To...@zen54488.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Can anyone please identify/recommend a UK ISP who offer un-capped ADSL
>at 2Mb/2.5Mb.
http://www.blueleafinternet.com/?page=residential
If you go with them let us all know how you get on. They are on my
shortlist of potential ISPs should I grow unhappy with my current
provider.
Tony Morgan
<c...@d.com> writes
Snipped....
>What about cable - if you can get it. I recently went back to cable
>after bad issues with MaxDSL and capping (which was brought in AFTER I
>joined a certain ISP) - it was un-capped when I first subscribed.
>
>Never had any real connection issues with cable in my area. Don't know
>about Customer service - as I never had to use it with any ISP.
No cable in my area. However, when they first offered Internet (when I
lived in the south) I signed up for NTL and it was absolutely dreadful
service. From what I've read their service is still poor.
Since I first posted here, I've done a compare on ADSLGuide and find
that Zen (who I am currently with) are the best in speed, reliability
and service. They also seem to have the best Usenet service (apparently
sourced from Giganews who have a good reputation).
Thanks for the help, but I'll probably be upgrading to Zen's 8000 Pro
which caps at 50Gb per month. One of the more expensive, but IME you get
what you pay for.
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Tony Morgan
Stuart Millington
<To...@zen54488.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Nice to see you're still around Tony ;-)
>No cable in my area. However, when they first offered Internet (when I
>lived in the south) I signed up for NTL and it was absolutely dreadful
>service. From what I've read their service is still poor.
However, a friend of mine who's got the £35pcm NTHell/Telewaste
package can definitely confirm that it's unlimited - if a little less
than the advertised speed at peak hours!
>Thanks for the help, but I'll probably be upgrading to Zen's 8000 Pro
>which caps at 50Gb per month. One of the more expensive, but IME you get
>what you pay for.
Indeed, but Zen's Max usage limit means that I'm staying on their old
512Kbps unlimited service for now. They did not give *any* advance
notice about their changes otherwise I would have gone back to their
2Mbps unlimited service before their move to an 8Mbps launch and their
dropping of all old services aside from on-going renewals :-(
I've ruled out B$kyB as they insist on you using their crippled
router. But, Telewaste or Demon look like viable options for a move.
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It's Me
>
> Indeed, but Zen's Max usage limit means that I'm staying on their old
> 512Kbps unlimited service for now. They did not give *any* advance
> notice about their changes otherwise I would have gone back to their
> 2Mbps unlimited service before their move to an 8Mbps launch and their
> dropping of all old services aside from on-going renewals :-(
>
Zen did give notice on there forums but I must admit it was very short, I
just noticed it in time and upgraded to the 2Meg fixed unlimited account and
I am still gald I did.
Zens caps are quite good compared to other ISP's as they do not include and
upload just download usage, others count it all.
I think you are making teh right choice staying with Zen and to tell you the
truth I would rather be on there unlimted 250 than have any caps.
NoNeedToKnow
>Zen did give notice on there forums but I must admit it was very short, I
>just noticed it in time and upgraded to the 2Meg fixed unlimited account and
Was it much before March 1st (I think I noticed comments on the AG forum),
or did people have to make a choice within March to upgrade or be "stuck"
on whatever package they were using (or lose "unlimited" by "upgrading")?
>Zens caps are quite good compared to other ISP's as they do not include and
>upload just download usage, others count it all.
Not all others. Most do, but Zen is not alone in that aspect.
Dr Teeth
<sp...@spam.spam> opened his gob and said:
>Zens caps are quite good compared to other ISP's as they do not include and
>upload just download usage, others count it all.
http://www.ukfsn.org/adsl/maxallowance.html are much more generous.
>I think you are making teh right choice staying with Zen and to tell you the
>truth I would rather be on there unlimted 250 than have any caps.
Cannot agree with you anymore.
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Dr Teeth
<ste...@chadfield.com> opened his gob and said:
>http://www.blueleafinternet.com/?page=residential
Seems good. Just dropped them a line to see if they are resellers, and
if so, for whom.
Old Codger
> I was just thinking how wonderful life was, when Stephen Chadfield
> <ste...@chadfield.com> opened his gob and said:
>
>> http://www.blueleafinternet.com/?page=residential
>
> Seems good. Just dropped them a line to see if they are resellers, and
> if so, for whom.
Pages keep timing out, takes an age to connect and then navigate around the
site. Might be only a short term problem but there again ....
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Tony Morgan
<no.email.h...@tardis.com> writes
>I was just thinking how wonderful life was, when "It's Me"
><sp...@spam.spam> opened his gob and said:
>
>>Zens caps are quite good compared to other ISP's as they do not include and
>>upload just download usage, others count it all.
>
>http://www.ukfsn.org/adsl/maxallowance.html are much more generous.
>
>>I think you are making teh right choice staying with Zen and to tell you the
>>truth I would rather be on there unlimted 250 than have any caps.
>
>Cannot agree with you anymore.
>
the cost of running your PC 24/7 at 256kbs is much higher than running
your PC for one thirty-second of the time with an 8000 Max connection.
Most PCs these days use 400W, the equivalent of six 60W bulbs that each
cost 1p per hour to run. So your 256kbs 24/7 downloads would cost you
£40 per month in electricity, compared with £10 per month with an 8000
Max connection - for the same amount of data downloaded.
All figures approximate of course - but I guess you get the idea.
If you're just a casual Internet user, then capping will never be an
issue of course.
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Tony Morgan
Bronek Kozicki
> Can anyone please identify/recommend a UK ISP who offer un-capped ADSL
> at 2Mb/2.5Mb.
>
> After experiencing an increasingly unreliable ADSL service from Pipex
> I moved to Zen. Initially my BT line would only support 1Mb ADSL, but
> I have successfully got BT to improve my line to support up to 2.5Mb.
> When I first signed up with Zen, the service (Home 1000) was
> un-capped, but now that I want to upgrade my ADSL to 2Mb/2.5Mb Zen
> tell me that all their upgrades/new accounts (other than premium
> business accounts) cap the amount of data that can be downloaded each
> month.
ZEN 8000 Pro, ADSL Max (up to Mbps), capped at 50GB/m , £29.78 + VAT
http://www.zenbroadband.co.uk/S_Business.aspx?page=517
ZEN ADSL Office 2000 (up to 2Mbps), truly unlimited, £73 + VAT
http://www.zenbroadband.co.uk/ML_Business.aspx?page=521
Surely you can move to other providers and then find out what
"unlimited" actually means, but do not expect much. Cheaper service will
be subsidized OR poor speed/custom service/connection quality OR simply
limited by "fair use terms of service". Oh, and you will most probably
have to sign 1-year contract.
B.
BJt...@the.controls
<To...@zen54488.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <0Q1Kg.193387$9d4....@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Clive
><c...@d.com> writes
>Snipped....
>
>>What about cable - if you can get it. I recently went back to cable
>>after bad issues with MaxDSL and capping (which was brought in AFTER I
>>joined a certain ISP) - it was un-capped when I first subscribed.
>>
>>Never had any real connection issues with cable in my area. Don't know
>>about Customer service - as I never had to use it with any ISP.
>
>No cable in my area. However, when they first offered Internet (when I
>lived in the south) I signed up for NTL and it was absolutely dreadful
>service. From what I've read their service is still poor.
>
>Since I first posted here, I've done a compare on ADSLGuide and find
>that Zen (who I am currently with)
Is Zen part of the Demon organisation, I ask because of your return
address "Tony Morgan <To...@zen54488.demon.co.uk>" and the Missage-ID
of your article <EXrQc0BB...@zen54488.demon.co.uk> - no sign of
Zen in any of that.
>are the best in speed, reliability
>and service. They also seem to have the best Usenet service (apparently
>sourced from Giganews who have a good reputation).
Not according to their DNS:
++++++++++++
>09/05/06 01:49:12 dns news.zen.co.uk
>Canonical name: news.zen.co.uk
>Addresses:
> 212.23.3.119
++++++++++++
A news service outsourced to GigaNews (like BT's) would look like:
+++++++++++
>09/05/06 01:50:53 dns news.btinternet.com
>Canonical name: europe.isp.giganews.com
>Aliases:
> news.btinternet.com
>Addresses:
> 216.196.109.145
+++++++++++++
cheers
BJ
NoNeedToKnow
>Is Zen part of the Demon organisation, I ask because of your return
>address "Tony Morgan <To...@zen54488.demon.co.uk>"
Oh do wake up. It's just a spoof address, though in his case there may be
a tiny additional load of spam for Demon/Thus to bounce, if spammers don't
take note that zen54488.demon.co.uk has no MX records. Why he might be
(ab)using a Demon-like mail address (and that of a customer, should they in
future have someone wishing to use zen54488) is a completely different
query. I've no idea why someone might choose to imply use of one ISP
and give and invalid mail address... (Plenty of others have mail addresses
for services on which they can still accept mail, while using some other
service for newsgroups and perhaps another service for internet access.
There's no good reason to expect a mail address has significance relating
to the news service or the ISP someone chooses to use, so why you think
it does is yet another unsolved puzzle!)
>> (apparently sourced from Giganews who have a good reputation).
>Not according to their DNS:
>A news service outsourced to GigaNews (like BT's) would look like:
*could* look like... Are you sure there isn't a load balancer or similar?
James
>
>>Not according to their DNS:
>>A news service outsourced to GigaNews (like BT's) would look like:
>
> *could* look like... Are you sure there isn't a load balancer or similar?
We do our own usenet. This means that our customers can use it as
much as they like (DSL caps permitting), but our retention is only 7
days for binaries.
Regards,
James
Stuart Millington
>Zen did give notice on there forums but I must admit it was very short, I
I only saw it on the support NG after the upgrade window had gone :-(
Of course there was no advance notice in the (dead) announce NG and
the e-mail came afterwards too.
>just noticed it in time and upgraded to the 2Meg fixed unlimited account and
>I am still gald I did.
You're lucky, I was on Zen's 2Mbps unlimited, but downgraded to
512Kbps to save a bit of cash a year ago. Given a choice I would have
gone back to 2Mbps unlimited and stayed here.
Now, I'm almost at the point of moving to the Telewaste <#insert
expletive> with their "2 for £20" package and dropping the BT line, as
there's nothing else to beat it. I will miss the /29 though. Even with
Forte's unlimited news service it's the same cost as Zen's 512Kbps
package and includes TV.
If cost wasn't an issue I'd go with Zen (or AAISP for IPv6) every
time, unfortunately it is and Zen have just priced themselves out of
the "high-end" home market IMO.
Stuart Millington
<no.email.h...@tardis.com> wrote:
>http://www.ukfsn.org/adsl/maxallowance.html are much more generous.
Their T&C's banned VoIP last time I read them! Other than that, yes
their allowances and features look nice.
Stuart Millington
<To...@zen54488.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Most PCs these days use 400W, the equivalent of six 60W bulbs that each
>cost 1p per hour to run. So your 256kbs 24/7 downloads would cost you
>£40 per month in electricity, compared with £10 per month with an 8000
>Max connection - for the same amount of data downloaded.
400W may be the PSU capacity, but most probably won't use that. My
Athlon 64 tower takes ~250W with both screens on and ~160W with stuff
running with screens on standby, so about £16 per month.
Even if I turned it off whilst at work, I doubt I'd save any money due
to higher component failure rates. Although, this is probably an old
FWA discussion ;-)
>If you're just a casual Internet user, then capping will never be an
>issue of course.
Indeed. However, looking for an "entry level" broadband package for my
mother turned up blank, with the entry point being dictated by BTW's
line rate - so she'll probably be on PAYG dial-up to start with.
Stuart Millington
>We do our own usenet. This means that our customers can use it as
>much as they like (DSL caps permitting), but our retention is only 7
>days for binaries.
And your/Zen's Usenet service is very good. A few problems now and
again, but almost as good as commercial Usenet services within the
retention period.
James
> And your/Zen's Usenet service is very good. A few problems now and
> again, but almost as good as commercial Usenet services within the
> retention period.
>
Thank you =]. I've passed your comment onto the other people involved
too.
BJt...@the.controls
wrote:
> BJt...@the.Controls wrote:
>
>>Is Zen part of the Demon organisation, I ask because of your return
>>address "Tony Morgan <To...@zen54488.demon.co.uk>"
>
>Oh do wake up.
Oh, I'm awake alright.
Just don't see the need to spoof to an existing ISP; if I were Demon
I'd be put out about it - but I'm Demon :)
>It's just a spoof address, though in his case there may be
>a tiny additional load of spam for Demon/Thus to bounce, if spammers don't
>take note that zen54488.demon.co.uk has no MX records. Why he might be
>(ab)using a Demon-like mail address (and that of a customer, should they in
>future have someone wishing to use zen54488) is a completely different
>query. I've no idea why someone might choose to imply use of one ISP
>and give and invalid mail address... (Plenty of others have mail addresses
>for services on which they can still accept mail, while using some other
>service for newsgroups and perhaps another service for internet access.
>There's no good reason to expect a mail address has significance relating
>to the news service or the ISP someone chooses to use, so why you think
>it does is yet another unsolved puzzle!)
>
>>> (apparently sourced from Giganews who have a good reputation).
>
>>Not according to their DNS:
>>A news service outsourced to GigaNews (like BT's) would look like:
>
>*could* look like... Are you sure there isn't a load balancer or similar?
No 'could' about it, as a long-term GigaNews customer and even longer
usenet user I know that GN's (and Supernews') out-sourcing re-directs
calls to the customer's news server to their own servers (in this case
europe.isp.giganews.com, in SN's case it would be corp.supernews.com)
Any load-balancing would be done on the other side of the re-direct
address, and they'd need to be - two years ago GN's news farms
consisted of 13 clusters of 45TB at each location, and they've upped
their retention to~3 months right now.
cheers
BJ
Dr Teeth
<no.email.h...@tardis.com> opened his gob and said:
>Seems good. Just dropped them a line to see if they are resellers, and
>if so, for whom.
Forget them, no reply as yet. They are probably too ashamed to admit
they're associated with Tiscal <g>!
Eeyore
Dr Teeth wrote:
> I was just thinking how wonderful life was, when Dr Teeth
> <no.email.h...@tardis.com> opened his gob and said:
>
> >Seems good. Just dropped them a line to see if they are resellers, and
> >if so, for whom.
>
> Forget them, no reply as yet. They are probably too ashamed to admit
> they're associated with Tiscal <g>!
I thought they've gone out of business !
Graham
Dr Teeth
<rabbitsfriend...@REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> opened his gob and
said:
>I thought they've gone out of business !
The site was live when they were mentioned earlier in this thread.
Cannot connect now...