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BT Openreach predicting "In Scope" for FTTP (premises, not cabinet)
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NY
Aug 19, 2018, 3:54:39 PM8/19/18
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If the BT Openreach fibre site
https://www.homeandbusiness.openreach.co.uk/fibre-broadband/when-can-i-get-fibre
for a given address reports a status of "Your area is currently in our plans
to be upgraded with Fibre to the Premises (FTTP)", does that mean that
*only* FTTP (to the premises) will be available, or will FTTC/VDSL also be
available at a cheaper price?
https://www.homeandbusiness.openreach.co.uk/fibre-broadband/when-can-i-get-fibre
for a given address reports a status of "Your area is currently in our plans
to be upgraded with Fibre to the Premises (FTTP)", does that mean that
*only* FTTP (to the premises) will be available, or will FTTC/VDSL also be
available at a cheaper price?
Vir Campestris
Aug 19, 2018, 4:08:18 PM8/19/18
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years before that, but we didn't live here).
It jumped straight to taking orders. When they realised we were about to
do something that wouldn't involve BT.
I wouldn't hold your breath.
Andy
NY
Aug 20, 2018, 4:32:22 AM8/20/18
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"Vir Campestris" <vir.cam...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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I realise that "Exploring solutions" or "In our plans" is a long way from
being able to accept orders.
However I was asking more about the mention of FTTP as opposed to FTTC.
If/when the area does get fibre, does the mention of FTTP mean that they
will *only* offer FTTP (at a very high price for a very fast service) or are
BT likely to offer FTTC with VDSL for the final few hundred metres, as a
cheaper and slower service (but still considerably faster than ADSL)?
Should I be worried by that mention of FTTP? Will it mean a choice between a
fast, expensive service (FTTP) or a considerably slower and cheaper service
(ADSL), with no halfway house of FTTC? Or am I reading more into BT ORs
statement than was intended?
news:plcinh$im4$2...@dont-email.me...
being able to accept orders.
However I was asking more about the mention of FTTP as opposed to FTTC.
If/when the area does get fibre, does the mention of FTTP mean that they
will *only* offer FTTP (at a very high price for a very fast service) or are
BT likely to offer FTTC with VDSL for the final few hundred metres, as a
cheaper and slower service (but still considerably faster than ADSL)?
Should I be worried by that mention of FTTP? Will it mean a choice between a
fast, expensive service (FTTP) or a considerably slower and cheaper service
(ADSL), with no halfway house of FTTC? Or am I reading more into BT ORs
statement than was intended?
Andy Burns
Aug 20, 2018, 4:37:58 AM8/20/18
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NY wrote:
> Will it mean a choice between a fast, expensive service (FTTP) or a
> considerably slower and cheaper service (ADSL)
Where FTTP is available instead of FTTC, you can purchase a VDSL speed
> Will it mean a choice between a fast, expensive service (FTTP) or a
> considerably slower and cheaper service (ADSL)
connection at a VDSL price.
Roger Mills
Aug 20, 2018, 8:49:16 AM8/20/18
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speed artificially restricted, or do you still have copper as far as the
cabinet?
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Andy Burns
Aug 20, 2018, 8:55:05 AM8/20/18
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Roger Mills wrote:
> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Where FTTP is available instead of FTTC, you can purchase a VDSL speed
>> connection at a VDSL price.
>
> How is that physically implemented?
They just cap the speed on the fibre
> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Where FTTP is available instead of FTTC, you can purchase a VDSL speed
>> connection at a VDSL price.
>
> How is that physically implemented?
NY
Aug 20, 2018, 10:59:14 AM8/20/18
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"Andy Burns" <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote in message
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Ah so you need a special FTTP modem and then arrange an Ethernet link to
where you want your router. The two are often not in the same place: BT tend
to want to put a VDSL or FTTP modem as close to the master socket as
possible, whereas a router tends to be best in an upstairs room for widest
wifi coverage, and maybe in the room where the main computer is, so it can
be connected by Ethernet rather than wifi or Homeplug.
Phone extension cable is easier to route from one room to another, alongside
carpets and under metal carpet-joining strips through doorway; Cat 5 is
thicker and more difficult to route it without being noticeable.
FTTP is something to die for, but sometimes you don't want to pay the earth
for it. Mind you, 100+ Mbps up and down would be very tempting...
news:ftvs17...@mid.individual.net...
where you want your router. The two are often not in the same place: BT tend
to want to put a VDSL or FTTP modem as close to the master socket as
possible, whereas a router tends to be best in an upstairs room for widest
wifi coverage, and maybe in the room where the main computer is, so it can
be connected by Ethernet rather than wifi or Homeplug.
Phone extension cable is easier to route from one room to another, alongside
carpets and under metal carpet-joining strips through doorway; Cat 5 is
thicker and more difficult to route it without being noticeable.
FTTP is something to die for, but sometimes you don't want to pay the earth
for it. Mind you, 100+ Mbps up and down would be very tempting...
Andy Burns
Aug 20, 2018, 11:16:42 AM8/20/18
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NY wrote:
> Ah so you need a special FTTP modem
ONT they call it
> Ah so you need a special FTTP modem
> and then arrange an Ethernet link to
> where you want your router. The two are often not in the same place:
> FTTP is something to die for, but sometimes you don't want to pay the
> earth for it. Mind you, 100+ Mbps up and down would be very tempting...
Dick
Aug 20, 2018, 11:30:05 AM8/20/18
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MissRiaElaine
Aug 20, 2018, 11:50:01 AM8/20/18
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On 20/08/18 16:00, NY wrote:
> Phone extension cable is easier to route from one room to another,
> alongside carpets and under metal carpet-joining strips through doorway;
> Cat 5 is thicker and more difficult to route it without being noticeable.
>
> FTTP is something to die for, but sometimes you don't want to pay the
> earth for it. Mind you, 100+ Mbps up and down would be very tempting...
A friend of mine in San Francisco gets that, plus a phone line, for less
> Phone extension cable is easier to route from one room to another,
> alongside carpets and under metal carpet-joining strips through doorway;
> Cat 5 is thicker and more difficult to route it without being noticeable.
>
> FTTP is something to die for, but sometimes you don't want to pay the
> earth for it. Mind you, 100+ Mbps up and down would be very tempting...
a month than I pay for FTTC and a 40/10 connection. Typical, isn't it...
I agree Ethernet can be a pain to route and install, but it's so worth
it once it's done. It took us over a year to fully install structured
cabling (money issues rather than time and effort) but it is so useful
now it's done.
--
Ria in Aberdeen
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R. Mark Clayton
Aug 20, 2018, 12:36:40 PM8/20/18
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On Monday, 20 August 2018 09:32:22 UTC+1, NY wrote:
> "Vir Campestris" <vir.cam...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:plcinh$im4$2...@dont-email.me...
> > On 19/08/2018 20:55, NY wrote:
> >> If the BT Openreach fibre site
> >> https://www.homeandbusiness.openreach.co.uk/fibre-broadband/when-can-i-get-fibre
> >> for a given address reports a status of "Your area is currently in our
> >> plans to be upgraded with Fibre to the Premises (FTTP)", does that mean
> >> that *only* FTTP (to the premises) will be available, or will FTTC/VDSL
> >> also be available at a cheaper price?
> >
> > We were "exploring solutions" for 3 years in the trot (and I think more
> > years before that, but we didn't live here).
> >
> > It jumped straight to taking orders. When they realised we were about to
> > do something that wouldn't involve BT.
> >
> > I wouldn't hold your breath.
>
> I realise that "Exploring solutions" or "In our plans" is a long way from
> being able to accept orders.
Same sort of terminology as Hyperoptic - don't hold your breath.
> "Vir Campestris" <vir.cam...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:plcinh$im4$2...@dont-email.me...
> > On 19/08/2018 20:55, NY wrote:
> >> If the BT Openreach fibre site
> >> https://www.homeandbusiness.openreach.co.uk/fibre-broadband/when-can-i-get-fibre
> >> for a given address reports a status of "Your area is currently in our
> >> plans to be upgraded with Fibre to the Premises (FTTP)", does that mean
> >> that *only* FTTP (to the premises) will be available, or will FTTC/VDSL
> >> also be available at a cheaper price?
> >
> > We were "exploring solutions" for 3 years in the trot (and I think more
> > years before that, but we didn't live here).
> >
> > It jumped straight to taking orders. When they realised we were about to
> > do something that wouldn't involve BT.
> >
> > I wouldn't hold your breath.
>
> I realise that "Exploring solutions" or "In our plans" is a long way from
> being able to accept orders.
Vir Campestris
Aug 20, 2018, 5:51:12 PM8/20/18
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On 20/08/2018 09:33, NY wrote:
>
> I realise that "Exploring solutions" or "In our plans" is a long way
> from being able to accept orders.
>
> However I was asking more about the mention of FTTP as opposed to FTTC.
> If/when the area does get fibre, does the mention of FTTP mean that they
> will *only* offer FTTP (at a very high price for a very fast service) or
> are BT likely to offer FTTC with VDSL for the final few hundred metres,
> as a cheaper and slower service (but still considerably faster than ADSL)?
>
> Should I be worried by that mention of FTTP? Will it mean a choice
> between a fast, expensive service (FTTP) or a considerably slower and
> cheaper service (ADSL), with no halfway house of FTTC? Or am I reading
> more into BT ORs statement than was intended?
We've got FTTP, and so have some of the other people in the village.
>
> I realise that "Exploring solutions" or "In our plans" is a long way
> from being able to accept orders.
>
> However I was asking more about the mention of FTTP as opposed to FTTC.
> If/when the area does get fibre, does the mention of FTTP mean that they
> will *only* offer FTTP (at a very high price for a very fast service) or
> are BT likely to offer FTTC with VDSL for the final few hundred metres,
> as a cheaper and slower service (but still considerably faster than ADSL)?
>
> Should I be worried by that mention of FTTP? Will it mean a choice
> between a fast, expensive service (FTTP) or a considerably slower and
> cheaper service (ADSL), with no halfway house of FTTC? Or am I reading
> more into BT ORs statement than was intended?
Where the houses are closer they put in VDSL cabinets, and that's what
people got.
Connecting Cambridgeshire picked up the tab. I pay a VDSL price.
I'm tempted by 330, if nothing else for bragging rights in a computer
company. But I can't honestly justify it!
Oh, (looking down thread) Our HQ is in The Valley. So, San Francisco has
cheaper broadband. But you have to live there. Mile upon mile upon mile
of boring suburbs. All made out of ticky-tacky, and they all look just
the same. Whereas my house is older than their country!
Andy
MissRiaElaine
Aug 20, 2018, 6:45:00 PM8/20/18
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On 20/08/18 22:51, Vir Campestris wrote:
> Oh, (looking down thread) Our HQ is in The Valley. So, San Francisco has
> cheaper broadband. But you have to live there. Mile upon mile upon mile
> of boring suburbs. All made out of ticky-tacky, and they all look just
> the same. Whereas my house is older than their country!
>
> Andy
I quite like San Francisco. I've been around a lot of the States, and
> Oh, (looking down thread) Our HQ is in The Valley. So, San Francisco has
> cheaper broadband. But you have to live there. Mile upon mile upon mile
> of boring suburbs. All made out of ticky-tacky, and they all look just
> the same. Whereas my house is older than their country!
>
> Andy
while I don't think I'd want to live there (at least not while the
current incumbent is in the White House), if I *had* to live there, San
Francisco would be the place I'd choose.
7
Aug 20, 2018, 7:36:07 PM8/20/18
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Their trick is to lay 5 or 6 fiber only.
Then they connect up a £50,000+ 'cabinet' whose purpose
is to multiplex phone and Internet on to ONE FIBER.
They then price that fiber at £85,000 + VAT.
The remaining fibers must also be 'worth' £85,000 per link.
The fscking retards in BT (British Telecum) offcum, DCMS
don't know what fiber is or how it is laid.
That is why they have presided over decline of UK from 31 to 35.
These days $2/m for 96 core and dropping. Typically 1.5"
cable with 3456 core fiber is what should be being laid down.
At a fee of £150 per install and £30/m, instant profit by year 2!!
All the fiber companies put in thousands of fibers per run,
one for each house and spares.
While shiitt for telecum cumpanies like BT, Openroach, Offcum
and DCMS shiite themselves when they install 5 to 6 core cable.
There is talk now that they will be remembered forever as
the shiiiteiiesst fsckers in the whooole wide world
for the story of Internet.
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