Does ALL usenet traffic pass through Abovenet Communications???
Mike Barnard
I'm another ADSL customer of Madasafish, and I too have lost my
newsfeed and I'm pissed at them. I'm based in Worthing, West Sussex,
on the south coast of the UK near Brighton. (I'm posting this through
a subscription with News.CIS.DFN.DE but I'm not happy at having to
make the change.)
I did a google search for newsfeeds and to see which ones gave me the
best ping I did some tracerouting with Neotrace. news.madasafish.co
turns out to be a feed from the USA Supernews.com, ping average about
185ms. So I tried some others...
news.uncensored-news.com Victorville, CA, USA. 200+ping
(passes through Abovenet Communications, Inc. at San Jose, CA.)
multimedia.uncensored-news.com as above 195 ping
(passes through Abovenet Communications, Inc. at San Jose, CA.)
(passes through Verio inc, at Dallas)
news01.inet.tele.dk Aarhus N, Denmark 60 ping
(passes through Abovenet Communications, Inc. at San Jose, CA.)
news.netsurf.de Hamburg, Germany. 90 ping
(passes through Abovenet Communications, Inc. at San Jose, CA.)
news.avault.com Last recorded step, Verio, Dallas.
Unreachable, but
(passes through Abovenet Communications, Inc. at San Jose, CA.)
news.cakewalk.com Last step unknown,
Unreachable, but
(passes through Abovenet Communications, Inc. at San Jose, CA.)
And so on. What sort of steranglehold does Abovenet Communications,
Inc. have on the net news feeds? Also why does the binaries feed of
Uncensored-news go through Dallas when their other servers don't?
Wouldn't be a government communications center there somewhere would
there?
I feel a thread about conspiracies coming on!
Adrian Sunderland
> And so on. What sort of steranglehold does Abovenet Communications,
> Inc. have on the net news feeds? Also why does the binaries feed of
> Uncensored-news go through Dallas when their other servers don't?
> Wouldn't be a government communications center there somewhere would
> there?
>
> I feel a thread about conspiracies coming on!
I don't think it's a conspiracy. More likely that Madasafish's primary
upstream provider is Abovenet, hence every traceroute goes through them.
Adrian
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Wango
news:992989143.886722@AUTH2...
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> I don't think it's a conspiracy. More likely that Madasafish's primary
> upstream provider is Abovenet, hence every traceroute goes through them.
>
Wango
Andy Hall
"Mike Barnard" <mi...@thunderin.co.uk> wrote in message
news:9c5vitkuhvr0jgehb...@4ax.com...
> Hi.
>
> And so on. What sort of steranglehold does Abovenet Communications,
> Inc. have on the net news feeds? Also why does the binaries feed of
> Uncensored-news go through Dallas when their other servers don't?
> Wouldn't be a government communications center there somewhere would
> there?
>
> I feel a thread about conspiracies coming on!
>
>
Err. No.
They are simply a carrier and backbone provider, and are interested only in
filling their fibre capacity and making money. Any routings for different
services represent only the current state of the routing pathways and can
change.
For larger flows of data between specific sites there may be specific routes
set up to push the data through a cheaper or higher capacity path.
Since Usenet operates by the use of distributed servers worldwide carrying
all or a subset of groups according to operational capacity and policy,
anything posted is widely distributed anyway for all to read.
It is not a centralised model and if anyone wants to read all the groups to
determine whether you are up to anything illegal or antisocial they can do
so without the data needing to go to any central point - even assuming they
were interested in the first place.
Newsfeeds offered to individuals by their ISPs may be filtered at the
discretion of the ISP to comply with any real or imagined legal issues or
their Acceptable Use Policy. You are not required to use your ISP's news
server anyway.
Sorry to disappoint you, but no conspiracies.......
.andy
Mike Barnard
>
>> And so on. What sort of steranglehold does Abovenet Communications,
>> Inc. have on the net news feeds? Also why does the binaries feed of
>> I feel a thread about conspiracies coming on!
>Sorry to disappoint you, but no conspiracies.......
Actually, it was meant to be a bit tounge in cheek. But, what I meant
about the communications centre was more about watching which of the
available messages a person may choose to download. As opposed to
knowing of the existance of the message itself. I know they can see
all messages, but let's choose child porn as an example. They can see
all the posted child porn on the net, but I was wondering if they
could watch WHO was downloading the porn onto their computers. Or any
other subject of course.
Andy Hall
I see what you're saying. If the traffic between your news client and the
news server is passing a certain point it would be possible to trace a given
session of data transfer. However doing this in the carrier part of the
internet is pretty hard because of the huge data volumes. This is why
there has been discussion about mandating ISPs to place monitoring devices
in their networks where this is a much smaller issue to deal with.
The political and civil liberties discussions are something else, of course.
.andy