Disabling Gardtec 500 Series
PSB
from the previous residents. I'm competent with electronics and cabling
etc. and I thought I'd utilise the existing PIRs and fit a new more modern
panel with speech dialler, remote access to my PC etc. I've never fitted an
alarm before but I'm picking up lots of information from various books and
resources on the 'net, and I've definitely decided I want to do it all
myself.
My first stumbling block however is to disable the existing alarm. All it
says on the panel at the moment is "En" which I assume means it needs an
engineer reset. (Apparently the guy that installed it is bad news and most
of the local residents whom he installed for have the same issue, so they
don't use their alarms at all). I don't want to pay this guy 50 quid to
come and reset it for me which will probably take all of 30 seconds.
I'm assuming that I probably need to disconnect/disable the bellbox first so
as not to piss my neighbours off too much (guess it has a battery in there
somewhere), then open the cover to the panel, disconnect the battery and
mains supplies and short out a couple of pins somewhere to clear the NVRAM
(? I hope its that easy?) and hey presto its back to default setting.
(anyone know what the default codes are?)
Am I thinking along the right lines? Do I need to watch out for anything
else?
Help would be much appreciated.
Many thanks.
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Andy
engineer code. This means that the programming can not be defaulted.
unfortunately, I don't have Gardiner Technologies phone number, but I'm
sure, if you look round the web you will find their site.
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battery lead and also the sounder cable. Open the panel, remove the mains
and the battery and the system is powered down. Be careful regarding doing
an NVM reboot as if this guy is a bit of a nightmare he may have locked the
engineer number - this is done by prefixing it with a 9! If you crash the
system out and he has locked the number you WILL NOT be able to reprogram
the panel.
If you need any morn help use the enquires page of our web site and I will
get back to you! I would just rip it out and put in a Texecom Veritas or
Scantronic panel!!
Justin Tripp
C.I.D. Alarm Services Ltd
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Not very professional Justin and doesn't reflect CID Alarm Services in a
good light does it?
WK
Peter Parry
wrote:
>Teaching people to disable an alarm system on an open newsgroup?
>
>Not very professional Justin and doesn't reflect CID Alarm Services in a
>good light does it?
Why ever not? The advice wouldn't help a burglar. Putting "breaking
into buildings" into Google produces 250,000 replies many of which
are far more informative. The Animal Liberation terrorists even
publish a comprehensive guide to alarm defeating in PDF format.
These days "bell only" systems are largely useless. Is it more
"professional" for security tradesmen to continue to sell them than
it is to point out to the owner of one which has been crippled by
another security tradesman how to remove it??
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If you say so Peter.
You are obviously a pro at researching material to defeat alarms. How very
sad, do you have a life?
WK
PSB
worried about disabling it. In fact I am replacing it with a Veritas unit,
but I'm going for the Excel which has some nice features for a good price
(including the remote UDL). And thanks for the offer of help - I hope I
won't need it but nice to have the security.
Cheers.
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Peter Parry
wrote:
>You are obviously a pro at researching material
Yes.
>to defeat alarms.
Not really, most are rather too simple to bother with.
Andy
We joined NACOSS in 1991 and became ISO 9002 3 years later. Best thing we
ever did.
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I am not in the alarms industry anymore but when I was, the SSAIB did an
equally good job than Nacoss. And now Nacoss are the minority inspectorate
it is only people like ADT that keeps them going.
This is blatantly obvious following the recent ADT Northern Ireland
maintenance scandal which any "normal" company would get booted out of
NACOSS. Have ADT ????? Of course they haven't.
Do yourself a favour and stick with the growing inspectorate not the one
which sucks up to the nationals.
WK
Andy
amalgamation of integrity 2000, ASIC (?) and the SSAIB the SSAIB will become
a much stronger force within the industry and will receive greater insurance
recognition.
It has always been my belief that anyone who is running a security business,
the way that a security business should be run will have no problem
whatsoever obtaining NACOSS Certification.
Mot of the bad press NACOSS has received over the years has been from non
NACOSS company's who are scared of the unknown.
I found obtaining NACOSS accreditation, and following that, ISO 9002
(formally BS5750) a huge ordeal, in fact, I made myself physically ill prior
to achieving ISO 9002. Once I achieved these goals I could understand what I
had made a fuss over.
At the end of the day it has been the insurance company's that have
historically demanded NACOSS company's protect certain risks on the basis
that they are taking the risk and want to minimise their losses.
You refer to the ADT problem in Ireland. Be it a NACOSS or SSAIB Company
these things will always happen. We employ 26 fully trained audited staff, I
cant watch them each second of each day, and trust they following company
procedures and the relevant British Standards when fulfilling their tasks,
be it installation, preventative or corrective maintenance. At the end o the
day how can I or anyone be sure that they are doing their job 100% correctly
100% of the time.
Every company, be it alarms or any other company in any other sector has to
grow to survive and it reaches the point where a company has to employ
staff.
My biggest problem are the staff, not the customers. Since 1st Jan 2001 I
have only had 7 days where I have had a full compliment of staff due to
holidays and sickness. I'm sure that ADT have the same problem, but
proportionally more.
On a personal front, we have found ISO 9002 excellent for our company. Like
the Directors of most Alarm Co. I am a glorified alarm engineer who now
wears a suit. Without the NACOSS regulatory regime I can assure you that the
correct documentation would not be done.
I have *heard* that SSAIB concentrate more on the alarm installation as
opposed to the documentation. This is excellent and is the best way to
promote good practice and reduce false alarms, but the paperwork is equally
important!
NACOSS has in excess of 700 approved company's. The national and big
company's are: ADT, Chubb, Protection One, Initial Shorrock, Secom, Pointer,
British Gas and maybe one or two others. That is 7 out of 700. All the
other company's are a similar size to us.
We have been trading since 1988 - 13 years. We have approx. 5.5K thousand
systems of which approx. 1.8K are monitored. I maintain that with NACOSS
Accreditation we would not have been able to grow to this size.
These are my personal views and are not intended to offend.
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Jon Rouse
>NACOSS has in excess of 700 approved company's. The national and big
>company's are: ADT, Chubb, Protection One, Initial Shorrock, Secom,
Pointer,
>British Gas and maybe one or two others. That is 7 out of 700. All the
>other company's are a similar size to us.
Hey, you forgot RoMEC. There's a fair few Post Offices out there!
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> You refer to the ADT problem in Ireland. Be it a NACOSS or SSAIB Company
> these things will always happen. We employ 26 fully trained audited staff,
I
> cant watch them each second of each day, and trust they following company
> procedures and the relevant British Standards when fulfilling their tasks,
> be it installation, preventative or corrective maintenance. At the end o
the
> day how can I or anyone be sure that they are doing their job 100%
correctly
> 100% of the time.
I don't think anyone expects you to watch your guys/gals every second of the
day, the same as a co doesn't watch their sales people every second
However, there must surely be an element of monitoring, regular rides out
with your staff, see the good sites with the bad, see the problems as they
see them etc etc etc - otherwise you are failing them as well as your
clients and yourself. After all those other alphagetti acronyms after the co
name you should probably be looking at IIP (Investors In People)
Any manager who doesn't spend time out with the lads on a regular (or
irregular) basis is really kidding himself that it isn't his fault when
things go wrong
> Every company, be it alarms or any other company in any other sector has
to
> grow to survive and it reaches the point where a company has to employ
> staff.
>
> My biggest problem are the staff, not the customers. Since 1st Jan 2001 I
> have only had 7 days where I have had a full compliment of staff due to
> holidays and sickness. I'm sure that ADT have the same problem, but
> proportionally more.
= = =
holidays are planned and sickness isn't
it really depends on the true reasons for the sickness - is it job induced,
self inflicted (drink or too active at footy) or just bad luck
whatever, it is the one thing that can't be allowed for cosn u don't know
when it will occur
(
despite what customers feel, it isn't possible to just go to stores and break open a new engineer (oh I wish)
it then comes down to who you can let down without too much backlash
the biggest difficulty I have found is that one person's strengths are the next person's weaknesses and you can rarely get a good match when covering in an emergency (again another good reason to keep close contact with the staff and spot the weaknesses and try to rectify)
> On a personal front, we have found ISO 9002 excellent for our company. Like
> the Directors of most Alarm Co. I am a glorified alarm engineer who now
> wears a suit. Without the NACOSS regulatory regime I can assure you that the
> correct documentation would not be done.
>
> I have *heard* that SSAIB concentrate more on the alarm installation as
> opposed to the documentation. This is excellent and is the best way to
> promote good practice and reduce false alarms, but the paperwork is equally
> important!
= = =
i'm afraid that it isn't just with Security but also with Fire Alarm and Public Address co's - documentation is exceedingly important especially with Safety of Life systems, but in the rush to get to the next call regularly gets forgotten or even taken to the next call instead of leaving with the client :>((
recently new cust asked for a service visit, found that the previous occupier of building hadn't had checks carried out on FA for quite some time,
turned out that there was no test record book, and when the system was tested the alarm cct had been disconnected - because the alarms had kept ringing, due to two duff detectors !
luckily there had been no FA incidents, but if there had then this is one childrens nursery that would never have opened again :>((
more and more I am finding that my role has become more Consultation, advising on the latest changes in regs, especially on Health & Safety aspects as so few sme's have the time to keep up with all the gobble-de-gook coming out of Whitehall. In fact, they don't seem to get the info sent to them, they are just left to find out if they ca
n :>((
(recent survey says that 60+ sme's don't even know about the new pension
thing, letalone how to go about getting info)
I expect you find the same when trying to explain the latest thinking from
ACPO and others about false alarms - which includes FA !!
dave
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