Discovering my BT Broadband Password?
Terry
(27UKP/month; no news or email). With help here and elswhere I'm
gradually getting some of the basics sorted.
One puzzle I'd appreciate solving concerns my password. When I boot up
my XP Home PC and d-click the Internet icon in my system tray I get
the familiar Connection window, which looks the same as it did under
56kbps Dial-Up. In the Connect to drop-down box, 'BT Broadband' is
selected, then there's my username, and then a Password box. It's
already completed, with the usual anonymous large black dots. But what
the heck *is* it, and where did it come from? Sometime soon I'm going
to be asked for it... There was nothing about it in my 'package'.
Phoning the Helpline number left me more confused, as I was told that
BT Broadband "doesn't use a password" and "you don't need a password".
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Terry, West Sussex, UK
Alien Zord
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> BT Broadband service
> (27UKP/month; no news or email).
>
>
won't mention it.)
Andy M Jenkins
> Phoning the Helpline number left me more confused, as I was told that
> BT Broadband "doesn't use a password" and "you don't need a password".
Terry, that is correct. There is no password for the service to connect.
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Regards
Andy M Jenkins
http://www.uk-bug.net : The UK Broadband Usergroup.
Terry Eden
> One puzzle I'd appreciate solving concerns my password. When I boot up
> my XP Home PC and d-click the Internet icon in my system tray I get
> the familiar Connection window,
Broadband is always on. The secod your machines boots into windows it's
connected to the net. No need to dial.
If you got to internet explorer -> tools -> options -> connection settings
You should be able to change it to "never dial a connection"
This will stop the dial up box popping up.
> But what
> the heck *is* it, and where did it come from? Sometime soon I'm going
> to be asked for it... There was nothing about it in my 'package'.
It's a mistake. If you're dewsperate to find out, use RevalationV2. Google
should help you find it. It's a freeware utility that lets you see behind
to black spots.
Terry
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small disclaimer - speaking for myself, not my employer.
David Precious
>> One puzzle I'd appreciate solving concerns my password. When I boot up
>> my XP Home PC and d-click the Internet icon in my system tray I get
>> the familiar Connection window,
>
> Broadband is always on. The secod your machines boots into windows it's
> connected to the net. No need to dial.
>
> If you got to internet explorer -> tools -> options -> connection settings
> You should be able to change it to "never dial a connection"
>
> This will stop the dial up box popping up.
It depends on how you connect to your Broadband service.
If you use a router connected to your PC via Ethernet then yes, as long as
the WAN side of the router is connected then you don't have to do anything
to connect.
However, if you use a USB ADSL modem like most home users do, you *do* need
to 'dial up' - of course you're not really 'dialling' at all, but that's
how the modem establishes a session through the BT backhaul network to your
ISP.
You create a Dial-up networking connection, and enter any arbitrary number
for the number to dial (except a few modems where you enter '0,38' to give
the VPI/VCI settings). You then enter your username and password, and
connect up.
Cheers
David P
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David Precious
http://www.preshweb.co.uk/
Sunil Sood
> BT Broadband "doesn't use a password" and "you don't need a password".
BT Broadband doesn't use a password - you can put anything (or nothing) into
the password field - it will just ignore it.
BT Broadband check that the ADSL line/circuit belongs to a telephone number
authorised to use their service instead
Regards
Sunil
Notty Pine
"Terry Eden" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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I was setting up a broadband connection up for my friend, (he had
signed up with Tiscali against my advice), and in the Broadband
Connections/Dial Up Connection box, there is his email address, and
also a starred out password with 15 stars, Revelation would not reveal
the password, and when I tried to change it, it just reverted back to
15 stars, so I left it. His password was not 15 letters/digits either.
Mr Spoon
>This is my first day with broadband - the BT Broadband service
>(27UKP/month; no news or email). With help here and elswhere I'm
>gradually getting some of the basics sorted.
>
>
One wonders why you went in for such a bad deal? There's umpteen
providers offering half meg broadband for around the 20gbp mark, with
email and usenet thrown in.
Peter
"Notty Pine" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Doesn't Windows encrypt passwords making the no. of asterisks longer?
P
PS. no password necessary for BT Broadband.
>
Beck
"Alien Zord" <rem.al...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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Not everybody has a credit card they can use for isp. So its easy for them
to choose BT which goes on the phonebill. Its not for anyone to comment on
their choices :-)
Slugsie
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>
>
> Doesn't Windows encrypt passwords making the no. of asterisks longer?
>
No, XP just displays 15 blobs no matter what. Makes it harder to crack the
password as you don't know how long it is.
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King Queen
<rem.al...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>You couldn't possibly have done worse. (The word plonker comes to mind but I
>won't mention it.)
AOL Broadband at £28 per month?
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Terry Pinnell
>One wonders why you went in for such a bad deal? There's umpteen
>providers offering half meg broadband for around the 20gbp mark, with
>email and usenet thrown in.
I answered similar question here:
Terry Pinnell
Thanks, David, that's helpful. Now I begin to understand some of the
apparently contradictory explanations I've been seeing. I am using the
standard BT Broadband package, which includes USB connection.
Can I play this back to make sure I really do have it straight, and
raise a couple of follow-ups please:
1. My PC *does* need to 'dial up', in the sense you've described.
(That's consistent with what I'm seeing here, namely the Connect
window appearing when I boot up, waiting for me to click Connect.)
2. Does that square OK with other advice I've received from the Agent
newsgroup, that in my Agent settings, under the Options> Dial-Up tab,
I should no longer enable 'Open dial-up connection before going
online'? FWIW, I've been using Agent with broadband for two days now
and have tried it with and without that checked, and it seems to make
no difference. Right now it's unchecked. Yet some of those expert
advisers used terms like '...most important to uncheck settings under
Dial up tab,' which puzzles me.
3. I don't really follow your final para, as I didn't create that
connection - it just appeared automatically after installation.
4. Finally, the key point that prompted this thread, the password. It
seems I can either
- leave it as unknown blobs?
- delete the blobs at next connection prompt and enter something of my
choice?
I'm apprehensive about someday needing to enter this. A couple of
years ago my PC supplier (Mesh) insisting that I'd never need a
password, despite apparent indications to the contrary. When Windows
XP crashed 6 months later I found to my cost that of course I *did*
need one. It took me a week to get my PC back in use by various means.
Terry Pinnell
>Terry wrote:
>> One puzzle I'd appreciate solving concerns my password. When I boot up
>> my XP Home PC and d-click the Internet icon in my system tray I get
>> the familiar Connection window,
>
>Broadband is always on. The secod your machines boots into windows it's
>connected to the net. No need to dial.
>
>If you got to internet explorer -> tools -> options -> connection settings
>You should be able to change it to "never dial a connection"
>
>This will stop the dial up box popping up.
Thanks, Terry. At present I see it's set to:
Always dial my default connection
Current: BT Broadband
Did you see David's response? I've just replied to that, with a recap
to see if I've finally grasped this issue.
I *think* there's an ambiguity here, that certainly wasn't obvious to
me. It seems from replies elsewhere that, if say ADSL failed, I
*could* use this 'BT Broadband Connection' just as a normal dial-up
connection. (Still means I might someday need to enter a password!) If
so, presumably that's what the Internet>Tools>Options>Connection
settings refer to, *not* to the broadband connection itself.
All very confusing...
If I now change MSIE6 setting to 'Never dial a connection', I assume
that the next time I boot up I won't even get this connection window
displayed?
>> But what
>> the heck *is* it, and where did it come from? Sometime soon I'm going
>> to be asked for it... There was nothing about it in my 'package'.
>
>It's a mistake. If you're dewsperate to find out, use RevalationV2. Google
>should help you find it. It's a freeware utility that lets you see behind
>to black spots.
From Notty Pine's reply, I gather it doesn't work in this case.
David Precious
> Thanks, David, that's helpful.
No problems!
> 1. My PC *does* need to 'dial up', in the sense you've described.
> (That's consistent with what I'm seeing here, namely the Connect
> window appearing when I boot up, waiting for me to click Connect.)
Correct. It's not 'dialling up' in the sense of a normal dialup modem -
dialling a telephone number to initiate a call, but as far as your PC is
concerned, the modem is dialling up.
> 2. Does that square OK with other advice I've received from the Agent
> newsgroup, that in my Agent settings, under the Options> Dial-Up tab,
> I should no longer enable 'Open dial-up connection before going
> online'? FWIW, I've been using Agent with broadband for two days now
> and have tried it with and without that checked, and it seems to make
> no difference. Right now it's unchecked. Yet some of those expert
> advisers used terms like '...most important to uncheck settings under
> Dial up tab,' which puzzles me.
If you don't have 'Open dial-up connection before going online' ticked,
you'll probably notice no difference if you're already connected when you
open Agent, but if you're not connected, it'll only initiate the connection
if you've got the box ticked.
> 3. I don't really follow your final para, as I didn't create that
> connection - it just appeared automatically after installation.
[to keep content, my final para was:]
> >You create a Dial-up networking connection, and enter any arbitrary
> > number for the number to dial (except a few modems where you enter
> > '0,38' to give the VPI/VCI settings).
> > You then enter your username and password, and connect up.
The creation of this dial-up networking connection would have been done for
you by the installation software (I assume you ran some BT Broadband setup
program).
>
> 4. Finally, the key point that prompted this thread, the password. It
> seems I can either
> - leave it as unknown blobs?
You can leave it the way it is - the only time you may experience problems
is if you need to enter it on the BT website, or if Windows / OE etc
'forgets' the password - it happens. I'd suggest you contact BT and ask
them to give you the password. Assuming you can prove you are the account
holder (giving them the card number used to pay for the account for
example) then they may give you it over the telephone - otherwise they'll
probably snail-mail it to you.
> - delete the blobs at next connection prompt and enter something of my
> choice?
Possibly - it depends how BT's system works, although I'd be surprised if
their radius (authentication) servers don't check the username and
password.
> I'm apprehensive about someday needing to enter this. A couple of
> years ago my PC supplier (Mesh) insisting that I'd never need a
> password, despite apparent indications to the contrary. When Windows
> XP crashed 6 months later I found to my cost that of course I *did*
> need one. It took me a week to get my PC back in use by various means.
That's what I was referring to - at the moment you probably don't need it,
but there's a good chance that, at some point, you will.
Cheers
Dave P
Sunil Sood
"David Precious" <pink...@preshweb.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Possibly - it depends how BT's system works, although I'd be surprised if
> their radius (authentication) servers don't check the username and
> password.
BT Broadband's systems do not use the password.
Instead, they use other authentication means - including cross referencing
the physical ADSL circuit's CBUK number with its database of allowed
telephone numbers etc.
BT Wholesale can also turn on a process called Selective Service Barring
(SSB) for ISP's. This is essentially a "lookup table" which details which
"services" (eg ISPs) your circuit is permitted to use and when it can use
them.
Regards
Sunil