Good router/moden for use in "crowded" wifi environment?

[Tim+]

My mother recent bought an iPad but has been frustrated by its inability to
maintain a wifi connection for more than a couple of minutes at a time in
her Glasgow tennement flat.

I've brought it back to my house and it works just fine on my network. In
her flats, it can usually "see" two or three networks and when I had a
fiddle with "inssider" on her laptop, I could pick up 23 different wifi
networks.

I've tried a spot of "channel hopping", picking ones that are furthest away
from the strongest signals (it's impossible to avoid them all) but it's made
no difference. Her current router/modem is a freebie from Talktalk, one of
the "picture frame" ones like this.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HUAWEI-EchoLife-HG520b-Broadband-Wireless-G-ADSL2-Router-/181007538400?pt=UK_Computing_Wireless_Routers&hash=item2a24e3d8e0

It worked better in the back of the house (presumably further from
interference) but unfortunately, its range is insufficient to reach the
front room where she would like to use the ipad.

Are there any routers that I could be reasonably sure would work better in
this environment?

I did wonder about adding a WAP to her system but even when close to the
router, the ipad seems unable to maintain a steady connection.

Tim

[Andy Burns]

Tim+ wrote:

> Are there any routers that I could be reasonably sure would work better in
> this environment?

It may not be the "crowded" Wifi causing the problem, it might be the
iPad, in the past (maybe still) they had issues with DHCP leases, if she
only uses it in the home, try a static IP address.

[Peter Boulding]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:14:31 +0000, Andy Burns
<usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote in
<G9mdnRm4YPK4iwzN...@brightview.co.uk>:

It might also be worth considering those devices that carry a LAN via the
mains electricity supply. I'm told they work well nowadays so long as you
plug them directly into the mains (rather than a multi-socket extension
lead).
(<http://www.techradar.com/news/networking/powerline-networking-what-you-need-to-know-930691>)

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[Andy Burns]

Peter Boulding wrote:

> Tim+ wrote:
>
>> Are there any routers that I could be reasonably sure would work better in
>> this environment?
>

> It might also be worth considering those devices that carry a LAN via the
> mains electricity supply.

How does that help an iPad?

[Peter Boulding]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:29:47 +0000, Andy Burns
<usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote in
<tvGdnZmZ9IQlhAzN...@brightview.co.uk>:

If you can't connect it via a LAN cable in the required room (Can you? I
have no interest in Apple devices) you can attach your wireless router to
the said device--again within the required room. Sounds kludgy, but from
what I've read it works.

[Dave Saville]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:40:28 UTC, Peter Boulding
<pjbn...@UNSPAMpboulding.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:29:47 +0000, Andy Burns
> <usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote in
> <tvGdnZmZ9IQlhAzN...@brightview.co.uk>:
>
> >Peter Boulding wrote:
> >
> >> Tim+ wrote:
> >>
> >>> Are there any routers that I could be reasonably sure would work better in
> >>> this environment?
> >>
> >> It might also be worth considering those devices that carry a LAN via the
> >> mains electricity supply.
> >
> >How does that help an iPad?
>
> If you can't connect it via a LAN cable in the required room (Can you? I
> have no interest in Apple devices) you can attach your wireless router to
> the said device--again within the required room. Sounds kludgy, but from
> what I've read it works.
>

Develo do a kit of one ethernet to mains plug and one mains to
ethernet/WIFI - But it aint cheap.

--
Regards
Dave Saville

[Stephen Wolstenholme]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 11:59:11 -0000, "Tim+"
<timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>Are there any routers that I could be reasonably sure would work better in
>this environment?

After using many routers I have finished up with a BT Home Hub 3. It
works wirelessly from any place in the house and outside the house for
a few metres.

Steve

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[Roderick Stewart]

In article <k6r49u$bfa$1...@dont-email.me>, Tim+ wrote:
> My mother recent bought an iPad but has been frustrated by its inability to
> maintain a wifi connection for more than a couple of minutes at a time in
> her Glasgow tennement flat.
>
> I've brought it back to my house and it works just fine on my network. In
> her flats, it can usually "see" two or three networks and when I had a
> fiddle with "inssider" on her laptop, I could pick up 23 different wifi
> networks.
>
> I've tried a spot of "channel hopping", picking ones that are furthest away
> from the strongest signals (it's impossible to avoid them all) but it's made
> no difference. Her current router/modem is a freebie from Talktalk, one of
> the "picture frame" ones like this.
>
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HUAWEI-EchoLife-HG520b-Broadband-Wireless-G-ADSL2
-Router-/181007538400?pt=UK_Computing_Wireless_Routers&hash=item2a24e3d8e0

This device is described as Wireless-g. Maybe yours is Wireless-n? That might
explain why it works better.

You could replace your mother's entire modem/router, making sure the
replacement has wireless-n, or just switch off its wireless function and add a
wireless-n access point. Either should work.

If practicable, some experimenting with the physical location of the wireless
device (whichever you opt for) may also help.

Rod.
--

[Richard Tobin]

In article <k6r49u$bfa$1...@dont-email.me>,

Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>Are there any routers that I could be reasonably sure would work better in
>this environment?

Well, you want one with 802.11n rather than just 11g (which is all her
current one has), and I think almost all current routers have 11n. It
might also work better to get one that can use the 5GHz band, which is
usually much less crowded - assuming the iPad can handle that.

-- Richard

[Andy Burns]

Peter Boulding wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> How does that help an iPad?
>
> If you can't connect it via a LAN cable in the required room (Can you? I
> have no interest in Apple devices) you can attach your wireless router to
> the said device--again within the required room.

But iPads don't have Ethernet ports and the O/P said having the iPad
near to an Access Point didn't help.

[The Natural Philosopher]

if you plug an I-pad into the mains all your problems with Apple I-bling
are solved, apart from where to throw the smokin' carcase.


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members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

[Tim+]

Thanks, I'll try that. Are there other causes of interference that I ought
to be checking out though (in case that doesn't work)?

Tim

[Peter Boulding]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:20:55 +0000, Andy Burns
<usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote in
<NpednbWR7YcpuAzN...@brightview.co.uk>:

>>> How does that help an iPad?
>>
>> If you can't connect it via a LAN cable in the required room (Can you? I
>> have no interest in Apple devices) you can attach your wireless router to
>> the said device--again within the required room.
>
>But iPads don't have Ethernet ports and the O/P said having the iPad
>near to an Access Point didn't help.

Oh. Right. I would hereby withdraw my advice were it not for The Natural
Philosopher's valuable addendum.

[Graham J]

This is the fundamental problem with wirelesss - it's fine until several
other people want to share the same spectrum.

Ditch the Apple device and get one that connects via Ethernet ...

--
Graham J

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 31/10/12 14:21, Peter Boulding wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:20:55 +0000, Andy Burns
> <usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote in
> <NpednbWR7YcpuAzN...@brightview.co.uk>:
>
>>>> How does that help an iPad?
>>>
>>> If you can't connect it via a LAN cable in the required room (Can you? I
>>> have no interest in Apple devices) you can attach your wireless router to
>>> the said device--again within the required room.
>>
>> But iPads don't have Ethernet ports and the O/P said having the iPad
>> near to an Access Point didn't help.
>
> Oh. Right. I would hereby withdraw my advice were it not for The Natural
> Philosopher's valuable addendum.
>

:-)

[George Weston]

Well, my D-Link wireless router is 11g and it works perfectly well with
my wife's iPad.
My ISP uses dynamic IPs, and that's not a problem either.
I suspect the cheapo TalkTalk router.

George

[Tim+]

Graham J <graham@invalid> wrote:
> Tim+ wrote:
>> My mother recent bought an iPad but has been frustrated by its inability to
>> maintain a wifi connection for more than a couple of minutes at a time in
>> her Glasgow tennement flat.
>

> This is the fundamental problem with wirelesss - it's fine until several
> other people want to share the same spectrum.
>
> Ditch the Apple device and get one that connects via Ethernet ...

Wanker. Did you miss the part about it being my mother's iPad? I take it
you've never used one?

Tim

[Tim+]

The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 31/10/12 14:21, Peter Boulding wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:20:55 +0000, Andy Burns
>> <usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote in
>> <NpednbWR7YcpuAzN...@brightview.co.uk>:
>>
>>>>> How does that help an iPad?
>>>>
>>>> If you can't connect it via a LAN cable in the required room (Can you? I
>>>> have no interest in Apple devices) you can attach your wireless router to
>>>> the said device--again within the required room.
>>>
>>> But iPads don't have Ethernet ports and the O/P said having the iPad
>>> near to an Access Point didn't help.
>>
>> Oh. Right. I would hereby withdraw my advice were it not for The Natural
>> Philosopher's valuable addendum.
>>
> :-)

Another man who I suspect has never used one.

Tim

[Graham J]

Yes, I've used one.

But the fundamental problem still remains that the concept of WiFi is
flawed.

As you noted, it works fine where there is little or no interference
from other WiFi devices. Where there is interference, either from other
WiFi devices or indeed other products - microwave ovens or the like -
then the connection reliability will suffer.

You may be able to make short-term improvements by using a better
wireless access point, relocating the wireless access point to somewhere
nearer the place where the iPad would normally be used (i.e. separating
the wireless access device from the ADSL modem/router and connecting
them together via Ethernet cable), or using different frequencies (5GHz
rather than the more widely used 2.4 GHz).

When you come to replace your mother's iPad it is to be hoped that the
current market products will allow Ethernet connection.

--
Graham J

[The Natural Philosopher]

You mean they have a use?

I thought they were just fashion accessories.

Actually I did handle one. It seemed to be a sort of digital photo
album. Boring. The great thing about paper photos is they get thrown away.

Still you can throw the whole Me-Thing away as well.


> Tim

[Tim+]

The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 31/10/12 19:42, Tim+ wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 31/10/12 14:21, Peter Boulding wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:20:55 +0000, Andy Burns
>>>> <usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote in
>>>> <NpednbWR7YcpuAzN...@brightview.co.uk>:
>>>>
>>>>>>> How does that help an iPad?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you can't connect it via a LAN cable in the required room (Can you? I
>>>>>> have no interest in Apple devices) you can attach your wireless router to
>>>>>> the said device--again within the required room.
>>>>>
>>>>> But iPads don't have Ethernet ports and the O/P said having the iPad
>>>>> near to an Access Point didn't help.
>>>>
>>>> Oh. Right. I would hereby withdraw my advice were it not for The Natural
>>>> Philosopher's valuable addendum.
>>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>>
>> Another man who I suspect has never used one.
>>
>
> You mean they have a use?
>
> I thought they were just fashion accessories.
>
> Actually I did handle one. It seemed to be a sort of digital photo album. Boring.

You're right, it's just a photo album.... to someone with very little
imagination or experience.

I use mine to read national and world news in bed in the morning.

I use mine to read and post usenet messages and emails.

I use mine for reading 99% of the web content that I want to access.

I use mine to watch live UK television when abroad (and sometimes at home
too).

I use mine to access iPlayer (and sometimes display it on my TV).

I use mine to identify objects in the night sky using an augmented reality
app.

I use mine in the kitchen to access on-line and downloaded recipes.

I use mine as a Chambers dictionary using a downloaded app (which is much
better than the on-line Chambers dictionary.

I use mine to beat my friends around the country at Scrabble.

Etc., etc., etc..

Basically, it's use can be as broad or as narrow as your imagination (or
prejudices). Your experience (and imagination) would seem to be way too
narrow to qualify you to offer any opinion on the iPad.

Tim

[George Weston]

You summed that up pretty well. It equates with my wife's usage of her iPad.
However, for anything other than the above, it's pretty useless, as I
know when I'm being elbowed off my desktop machine when she needs to
write letters, access the family accounts spreadsheet, use internet
sites that use Flash, use the "proper" version of Google Earth, or, in
fact anything that requires the use of Office 2010, a good web browser
or decent printing facilities.
The iPad is fun, portable and very useful up to a point but like all
Apple devices, it will only let you do what Apple decides it will let
you do, which can be very annoying at times.

George

[Peter Boulding]

On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 11:28:00 +0000, George Weston
<geow...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in <aff4lp...@mid.individual.net>:

>You summed that up pretty well. It equates with my wife's usage of her iPad.
>However, for anything other than the above, it's pretty useless, as I
>know when I'm being elbowed off my desktop machine when she needs to
>write letters, access the family accounts spreadsheet, use internet
>sites that use Flash, use the "proper" version of Google Earth, or, in
>fact anything that requires the use of Office 2010, a good web browser
>or decent printing facilities.
>The iPad is fun, portable and very useful up to a point but like all
>Apple devices, it will only let you do what Apple decides it will let
>you do, which can be very annoying at times.

But it's *cool*.

[The Natural Philosopher]

I cant afford to go abroad.

>
> I use mine to access iPlayer (and sometimes display it on my TV).
>

> I use mine to identify objects in the night sky using an augmented reality
> app.
>

I do that all in my nice warm office on this machine sitting in a
comfortable chair.

> I use mine in the kitchen to access on-line and downloaded recipes.
>

I have a printer to print those out and take into the kitchen where
spilling vinegar on them is not a disaster.

> I use mine as a Chambers dictionary using a downloaded app (which is much
> better than the on-line Chambers dictionary.
>

I do that in the office.

> I use mine to beat my friends around the country at Scrabble.
>
> Etc., etc., etc..
>
> Basically, it's use can be as broad or as narrow as your imagination (or
> prejudices). Your experience (and imagination) would seem to be way too
> narrow to qualify you to offer any opinion on the iPad.
>

In short its just another internetted computer at twice the price, in
both hardware and bandwidth terms, half the screen real estate or less,
and fewer applications, that is only useful if you aren't at home and
cant be arsed to take a dirt cheap laptop you can get in the recycle
shop for less than 100.

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 01/11/12 15:39, Peter Boulding wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 11:28:00 +0000, George Weston
> <geow...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in <aff4lp...@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> You summed that up pretty well. It equates with my wife's usage of her iPad.
>> However, for anything other than the above, it's pretty useless, as I
>> know when I'm being elbowed off my desktop machine when she needs to
>> write letters, access the family accounts spreadsheet, use internet
>> sites that use Flash, use the "proper" version of Google Earth, or, in
>> fact anything that requires the use of Office 2010, a good web browser
>> or decent printing facilities.
>> The iPad is fun, portable and very useful up to a point but like all
>> Apple devices, it will only let you do what Apple decides it will let
>> you do, which can be very annoying at times.
>
> But it's *cool*.
>
>

So is a refrigerator, and you can keep beer in that...

[alexd]

Tim+ (for it is he) wrote:

> Are there other causes of interference that I ought to be checking out
> though (in case that doesn't work)?

Anything else that uses 2.4GHz, eg Bluetooth [probably not, quite narrow-
band compared to wifi], some wireless CCTV cameras or a leaky microwave.
Congestion on 2.4GHz is more likely, but if that were the case then it
wouldn't just be the one device that's affected. If it really is congested
then 5GHz is the way to go, as there are far more channels available.

If you can't maintain a signal next to the AP then I would guess that either
the AP is faulty or there is some kind of incompatibility between the two.
Trying another AP is probably worthwhile.

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[Tim+]

Irrelevant

>
>>
>> I use mine to access iPlayer (and sometimes display it on my TV).
>>
>
>> I use mine to identify objects in the night sky using an augmented reality
>> app.
>>
>
> I do that all in my nice warm office on this machine sitting in a comfortable chair.

Good view of the sky overhead from your office? And I'm impressed that
your office PC has a built in compass, GPS and a camera so that it can
create an overlay on your monitor as you hold it up to the sky.

>
>> I use mine in the kitchen to access on-line and downloaded recipes.
>>
>
> I have a printer to print those out and take into the kitchen where
> spilling vinegar on them is not a disaster.

I'm not clumsy. Even if I were, the touch screen protects it from most
fluid damage.

>
>> I use mine as a Chambers dictionary using a downloaded app (which is much
>> better than the on-line Chambers dictionary.
>>
> I do that in the office.

I take it you only do crosswords in the office then (or spend time running
back and forth)?

>
>> I use mine to beat my friends around the country at Scrabble.
>>
>> Etc., etc., etc..
>>
>> Basically, it's use can be as broad or as narrow as your imagination (or
>> prejudices). Your experience (and imagination) would seem to be way too
>> narrow to qualify you to offer any opinion on the iPad.
>>
>
> In short its just another internetted computer at twice the price, in
> both hardware and bandwidth terms, half the screen real estate or less,
> and fewer applications, that is only useful if you aren't at home and
> cant be arsed to take a dirt cheap laptop you can get in the recycle
> shop for less than 100.

I'm not sure whether you're stupid or just playing stupid. I suspect the
latter but it's *way* better than a laptop for all the activities I've
mentioned plus many more.

Trying to constantly compare it with a PC or a laptop is totally missing
the point. They both have their strengths and weaknesses and the iPad is a
third type of device that has it's strengths and weaknesses.

Stop trying to pigeonhole it as a PC or laptop substitute as it's neither
and you're only showing your ignorance by making the comparison.

A bit like declaring an orange is "better" than a banana and that an apple
is just a poor orange or a poor banana. An inane comparison.

Tim

[DrTeeth]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 11:59:11 -0000, just as I was about to take a
herb, "Tim+" <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> disturbed my

reverie and wrote:

>I did wonder about adding a WAP to her system but even when close to the
>router, the ipad seems unable to maintain a steady connection.

Sounds like another brilliant bit of Apple kit. It does not sound like
the issue can be fixed by increasing the signal strength of finding a
clear channel.
--

Cheers

DrT
______________________________
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our lives; but we can always choose whether or not
to dance in the puddles (Jewish proverb).

[DrTeeth]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:42:06 +0000, just as I was about to take a

herb, Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> disturbed my
reverie and wrote:

>Another man who I suspect has never used one.

People are trying to help you here in their free time out of the
goodness of their hearts. You could at least tone it down a bit.

[DrTeeth]

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:00:07 +0000 (UTC), just as I was about to take a
herb, Tim+ <timdow...@yahoo.co.uk> disturbed my reverie and wrote:

>I'm not sure whether you're stupid or just playing stupid.

It's just fun baiting an Apple fan boy (the attributes you say it has
applies to many other bits of kit) who is being ungrateful for help.
Did you notice how the tone of the thread changed when yours did?

[DrTeeth]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:08:25 +0000, just as I was about to take a
herb, Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> disturbed my

reverie and wrote:

>Are there other causes of interference that I ought
>to be checking out though (in case that doesn't work)?

If you are talking about RF interference, I doubt it would as you
have already tried it next to the router.

I just searched for "ipad not maintaining wifi connection" and got
many hits that could be helpful. This
http://www.ehow.com/facts_7772073_ipad-losing-its-wifi-connection.html
is a fairly generic list. I don't know if you have tried this but I
popped it here in case you hadn't.

Good luck

[DrTeeth]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:27:46 +0000, just as I was about to take a
herb, Graham J <graham@invalid> disturbed my reverie and wrote:

>This is the fundamental problem with wirelesss - it's fine until several
>other people want to share the same spectrum.

The OP has said that he has used the ipad next to the router so that
would drown out any other causes of RFI AND would enable an otherwise
crowded channel usable.

[Tim+]

DrTeeth wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:00:07 +0000 (UTC), just as I was about to take a
> herb, Tim+ <timdow...@yahoo.co.uk> disturbed my reverie and wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure whether you're stupid or just playing stupid.
> It's just fun baiting an Apple fan boy (the attributes you say it has
> applies to many other bits of kit) who is being ungrateful for help.
> Did you notice how the tone of the thread changed when yours did?

DrTeeth wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:00:07 +0000 (UTC), just as I was about to take a
> herb, Tim+ <timdow...@yahoo.co.uk> disturbed my reverie and wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure whether you're stupid or just playing stupid.
> It's just fun baiting an Apple fan boy (the attributes you say it has
> applies to many other bits of kit) who is being ungrateful for help.

Really?

So you think this was good and helpful advice?

Graham J <graham@invalid> wrote:
> Tim+ wrote:
>> My mother recent bought an iPad but has been frustrated by its inability
>> to
>> maintain a wifi connection for more than a couple of minutes at a time in
>> her Glasgow tennement flat.
>

> This is the fundamental problem with wirelesss - it's fine until several
> other people want to share the same spectrum.
>

> Ditch the Apple device and get one that connects via Ethernet ...

And this?

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 31/10/12 12:29, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Peter Boulding wrote:
>>

>>> Tim+ wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are there any routers that I could be reasonably sure would work
>>>> better in
>>>> this environment?
>>>

>>> It might also be worth considering those devices that carry a LAN
>>> via the mains electricity supply.
>>

>> How does that help an iPad?
>>

> if you plug an I-pad into the mains all your problems with Apple
> I-bling are solved, apart from where to throw the smokin' carcase.

I'm grateful for genuine help. Those responses were clearly from folk
displaying childish knee jerk reactions to any thread where an Apple product
is mentioned.

> Did you notice how the tone of the thread changed when yours did?

My tone only changed to those posters. I don't see why you
feel the need to defend them.

Tim

[Tim+]

DrTeeth wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:42:06 +0000, just as I was about to take a
> herb, Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> disturbed my
> reverie and wrote:
>
>> Another man who I suspect has never used one.
> People are trying to help you here in their free time out of the
> goodness of their hearts. You could at least tone it down a bit.

Perhaps you ought to re-read the "good" advice they were offering?

Tim

[Tim+]

DrTeeth wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:08:25 +0000, just as I was about to take a
> herb, Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> disturbed my
> reverie and wrote:
>
>> Are there other causes of interference that I ought
>> to be checking out though (in case that doesn't work)?
> If you are talking about RF interference, I doubt it would as you
> have already tried it next to the router.
>
> I just searched for "ipad not maintaining wifi connection" and got
> many hits that could be helpful. This
> http://www.ehow.com/facts_7772073_ipad-losing-its-wifi-connection.html
> is a fairly generic list. I don't know if you have tried this but I
> popped it here in case you hadn't.

Well what I have found *does" work is to bring the iPad to my house where it
performs flawlessly. I stongly suspect that the Talktalk router is the root
of the problem.

I'm going to try it on a static IP setting first of all though when I take
it back as suggested by another poster but if that doesn't work the talktalk
router will get the heave-ho and be replaced with something a bit more up to
date.

Tim
>
> Good luck

[Tim+]

DrTeeth wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 11:59:11 -0000, just as I was about to take a
> herb, "Tim+" <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> disturbed my
> reverie and wrote:
>
>> I did wonder about adding a WAP to her system but even when close to
>> the router, the ipad seems unable to maintain a steady connection.
>
> Sounds like another brilliant bit of Apple kit. It does not sound like
> the issue can be fixed by increasing the signal strength of finding a
> clear channel.

Not with the existing router but maybe adding a wireless-n access point
might do the job.

Tim

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 04/11/12 19:55, Tim+ wrote:

>> if you plug an I-pad into the mains all your problems with Apple
>> I-bling are solved, apart from where to throw the smokin' carcase.
>
> I'm grateful for genuine help. Those responses were clearly from folk
> displaying childish knee jerk reactions to any thread where an Apple
> product
> is mentioned.
>

No juts conducting a survey that demonstrates clearly that people who
like Apple kit are humourless dweebs

>> Did you notice how the tone of the thread changed when yours did?
>
> My tone only changed to those posters. I don't see why you
> feel the need to defend them.
>

Oooh Hoity Toity!

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 04/11/12 20:00, Tim+ wrote:
> DrTeeth wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:08:25 +0000, just as I was about to take a
>> herb, Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> disturbed my
>> reverie and wrote:
>>
>>> Are there other causes of interference that I ought
>>> to be checking out though (in case that doesn't work)?
>> If you are talking about RF interference, I doubt it would as you
>> have already tried it next to the router.
>>
>> I just searched for "ipad not maintaining wifi connection" and got
>> many hits that could be helpful. This
>> http://www.ehow.com/facts_7772073_ipad-losing-its-wifi-connection.html
>> is a fairly generic list. I don't know if you have tried this but I
>> popped it here in case you hadn't.
>
> Well what I have found *does" work is to bring the iPad to my house
> where it performs flawlessly. I stongly suspect that the Talktalk
> router is the root of the problem.
>

Well that's what a humourless dweeb WOULD think. It couldn't POSSIBLY be
that apple cant make a decent Wifi interface that can deal with
congested RF space.

Cos that would mean - ahem- that you got suckered into buying a bit of
superficially attractive I-Bling that isn't fit for purpose, at twice
the price its worth....

> I'm going to try it on a static IP setting first of all though when I
> take it back as suggested by another poster but if that doesn't work the
> talktalk router will get the heave-ho and be replaced with something a
> bit more up to date.
>

..that still wont talk to an apple ME ME ME-Fashion accessory..
> Tim
>>
>> Good luck

[George Weston]

On 04/11/2012 20:00, Tim+ wrote:
> DrTeeth wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:08:25 +0000, just as I was about to take a
>> herb, Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> disturbed my
>> reverie and wrote:
>>
>>> Are there other causes of interference that I ought
>>> to be checking out though (in case that doesn't work)?
>> If you are talking about RF interference, I doubt it would as you
>> have already tried it next to the router.
>>
>> I just searched for "ipad not maintaining wifi connection" and got
>> many hits that could be helpful. This
>> http://www.ehow.com/facts_7772073_ipad-losing-its-wifi-connection.html
>> is a fairly generic list. I don't know if you have tried this but I
>> popped it here in case you hadn't.
>
> Well what I have found *does" work is to bring the iPad to my house
> where it performs flawlessly. I stongly suspect that the Talktalk router
> is the root of the problem.

I'm sure I suggested that a few days ago - or am I suffering from deja vu?

[George Weston]

On 04/11/2012 20:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 04/11/12 20:00, Tim+ wrote:
>> DrTeeth wrote:
>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:08:25 +0000, just as I was about to take a
>>> herb, Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> disturbed my
>>> reverie and wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are there other causes of interference that I ought
>>>> to be checking out though (in case that doesn't work)?
>>> If you are talking about RF interference, I doubt it would as you
>>> have already tried it next to the router.
>>>
>>> I just searched for "ipad not maintaining wifi connection" and got
>>> many hits that could be helpful. This
>>> http://www.ehow.com/facts_7772073_ipad-losing-its-wifi-connection.html
>>> is a fairly generic list. I don't know if you have tried this but I
>>> popped it here in case you hadn't.
>>
>> Well what I have found *does" work is to bring the iPad to my house
>> where it performs flawlessly. I stongly suspect that the Talktalk
>> router is the root of the problem.
>>
>
> Well that's what a humourless dweeb WOULD think. It couldn't POSSIBLY be
> that apple cant make a decent Wifi interface that can deal with
> congested RF space.
>
> Cos that would mean - ahem- that you got suckered into buying a bit of
> superficially attractive I-Bling that isn't fit for purpose, at twice
> the price its worth....

Don't wind him up any more....

[Tim+]

Nope. It's just that it's a 70 mile round trip to my mother's house and it
takes time to test out options.

Tim

[Tim+]

The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 04/11/12 20:00, Tim+ wrote:
>> DrTeeth wrote:
>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:08:25 +0000, just as I was about to take a
>>> herb, Tim+ <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> disturbed my
>>> reverie and wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are there other causes of interference that I ought
>>>> to be checking out though (in case that doesn't work)?
>>> If you are talking about RF interference, I doubt it would as you
>>> have already tried it next to the router.
>>>
>>> I just searched for "ipad not maintaining wifi connection" and got
>>> many hits that could be helpful. This
>>> http://www.ehow.com/facts_7772073_ipad-losing-its-wifi-connection.html
>>> is a fairly generic list. I don't know if you have tried this but I
>>> popped it here in case you hadn't.
>>
>> Well what I have found *does" work is to bring the iPad to my house
>> where it performs flawlessly. I stongly suspect that the Talktalk
>> router is the root of the problem.
>>
>
> Well that's what a humourless dweeb WOULD think. It couldn't POSSIBLY be

> that apple cant make a decent Wifi interface that can deal with congested RF space?

Of course that's possible, indeed probable. That doesn't alter the fact
that the talktalk router is old and that the iPad is clearly happy working
with my router so it's appropriate to try another router as a fix.

>
> Cos that would mean - ahem- that you got suckered into buying a bit of
> superficially attractive I-Bling that isn't fit for purpose, at twice the
> price its worth....
>

Yawn. Do change the record old chap. You're becoming very boring.


Tim

[Tim+]

Roderick Stewart <rj...@escapetime.removethisbit.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <k6r49u$bfa$1...@dont-email.me>, Tim+ wrote:
>> My mother recent bought an iPad but has been frustrated by its inability to
>> maintain a wifi connection for more than a couple of minutes at a time in
>> her Glasgow tennement flat.
>>

>> I've brought it back to my house and it works just fine on my network. In
>> her flats, it can usually "see" two or three networks and when I had a
>> fiddle with "inssider" on her laptop, I could pick up 23 different wifi
>> networks.
>>
>> I've tried a spot of "channel hopping", picking ones that are furthest away
>> from the strongest signals (it's impossible to avoid them all) but it's made
>> no difference. Her current router/modem is a freebie from Talktalk, one of
>> the "picture frame" ones like this.
>>
>> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HUAWEI-EchoLife-HG520b-Broadband-Wireless-G-ADSL2
> -Router-/181007538400?pt=UK_Computing_Wireless_Routers&hash=item2a24e3d8e0
>
> This device is described as Wireless-g. Maybe yours is Wireless-n? That might
> explain why it works better.

Replaced the router with a new wireless-n one and all is now well. Much
better range and solid connection.

Thought about just adding an access point but it wouldn't have been
much/any cheaper and would have added complications to the system.

Cheers

Tim

>
> You could replace your mother's entire modem/router, making sure the
> replacement has wireless-n, or just switch off its wireless function and add a
> wireless-n access point. Either should work.
>
> If practicable, some experimenting with the physical location of the wireless
> device (whichever you opt for) may also help.
>
> Rod.
> --

[allegoricus]

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:00:07 +0000 (UTC), Tim+
<timdow...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

------------8><

>>
>>> I use mine in the kitchen to access on-line and downloaded recipes.

>> I have a printer to print those out and take into the kitchen where
>> spilling vinegar on them is not a disaster.
>
>I'm not clumsy. Even if I were, the touch screen protects it from most
>fluid damage.

You will, no doubt, have seen this: http://allegoric.us/PFpyzm

[Andy Champ]

On 08/11/2012 15:30, allegoricus wrote:
> You will, no doubt, have seen this:http://allegoric.us/PFpyzm

First time I've seen it dubbed into German, and resized to squashyvision.


Andy