Plusnet Newsgroups Late & Slow
Road_Hog
customers getting their messages on time? Newsgroups are so slooooow, makes
dial up on FreeUK look like lightening.
They've been talking about getting this sorted out for weeks now. I hope I
can be as slow and patchy with my direct debit payment?
Andy Hewitt
No, it's not even connecting properly here today. However, it was only a
test as I normally use new.individual.net anyway.
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...Jerry...
"Andy Hewitt" <hairy...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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<snip>
Hi Andy, how's things!
How is the motor trade up your way these days?
(J.L.E)
Andy Hewitt
Wotcha mate,
Good to hear from you again. I'm now up in Durham, and working in 'The
Toon'. It's much better up here for sure.
TTFN
Andy
nsj
> Good to hear from you again. I'm now up in Durham, and working in 'The
> Toon'. It's much better up here for sure.
Ah, Durham. A very nice part of the world, and I've had an enjoyable 3
years here. But it's somebody else's turn for the fun!
Much nicer place than darn sarf.
nsj.
(trying to find place to live in London)
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...Jerry...
> ...Jerry... <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > "Andy Hewitt" <hairy...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> > news:1gg1v7v.186d69dshdo4dN%hairy...@spamcop.net...
> > <snip>
> >
> > Hi Andy, how's things!
> >
> > How is the motor trade up your way these days?
> >
> > (J.L.E)
>
> Wotcha mate,
>
> Good to hear from you again. I'm now up in Durham, and working in 'The
> Toon'. It's much better up here for sure.
>
Oh right, most of the people I know or knew who lived in the Beds / Herts
area seem to have either moved or are working away, there must be something
in the water...
How are you coping with the language ?! :~)
Glad to hear things are going well.
Andy Hewitt
<Snipped Text>
> > Wotcha mate,
> >
> > Good to hear from you again. I'm now up in Durham, and working in 'The
> > Toon'. It's much better up here for sure.
> >
>
> Oh right, most of the people I know or knew who lived in the Beds / Herts
> area seem to have either moved or are working away, there must be something
> in the water...
Yes, it's called 'the rate race' I believe :-)
> How are you coping with the language ?! :~)
Eeyoop, naye te bad laddy.
> Glad to hear things are going well.
Cheers, and how's yourself?
Andy Hewitt
> Andy Hewitt wrote:
> > Good to hear from you again. I'm now up in Durham, and working in 'The
> > Toon'. It's much better up here for sure.
>
> Ah, Durham. A very nice part of the world, and I've had an enjoyable 3
> years here. But it's somebody else's turn for the fun!
>
> Much nicer place than darn sarf.
Indeed it is.
...Jerry...
> ...Jerry... <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
<snipped>
>
> > How are you coping with the language ?! :~)
>
> Eeyoop, naye te bad laddy.
I never had a problem when we used to visit up that way, dad used to act as
interpreter between us and the relatives !....
>
> > Glad to hear things are going well.
>
> Cheers, and how's yourself?
>
Can't complain to much.
Andy Hewitt
> "Andy Hewitt" <hairy...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:1gg25ah.1pd8bq014ea5phN%hairy...@spamcop.net...
> > ...Jerry... <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> <snipped>
> >
> > > How are you coping with the language ?! :~)
> >
> > Eeyoop, naye te bad laddy.
>
> I never had a problem when we used to visit up that way, dad used to act as
> interpreter between us and the relatives !....
LOL, yes, although I sometimes find it more the other way around :-)
> >
> > > Glad to hear things are going well.
> >
> > Cheers, and how's yourself?
> >
>
> Can't complain to much.
Good stuff.
Road_Hog
> Road_Hog <NoS...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>
> > Messages still running at 6-12 hours behind posting times. Any other
Plusnet
> > customers getting their messages on time? Newsgroups are so slooooow,
makes
> > dial up on FreeUK look like lightening.
> >
> > They've been talking about getting this sorted out for weeks now. I hope
I
> > can be as slow and patchy with my direct debit payment?
>
> No, it's not even connecting properly here today. However, it was only a
> test as I normally use new.individual.net anyway.
Okay, looking for recommendations for a reliable service on a 1Mb or 2Mb
connection, preferably on a monthly charge.
All comments welcomed.
Note, this posting will appear about 12 hours after I have sent it, if you
are using Plusnet for Usenet.
Andy Hewitt
<Snipped Text>
> > No, it's not even connecting properly here today. However, it was only a
> > test as I normally use new.individual.net anyway.
>
> Okay, looking for recommendations for a reliable service on a 1Mb or 2Mb
> connection, preferably on a monthly charge.
>
> All comments welcomed.
>
> Note, this posting will appear about 12 hours after I have sent it, if you
> are using Plusnet for Usenet.
Well, here's the rub, you *might* have to look at text only, in which
case go to www.individual.net and get a free account. If you want
binaries you may be out of luck as I found when trying to use Teranews.
Plusnet do block attempts to obtain binary news feeds.
OTOH if you have a full blast broadband package you might be OK.
Old Codger
>
> Well, here's the rub, you *might* have to look at text only, in which
> case go to www.individual.net and get a free account. If you want
> binaries you may be out of luck as I found when trying to use
> Teranews. Plusnet do block attempts to obtain binary news feeds.
Only for accounts that are specifically restricted and stated as such. I
think this applies to just two accounts.
> OTOH if you have a full blast broadband package you might be OK.
I think all the currently advertised accounts allow binary news feeds, P2P,
etc. The cheaper ones are restricted by having download limits so may not
be appropriate for significant binary downloads but that is different to
actually blocking those services.
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Andy Hewitt
> "Andy Hewitt" <hairy...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:1gg3ulc.1dno5ej1j7fkr0N%hairy...@spamcop.net
> >
> > Well, here's the rub, you *might* have to look at text only, in which
> > case go to www.individual.net and get a free account. If you want
> > binaries you may be out of luck as I found when trying to use
> > Teranews. Plusnet do block attempts to obtain binary news feeds.
>
> Only for accounts that are specifically restricted and stated as such. I
> think this applies to just two accounts.
Yes, one I'm on.
> > OTOH if you have a full blast broadband package you might be OK.
>
> I think all the currently advertised accounts allow binary news feeds, P2P,
> etc. The cheaper ones are restricted by having download limits so may not
> be appropriate for significant binary downloads but that is different to
> actually blocking those services.
No, they actually block binary news feeds.
King Queen
Hewitt) wrote:
>Plusnet do block attempts to obtain binary news feeds.
WHAT??? That's insane!
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Phil Light
> Old Codger <Oldc...@anyoldwhere.net> wrote:
>
>> I think all the currently advertised accounts allow binary news feeds,
>> P2P,
>> etc. The cheaper ones are restricted by having download limits so may
>> not
>> be appropriate for significant binary downloads but that is different to
>> actually blocking those services.
>
> No, they actually block binary news feeds.
That's why he said 'all *currently advertised* accounts'. None of the
accounts available for new users block binary feeds - only the old HomeSurf
and BizSurf accounts.
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Phil Light
news:i6v0e0tqlgagbimmk...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:24:38 +0100, hairy...@spamcop.net (Andy
> Hewitt) wrote:
>
>>Plusnet do block attempts to obtain binary news feeds.
>
> WHAT??? That's insane!
Only on the accounts that are £3/month cheaper due to this very restriction
(along with no p2p)!
Phil
Old Codger
> Hewitt) wrote:
>
>> Plusnet do block attempts to obtain binary news feeds.
>
> WHAT??? That's insane!
Hi ex RHAer are you, like me, waiting for the promised return? :-)
As Phil said, on only two accounts that are cheaper for that reason, and it
is clear from the account info that was available before signup that there
is no access to binary groups and no P2P on those accounts.
None of the currently advertised ADSL accounts have this restriction. The
cheaper accounts now have a monthly download limit so, within that, you can
do what you like.
Andy Hewitt
Andy Hewitt
Andy Hewitt
> "King Queen" <kq.larts...@kingqueen.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:i6v0e0tqlgagbimmk...@4ax.com
> > On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:24:38 +0100, hairy...@spamcop.net (Andy
> > Hewitt) wrote:
> >
> >> Plusnet do block attempts to obtain binary news feeds.
> >
> > WHAT??? That's insane!
>
> Hi ex RHAer are you, like me, waiting for the promised return? :-)
>
> As Phil said, on only two accounts that are cheaper for that reason, and it
> is clear from the account info that was available before signup that there
> is no access to binary groups and no P2P on those accounts.
That is correct, although it wasn't clear that paying for another
service would be blocked.
Let's face it, with the current state of their news server, it is
reasonable to cut the price of my service and choose another news feed.
Old Codger
> Old Codger <Oldc...@anyoldwhere.net> wrote:
>
>> "King Queen" <kq.larts...@kingqueen.org.uk> wrote in message
>> news:i6v0e0tqlgagbimmk...@4ax.com
>>> On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:24:38 +0100, hairy...@spamcop.net (Andy
>>> Hewitt) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Plusnet do block attempts to obtain binary news feeds.
>>>
>>> WHAT??? That's insane!
>>
>> Hi ex RHAer are you, like me, waiting for the promised return? :-)
>>
>> As Phil said, on only two accounts that are cheaper for that reason,
>> and it is clear from the account info that was available before
>> signup that there is no access to binary groups and no P2P on those
>> accounts.
>
> That is correct, although it wasn't clear that paying for another
> service would be blocked.
What is unclear about "no access to binary groups and no P2P "
> Let's face it, with the current state of their news server, it is
> reasonable to cut the price of my service and choose another news
> feed.
Indeed.
Andy Hewitt
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> > That is correct, although it wasn't clear that paying for another
> > service would be blocked.
>
> What is unclear about "no access to binary groups and no P2P "
My assumption was that this was from their own servers. Perhaps a bad
implication on their part?
> > Let's face it, with the current state of their news server, it is
> > reasonable to cut the price of my service and choose another news
> > feed.
>
> Indeed.
Or Email, as that has now failed tonight, yet again.
Having read all the initial reviews about PlusNet, I am now beginning to
have my doubts as to me choice.
King Queen
<Oldc...@anyoldwhere.net> wrote:
>> WHAT??? That's insane!
>
>Hi ex RHAer are you, like me, waiting for the promised return? :-)
How did you guess? I seem to be a bit of a jinx for ISPs - from
RedHotAnt I went to VCISP (resold by the Register) which went bust and
kept taking money for months afterwards despite many letters (recorded
etc.)!
>As Phil said, on only two accounts that are cheaper for that reason, and it
>is clear from the account info that was available before signup that there
>is no access to binary groups and no P2P on those accounts.
ah well, that's fair enough then, the OP didn't make that clear.
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Old Codger
> Old Codger <Oldc...@anyoldwhere.net> wrote:
>
> <Snipped Text>
>>> That is correct, although it wasn't clear that paying for another
>>> service would be blocked.
>>
>> What is unclear about "no access to binary groups and no P2P "
>
> My assumption was that this was from their own servers. Perhaps a bad
> implication on their part?
No P2P should have given you the clue that all services that might use
significant bandwidth were barred.
>>> Let's face it, with the current state of their news server, it is
>>> reasonable to cut the price of my service and choose another news
>>> feed.
>>
>> Indeed.
>
> Or Email, as that has now failed tonight, yet again.
>
> Having read all the initial reviews about PlusNet, I am now beginning
> to have my doubts as to me choice.
Give them time, once they have finished upgrading all the "peripheral"
services that have been left until it is almost/very much too late they will
be fine, until it is time to start the upgrades again.
Old Codger
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:39:54 +0100, "Old Codger"
> <Oldc...@anyoldwhere.net> wrote:
>
>>> WHAT??? That's insane!
>>
>> Hi ex RHAer are you, like me, waiting for the promised return? :-)
>
> How did you guess?
All the others seem to be eagerly awaiting their return so I guessed you
would be also. :-)
> I seem to be a bit of a jinx for ISPs - from
> RedHotAnt I went to VCISP (resold by the Register) which went bust and
> kept taking money for months afterwards despite many letters (recorded
> etc.)!
I was wary after RHA and avoided the cheap offers. Went with BT whilst I
surveyed the landscape. Eventually settled for Plusnet FRIACO then BB when
it became available to me. On the whole they have been good but there is a
bad patch pattern. A service begins to go downhill and the complaints
start. When it looks like becoming a significant problem Plusnet announce
that they will do something. When it actually is a significant problem
Plusnet do do something, usually before that something is ready. Further
problems then ensue that can last for days, or weeks in the case of the
current usenet problem, Once sorted it is usually fine for some time but,
of course, some other service then starts to be a problem and so it goes on.
>> As Phil said, on only two accounts that are cheaper for that reason,
>> and it is clear from the account info that was available before
>> signup that there is no access to binary groups and no P2P on those
>> accounts.
>
> ah well, that's fair enough then, the OP didn't make that clear.
Don't think the OP could have read the account details properly before
signing up.
Andy Hewitt
<Snipped Text>
> > My assumption was that this was from their own servers. Perhaps a bad
> > implication on their part?
>
> No P2P should have given you the clue that all services that might use
> significant bandwidth were barred.
Yes, poor T&C IMHO, they should be explicit rather than implied.
<Snipped Text>
> > Having read all the initial reviews about PlusNet, I am now beginning
> > to have my doubts as to me choice.
>
> Give them time, once they have finished upgrading all the "peripheral"
> services that have been left until it is almost/very much too late they will
> be fine, until it is time to start the upgrades again.
Yes, what goes around, comes around. I was with NTL for quite some time,
they were pants at one time, but actually got pretty good for a while.
poster
>Yes, poor T&C IMHO, they should be explicit rather than implied.
I think the account name might have given a clue - Home Surf - and the
underlying and presumably non-obvious implication was a lower traffic
expectation by blocking binaries and peer-to-peer applications. PGM
Andy Hewitt
> On 29 Jun 2004, hairy...@spamcop.net (Andy Hewitt) wrote:
>
> >Yes, poor T&C IMHO, they should be explicit rather than implied.
>
> I think the account name might have given a clue - Home Surf
Why? You could call it what you like.
> - and the
> underlying and presumably non-obvious implication was a lower traffic
> expectation by blocking binaries and peer-to-peer applications. PGM
No, the fact that binaries and peer to peer were not available to me was
clearly included in the T&C. It was not clear that I couldn't subscribe
to an external service.
FWIW, I *can* use Limewire without a problem, and BitTorrent works as
well. Neither of which should.
However, when I was attempting to subscribe to an alternative news
server, which wasn't free, it got blocked. I wouldn't mind at all if
their own server works, but why would I want to even consider paying
extra to use the binaries on the PlusNet server when it doesn't actually
work properly?
It's not even that I use binaries much at all anyway, I am of the view
that binaries don't belong on usenet anyway.
poster
>It was not clear that I couldn't subscribe to an external service.
with hindsight, and it might seem rude of me, but did you ask PlusNet ?
>FWIW, I *can* use Limewire without a problem, and BitTorrent works as
>well. Neither of which should.
>
> when I was attempting to subscribe to an alternative news server,
> which wasn't free, it got blocked. I wouldn't mind at all if their
> own server works, but ...
I have a feeling of 'deja vu' but it is late, so here goes again - you
see it as a surcharge to use the PlusNet news server, I see it as you
having a discount to be a low(er) traffic user. Pulling news from a
separate service outside PlusNet bumps up their traffic level (OK, it
is under 0.1% at a guess :-) but they seemed to market Home Surf for a
user who would not need binaries and not use peer-to-peer. While I can
agree their own server was poor on completion for binaries for the past
umpteen months (if not for all time), they would respond to that with a
suggestion that one use a commercial service. As you may know, the aim
now is to be on a par with any other UK ISP for news, and I suspect it
is not far off becoming the truth. I'm planning to open another Clara
account so I will be able to see how the two compare, and perhaps get
fills from Clara if I find parts missing. Peter M.
Andy Hewitt
> On 2 Jul 2004 in uk.telecom.broadband, Andy Hewitt wrote:
>
> >It was not clear that I couldn't subscribe to an external service.
>
> with hindsight, and it might seem rude of me, but did you ask PlusNet ?
>
> >FWIW, I *can* use Limewire without a problem, and BitTorrent works as
> >well. Neither of which should.
> >
> > when I was attempting to subscribe to an alternative news server,
> > which wasn't free, it got blocked. I wouldn't mind at all if their
> > own server works, but ...
>
> I have a feeling of 'deja vu' but it is late, so here goes again - you
> see it as a surcharge to use the PlusNet news server, I see it as you
> having a discount to be a low(er) traffic user.
Er no. I chose to have a service that doesn't supply me with binary
newsgroups or P2P, which is fine. As far as I'm aware all the other
services are still available to me.
> Pulling news from a
> separate service outside PlusNet bumps up their traffic level (OK, it
> is under 0.1% at a guess :-) but they seemed to market Home Surf for a
> user who would not need binaries and not use peer-to-peer.
Correct, but I don't have any limitation to my other downloads.
> While I can
> agree their own server was poor on completion for binaries for the past
> umpteen months (if not for all time), they would respond to that with a
> suggestion that one use a commercial service.
Yup, that is what I was wanting to do, although I don't want binaries in
particular.
> As you may know, the aim
> now is to be on a par with any other UK ISP for news, and I suspect it
> is not far off becoming the truth. I'm planning to open another Clara
> account so I will be able to see how the two compare, and perhaps get
> fills from Clara if I find parts missing. Peter M.
Quite possibly, although my only experience is with NTL:, which isn't
much comparison.