New digital TV - dont know whats wrong.
mike/lisa/claire
I have a very old Thompson ( I'll tell you the makes in case its a problem)
TV from Comet ( bought 10 years or so ago) in Plymouth. Its a 26" large
backed old fashioned TV.
I have attached to it a very old Audioline digi box. Bought about seven
years ago - was one of the first relatively cheap ones produced . Got it
from Asda in Plymouth.
I have an aerial ( sp?) which is pointed to the Plympton transmitter in
Plymouth. This is about five miles away as the crow flies and I can
virtually see it across the valley from where I live. It has been pointing
in this direction for the last ten or more years. I live in the Tamar Valley
( high up , just under Kit Hill) SE Cornwall.
This could be important I dont know.
I have just today bought a brand new flat screen 19" digital TV from Asda
Plymouth , made by Onn ( with a couple of dots over the O) . I got it home
and plugged it in and connected my existing aerial from my old TV to it (
to test it out before moving it to the bedroom) and it searched for channels
and it decided to pick up Caradon Hill ( some 25 miles away as the crow
flies and not the direction my aerial points. The picture varies from half
decent to crap and I have 21 channels. I cant get any channel five, any
five life or similar .
I have 80 odd on my old TV which tunes to Plympton. Why is the new TV
trying to tune itself into Caradon Hill when the aerial points to Plympton?
Why wont it pick up the right signals? It actually tells me on the search
monitor its looking for channels in Caradon Hill. Of course the picture is
crap! The aerial is pointing to Plympton and Caradon is hiding behind Kit
hill. The signal is poor from there ( thats why we point to Plympton in the
first place!)
Is there anyway I can get it to recognize that my aerial is pointing to
Plymouth and do as my old TV does? I have tried a manual search but it just
looks blank ( it gives a blank screen).
Why wont it pick up Plympton like the old TV and rubbish cheapie digibox
does?
Hope you understand what I am trying to ask.
Terry Casey
Your new TV is, presumably, more sensitive than your old box.
What happens when it scans is it starts from Ch 21 and works its way up
the band.
Caradon Hill Muxes are transmitted from Ch 21 to Ch 48 but Plympton uses
Ch 52 to Ch 67. So it sees the crap signals from Caradon Hill and before
it gets to the first Plympton mux its seen all of them from Caradon Hill
and thinks it's done!
Try to deceive the new TV. Feed it such a lousy signal that it can't see
the Caradon Hill muxes. As you have clear line of sight to Plymton, a
short piece of wire (a few inches) in place of the aerial may be sufficient.
Provided it sees and logs the all the Plymton muxes you can plug your
aerial back in and start watching.
You say the new TV has a manual search - can you tell it which channels
to scan? That would be an easier solution.
Terry
mike/lisa/claire
" mike/lisa/claire" <gardenof...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Oops sorry, made it work now. I moved the TV from the living room and the
main aerial and put it in the bedroom on the indoor aerial I have in there .
That also points to Plymouth
It wouldnt work at all because it couldnt get a signal. Caradon is totally
blinded from the bedroom ( large trees and seveal walls!) The aerial points
directly to Plymouth. Anywa, living in hope I asked the TV to re install.
It came up saying searching channel " Caradon Hill" ..... and then after a
while of hitting nothing it still said caradon Hill but started to pick up
channels. I know its picked up Plymouth because its picked up Channel five,
shopping channels and five life and fiuve US. You cant get any of those on
Caradon.
I still dont know why, but I fixed it.
Thought I should let you all know. I can go to bed and watch NCIS tonight
in colour now.
( the TV has replaced an old black and while portable set which was bought
back in the 1970's and given to me by my mother.
>
Colin Stamp
<gardenof...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>Why wont it pick up Plympton like the old TV and rubbish cheapie digibox
>does?
>
It could be that it has a crap algorithm for dealing with multiple
transmitters being receivable. Perhaps it scans from the lowest
frequency and finds a Caradon mux first. It then looks in the data
stream to find the frequencies of the other muxes, which'll all be
from Caradon too.
If you can make manual tune work, that should get around it. Otherwise
you could try leaving the aerial unplugged until after the TV has
scanned nearly to the first Plympton mux. Could be tricky tough...
Cheers,
Colin.
Roger Mills
mike/lisa/claire <gardenof...@btinternet.com> wrote:
I don't know anything about your particular set, but on my Philips set there
is a manual setup option (which I have never used) which apparently requires
you to specify the frequency which you want it to look for. Does yours say
something similar? Do you know the channel numbers (and hence frequencies)
on which each of 6 Plympton muxes operates? If not, see
http://www.dtg.org.uk/retailer/tx_sw.html for mux channel numbers and
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/terrestrial/tuning/ for frequencies - using the
last column (centre freq) for each channel.
Silly question: Don't suppose you've got more than one aerial, including one
pointing at Caradon Hill? If so, could you have accidentally connected your
new set to the wrong one, or are their downleads combined in some way? I ask
because the chances of picking up anything from Caradon Hill (horizontally
polarised, and channel numbers in the 20s and 30s) with an aerial designed
to pick up Plympton (vertically polarised, and channel numbers in the 50s
and 60s) is pretty close to zero - so there's definitely something odd
happening here!
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Marky P
I believe Plympton is a relay of Caradon Hill, therefore it will show
up as Caradon Hill on your telly. But, it was obvious that the crap
signals you were getiing were actually from Caradon Hill, but now
you've managed to banish those nasty weak signals you're telly is now
happily tuned to Plympton, but will still show up as Caradon Hill,
even though it's not.
It's Friday and I need a drink.
Marky P.
mike/lisa/claire
"Marky P" <bromham_ho...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Just curiosity this - if Plympton is a relay from Caradon Hill how come it
has channel five and five life on it and the main Caradon Hill transmitter
does not?
Roger Mills
mike/lisa/claire <gardenof...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
> Just curiosity this - if Plympton is a relay from Caradon Hill how
> come it has channel five and five life on it and the main Caradon
> Hill transmitter does not?
Do you *know* that Caradon Hill doesn't carry thrm - or simply that your set
didn't *detect* these channels on the Caradon Hill transmitter? Since it's a
miracle that you got anything at all, you almost certainly didn't manage to
tune in to *all* of the muxes - so some groups of channels will appear to
have been missing.
Dave Farrance
>Just curiosity this - if Plympton is a relay from Caradon Hill how come it
>has channel five and five life on it and the main Caradon Hill transmitter
>does not?
Caradon Hill does carry five etc., but you might not be able to pick
those up at the fringe.
And I'll repeat what others have said: Your TV is remarkably crap for
locking onto the first transmitter that it finds rather than checking for
transmitters of higher power. Most digital receivers, including your
cheap digibox it seems, are capable of selecting the strongest
transmitter.
--
Dave Farrance
charles
mike/lisa/claire <gardenof...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Just curiosity this - if Plympton is a relay from Caradon Hill how come
> it has channel five and five life on it and the main Caradon Hill
> transmitter does not?
Caradon does have these services, but they're on channel 48. This will
bend down less over the intervening hills and is possibly not reaching you,
if you're in the Plympton service area,
--
From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey"
Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11
Mark Carver
> I believe Plympton is a relay of Caradon Hill, therefore it will show
> up as Caradon Hill on your telly. But, it was obvious that the crap
> signals you were getiing were actually from Caradon Hill, but now
> you've managed to banish those nasty weak signals you're telly is now
> happily tuned to Plympton, but will still show up as Caradon Hill,
> even though it's not.
It's a bit of BBC/NGW/Arqiva madness. They name the DTT SIPSI server after the
region's primary transmitter, (in this case Caradon,) rather than the regional
or sub regional name (South West-Central). Causes no end of confusion.
People in North Wales wonder why they're receiving Wenvoe for example.
Stiil, the broadcasters obviously know best :-)
--
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Carpy
" mike/lisa/claire" <gardenof...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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I think the easiest method would be to just unplug the aerial feed until it
tunes past channel 48 then plug it back in quickly so it picks up the first
mux on 52
Job done!
Paul Ratcliffe
wrote:
> the chances of picking up anything from Caradon Hill (horizontally
> polarised, and channel numbers in the 20s and 30s) with an aerial designed
> to pick up Plympton (vertically polarised, and channel numbers in the 50s
> and 60s) is pretty close to zero - so there's definitely something odd
> happening here!
Rubbish. I picked up significant amounts of Mendip on my old aerial when
it was pointed at the local relay. That was group A channels against C/D,
vertical against horizontal, and almost a 90 degree difference in direction.
I grant you this was with analogue and the digital margin is a lot smaller
but even so it's not as impossible as you make out.
(I even get scratchy Stockland Hill analogue now and I'm down a hole in
North Somerset.)
I get a similar effect now with Wenvoe channels taking priority over Mendip.
Wenvoe analogue is unwatchable but I get 3 of its multiplexes most of the
time, although it stutters and blocks constantly.
It is very tedious to get the automatic scan to work and I gave up and did
it manually.
PeeGee
[snip]
> I get a similar effect now with Wenvoe channels taking priority over Mendip.
> Wenvoe analogue is unwatchable but I get 3 of its multiplexes most of the
> time, although it stutters and blocks constantly.
> It is very tedious to get the automatic scan to work and I gave up and did
> it manually.
You're not trying hard enough :-)
I have been able to watch Scrum V on C51 (admittedly it needed a "strong
following wind") 1 mile from the Surrey border with Hants/Berks on a
wideband aerial aligned for Hannington and, before there are comments,
the picture was far, far better than the FIVE picture from Hannington
(which isn't difficult). The picture's much better using a digibox,
though ;-)
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Bill Wright
"Dave Farrance" <DaveFa...@OMiTTHiSyahooANDTHiS.co.uk> wrote in message
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>" mike/lisa/claire" <gardenof...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> And I'll repeat what others have said: Your TV is remarkably crap for
> locking onto the first transmitter that it finds rather than checking for
> transmitters of higher power. Most digital receivers, including your
> cheap digibox it seems, are capable of selecting the strongest
> transmitter.
In the early days this was a major problem, but nowadays most new tellys
seem to be able to sort out the right muxes. I'd be interested to know what
criteria TV sets and boxes apply to muxes and analogue channels when sorting
them. A curiousity the other day was the behaviour of four brand new Sonys
of varying screen sizes. They were all connected to the same TV distribution
system, and all did the usual beautifully efficient auto-tune, except for
one thing. They all latched on to a terribly weak and ghosty ITV analogue on
ch 24, allocating the good strong ch47 signal to position 11. I thought this
was very odd because they all ignored lots of signals that were much better
than the ch24. These days I generally find Sonys and Panasonics a joy to
install because they normally do a faultless auto-tune. Although LGs have
improved massively, I am not surprised with them if I have to spend a good
long time manually shuffling channels. The worst of all are the ones that
appear to be computer monitors with tunes botched into them. Some of these
are actually impossible to tune in a reasonable time and I have thrown the
towel in more than once, explaining the problem to the customer and
suggesting that they would be better to sit and manually tune everything
rather than pay me. This situation arises acutely when there are CCTV
channels that all have to put in the correct order. I always arrange the
channels so that an efficient autotune will put 1 to 5 as normal, 6 and 7
for satellite (there's usually two), and the cameras and multiplex screen in
the right order on 8 upwards. When the sequence ends at 18 or 20 or
thereabouts it is easily possible to spend a full working day tuning in a
houseful of these horrid tellys. These sets also have faults in which they
are obviously interfering with themselves. I've also seen them refuse to
work properly on the signal from a good camera via a good modulator, despite
all possible adjustment of video gain and RF level. A recent sample had a
problem whereby the reception of IR signals from the handset (during volume
adjustment for instance) caused Tetra-like interference on the screen. By
contrast, a decent set will autotune all the channels as described above
perfectly, and display all pictures without problems.
Bill
.
Mark Carver
> A curiousity the other day was the behaviour of four brand new Sonys
> of varying screen sizes. They were all connected to the same TV distribution
> system, and all did the usual beautifully efficient auto-tune, except for
> one thing. They all latched on to a terribly weak and ghosty ITV analogue on
> ch 24, allocating the good strong ch47 signal to position 11. I thought this
> was very odd because they all ignored lots of signals that were much better
> than the ch24. These days I generally find Sonys and Panasonics a joy to
> install because they normally do a faultless auto-tune.
There's another odd thing I've discovered about Sonys in my area, I've
installed and set up about a dozen, all of them on Hannington.
For some reason C4 analogue jitters horizontally on all of them. Different
houses in different parts of the service area. I've looked at C4 via a
professional demodulator and waveform monitor at work, and can see nothing
wrong. It's academic of course because C4 analogue on an LCD screen looks even
worse than C4 DTT on an LCD screen ;-)
Terry Casey
<snip>
> I've also seen them refuse to
> work properly on the signal from a good camera via a good modulator, despite
> all possible adjustment of video gain and RF level.
>
<snip>
>
> Bill
> .
I once used a LMS with a 4" CRT which incorporated monitoring facilties.
This worked fine on broadcast standard (vestigial sideband) signal but
didn't like double sideband signals at all - could there be a connection?
Terry
Bill Wright
"Terry Casey" <k.t...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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I don't think so in this case because one of these jobs used the same
modulators for the two Sky boxes (internal modulators not used) as for the
CCTV and there was no problem there. Nor was there a problem with all of the
cameras -- just some of them. Actually now I come to think it's two
different types of dome camera that do it -- a Vision one and an expensive
all-singing/dancing one (can't remember the brand). The fault doesn't
usually look like a tuning/RF type of thing. It tends to show up as a
pulling of reds for instance. Some of these cameras have sophisicated OSD
driven adjustments, and it would probably be possible to set them so the
fault doesn't show up, at the expense of accurate colour rendition on the
'good' tellys. I haven't tried, other than reducing video gain, which didn't
help. No way am I going to set the camera up for a washed out display on the
main tellys just for the sake of some shitbag thing they've bought for the
kids or the nanny.
By the way, it's astonishing how CCTV gear continues to improve and get
cheaper. I've just used a dome camera that cost £170 and the performance is
as good as a Sanyo and a Panasonic, both of which were bought four years ago
and both of which cost over £400.
Bill
Doctor D
"PeeGee" <trie...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:fqsg6m$mcf$1...@aioe.org...
> Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
> [snip]
>> I get a similar effect now with Wenvoe channels taking priority over
>> Mendip.
>> Wenvoe analogue is unwatchable but I get 3 of its multiplexes most of the
>> time, although it stutters and blocks constantly.
>> It is very tedious to get the automatic scan to work and I gave up and
>> did
>> it manually.
>
> You're not trying hard enough :-)
>
> I have been able to watch Scrum V on C51 (admittedly it needed a "strong
> following wind") 1 mile from the Surrey border with Hants/Berks on a
> wideband aerial aligned for Hannington and, before there are comments, the
> picture was far, far better than the FIVE picture from Hannington (which
> isn't difficult). The picture's much better using a digibox, though ;-)
>
When I lived in Camberley I could receive Wenvoe and Mendip during lifts on
the Hannington aerial, whilst C4 from Crystal Palace was totally drowned by
that notorious Dutch(?) station.
Doctor D
>> I believe Plympton is a relay of Caradon Hill, therefore it will show
>> up as Caradon Hill on your telly. But, it was obvious that the crap
>> signals you were getiing were actually from Caradon Hill, but now
>> you've managed to banish those nasty weak signals you're telly is now
>> happily tuned to Plympton, but will still show up as Caradon Hill,
>> even though it's not.
>
>
> Just curiosity this - if Plympton is a relay from Caradon Hill how come it
> has channel five and five life on it and the main Caradon Hill transmitter
> does not?
Shome confushon here.........CH does transmit ALL the Five channels via
digital, but not analogue.
Plympton transmits Five analogue as well as the Five digital channels.
Plympton is an off-air fed relay of CH for channels 1-4, but AFAICR analogue
Five is satellite fed.
PeeGee
Must have a look for Mendip next time it happens :-) (As long as it's
not behind the FP hospital chimneys!)
Mark Carver
> ......whilst C4 from Crystal Palace was totally drowned by
> that notorious Dutch(?) station.
Goes, I think ?
http://home.planet.nl/~ploe2070/fmtv/mast6/goes-toren.jpg
mike/lisa/claire
"Roger Mills" <watt....@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> mike/lisa/claire <gardenof...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> Just curiosity this - if Plympton is a relay from Caradon Hill how
>> come it has channel five and five life on it and the main Caradon
>> Hill transmitter does not?
>
> Do you *know* that Caradon Hill doesn't carry thrm - or simply that your
> set didn't *detect* these channels on the Caradon Hill transmitter? Since
> it's a miracle that you got anything at all, you almost certainly didn't
> manage to tune in to *all* of the muxes - so some groups of channels will
> appear to have been missing.
No, whilst I am not bright on many things, I am absolutely certain that
Caradon Hill does not cary channel 5 and the others. Its a bone of
contention in my area. If close enough to get to the Plympton transmitter
you do it because you get all the channels. Caradon doesnt carry them and
people complain all the time.
I have even been told previously in this newsgropup that Caradon Hill will
not carry all the channles until the old analogue signal is switched off in
2009/ 10
So my question remains - why can Plympton carry Channel Five if it is a
relay of Caradon Hill and Caradon Hill does not carry them? As I said, just
curiosity here and a wich to learn.
And why do you think its a miracle I got any channels at all? I have always
had a first class signal from Plympton where I live. I do have all the
channels on my big telly and I now have all the channels on my little new
one, thanks to a bit of help here.
charles
mike/lisa/claire <gardenof...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> So my question remains - why can Plympton carry Channel Five if it is a
> relay of Caradon Hill and Caradon Hill does not carry them? As I said,
> just curiosity here and a wich to learn.
The use of the uhf bands in the UK was planned on the basis of 4 services
providing, as near as possible, national coverage. (It's about 99%).
Then the government of the day decided that a fifth service was 'needed'.
This had to be shoehorned in to an almost full spectrum without affecting
existing services. Remember that these "existing services" are not just in
the UK but in neighbouring countries: France, Ireland, Belgium,
Netherlands. At Mendip, for example, the coverage of Ch5 is severely
restricted towards the South, to avoid interference in France and quite a
few sites near the south coast have no Ch5 - Caradon Hill amongst them.
Roger Mills
mike/lisa/claire <gardenof...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> No, whilst I am not bright on many things, I am absolutely certain
> that Caradon Hill does not cary channel 5 and the others. Its a bone
> of contention in my area. If close enough to get to the Plympton
> transmitter you do it because you get all the channels. Caradon
> doesnt carry them and people complain all the time.
>
> I have even been told previously in this newsgropup that Caradon Hill
> will not carry all the channles until the old analogue signal is
> switched off in 2009/ 10
>
> So my question remains - why can Plympton carry Channel Five if it is
> a relay of Caradon Hill and Caradon Hill does not carry them? As I
> said, just curiosity here and a wich to learn.
>
I would seriously suggest that you have been misinformed! Caradon Hill
carries all six digital multiplexes - and hence *all* the digital channels.
The problem is that that Mux A - which carries Channel 5 plus a lot of
others - is on Channel 48, which is well outside the range of a Group A
aerial - whereas all the other muxes (and all the analog channels) are
within Group A. So it isn't a case that Channel 5 isn't there, but simply
that people can't receive it with their existing aerials. [It may well be
that, when the analog channels are switched off, the frequencies will be
re-aligned to bring Mux A within the Group A aerial range - which may
account for the story that you won't be able to get Chan 5 until then].
> And why do you think its a miracle I got any channels at all? I have
> always had a first class signal from Plympton where I live. I do have
> all the channels on my big telly and I now have all the channels on
> my little new one, thanks to a bit of help here.
Sorry, I was specifically talking about Caradon Hill, and saying it was a
miracle you could get anything from there, using an aerial aligned and
orientated for Plympton. I would, of course, expect you to be able to pick
up Plympton ok.
Roger Mills
I think you're talking about Ch5 *analog* - whereas this discussion is about
the mux which carries the *digital* version.
Mark Carver
> No, whilst I am not bright on many things, I am absolutely certain that
> Caradon Hill does not cary channel 5 and the others. Its a bone of
> contention in my area. If close enough to get to the Plympton
> transmitter you do it because you get all the channels. Caradon doesnt
> carry them and people complain all the time.
To reconfirm what others have said. Caradon Hill *does* carry C5 digitally, it
does *not* carry C5 analogue. The reason many cannot receive it on Freeview,
is because it's carried on Mux A, which from Caradon is on UHF Ch 48, well
outside of the aerial Group A. Many people will still have Group A aerials,
which is the original analogue only grouping for Caradon.
I've already explained all this to you a few months ago in this group.
> I have even been told previously in this newsgropup that Caradon Hill
> will not carry all the channles until the old analogue signal is
> switched off in 2009/ 10
Caradon Hill has always carried all six DTT muxes (i.e. all available
channels) since Nov 1998. After DSO next year they will have their power
boosted, and all be moved into aerial Group A
>
> So my question remains - why can Plympton carry Channel Five if it is a
> relay of Caradon Hill and Caradon Hill does not carry them? As I said,
> just curiosity here and a wich to learn.
Channel 5's feed signal (for analogue *and* DTT) is distributed to most of the
transmitter sites (inc Plympton) by satellite, not by off reception of another
transmitter. FYI the other Freeview services are fed by fibre optic cable to
both Caradon and Plympton.
charles
Roger Mills <watt....@googlemail.com> wrote:
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> charles <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <x72dnejVm7auCU7a...@bt.com>,
> > mike/lisa/claire <gardenof...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> So my question remains - why can Plympton carry Channel Five if it
> >> is a relay of Caradon Hill and Caradon Hill does not carry them? As
> >> I said, just curiosity here and a wich to learn.
> >
> > The use of the uhf bands in the UK was planned on the basis of 4
> > services providing, as near as possible, national coverage. (It's
> > about 99%).
> >
> > Then the government of the day decided that a fifth service was
> > 'needed'. This had to be shoehorned in to an almost full spectrum
> > without affecting existing services. Remember that these "existing
> > services" are not just in the UK but in neighbouring countries:
> > France, Ireland, Belgium, Netherlands. At Mendip, for example, the
> > coverage of Ch5 is severely restricted towards the South, to avoid
> > interference in France and quite a few sites near the south coast
> > have no Ch5 - Caradon Hill amongst them.
> I think you're talking about Ch5 *analog* - whereas this discussion is
> about the mux which carries the *digital* version.
I am, because it was in context. Ch5 analogue is not carried by Caradon,
but is by Plympton.
Roger Mills
charles <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <63hphqF...@mid.individual.net>,
> Roger Mills <watt....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think you're talking about Ch5 *analog* - whereas this discussion
>> is about the mux which carries the *digital* version.
>
> I am, because it was in context. Ch5 analogue is not carried by
> Caradon, but is by Plympton.
But that's not what the OP was complaining about - the clue is in the title!
<g>
charles
Roger Mills <watt....@googlemail.com> wrote:
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> charles <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <63hphqF...@mid.individual.net>,
> > Roger Mills <watt....@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I think you're talking about Ch5 *analog* - whereas this discussion
> >> is about the mux which carries the *digital* version.
> >
> > I am, because it was in context. Ch5 analogue is not carried by
> > Caradon, but is by Plympton.
> But that's not what the OP was complaining about - the clue is in the
> title! <g>
and the topic moved on.
mike/lisa/claire
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> charles <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In article <63hphqF...@mid.individual.net>,
>> Roger Mills <watt....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think you're talking about Ch5 *analog* - whereas this discussion
>>> is about the mux which carries the *digital* version.
>>
>> I am, because it was in context. Ch5 analogue is not carried by
>> Caradon, but is by Plympton.
>
> But that's not what the OP was complaining about - the clue is in the
> title! <g>
FWIW, Plympton carries both analogue and digital signals from channel 5.
Caradon carries neither channel five on analogue nor does it carry any of
the Channel 5 and its associates on digital.
But I was talking about digital. My new TV is a digital one. My old TV
runs with a digi box. I dont use analogue signals in my house any more.
Andy Burns
> Caradon carries neither channel five on analogue nor does it carry any
> of the Channel 5 and its associates on digital.
I'd be inclined to believe Mark Carver, just because you can't receive
it, doesn't mean Caradon doesn't transmit it.
http://www.ukfree.tv/txdetail.php?a=SX273707
http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/caradonhill/index.php
mike/lisa/claire
"Andy Burns" <usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote in message
news:13t7jef...@corp.supernews.com...
> On 09/03/2008 11:30, mike/lisa/claire wrote:
>
>> Caradon carries neither channel five on analogue nor does it carry any of
>> the Channel 5 and its associates on digital.
>
> I'd be inclined to believe Mark Carver, just because you can't receive it,
> doesn't mean Caradon doesn't transmit it.
I can receieve it because I tune to Plympton. Ask around the area ( SE
Cornwall, all those who tune to Caradon are without channel five and its
associates. It pisses themn off ( to put it mildly) because I get it and
they dont. I know loads tuned to Caradon Hill ( around Liskeard) all are
without channel five.
Do you come from round here?
Believe what you like, it wont change the facts.
mike/lisa/claire
>
> "Andy Burns" <usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:13t7jef...@corp.supernews.com...
>> On 09/03/2008 11:30, mike/lisa/claire wrote:
>>
>> I'd be inclined to believe Mark Carver, just because you can't receive
>> it, doesn't mean Caradon doesn't transmit it.
And by the way, I am pretty annoyed. I like advice and I like to learn. I
dont need people from up the line " thinking" and folowing dust carts
believeing its a funeral.
If you know OK. Otherwise to be honest I think you are bloody arrogant.
There said it.
Dave Farrance
>" mike/lisa/claire" <gardenof...@btinternet.com> wrote
>>
>> "Andy Burns" <usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote
>>> I'd be inclined to believe Mark Carver, just because you can't receive
>>> it, doesn't mean Caradon doesn't transmit it.
>
>And by the way, I am pretty annoyed. I like advice and I like to learn. I
>dont need people from up the line " thinking" and folowing dust carts
>believeing its a funeral.
>
>If you know OK. Otherwise to be honest I think you are bloody arrogant.
>There said it.
;-)
Look at this webpage below, and scroll down to the red bar marked "dual
running". You'll see that on its right, Mux-A which contains Caradon
Hill's digital Channel Five, is marked in purple, meaning "out of group",
which means that its reception is problematic for some aerials.
http://www.ukfree.tv/txdetail.php?a=SX273707
--
Dave Farrance
Ron Morgan
Perhaps you'll believe OfCom...
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That's cc L 4
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charles
mike/lisa/claire <gardenof...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> "Andy Burns" <usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:13t7jef...@corp.supernews.com...
> > On 09/03/2008 11:30, mike/lisa/claire wrote:
> >
> >> Caradon carries neither channel five on analogue nor does it carry any
> >> of the Channel 5 and its associates on digital.
> >
> > I'd be inclined to believe Mark Carver, just because you can't receive
> > it, doesn't mean Caradon doesn't transmit it.
> I can receieve it because I tune to Plympton. Ask around the area ( SE
> Cornwall, all those who tune to Caradon are without channel five and its
> associates.
This is because they are still using their old aerial for analogue Caradon
- Group A. The multiplex which carries Ch5 is broadcast on uhf channel 48
which is a long way outside the frequency range of those aerials. They
need to replace their aerial with a wideband one.
Adrian
In this case you're the one who is being bloody arrogant, as has been
pointed out by more than one person, five *is* available on Freeview from
Caradon! Mux A which is which includes five is on channel 48 most people in
that area will have group A aerials which shouldn't be able to pick up C48.
By saying otherwise you're calling others on this group liars and that
really pisses me off. I think you owe Andy an apology.
Andy Burns
> Do you come from round here?
Nope, is that relevant?
> Believe what you like, it wont change the facts.
I'm sorry, but you are confusing the muddled beliefs and opinions of
people in your area with facts.
Andy Burns
> And by the way, I am pretty annoyed. I like advice and I like to learn.
You seem to have been happy with advice you received here in the past,
but you don't show much sign of wanting to learn now
> If you know OK. Otherwise to be honest I think you are bloody arrogant.
> There said it.
The Caradon Hill transmitter exists, it does transmit MUX A, mux A does
include channel five, FACT, FACT, FACT. The reason(s) various people may
not be able to receive it are a different matter.
mike/lisa/claire
"charles" <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4f7d60af...@charleshope.demon.co.uk...
No they are not. They have brand new aerials up. My mother has one but she
cant get five. She is livid I am near enough to Plymouth to do it. I have
new aerials ( all of mine are wide gain and indoor now because I stopped
using the rooftop one which was old and pointed to Caradon ( before they
opened Plympton) .
I was even told in this newsgroup by people better placed obviously that
Caradon doesnt carry channel five. But Plymouth has always had channel
five. I guess what the poster said about Caradon not carrying channel five
because of interference with foreign stations is close to correct ( because
I sometimes get interference from foreign channels on the TV set) . I guess
Plympton doesn't have that problem ( which he also said).
Telling me from Leafy Surry isn't good enough. I live high on the valley
side in rural Cornwall.
And you still insist?
Andy Burns
> I was even told in this newsgroup by people better placed obviously that
> Caradon doesnt carry channel five.
It doesn't transmit Five on analogue, but it *DOES* on digital, why do
you not believe several people and websites?
Adrian
You're making yourself look really stupid now. Next you'll be arguing black
is white.
Mark Carver
> mike/lisa/claire wrote:
>>
>> And you still insist?
>
> You're making yourself look really stupid now. Next you'll be arguing black
> is white......
......and get run over on a Zebra Crossing.
(RIP Douglas Adams)
mike/lisa/claire
Your fact contradicts mine ( and others ) experience. I dont know anyone
who can get channel 5 on digital ( or analogue) from Caradon - new aerial
or new TV
So your evidence is?
Andy Burns
> Your fact contradicts mine ( and others ) experience.
You are confusing facts and experience, the fact that something is
transmitted doesn't guarantee a satisfactory reception experience.
> I dont know
> anyone who can get channel 5 on digital ( or analogue) from Caradon -
> new aerial or new TV
Just because you don't know anybody who does, doesn't mean everybody
can't; some of your friends may not have digital, some may not have a
proper aerial, some might be using the wrong transmitter, some might
live in the poor reception area, some might be confused.
I am willing to believe some people have difficulty receiving Five from
Caradon. Are you willing to believe it *is* actually transmitted from
there and *some* people do receive it?
Mark Carver
> So your evidence is?
Apart from the evidence already presented to you by many, including some who
are broadcast engineers, the Ofcom web site, the DTG web site, and other
sources, how about Post 4 here ? :-
Or
mike/lisa/claire
You could ask me to believe the world is flat and I believe genuinely that
some people do believe that to be the case. However I would prefer some
proof.
You may be able to hold belief, I can believe that you believe it ( because
you state it) but I will not believe Caradon transmits channel five without
some evidence.
What makes you think that not everyone has digital down here now? What makes
you think we are all still on old aerials? Some may indeed be but the
evidence of my experience is that many do have both new aerial and new TV .
I also know from experience that they do not get channel five.
I also know because it has always been the case in my thirty years of living
here and it was publicized at the time, that Caradon Hill does not carry
channel five.
If that has changed in the last 12 months , where is your evidence?
I do not think it is a lot to ask for evidence is it?
mike/lisa/claire
"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:63ipaoF...@mid.individual.net...
> mike/lisa/claire wrote:
>
>> So your evidence is?
>
> Apart from the evidence already presented to you by many, including some
> who are broadcast engineers, the Ofcom web site, the DTG web site, and
> other sources, how about Post 4 here ? :-
But all you have given me is more people in newsgroups who think that they
might be on Caradon Hill but might just getting signals from Redruth ( in
the same way as I am on Caradon Hill but I know I get my sugnal from
Plympton.
You also showed a thread there where someone who was just 17 miles from
Caradon Hill and was on that transmitter and said they did not get channel
five and also believed that Caradon did not transmit that signal! I accept
that it was suggested that Caradon was transmitting the signal but very
weakly. I would suggest if a signal from Caradon Hill, 17 miles away across
high ground ( I know the area) is being transmitted so weakly it cannot be
received then frankly its might as well not be transmitted!
To send out a whisper and then get upset when no one hears your call for
help is a bit silly inst it? I would say the same applies to a TV signal
that can only be picked up if you are sitting underneath the transmitter
with a great boom amplifer. Its as good as not transmitting.
Sorry but I do not accept your argument.
Mark Carver
>
> "Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:63ipaoF...@mid.individual.net...
>> mike/lisa/claire wrote:
>>
>>> So your evidence is?
>>
>> Apart from the evidence already presented to you by many, including
>> some who are broadcast engineers, the Ofcom web site, the DTG web
>> site, and other sources, how about Post 4 here ? :-
>
> But all you have given me is more people in newsgroups who think that
> they might be on Caradon Hill but might just getting signals from
> Redruth
NO ! They say on UHF Ch 48, Redruth Mux A is Ch 45.
http://www.dtg.org.uk/retailer/tx_sw.html
(Oh look, it also mentions Mux A at Caradon on 48)
> You also showed a thread there where someone who was just 17 miles from
> Caradon Hill and was on that transmitter and said they did not get
> channel five and also believed that Caradon did not transmit that
> signal!
Yes, the person in Post 3 who said, Quote,
"Caradon hill does not transmit channel 5 analogue".
That's right, Caradon does NOT transmit C5 *analogue*.
> I accept that it was suggested that Caradon was transmitting the
> signal but very weakly. I would suggest if a signal from Caradon Hill,
> 17 miles away across high ground ( I know the area) is being transmitted
> so weakly it cannot be received then frankly its might as well not be
> transmitted!
DTT muxes at some transmitters are far weaker than optimum and/or
geographically restricted in some directions. Here in the Thames Valley
Hannington transmits a very weak DTT signal for all six muxes in a easterly
direction, that's because of interference concerns. If you lived in
Farnborough you be on here telling us all that Hannington does not carry
Freeview, period. Well actually it does.
> To send out a whisper and then get upset when no one hears your call
> for help is a bit silly inst it? I would say the same applies to a TV
> signal that can only be picked up if you are sitting underneath the
> transmitter with a great boom amplifer. Its as good as not transmitting.
>
> Sorry but I do not accept your argument.
I'm not going to waste any more time with you, I'm beginning to suspect you're
nothing more than a troll. Goodbye.
(And decide what your bloody name is)
Roger Mills
I don't really know why I'm bothering to reply when you're clearly not
listening, but if you want evidence, try this:
First go to http://www.dtg.org.uk/retailer/tx_sw.html and look at the
Caradon Hill row in the first table. You will see that CH transmits all 6
muxes on the following UHF channels:
Mux 1 on 34, Mux 2 on 31, Mux A on 48, Mux B on 21, Mux C on 24 and Mux D on
27
Note, in particular, that Mux A exists.
*Then* go to http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/terrestrial/mux/ and scroll down to
find out what is on Multiplex A. Are you sitting comfortably? Can you see
that the second one down says "five"?
So if you are within the CH service area, and have an aerial capable of
receiving UHF channel 48, pointing in the right direction, you will get Mux
A - with CH5 and all the other stuff it carries, QVC, Bid TV - whatever they
are.
I don't expect you to believe me - but what more can I do? A lot of people -
myself included - answered your initial query and tried really hard to help
you sort your problem - and all you do in return is to say that we are all a
load of idiots. Let's hope you don't get any more problems, because you
won't get much sympathy here next time.
tony sayer
<gardenof...@btinternet.com> scribeth thus
>
>"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>news:63ipaoF...@mid.individual.net...
>> mike/lisa/claire wrote:
>>
>>> So your evidence is?
>>
>> Apart from the evidence already presented to you by many, including some
>> who are broadcast engineers, the Ofcom web site, the DTG web site, and
>> other sources, how about Post 4 here ? :-
>
>But all you have given me is more people in newsgroups who think that they
>might be on Caradon Hill but might just getting signals from Redruth ( in
>the same way as I am on Caradon Hill but I know I get my sugnal from
>Plympton.
>
>You also showed a thread there where someone who was just 17 miles from
>Caradon Hill and was on that transmitter and said they did not get channel
>five and also believed that Caradon did not transmit that signal! I accept
>that it was suggested that Caradon was transmitting the signal but very
>weakly. I would suggest if a signal from Caradon Hill, 17 miles away across
>high ground ( I know the area) is being transmitted so weakly it cannot be
>received then frankly its might as well not be transmitted!
Well Sandy Heath in Bedfordshire transmits channel 5 on 10 kW compared
to the 1 megawatt of the other analogue channels and the channel 5 one
is on a -very- directional aerial to boot!..
But they consider doing it all the same;!..
--
Tony Sayer
charles
<gardenof...@btinternet.com> wrote:
Channel 5 ANALOGUE, and I explained why, earlier.
> But Plymouth has always had channel
> five. I guess what the poster said about Caradon not carrying channel
> five because of interference with foreign stations is close to correct (
> because I sometimes get interference from foreign channels on the TV
> set) . I guess Plympton doesn't have that problem ( which he also said).
> Telling me from Leafy Surry isn't good enough.
So, I've been to Cornwall on many occasions.
> And you still insist?
Yes.
Colum Mylod
<mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Doctor D wrote:
>> ......whilst C4 from Crystal Palace was totally drowned by
>> that notorious Dutch(?) station.
>
>Goes, I think ?
>
>http://home.planet.nl/~ploe2070/fmtv/mast6/goes-toren.jpg
Probably Lopik. C4 (CP) would be E30 as was Ned. 3 from Lopik. Too
late now to confirm by looking for E27 Ned 2 as all analogue is gone.
--
Old anti-spam address cmylod at despammed dot com appears broke
So back to cmylod at bigfoot dot com
Mark Carver
> On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 20:15:18 +0000, Mark Carver
>
> >Doctor D wrote:
> >> ......whilst C4 from Crystal Palace was totally drowned by
> >> that notorious Dutch(?) station.
>
> >Goes, I think ?
>
> >http://home.planet.nl/~ploe2070/fmtv/mast6/goes-toren.jpg
>
> Probably Lopik. C4 (CP) would be E30 as was Ned. 3 from Lopik. Too
> late now to confirm by looking for E27 Ned 2 as all analogue is gone.
You're spot on, my mistake, I've just had a dig around and found
this:-
http://www.vakantieweblog.eu/prive/analogetv/analoge_tv2.html
Lopik was 4, 27, 30
Goes was 29, 32, 35
Bill Wright
Moor, doesn't transmit Channel Five and it never has. I've been trying to
tell this lot on here for years but will they have it? Will they buggery!
Some people round here can get Channel 5 and they think it comes from Emley,
but in fact it comes from Winter Hill, which is in the same direction. Also,
you can get Channel 5 here from Belmont and from Bilsdale, so there's a lot
of scope for confusion.
The dickheads on here point to OFCOM and MB21 and the Channel Five
transmitter information and lots of other sources of information, but what
they don't seem to be able to get into their thick skulls is that all that
information has been copied from one website to another, and it all goes
back to one source, which is wrong. When Channel 5 was originally planned it
was going to transmitted from Emley Moor on Ch37, but at the last minute
they realised that it would clash with Litchfield, which was also planned
for ch37. So they simply dropped the Emley Moor transmission. But by then
the information was on the internet and you know how it is, it goes round
and round and just can't be corrected once it's there.
But believe me, there's no Channel 5, either analogue or digital, from Emley
Moor.
Bill
Roger Mills
>
> But believe me, there's no Channel 5, either analogue or digital,
> from Emley Moor.
>
> Bill
All very interesting - we obviously need to bottom this out.
We can forget about analog Ch5 - 'cos that's not what this is all about, and
we all know that a lot of people can't get that.
But digital is another matter. You would clearly not say that no-one can get
Ch5 digital from Elmley Moor without good reason - so we need to understand
why the on-line information is wrong, if indeed it is.
According to http://www.dtg.org.uk/retailer/tx_n.html Elmley Moor transmits
Mux A on UHF Channel 43. Are you saying that Elmley Moor *doesn't* carry Mux
A, or that it *does* but - for some reason - Ch5 doesn't feature in the Mux
A lineup from that transmitter, even though it does for most (all?) other
transmitters?
Mark Carver
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> > But believe me, there's no Channel 5, either analogue or digital,
> > from Emley Moor.
>
> > Bill
>
> All very interesting - we obviously need to bottom this out.
Roger, Roger, Roger, don't worry,
Irony often gets lost when posting on Usenet :-)
Doctor D
For the defence I submit that I was on holiday near Gunnislake last year and
took my old Panny TU-CT20 DVB box.
Had all 6 MUX's including Five on a Silver Sensor internal aerial from
Caradon Hill.
Also picked up a few weak signals from Plympton, but the channel numbers
tallied with CH, and reception was rock solid. I'm convinced.
Andy Burns
> You would clearly not say that no-one can get
> Ch5 digital from Elmley Moor without good reason - so we need to understand
> why the on-line information is wrong
You're not familiar with Bill's sense of humour are you?
Paul Ratcliffe
<gardenof...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> The Caradon Hill transmitter exists, it does transmit MUX A, mux A does
>> include channel five, FACT, FACT, FACT. The reason(s) various people may
>> not be able to receive it are a different matter.
>
> Your fact contradicts mine ( and others ) experience. I dont know anyone
> who can get channel 5 on digital ( or analogue) from Caradon - new aerial
> or new TV
Just because YOU don't know anyone who receives it doesn't mean it doesn't
happen. Caradon Hill does transmit ALL 6 multiplexes and therefore it
transmits channel 5 digital.
We have already established it does not transmit C5 analogue.
Why do you continue to stick your head in the sand over this? It doesn't
create a good impression...
> So your evidence is?
MB21; the Ofcom website to name but two.
Roger Mills
Apparently not! <g>
I'm sure the OP will have taken him seriously as further justification for
his stance.
Bill Wright
"Roger Mills" <watt....@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:63kujiF...@mid.individual.net...
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> Bill Wright <insertmybu...@f2s.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> But believe me, there's no Channel 5, either analogue or digital,
>> from Emley Moor.
>>
>> Bill
>
> All very interesting - we obviously need to bottom this out.
>
> We can forget about analog Ch5 - 'cos that's not what this is all about,
> and we all know that a lot of people can't get that.
>
> But digital is another matter. You would clearly not say that no-one can
> get Ch5 digital from Elmley Moor without good reason - so we need to
> understand why the on-line information is wrong, if indeed it is.
>
> According to http://www.dtg.org.uk/retailer/tx_n.html Elmley Moor
> transmits Mux A on UHF Channel 43. Are you saying that Elmley Moor
> *doesn't* carry Mux A, or that it *does* but - for some reason - Ch5
> doesn't feature in the Mux A lineup from that transmitter, even though it
> does for most (all?) other transmitters?
> --
> Cheers,
> Roger
Oh my God! What have I done?
Sorry Roger . . .
(slinks away)
Bill
Bill Wright
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
>
> Apparently not! <g>
Sorry! I'm embarrassed now.
Bill
Bill Wright
"Paul Ratcliffe" <ab...@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote in message
news:slrnftakuo...@news.pr.network...
Depends on whether he's got a nice bum or not . .
Bill
Andy Burns
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> Andy Burns <usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> You're not familiar with Bill's sense of humour are you?
>
> Apparently not! <g>
>
> I'm sure the OP will have taken him seriously as further justification for
> his stance.
I think that was the intention, and frankly I hope (s)he does.
Marky P
That's nothing! 'Round here, everyone thinks they get their telly
from Sandy Heath! What a bunch of wallys! SH doesn't broadcast
anything! In fact, it's not a tx mast at all, but a very long skewer
that goes straight through the earth and out the bottom into
austrailia. All TV and radio 'round here comes from a tree.
Marky P.
Mark Carver
>
> That's nothing! 'Round here, everyone thinks they get their telly
> from Sandy Heath! What a bunch of wallys! SH doesn't broadcast
> anything! In fact, it's not a tx mast at all, but a very long skewer
> that goes straight through the earth and out the bottom into
> austrailia. All TV and radio 'round here comes from a tree.
Shhhhhhhhhhh.......you'll wake Mr Armageddon or whatever he calls himself.
tony sayer
<bromham_ho...@yahoo.co.uk> scribeth thus
Now as it 'appens.. There was a pirate station in Cambridge back in the
80's that used trees to transmit from and very good they were too;).
Used a place called Little Trees hill oddly enough.....
--
Tony Sayer
Bill
<to...@bancom.co.uk> writes
>
>Now as it 'appens.. There was a pirate station in Cambridge back in the
>80's that used trees to transmit from and very good they were too;).
>
>Used a place called Little Trees hill oddly enough.....
Not to mention the lightning conductor on the chimney at Cheddars lane.
1975 ish on MW
--
Bill
Bill Wright
"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> Marky P wrote:
>>
>> That's nothing! 'Round here, everyone thinks they get their telly
>> from Sandy Heath! What a bunch of wallys! SH doesn't broadcast
>> anything! In fact, it's not a tx mast at all, but a very long skewer
>> that goes straight through the earth and out the bottom into
>> austrailia. All TV and radio 'round here comes from a tree.
>
> Shhhhhhhhhhh.......you'll wake Mr Armageddon or whatever he calls himself.
I'm a Madman?
Bill
Dave Farrance
>That's nothing! 'Round here, everyone thinks they get their telly
>from Sandy Heath! What a bunch of wallys! SH doesn't broadcast
>anything! In fact, it's not a tx mast at all, but a very long skewer
>that goes straight through the earth and out the bottom into
>austrailia. All TV and radio 'round here comes from a tree.
If you want to out-weird reality, you'll have to try harder.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/147039.stm
--
Dave Farrance
Marky P
OK, I got it wrong. All signals round here come from a stray dog.
Reception varies a bit depending on where the dog is at the time.
Marky P.
Woody
message news:4phdt3tvf4rhtt16a...@4ax.com...
Got a better one than that Dave.
Close to Brodsworth Hall just west of the top end of the A1(M) Doncaster
by-pass is a coniforous cellular tree - at least that is what it is
supposed to look like and it does a pretty good job, save for two
things.
It is a coniforous tree that is taller than its surrounding trees which
are all of a different type.
It has a white link dish sticking out of the side.
For those looking for it, as you come south towards the A638 exit at Red
House (start of A1(M) southbound) look forward right for one coniforous
tree sticking up near a farm. For a closer look exit at the A638, turn
towards Wakefield, then take the A1 northbound entry slip. Half way
along is a side road to Brodsworth. As you get to the cluster of
cellular masts you will see the tree with its white pimple over to the
right.
--
Woody
harrogate three at ntlworld dot com
Bill Wright
"Marky P" <bromham_ho...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:a2odt3thtpt5dc7dl...@4ax.com...
That's why spaniels sometimes have an aerial on top of their heads between
their ears.
Bill
Bill Wright
"Woody" <wo...@spamblock.com> wrote in message
news:TTBBj.21283$ki.1...@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
1. We were driving near Cannock Chase and Katie (5) said "Look at that funny
tree grandad!"
2. There's a ludicrous example on the left a few miles after you leave the
York ring road and go up the A64 to Malton.
Bill
Marky P
There's one in a garden centre in Letchworth that broadcasts Hertbeat
FM. Think it does phones too.
Marky P.
Mark Carver
> There's one in a garden centre in Letchworth that broadcasts Hertbeat
> FM. Think it does phones too.
The Hertbeat aerials are not on the 'tree' though
Marky P
Oh yes, you're right. I didn't bother checking first.
Marky P.
tony sayer
<bromham_ho...@yahoo.co.uk> scribeth thus
Thats possibly the one that has the Heartbeat TX on it!..
>Marky P.
>
--
Tony Sayer
Marky P
wrote:
It's Hertbeat. As in Herts. I think it is anyway. I wonder what
happened to the idea of local TV? There was going to be one in this
area called Herts TV but it never happened.
Marky P.
tony sayer
Its very expensive to produce and transmit and thats the main problem
most people haven't a clue how to tune their TV.
Also people have directional TV aerials and placing the RSL TV TX co
sited with a main Tx isn't a very clever idea. Take for instance
Cambridge served by Sandy Heath. Even if you were to site it at
Madingley some 2-3 miles Northwest of the city like the Ch 5 TV relay
is, very few aerials would and do catch it at that location. Here in
Trumpington just to the South of Cambridge and LOS to the Madingley site
its barely watchable unless your aerial is directed to it.
And they just don't get the power of a main station and Sandy is 1 MW on
analogue. However come DSO that all might change.....
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Tony Sayer