TalkTalk HG635 on VDSL with multiple static IP addresses

[Abandoned Trolley]

hi there

If there's anybody out there using the TalkTalk business service on VDSL
with MORE THAN ONE static IP address, then I would be interested to hear
from you if you have managed to separate them in any way using the
supplied "super" router - which appears to be a Huawei HG635 with custom
firmware.

Alternatively, if you fancy having a rant about TalkTalk, Huawei or
Openreach, or giving me a lecture about how I don't need the static IP
addresses in the first place then maybe you could give this one a miss.

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[Grant Taylor]

On 2/19/19 8:19 AM, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
> hi there

Hi,

> If there's anybody out there using the TalkTalk business service on VDSL
> with MORE THAN ONE static IP address, then I would be interested to hear
> from you if you have managed to separate them in any way using the
> supplied "super" router - which appears to be a Huawei HG635 with custom
> firmware.

Does TalkTalk give out an 8 block (/27) with 6 usable IPs, one of which
will be for the router? Or do they do something else?

What do you mean by "separate them"? What are you wanting to do?

> Alternatively, if you fancy having a rant about TalkTalk, Huawei or
> Openreach, or giving me a lecture about how I don't need the static IP
> addresses in the first place then maybe you could give this one a miss.

Last time I checked, you are a paying customer and can request what ever
you want, for what ever reason you want it. Who would try to tell you
otherwise or say that you don't need a static IP? It doesn't matter if
you need it or not. If you want it and are willing to pay for it,
that's sufficient.



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Grant. . . .
unix || die

[Abandoned Trolley]

I have separate unix boxes for mail server and web server so I would
like different port forwarding rules within the router. I think its
either a question of router functionality or .. maybe they have sent me
the wrong router. I was hoping that an existing TalkTalk business
customer might have trodden this path before.

FWIW I believe its a block of 4 addresses, 2 of which are usable - I am
only paying for 2

[Richard Tobin]

In article <q4i9d7$1gr$1...@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net>,

Grant Taylor <gta...@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:

>Does TalkTalk give out an 8 block (/27) with 6 usable IPs

That would be /29.

-- Richard

[Grant Taylor]

On 2/20/19 5:49 AM, Richard Tobin wrote:
> That would be /29.

*FACEPALM*

I spend too much time working with /27s at work that this was habitual.

Thank you for the correction Richard.

Now where did I put the towel to wipe the egg off.

[Johann Beretta]

On 2/19/19 5:07 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
> It doesn't matter if
> you need it or not.  If you want it and are willing to pay for it,
> that's sufficient.

I think you'll find, that as IPV4 space continues to dwindle, many
companies are requiring justification for this diminishing resource.

Took me nearly a month to get another Class C block and I own an ISP...
_and_ I'm paying for the block. Simply wanting to pay for addresses is
not enough reason when plenty of other people will pay for it as well
and can demonstrate a need.

[Johann Beretta]

On 2/19/19 5:07 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:

>

> Does TalkTalk give out an 8 block (/27) with 6 usable IPs, one of which
> will be for the router?  Or do they do something else?
>

A /27 is 255.255.255.224

That's 32 hosts, not 8.

[Nick Leverton]

In article <q4h6q5$bcf$1...@dont-email.me>,

Abandoned Trolley <rus...@fredswedlock.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>hi there
>
>If there's anybody out there using the TalkTalk business service on VDSL
>with MORE THAN ONE static IP address, then I would be interested to hear
>from you if you have managed to separate them in any way using the
>supplied "super" router - which appears to be a Huawei HG635 with custom
>firmware.

Few if any ISP supplied routers seem to recognise in their GUIs that
one might have more than one external IP address. Usually it would need
command line configuration of the firewall, via telnet or ssh. I gather
though that the Talktalk Business router has different firmware from their
domestic ones. Searching suggests there are uploadable configurations
for the domestic ones to enable ssh access, but it wasn't clear whether
they also worked on the business firmware.

You've probably tried already, but does their business support line
have sufficient clue to help ? Surely someone else must have asked them
how to do this.

Nick
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[Paul Cummins]

In article <q4lkau$tdj$1...@dont-email.me>, ber...@nun-ya-bizness.com

(Johann Beretta) wrote:

> IPV4 space continues to dwindle,

You mean continues to fill. IP4 is a finite, constant space.

--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

[Graham.]

>In article <q4lkau$tdj$1...@dont-email.me>, ber...@nun-ya-bizness.com
>(Johann Beretta) wrote:
>
>> IPV4 space continues to dwindle,
>
>You mean continues to fill. IP4 is a finite, constant space.

Next you'll be telling us that disk partitions are the demarcations,
and not the volumes they encompass :)

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Graham.

%Profound_observation%

[Abandoned Trolley]

I have a particular reason for not wishing to contact the ISP about this
issue for the time being, but ...

I have to say that I am astonished at the difficulty in getting any kind
of sensible solution for this

[Graham J]

You're making a rod for your own back!

Get a proper ISP and a sensible router - but then you specifically
discounted that line of advice in your initial post.

Begs the question - why?


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Graham J

[Abandoned Trolley]

I am open to any suggestions about any router which will actually do the
job ..

[Char Jackson]

Actually, you've also been vague about what "the job" is. You apparently
have two servers on which you've configured publicly routable IPs, even
though the two servers run completely different services. With what
you've provided so far, a single routable IP would be fine and you'd
steer traffic based on its destination port. Also, any run of the mill
NAT router would then work.

It seems, though, that there might be more to the story. Hence, the
"vague" part.

[Abandoned Trolley]

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"or giving me a lecture about how I don't need the static IP addresses

in the first place then maybe you could give this one a miss" ...

AT

[Nick Leverton]

In article <q4n14c$bo2$1...@dont-email.me>,

Abandoned Trolley <rus...@fredswedlock.co.uk> wrote:
>On 21/02/2019 20:12, Graham J wrote:
>> Abandoned Trolley wrote:
>>> On 21/02/2019 09:36, Nick Leverton wrote:
>>>> In article <q4h6q5$bcf$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>>> Abandoned Trolley <rus...@fredswedlock.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> hi there
>>>>>
>>>>> If there's anybody out there using the TalkTalk business service on
>>>>> VDSL
>>>>> with MORE THAN ONE static IP address, then I would be interested to
>>>>> hear
>>>>> from you if you have managed to separate them in any way using the
>>>>> supplied "super" router - which appears to be a Huawei HG635 with
>>>>> custom
>>>>> firmware.
>

>I am open to any suggestions about any router which will actually do the
>job ..

Last time I needed multiple public IPs the routing was done by an old
Pentium with a DSL adaptor, running Debian and Shorewall, so apols but
I can't help on that one ... Unfortunately the HG635 isn't supported
by OpenWRT either (which I am currently getting to grips with to expand
the capabilities of my current router) so no help to be had there.

[Graham J]

He does need ONE static IP address, but for what he has described any
basic NAT router will be fine.

So we really do need to know why the OP has made these arbitrary
restrictions. Otherwise we're going to suggest a big Cisco router
running BGP and costing several £1000.




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Graham J

[Abandoned Trolley]

Thanks for the suggestion, but as you have no idea what I "need" and
clearly have no intention of answering the original question I am not
sure of the value of your input.

AT

[Abandoned Trolley]

I would be interested to know if OpenWRT provides support for multiple
WAN IPs ( preferably via GUI ?) as I have a couple of suitable router
hosts. I have tried on the DD-WRT forum but cannot find any clear
answers there.

[Andy Burns]

Abandoned Trolley wrote:

> I would be interested to know if OpenWRT provides support for multiple
> WAN IPs ( preferably via GUI ?)

yes it does.

[Abandoned Trolley]

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Thanks for that.
I had been thinking about it anyway for a wireless bridge, but fixed
that problem using DD-WRT.
I managed to download the OpenWRT binary and load it in to an old
router. Its looking quite promising, although there appears to be a bit
of a learning curve :-\

AT

[Roderick Stewart]

You could always tell us what you need, and why. Then people might be
able to offer more helpful suggestions.

Rod.

[Nick Leverton]

In article <q4otbg$clf$1...@dont-email.me>,

Good luck, hope it gets you somewhere. This link looks as though it may
be helpful, although it's confusing that you have to add extra interfaces
to your WAN interface. That's not how iptables/nftables does it under
the bonnet, it has very little concept of interfaces ...
https://forum.openwrt.org/t/solved-how-to-configure-static-block-multiple-static-ips-on-wan/13815/14

[Johann Beretta]

On 2/21/19 11:47 AM, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

> I have a particular reason for not wishing to contact the ISP about this
> issue for the time being, but ...
>
> I have to say that I am astonished at the difficulty in getting any kind
> of sensible solution for this
>
> AT
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Mikrotik routers can handle any number of IP addresses being assigned to
any particular port you want. Be warned, there is a bit of a learning
curve, but it's not horrible. RouterOS (the OS for Mikrotik) is well
documented. If you can't quite figure it out, there's plenty of folks
on Upwork.com who sell their expertise for reasonable rates.

[Grant Taylor]

On 2/21/19 1:19 PM, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
> I am open to any suggestions about any router which will actually do the
> job ..

You may find that your ISP won't support other routers, especially when
you're using blocks of globally routed IPs.

I've run into multiple providers here in the US that /require/ you to
use their specific router for blocks of globally routed IPs (which are
only available on business class subscriptions).

People have talked about replacing the routers with something else and
maybe getting it to work. But this is an unsupported configuration and
they accepted the risk of doing so.

I've heard / read accounts of cable internet providers in the US doing
this and requiring their router, which did standard things, but they
didn't tell people. Supposedly their router used RIP on the CMTS side
to advertise the local globally routed block to the upstream CMTS
routers (which didn't advertise anything). Thus the upstream routers
could find the downstream router that had the block of globally routed
IPs, despite the fact that said router was itself using DHCP from the
provider.

In some ways this seems like a nasty hack. But in other ways it seems
like an elegant solution.

You may end up being tied to the "super" router provided by the ISP. Or
an unsupported solution.

Good luck.

[Johann Beretta]

On 2/22/19 1:36 AM, Graham J wrote:

>
>
> He does need ONE static IP address, but for what he has described any
> basic NAT router will be fine.
>
> So we really do need to know why the OP has made these arbitrary
> restrictions.  Otherwise we're going to suggest a big Cisco router
> running BGP and costing several £1000.
>

MikroTik has any number of routers that are far more affordable and just
as powerful as anything Cisco offers in the same class.

Just as an example, they offer a 72 core rackmount that will push 80
Gbps for around $3K.

Of course there are ones that are much less than that, but they all
share the same OS.. So a $50 MT has the same capabilities as a $3K one,
as far as functionality, if not raw CPU power.

[Tim Chick]

On Tuesday, 19 February 2019 at 15:19:34 UTC, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
> hi there
>
> If there's anybody out there using the TalkTalk business service on VDSL
> with MORE THAN ONE static IP address, then I would be interested to hear
> from you if you have managed to separate them in any way using the
> supplied "super" router - which appears to be a Huawei HG635 with custom
> firmware.
>

> Alternatively, if you fancy having a rant about TalkTalk, Huawei or

> Openreach, or giving me a lecture about how I don't need the static IP

> addresses in the first place then maybe you could give this one a miss.
>

> AT
>
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Yes, I have this setup. You get 4 ip addresses in a block. Any openwrt router can do the port forward based on destination ip address. I'm using a Asus router which I've stuck my own firmware on. Now have FTTP, but when I had VSDL, used a Broadcom router in bridged mode - gave me 10% more throughput compared to talk talk router.

[Abandoned_Trolley]

interesting

although I am not sure why you have responded to a thread that's more
than 4 years old, and still made no attempt to answer the original question.

All part of the enduring charm of the internet ...



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