Satellite broadband - any good?
J.Neuhoff
compared to ADSL or cable modem?
Can you do any of the following:
- peer-to-peer networking
- hosting web services
- voice over IP (e.g. net telephony)
- Use VNC to access remote PCs
- video conferencing
in addition to normal things like web browsing and downloads ?
Are there any restrictions or limitations compared to a normal
landline-based broadband internet access?
J.Neuhoff
Thomas von Carlshausen
Slow uploads
> - hosting web services
Again, Slow uploads and slow ping times
> - voice over IP (e.g. net telephony)
There will be a noticable time lag of around 1/2sec
> - Use VNC to access remote PCs
Again, poor ping times and slow upstream will affect this
> - video conferencing
As above
>
> in addition to normal things like web browsing and downloads ?
No problem
> Are there any restrictions or limitations compared to a normal
> landline-based broadband internet access?
As mentioned above, unless you have a 2 way satelite link, upstreams are
limited by the speed of your modem.
Ping times will be poor as your signal has to bounced about 36km into space
and back again.
Essentially Satelite is only useful for web browsing and downloading files.
HTH
Thomas
da
> > landline-based broadband internet access?
>
> As mentioned above, unless you have a 2 way satelite link, upstreams are
> limited by the speed of your modem.
> Ping times will be poor as your signal has to bounced about 36km into
space
> and back again.
> Essentially Satelite is only useful for web browsing and downloading
files.
Make that 36,000 km into space and back again :-)
Andrew Ratcliffe
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I think 36km is more accurate - it's 7 miles up remember...
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Thomas von Carlshausen
> > Make that 36,000 km into space and back again :-)
> >
>
> I think 36km is more accurate - it's 7 miles up remember...
> --
da is correct, I forgot a few 0's. A geostationary orbit is around 36,000 km
Thomas
Alastair
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> I think 36km is more accurate - it's 7 miles up remember...
Not only is 36km not equal to 7 miles, but satellites at that
altitude would still be in the atmosphere and would come
down again in no time. That's if the 7 miles up ones hadn't
crashed into aeroplanes first!
J.Neuhoff
ADSL or cablemodem.
My home office is only a hundred metres from a local BT exchange, yet they
offer neither ADSL nor unmetered channel-bundeled ISDN, just bare
old-fashioned analogue telephony.
J.Neuhoff
Thomas von Carlshausen wrote:
>> - peer-to-peer networking
>
> Slow uploads
>
>> - hosting web services
>
> Again, Slow uploads and slow ping times
>
>> - voice over IP (e.g. net telephony)
>
> There will be a noticable time lag of around 1/2sec
>
>> - Use VNC to access remote PCs
>
> Again, poor ping times and slow upstream will affect this
>
>> - video conferencing
>
> As above
>
> .......
Dominic Pinto
> Thank you for your information. Looks like Satellite is NO alternative to
> ADSL or cablemodem.
None of these exactly replicate each other in capability - bandwidth,
availability, etc., or indeed scope, availability, price (if not cost
and whatever margin can be commanded), quality of service.
There are always trade-offs. Satellite offers coverage (for a price),
that may not (or ever) be available on a fixed network - asymmetric
service is pricey, what with your terrestrial dish etc., plus shared
(contended) space segment, latency (i.e. round trip to and from
satellite).
Teles AG (and others - Hughes?) offered (but not directly, they were
and are looking for resellers prepared to take a risk) one way (from a
basic 128 kbps up to 8 mbps) with a terrestrial fixed network path from
you. Prices were more realistic - but any download over 128 kbps were
charged at a higher rate.
> My home office is only a hundred metres from a local BT exchange, yet they
> offer neither ADSL nor unmetered channel-bundeled ISDN, just bare
> old-fashioned analogue telephony.
Don't know of anyone offering unmetered ISDN in the UK or elsewhere.
Where are you, and what exchange is it? xDSL equipping was always going
to be a roll out, never a simultaneous turning on. Plain analogue
telephony isn't so old fashioned........... or bare, given it's
terminated :-), and can deliver data speeds up to 33 or so kbps. At home
(North Oxfordshire, over 10 km from the switch, but c. 2 km from the
remote concentrator), there's no sign of xDSL. ISDN is a possibility.
Mind, there is plenty of network nearby (Energis, Vodafone, amongst
others).
Piers Kittel
> Don't know of anyone offering unmetered ISDN in the UK or elsewhere.
> Where are you, and what exchange is it? xDSL equipping was always going
Sorry if I'm being really stupid, but my parents has ISDN and its unmetered
via Surftime? Sorry if I'm wrong, but I know cable modems a lot better than
ISDN's.
Thanks
Piers
Adam
2 channels, most people like btinternet and freeserve will accept single
channel ISDN i.e 64k.
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I.J Jordan
> I think they were talking about bonded unmetered ISDN access, as in at
least
> 2 channels, most people like btinternet and freeserve will accept single
> channel ISDN i.e 64k.
Pipex do 128K unmetered access...... if you are willing to pay for it.
£69.75+vat for 3:1 ratio 24/7 or £49.75+vat for 5:1 ratio 24/7
Neil Everton
>ADSL or cablemodem.
>
>My home office is only a hundred metres from a local BT exchange, yet they
>offer neither ADSL nor unmetered channel-bundeled ISDN, just bare
>old-fashioned analogue telephony.
>
>J.Neuhoff
Hi,
Considering you can get friaco access for 14.99/month (some
cheaper/some more expensive) and ADSL is roughly (25/month) you could
use a FRIACO package with an on-demand 0845 access (some ISP's allow
this IIRC) you're looking at paying 4p/minute peak, 2/p off peak
1p/weekends (IIRC) so you'd have to use 4hrs/month (10.00/0.04) extra
usage to get to the same price as ADSL, which I agree is easily
achievable but this is daytime surfing (you can get 8 hours/evening or
16 hours/weekends using the same models to jst get to the same
equivalent pricing as ADSL) I realise that the speeds are totally
different but then again you'd be able to get 15k/second, which is
approx. 1/3 of ADSL at full throttle (I know some people get 60k/sec
but most I've spoken to seem to average 45-50k/second, esp.
evenings/weekends.
Just a thought (and my 0845 prices may be wrong !!!)
Regards
Neil E.
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Dave Wade
"J.Neuhoff" <NOSPA...@webcom.com> wrote in message
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> Thank you for your information. Looks like Satellite is NO alternative to
> ADSL or cablemodem.
>
> My home office is only a hundred metres from a local BT exchange, yet they
> offer neither ADSL nor unmetered channel-bundeled ISDN, just bare
> old-fashioned analogue telephony.
>
> J.Neuhoff
>
>
>
http://www.vispa.com/products-anytimeplus.php but they are expensive.
Juergen Neuhoff
few 128K packages, but these are exteremely expensive (often thousands of % more
expensive compared with ADSL in terms of bandwidth/monthly price), and these
packages not really unmetered, e.g. they have 2 hours cutoff, and sometimes 10
or 5 minutes idle cut-off, too. And what about 4 or 8 or more unmetered
channel-bonded ISDN? BT simply refuses even to discuss this option whenever we
approach them. In fact, BT gives us the impression as if they are trying to do
anything they can to AVOID offering any decent telecom services at all!
And why does it have to be so expensive to DSL-upgrade exchanges even if there
are only a few users? Why can't they just use unmetered ISDN channel-bonding?
I'd be willing to pay e.g. a flat 10 pounds per month per 64K channel and would
even accept a contention ratio from the local exchange onwards to the internet,
as long as there can be an always-on connection.
As regards BT's latest satellite trial: BT has now admitted that "it is not true
broadband, ..." (see http://uk.news.yahoo.com/020415/4/cwr3g.html)
So it seems there a widening digital divide, thanks to the OFTEL/BT monopoly.
J.Neuhoff
Andrew Ratcliffe
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yeh, I kinda realised all this after I posted :)
Oops - I'll get my coat...
Denis Mcmahon
>I have yet to see a genuine unmetered channel-bonded ISDN.
The demon internet network dial-up service is one such service.
Rgds
Denis
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Two way satellite is available in the UK in all areas including non-adsl regions.
It's fast, effecient and low cost - check out ISP reviews for Aramiska etc.
Aaron Turner
: It's fast, effecient and low cost - check out ISP reviews for Aramiska etc.
Best part of a grand for the equipment - not _THAT_ cheap - unless we
can reuse the old Sky dish the old occupants of our house left behind.
It's still amazing that 1.73 miles (as the crow flies) and we're in
an area of a major city with pretensions to a hi tech future that can't
get ADSL due to poor wiring.
Aaron Turner