Sharing broadband via wireless in the local area.
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wireless cards in local area/neighbourhoods in the UK? This does not include
personal home networks.
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Jim Ward
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Anything to do with www.consume.net? Sounds pretty interesting actually....
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what i'm on about. I wan't information from people using such networks.
"Your Broadband World" <andrew...@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message
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Diamond
door to each other and both have broadband that they could couple their
bandwith wirelessy to potentially double their download speeds, etc? Say
when both have their PC's on at night and only one is downloading files off
the net?
Or if one of their ISP's ishaving trouble that day and one person's internet
connection is not working that they automatically share their bandwith as a
sort of backup system?
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Acidshit
One solution would be to couple each of your broadband connections to a
hardware load balancer, then attach this to a wireless bridge. The cheapest
load balancer around which is capable of doing this is $400 + whatever
customs charge you to import it. See it here:
http://www.nexland.com/products/product.cfm?id=4
Software connection teaming would also be an option, but would be almost as
expensive (two wireless adapters in each PC, two wireless bridges, etc.) and
far less efficient (significant resource drain on your PCs, ineffective
balancing).
Also worth noting is that you'd need to use a download manager which splits
each download into multiple parts, otherwise you'd get no benefit, as each
session can only happen through one channel.
Acidshit
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bid-4-us
however splitting the files up for download between the two connections will
not be an issue.
furthermore, using the second conection as a backup can be easily acheived.
I will look into the doubling on bandwidth though for normal web use.
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Diamond
"bid-4-us" <NOSPAMb...@shaikh.freeserve.co.ukREMOVE> wrote in message
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This might be of interest It's some sort of wireless networking software - I
tried it on my two PC's both with Sitecom wireless cards and windows 2000
and couldn't get them to work, may some of you will have better luck
I also looked into several sites about wireless networks and it all seem
very disorganised.
What we really need is for someone to write something like Kazaa for
wireless that automtaically finds people over the airwaves that are sharing
their files and perhaps even a little of their internet bandwidth. I'd
gladly share some bandwidth in return for someone else doing the same as
some sort of internet backup for when my ISP goes down next!!
They say the range of WiFi is 1000 Feet but is this before or after sticking
your device inside an empty pringles carton? I've read in Hawaii they've
managed to boost the signal to something like 20 miles + with high enough
aerials.
The possibilities of broadband wireless internet are amazing when you think
about it. Every public library in the UK should have such a connection and
there's no reason schools can't use the existsing connections they already
have to provide local pupils with a connection if not to the internet at
least to their local intranet.
I wish WiFi was around when we were at univeristy we would have had a
blast!!
bid-4-us
use today (atleast in Europe).
speed obviously depends on weather, etc...
however biggest concern especially since the 802.11b standard is falwed by
design is security. you dont need a KAZAA type application to find people
willing (intentionally, or not) to share their bandwidth. just go down the
city with the tried and tested pringle setup and you will be amazed at what
you will find.
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Dave Wade
"bid-4-us" <NOSPAMb...@shaikh.freeserve.co.ukREMOVE> wrote in message
> 28Km is acheivable using aerials on the 802.11b standard which is what is
in
> use today (atleast in Europe).
>
> speed obviously depends on weather, etc...
>
> however biggest concern especially since the 802.11b standard is falwed by
> design is security. you dont need a KAZAA type application to find people
> willing (intentionally, or not) to share their bandwidth. just go down the
> city with the tried and tested pringle setup and you will be amazed at
what
> you will find.
>
I think you are confusing two problems here.
1. Many people set up their 802.11b with no security. If set up like this
then it is trivial to "hack in" and use the service. I guess when the cards
were really expensive and pretty rare, and folks found it hard to get even
coverage even within in an office, then no one thought it was possible,
never mind easy to access the signal from outside the building. Now cards
are cheaper, and the service is more common they have just left their
systems wide open.
2. The encryption aplied to wireless is not very secure. This is also true,
but "not very" needs to be taken in context. It still requires time and
money to hack the keys. If you change them often (and what is often depends
on many things) then you will have a system that is un-attractive to (some
hackers)
3. If you require really secure communications treat the Wireless Network
like any other unsecured network. For example you may wish to place it
behind a firewall and use VPN technology to gain access to the outside
world. This is cheap to implement, can be very secure if properley designed,
and is supported by a wide range of remote devices. This would seem like a
very good solution for a neighbourhod broadband scheme..
Dave.
Diamond
"bid-4-us" <NOSPAMb...@shaikh.freeserve.co.ukREMOVE> wrote in message
> 28Km is acheivable using aerials on the 802.11b standard which is what is
in
> use today (atleast in Europe).
>
> speed obviously depends on weather, etc...
>
> however biggest concern especially since the 802.11b standard is falwed by
> design is security. you dont need a KAZAA type application to find people
> willing (intentionally, or not) to share their bandwidth. just go down the
> city with the tried and tested pringle setup and you will be amazed at
what
> you will find.
I have to admit I have so many problems with my own wireless network at
home, intally it all works fine and then after a few minutes it says it
can't find the other PC's even if it's in the middle of copying from one of
them. All my PC's are windows 2000 Pro as well and have fixed IP,s etc.
The best I can figure is it has something to do with bindings. But the
problems displays a box like network name no longer available. Any ideas?
Never used to have this many problems witht the home RF system from intel -
that worked perfectly but the sitecom WiFi system sucks - wrose set of
drivers ever written, some driver files were even missing fromtheir
installation CD for windows 2000 when I first bought it.
Stuart Booth
>Sure - however you'll both need some fairly complex networking.
>
>One solution would be to couple each of your broadband connections to a
>hardware load balancer, then attach this to a wireless bridge. The cheapest
>load balancer around which is capable of doing this is $400 + whatever
>customs charge you to import it. See it here:
>http://www.nexland.com/products/product.cfm?id=4
This is available in the UK here:
http://www.crownitsolutions.com/products.php?productId=14
£327 inc VAT so not a $1:£1 conversion at least!!!
--
Stuart Booth
Somewhere in Buckinghamshire, England, UK
stu...@stuartboothZ.comZ (just remove those Z's)
DaveP
Idea would be
adsl router,
??? through to a wireless hub,
then cards in the fixed pc (since I need to use wireless for
the laptop anyway, it seems like a good idea?)
Anyone done this?
It would save running cables through walls etc.
TIA, Regards DaveP
Dave Wade
"DaveP" <Da...@NEARLYdpawson.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Is it easier using wireless for a single adsl connection?
> Idea would be
>
> adsl router,
>
> ??? through to a wireless hub,
> then cards in the fixed pc (since I need to use wireless for
> the laptop anyway, it seems like a good idea?)
>
Only problem is cards are still expensive, and you need to keep it secure to
stop inerlopers pinching your bandwidth
> Anyone done this?
Several - search the archives at groups.google.com
> It would save running cables through walls etc.
>
It does indeed.
> TIA, Regards DaveP
Brett
"DaveP" <Da...@NEARLYdpawson.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Idea would be
>
> adsl router,
>
> ??? through to a wireless hub,
> then cards in the fixed pc (since I need to use wireless for
> the laptop anyway, it seems like a good idea?)
Currently investigating this myself espcially as the hardware has come down
considerably in price.
The following wireless devices are between £135 and £200 in price and also
have a print server...
D Link 713p
SMC 7004AWBR
Zoom 4165
The SMC seems the best value at the moment and I quite fancy pairing it with
the SAR703, ASUS AAM6000EV or Conexant AMX-CA61E.
--
Brett
Daniel Clarke
> ??? through to a wireless hub,
> then cards in the fixed pc (since I need to use wireless for
> the laptop anyway, it seems like a good idea?)
> Anyone done this?
> It would save running cables through walls etc.
My setup goes something like this....
I have phone extension cable running from the Master Phone Socket out to my
garage. I then have a ASUS router connected to a 8 port (VERY Cheap
switch). Off the switch I have a P2 400mhz pc and a Belkin Wireless Access
Point. Then in my house I have a "family PC" which the wife and kids use
and I have my work's laptop both with Wireless NIC in (USB for Desktop PC
Card for Laptop). My neighbour, who luck would have it is only 5 metres
from the WAP, has a Desktop and a Laptop with the same NIC's in. My
neighbour pays about 30% of the ADSL bill. I pay 30% and work pays the rest
(I access a VPN over this setup).
This setup works brillantly. One of our other neigherbours is planning on
jumping on the setup but the extra cost of different WAP and OmniDirectional
Areil have put him off for a couple of months.
The P2 400mhz runs 24/7 as a Web/Email and download server. If we want to
download a file during the day I just send it a email with the address on!
Regards,
Daniel
DaveP
I like the idea of sharing bwidth with the neighbours,
but not for those not contributing!
Can such access be done selectively please?
regards DaveP