Sky hub SR102 vs Be Boxes by Thompson/Technicolour

[David]

If I stay with Be Unlimited and do nothing I continue to use my present Be
Box for SKY but if I go now I get a Sky SR102.
I know the Sky SR102 is better on one feature in that it will do ADSL and
Fiber.

Leaving that aside are Sky SR101/102 better quality than
Thompson/Technicolour which I assume are a sort of cheap basic product.
Who makes the Sky product please?

Do Plusnet who seem to be picking up 02/Be customers use the
Thompson/Technicolor product?

Regards
David

[George Weston]

Yes, Plusnet use the Technicolor router.
I'm no judge of its capabilities compared with other brands/models but I
use one and it works OK (so far).
It's probably pretty basic but then again, so am I!

[Adrian C]

On 13/01/2014 17:29, David wrote:

Yes,

I went from the original BeBox Thompson Speedtouch 780WL to Plusnet's
TG582n router configured for FTTC.

With the former I was a quite advanced user of the Speedtouch CLI
(primarily local machine DNS resolving and forwarding to another
internal DNS server for PXE related things) and I was glad to move all
my CLI mods mostly unchanged over to the new router!

<smug>
Boy, am I glad I pushed off Be on the day when Sky .... :-p
</smug>

AIUI It's been tradition* with Sky that their supplied routers are
pretty well locked down to the minimum of user configurable features, to
save them excess work on support calls.

* well, with their past supplied Netgear & Sagem models...

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[NY]

"George Weston" <geow...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
news:bjit9r...@mid.individual.net...

> Yes, Plusnet use the Technicolor router.
> I'm no judge of its capabilities compared with other brands/models but I
> use one and it works OK (so far).
> It's probably pretty basic but then again, so am I!

They seem to be fairly good routers, though the user interface seems to be
slow to move from one page to another linked one (eg from the summary to
details page for DSL statistics).

There doesn't seem to be a capability for assigned a fixed IP address for a
printer where any PC that talks to the printer usually needs to be
configured always to access that printer by a consistent IP address. The
remedy is to hard-code the printer itself to a fixed address, rather than
using DHCP but make the router always assign the printer (identified by its
MAC address) the same IP.

Beware that the PlusNet firmware has a feature which always configured the
DSL username and password to the value in PN's database, so if you get a
Technicolor router from a PN customer who no longer needs it (eg because
they have since moved to a different ISP) and connect to the PN network, it
will reset itself to the original customer's details, even if you have
overridden them! Took me a while to work that out! Had to download vanilla,
non-PN, firmware to get round that!

I wonder how Thompson have got permission to use the brand name Technicolor,
given that it has been used for many years to describe the colour cinema
film process. It's like Vax which is now a brand of vacuum cleaner whereas
it was once a type of mainframe computer made by DEC.

[Michael R N Dolbear]

"NY" wrote

> I wonder how Thompson have got permission to use the brand name
> Technicolor,
given that it has been used for many years to describe the colour cinema
film process. It's like Vax which is now a brand of vacuum cleaner whereas
it was once a type of mainframe computer made by DEC.

If by Brand Name you are thinking of a registered Trade (and now Service)
Mark, it applies to only a specified type of goods etc., see Schlumberger
Windows, TM for direct reading electricity meters. You have to show actual
use and pay a annual fee for each classification to be protected.

So Technicolor may also be used for submarine tropical holidays without any
breach of (film) Technicolor's IP.

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[Adrian C]

On 13/01/2014 20:53, NY wrote:
> "George Weston" <geow...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bjit9r...@mid.individual.net...
>> Yes, Plusnet use the Technicolor router.
>> I'm no judge of its capabilities compared with other brands/models but
>> I use one and it works OK (so far).
>> It's probably pretty basic but then again, so am I!
>
> They seem to be fairly good routers, though the user interface seems to
> be slow to move from one page to another linked one (eg from the summary
> to details page for DSL statistics).
>
> There doesn't seem to be a capability for assigned a fixed IP address
> for a printer where any PC that talks to the printer usually needs to be
> configured always to access that printer by a consistent IP address. The
> remedy is to hard-code the printer itself to a fixed address, rather
> than using DHCP but make the router always assign the printer
> (identified by its MAC address) the same IP.

You can do using speedtouch CLI (via telnet)

:dns server config domain=thishellhole.lan timeout=15 suppress=0
state=enabled trace=disabled syslog=disabled

:dns client config timeout=5 retry=4 search=enabled
list=thishellhole.lan trace=disabled

:dns host add name myprinter addr=192.168.0.67 ttl=0

then the printer can be refered as myprinter.thishellhole.lan

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[The Natural Philosopher]

On 13/01/14 21:45, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:
> It's like Vax which is now a brand of vacuum cleaner whereas
> it was once a type of mainframe computer made by DEC.

Nothing sucks like a VAX as we used to say...


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I moved from Be to Sky and, yes, the SR101 doesn't let you do much.
On the other hand, after a longish period of getting less throughput,
particularly upstream, the whole thing has settled down to give me
faster connections and more reliable.

[Apellation Controlee]

The interface on that Technicolor router is just dreadful, added to
which its WiFi capability is dismal.

[Apellation Controlee]

On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 20:53:55 -0000, "NY" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>"George Weston" <geow...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>news:bjit9r...@mid.individual.net...
>> Yes, Plusnet use the Technicolor router.
>> I'm no judge of its capabilities compared with other brands/models but I
>> use one and it works OK (so far).
>> It's probably pretty basic but then again, so am I!
>
>They seem to be fairly good routers, though the user interface seems to be
>slow to move from one page to another linked one (eg from the summary to
>details page for DSL statistics).
>
>There doesn't seem to be a capability for assigned a fixed IP address for a
>printer where any PC that talks to the printer usually needs to be
>configured always to access that printer by a consistent IP address. The
>remedy is to hard-code the printer itself to a fixed address, rather than
>using DHCP but make the router always assign the printer (identified by its
>MAC address) the same IP.

Once the router has assigned an address to a device there is the means
to make it "sticky". You just have to dig around.

[George Weston]

Strangely enough, my wi-fi is better with the Technicolor router than
with my previous D-Link model.
It also has a WPS button, which enabled instant connection of my wi-fi
printer.

[George Weston]

On 13/01/2014 20:53, NY wrote:

Looking at the Technicolor website, it appears that the company may well
have been a spin-off from Alcatel-Lucent.
It's registered in France.
They probably bought the name (Just like NTL, who re-branded as Virgin a
while back)

[Roderick Stewart]

On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 20:53:55 -0000, "NY" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>> Yes, Plusnet use the Technicolor router.
>> I'm no judge of its capabilities compared with other brands/models but I
>> use one and it works OK (so far).
>> It's probably pretty basic but then again, so am I!
>
>They seem to be fairly good routers, though the user interface seems to be
>slow to move from one page to another linked one (eg from the summary to
>details page for DSL statistics).

If yours is a TG582n then it's the same as the one I got from Zen
(because it was cheap) though the web interface includes a Zen logo so
I don't know how much else they will have customised. As you say, the
interface is very sluggish and there aren't very many interesting
settings to play with, but it does work perfectly well with most of
the settings that are available just left at defaults.

>There doesn't seem to be a capability for assigned a fixed IP address for a
>printer where any PC that talks to the printer usually needs to be
>configured always to access that printer by a consistent IP address. The
>remedy is to hard-code the printer itself to a fixed address, rather than
>using DHCP but make the router always assign the printer (identified by its
>MAC address) the same IP.

Yes, if you want a local IP address to be fixed, you should fix it
yourself in the device itself, and not let DHCP assign it. Have a look
at the addresses that are being automatically assigned. I couldn't
find any way of changing the DHCP range on mine, but it seemed to
begin at 192.168.1.64 by default, which means that all addresses from
2 to 63 can be used as fixed ones, which is a perfecty usable
arrangement as it stands.

>Beware that the PlusNet firmware has a feature which always configured the
>DSL username and password to the value in PN's database, so if you get a
>Technicolor router from a PN customer who no longer needs it (eg because
>they have since moved to a different ISP) and connect to the PN network, it
>will reset itself to the original customer's details, even if you have
>overridden them! Took me a while to work that out! Had to download vanilla,
>non-PN, firmware to get round that!

I think it's very naughty of equipment manufacturers to do that, as it
probably results in a lot of otherwise perfectly usable secondhand
modems, routers and mobile phones being junked, which is a great
waste. I don't think my router was pre-programmed with my personal
details as I'm sure I can recall having to enter them, but I don't
know if it will accept addresses other than Zen ones. Some BT modems,
for example, will let you enter your own details but the save button
won't save them unless the address is one of theirs.

Rod.

[Andy Burns]

NY wrote:

> Beware that the PlusNet firmware has a feature which always configured the
> DSL username and password to the value in PN's database, so if you get a
> Technicolor router from a PN customer who no longer needs it (eg because
> they have since moved to a different ISP) and connect to the PN network, it
> will reset itself to the original customer's details, even if you have
> overridden them! Took me a while to work that out! Had to download vanilla,
> non-PN, firmware to get round that!

The original owner of the router can request PN remove the serial number
from the TR-069 database, whether the subsequent purchaser can also make
the request, I don't know, as to whether either person is aware of that
- quite unlikely.

> I wonder how Thompson have got permission to use the brand name Technicolor,
> given that it has been used for many years to describe the colour cinema
> film process. It's like Vax which is now a brand of vacuum cleaner whereas
> it was once a type of mainframe computer made by DEC.

trade marks are registered within a certain scope hence VAX for vacuums
and VAX for minicomputers are not exclusive, similarly Technicolor for
routers is unlikely to be confused with TEchnicolor for films.

[Adrian C]

On 14/01/2014 11:26, Roderick Stewart wrote:
I couldn't
> find any way of changing the DHCP range on mine, but it seemed to
> begin at 192.168.1.64 by default, which means that all addresses from
> 2 to 63 can be used as fixed ones, which is a perfecty usable
> arrangement as it stands.

TG582n

Home > Home Network > Interfaces > LocalNetwork
Click configure on the right.

Not too sure what LAN_VIRT is all about.

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[Apellation Controlee]

On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 11:09:15 +0000, George Weston

My Three MiFi gizmo that we're temporarily using in the far room to
plug the shortfall has better coverage. Its signal is usable in the
room where the Technicolor router sits but, well, it's where it is for
a reason.
I bought a refurb Linksys E1000 router that I intend to flash with
DD-WRT firmware and use as a repeating bridge, although it occurs to
me that, if it's up to the job, it may simply operate as a replacement
for the Technicolor, with no need for bridging.

[Roderick Stewart]

On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 14:19:35 +0000, Adrian C <em...@here.invalid>
wrote:

>On 14/01/2014 11:26, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> I couldn't
>> find any way of changing the DHCP range on mine, but it seemed to
>> begin at 192.168.1.64 by default, which means that all addresses from
>> 2 to 63 can be used as fixed ones, which is a perfecty usable
>> arrangement as it stands.
>
>TG582n
>
>Home > Home Network > Interfaces > LocalNetwork
>Click configure on the right.

Been there, but on mine there is only an ADD button, which seems only
to provide the option of adding another DHCP pool, but not deleting
the existing one. So the range 192.168.1.64 to 192.168.1.253 appears
to be something I'm stuck with, whatever I care to add to it. In
practice this was only a minor irritation because my previous router
had the DHCP address range beginning at 100, so it was only necessary
to alter a few local addresses that were between 64 and 99.

>Not too sure what LAN_VIRT is all about.

Likewise, and I've had no success finding a detailed instruction
manual. Maybe it's intended for adding another local network that can
be administered separately? A guest network perhaps? Not something I
need anyway.

Rod.

[Adrian C]

On 14/01/2014 18:34, Roderick Stewart wrote:

> Been there, but on mine there is only an ADD button, which seems only
> to provide the option of adding another DHCP pool, but not deleting
> the existing one. So the range 192.168.1.64 to 192.168.1.253 appears
> to be something I'm stuck with, whatever I care to add to it.

Strange.

Though if you wanna wander through the telnet CLI it should be configurable.

:dhcp server pool (etc...)

If not, check your role as user is Administrator. Can't remember - might
be set as default to something more restrictive.

:user list

In
> practice this was only a minor irritation

Whether it's worth sorting as mucking about in CLI has its risks, best
to backup the configuration and use the 'menu' command to show the
command options if wanna go this way.

because my previous router
> had the DHCP address range beginning at 100, so it was only necessary
> to alter a few local addresses that were between 64 and 99.
>
>> Not too sure what LAN_VIRT is all about.
>
> Likewise, and I've had no success finding a detailed instruction
> manual.

google: technicolor tg582n cli

It's got a whole lot more gubbins to fiddle with than the web interface
shows. Like the old BE box :)

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[Jim]

On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 20:52:07 +0000, in uk.telecom.broadband you wrote:

>AIUI It's been tradition* with Sky that their supplied routers are
>pretty well locked down to the minimum of user configurable features, to
>save them excess work on support calls.
>
>* well, with their past supplied Netgear & Sagem models...

Or to stop users finding and de-activating the backdoors ?

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[Jim]

On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 20:53:55 -0000, "NY" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>I wonder how Thompson have got permission to use the brand name Technicolor,
>given that it has been used for many years to describe the colour cinema
>film process. It's like Vax which is now a brand of vacuum cleaner whereas
>it was once a type of mainframe computer made by DEC.

It isn't spelled the illiterate Yank way - the Thompson
modem is spelled the correct way.

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[Jim]

But this modem is called Technicolour not 'Technicolor' !

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[alexd]

NY (for it is he) wrote:

> There doesn't seem to be a capability for assigned a fixed IP address for
> a printer where any PC that talks to the printer usually needs to be
> configured always to access that printer by a consistent IP address.

Even the basic Windows printer drivers of old will give you the option of
locating a printer with SNMP in case the IP address changes [judging by logs
on various network kit, all the driver does is poke every IP address on the
subnet one by one until it finds the printer it's after]. Newer printers
support mDNS for easy location on the LAN. I had assumed this particular
problem was long-solved.

alexd

[Toby]

You need to tun off the DHCP before you can alter it

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[Roderick Stewart]

On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 19:26:32 +0000, Adrian C <em...@here.invalid>

wrote:

>
>> Been there, but on mine there is only an ADD button, which seems only
>> to provide the option of adding another DHCP pool, but not deleting
>> the existing one. So the range 192.168.1.64 to 192.168.1.253 appears
>> to be something I'm stuck with, whatever I care to add to it.
>
>Strange.
>
>Though if you wanna wander through the telnet CLI it should be configurable.

Never thought of using telnet. It's been ages. Surprised it still
exists. I would definitely need a manual for that though.

>google: technicolor tg582n cli

Well I never. Found a PDF with about 800 pages. Something to read on a
rainy day. :-)

Rod.

[Roderick Stewart]

On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 21:55:45 +0000, Jim <Che...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>trade marks are registered within a certain scope hence VAX for vacuums
>>and VAX for minicomputers are not exclusive, similarly Technicolor for
>>routers is unlikely to be confused with TEchnicolor for films.
>
> But this modem is called Technicolour not 'Technicolor' !

Whatever it might be called elsewhere, mine (provided by Zen) is
called "Technicolor" in the setup pages of the device itself.

Rod.

[Adrian C]

On 14/01/2014 22:32, Toby wrote:
> Adrian C <em...@here.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Strange.

>
> You need to tun off the DHCP before you can alter it
>

:facepalm

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[George Weston]

That is very odd indeed!
Mine (provided by Plusnet) is clearly labelled "Technicolor",

[chris]

THat's probably down to all Be/O2 customers leaving... :P

[Jim]

Then possibly Amazon doesn't know that - they term it
'Technicolour'. I only looked there.

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[Roderick Stewart]

On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 21:08:09 +0000, Jim <Che...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>
>>>>trade marks are registered within a certain scope hence VAX for vacuums
>>>>and VAX for minicomputers are not exclusive, similarly Technicolor for
>>>>routers is unlikely to be confused with TEchnicolor for films.
>>>
>>> But this modem is called Technicolour not 'Technicolor' !
>>
>>Whatever it might be called elsewhere, mine (provided by Zen) is
>>called "Technicolor" in the setup pages of the device itself.
>
> Then possibly Amazon doesn't know that - they term it
>'Technicolour'. I only looked there.

You're right. Amazon are wrong. I've just looked. Somebody at Amazon
can't spell. Who would have thought?

On the other hand, I reached their wrongly spelt entry by doing a
correctly spelt search, so their fuzzy search appears to be working.
This would seem to suggest that Amazon's fuzzy search has to be at
least as fuzzy as their own fuzzy spelling otherwise some things would
never be found.

Rod.

[Jim]

On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 11:24:54 +0000, Roderick Stewart
<rj...@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

>>>Whatever it might be called elsewhere, mine (provided by Zen) is
>>>called "Technicolor" in the setup pages of the device itself.
>>
>> Then possibly Amazon doesn't know that - they term it
>>'Technicolour'. I only looked there.
>
>You're right. Amazon are wrong. I've just looked. Somebody at Amazon
>can't spell. Who would have thought?
>
>On the other hand, I reached their wrongly spelt entry by doing a
>correctly spelt search, so their fuzzy search appears to be working.
>This would seem to suggest that Amazon's fuzzy search has to be at
>least as fuzzy as their own fuzzy spelling otherwise some things would
>never be found.

If you expand the photo of the modem, you'll see that Thompson
mis-spell it as 'Technicolor', so I contend that Amazon is correct
in spelling the 'colour' part correctly. :o)

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[Michael R N Dolbear]

"Roderick Stewart" wrote

>>called "Technicolor" in the setup pages of the device itself.
>
> Then possibly Amazon doesn't know that - they term it
>'Technicolour'. I only looked there.

.> You're right. Amazon are wrong. I've just looked. Somebody at Amazon

can't spell. Who would have thought?

.> On the other hand, I reached their wrongly spelt entry by doing a

correctly spelt search, so their fuzzy search appears to be working.
This would seem to suggest that Amazon's fuzzy search has to be at
least as fuzzy as their own fuzzy spelling otherwise some things would
never be found.

Which has been known to happen. I once found something I knew was there only
by using Google.

And in Amazon books Advanced Search has been known to fail to find a title a
simple search has no difficulty with - I suppose the indexes were messed up
since the actual page looked fine.

Indeed most of the Amazon content comes from the input of a seller or a
wholesaler's database.


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[alexd]

Jim (for it is he) wrote:

> Then possibly Amazon doesn't know that - they term it
> 'Technicolour'. I only looked there.

That's a clbuttic!

http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Clbuttic-Mistake-.aspx

alexd

[Bob Eager]

On the other other hand...I think it's mildly amusing that there's all
this discussion about the spelling of "Technicolo{,u}r", but none about
the spelling (in the Subject:) of "Thom{,p}son"...



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[Roderick Stewart]

On 16 Jan 2014 22:26:35 GMT, Bob Eager <news...@eager.cx> wrote:

>>>>> But this modem is called Technicolour not 'Technicolor' !
>>>>
>>>>Whatever it might be called elsewhere, mine (provided by Zen) is called
>>>>"Technicolor" in the setup pages of the device itself.
>>>
>>> Then possibly Amazon doesn't know that - they term it
>>>'Technicolour'. I only looked there.
>>
>> You're right. Amazon are wrong. I've just looked. Somebody at Amazon
>> can't spell. Who would have thought?
>>
>> On the other hand, I reached their wrongly spelt entry by doing a
>> correctly spelt search, so their fuzzy search appears to be working.
>> This would seem to suggest that Amazon's fuzzy search has to be at least
>> as fuzzy as their own fuzzy spelling otherwise some things would never
>> be found.
>
>On the other other hand...I think it's mildly amusing that there's all
>this discussion about the spelling of "Technicolo{,u}r", but none about
>the spelling (in the Subject:) of "Thom{,p}son"...

It isn't really a matter for discussion if it's somebody's name.
Whatever their name is, that's their name and that's that.

Rod.

[Plusnet Support Team]

On 14/01/2014 11:55, Andy Burns wrote:
> NY wrote:
>
>> Beware that the PlusNet firmware has a feature which always configured
>> the
>> DSL username and password to the value in PN's database, so if you get a
>> Technicolor router from a PN customer who no longer needs it (eg because
>> they have since moved to a different ISP) and connect to the PN
>> network, it
>> will reset itself to the original customer's details, even if you have
>> overridden them! Took me a while to work that out! Had to download
>> vanilla,
>> non-PN, firmware to get round that!
>
> The original owner of the router can request PN remove the serial number
> from the TR-069 database, whether the subsequent purchaser can also make
> the request, I don't know, as to whether either person is aware of that
> - quite unlikely.

Worth noting that this is a non-issue if the account the router
originally belonged to has been cancelled.

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[Bob Eager]

My point was that the subject line is wrong!

[Peter Boulding]

On 17 Jan 2014 23:45:16 GMT, Bob Eager <news...@eager.cx> wrote in
<bjttkcF...@mid.individual.net>:

>>>On the other other hand...I think it's mildly amusing that there's all
>>>this discussion about the spelling of "Technicolo{,u}r", but none about
>>>the spelling (in the Subject:) of "Thom{,p}son"...
>>
>> It isn't really a matter for discussion if it's somebody's name.
>> Whatever their name is, that's their name and that's that.
>
>My point was that the subject line is wrong!

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[Jim]

On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 03:57:56 +0000, Peter Boulding
<pjbn...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk> wrote:

>On 17 Jan 2014 23:45:16 GMT, Bob Eager <news...@eager.cx> wrote in
><bjttkcF...@mid.individual.net>:
>
>>>>On the other other hand...I think it's mildly amusing that there's all
>>>>this discussion about the spelling of "Technicolo{,u}r", but none about
>>>>the spelling (in the Subject:) of "Thom{,p}son"...
>>>
>>> It isn't really a matter for discussion if it's somebody's name.
>>> Whatever their name is, that's their name and that's that.
>>
>>My point was that the subject line is wrong!

So OK the parent company is Thomson, but I wish they'd
learn to spell.

><http://xkcd.com/386/>

:o))

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[grinch]

On 18/01/14 19:16, Jim wrote:

> So OK the parent company is Thomson, but I wish they'd
> learn to spell.
>

I wish they would stop making routers and leave it to cisco . Then my
life would be much easier.

[alexd]

grinch (for it is he) wrote:

> I wish they would stop making routers and leave it to cisco . Then my
> life would be much easier.

WTF? Horses for courses.

alexd

[Graham.]

On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 20:44:33 +0000, alexd <trof...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

That's Chepstow, not Cisco.
The SSID on my Netgear is "Cisco" just to make the neighbours jealous.




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[Andy Burns]

Graham. wrote:

> The SSID on my Netgear is "Cisco" just to make the neighbours jealous.

Maybe I'll set mine to "RSPCA bark/howl monitor"
in the hope they might take the hound out with them ...

[Jim]

On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:58:25 +0000, grinch <gri...@somewhere.com>
wrote:

If Cisco makes one that will set itself up on both the
Internet and the LAN then I'll consider replacing my
ageing Belkin with one such.

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[Apellation Controlee]

"GCHQ" gets the curtains twitching.

[grinch]

On 19/01/14 23:28, Jim wrote:

>
> If Cisco makes one that will set itself up on both the
> Internet and the LAN then I'll consider replacing my
> ageing Belkin with one such.
>

Cisco have their configuration engine (
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/netmgtsw/ps4617/) which will
configure most of their routers but it easier to configure one off's
manually.

I have a Cisco 867vae which I bought second hand for �120 ,it replaces
the BT modem and connects me to the internet without burning hole in my
desk ,the huawei FTTC modem could keep my coffee warm it got that hot.


I have used many different makes of soho routers and I have admit that
technicolor/thompson are definitely the worst I have ever used. My last
employer used Zyxel they are IMHO much better.To be fair, warts are
better than Technicolors. I hate them with a passion.

[NY]

"grinch" <gri...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:lbk7r1$p38$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

I've found the user interface of DLink routers is a pain - very often I can
change a setting, see the effect of it and then find that it's reverted to
its old setting a few minutes later - even without a reboot so you can't
blame it on not saving the changed setting to non-volatile RAM. However once
I've persuaded a DLink to remember its changed settings, it seems to be
reliable.

For sheer unreliability (dropped connections - both wireless and ADSL, loss
of LAN-WAN routing, totally dead) Belkin routers seem to be worse than
others I've encountered such as Netgear, TPlink, Thomson.

[Jim]

On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 08:25:51 -0000, "NY" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>"grinch" <gri...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>news:lbk7r1$p38$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>> On 19/01/14 23:28, Jim wrote:

[That was Grinch actually, not me]

>> I have used many different makes of soho routers and I have admit that
>> technicolor/thompson are definitely the worst I have ever used. My last
>> employer used Zyxel they are IMHO much better.To be fair, warts are
>> better than Technicolors. I hate them with a passion.
>
>I've found the user interface of DLink routers is a pain - very often I can
>change a setting, see the effect of it and then find that it's reverted to
>its old setting a few minutes later - even without a reboot so you can't
>blame it on not saving the changed setting to non-volatile RAM. However once
>I've persuaded a DLink to remember its changed settings, it seems to be
>reliable.
>
>For sheer unreliability (dropped connections - both wireless and ADSL, loss
>of LAN-WAN routing, totally dead) Belkin routers seem to be worse than
>others I've encountered such as Netgear, TPlink, Thomson.

I started with a D-Link for which I had resort to the helpline
to set it up. It's in a cupboard somwhere now.

I then got a Belkin, which doesn't have a model number, from a
charity shop. It worked well for over a year, then last month it was
losing sync regularly, but OK for maybe days after a reboot. This
month it hasn't lost sync at all. Perhaps it was the ISP. Nonetheless
I feel I ought to replace it.

I tried a TP-Link modem I was setting up for a friend, it worked
perfectly on the net and boosted my speed quite remarkably, but I
couldn't get it to see the other three machines on my little net.

So I'm still looking for a modem which can set up both the LAN
and WAN with a minimum of user intervention.

--

:: Jim,


http://www.yesscotland.net

[The Natural Philosopher]

reboot them

they need to pick up the correct settings anew from the router

> So I'm still looking for a modem which can set up both the LAN
> and WAN with a minimum of user intervention.
>

No such animal.

Well maybe a TPlink..its designed for the dumbest of home users.

netgear are usually the next stupidest thing.

--
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

[Jim]

On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 21:24:01 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>> I started with a D-Link for which I had resort to the helpline
>> to set it up. It's in a cupboard somwhere now.
>>
>> I then got a Belkin, which doesn't have a model number, from a
>> charity shop. It worked well for over a year, then last month it was
>> losing sync regularly, but OK for maybe days after a reboot. This
>> month it hasn't lost sync at all. Perhaps it was the ISP. Nonetheless
>> I feel I ought to replace it.
>>
>> I tried a TP-Link modem I was setting up for a friend, it worked
>> perfectly on the net and boosted my speed quite remarkably, but I
>> couldn't get it to see the other three machines on my little net.

>reboot them

Noted. I've ordered the TP-Link TD-W8960N.

>they need to pick up the correct settings anew from the router

Noted.

>> So I'm still looking for a modem which can set up both the LAN
>> and WAN with a minimum of user intervention.
>>
>
>No such animal.
>
>Well maybe a TPlink..its designed for the dumbest of home users.

That must be me then. Many of us just want things to
work without taking a degree in IT.

>netgear are usually the next stupidest thing.

Their DG834 served me well before the advent of wireless.

--

:: Jim,


http://www.yesscotland.net

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 22/01/14 22:25, Jim wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 21:24:01 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> I started with a D-Link for which I had resort to the helpline
>>> to set it up. It's in a cupboard somwhere now.
>>>
>>> I then got a Belkin, which doesn't have a model number, from a
>>> charity shop. It worked well for over a year, then last month it was
>>> losing sync regularly, but OK for maybe days after a reboot. This
>>> month it hasn't lost sync at all. Perhaps it was the ISP. Nonetheless
>>> I feel I ought to replace it.
>>>
>>> I tried a TP-Link modem I was setting up for a friend, it worked
>>> perfectly on the net and boosted my speed quite remarkably, but I
>>> couldn't get it to see the other three machines on my little net.
>
>> reboot them
>
> Noted. I've ordered the TP-Link TD-W8960N.
>
>> they need to pick up the correct settings anew from the router
>
> Noted.
>
>>> So I'm still looking for a modem which can set up both the LAN
>>> and WAN with a minimum of user intervention.
>>>
>>
>> No such animal.
>>
>> Well maybe a TPlink..its designed for the dumbest of home users.
>
> That must be me then. Many of us just want things to
> work without taking a degree in IT.
>

well yes, and I have a lot of respect for that position.

I found the TPlink trivial to get working suitably for 'home users' but
impossible to get any advanced features working AT ALL.

By contrasts the Billion required a half day get it working AT ALL but
it did exactly what it said it would with every feature.

>> netgear are usually the next stupidest thing.
>
> Their DG834 served me well before the advent of wireless.
>


--

[Jim]

On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 22:56:29 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>> That must be me then. Many of us just want things to
>> work without taking a degree in IT.
>>
>
>well yes, and I have a lot of respect for that position.
>
>I found the TPlink trivial to get working suitably for 'home users' but
>impossible to get any advanced features working AT ALL.

The one tried worked well: Internet at very good speed on
all three machines. Unfortunately LAN was a one way street,
wouldn't work from XP to Windows 7. It does on the present
Belkin, so the problem is the modem not the OS settings.

>By contrasts the Billion required a half day get it working AT ALL but
>it did exactly what it said it would with every feature.

Expensive kit !

--

:: Jim,


http://www.yesscotland.net