Germany has had Bernie Eccestone's digital F1 coverage for a year or two
now. Does anybody know.....
1) When it will be available in the UK?
2) Would extra hardware be required?
3) Will it work on Sky Digital (also see 4)?
4) Since ITV hold the rights would they only show it on OnDigital just to be
complete and utter gits?
5) How much would it cost?
6) Is it any good?
Ta,
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No date has been given yet, and they really seem to be dragging their
feet on this one. Ask me last October and I would have said it would be
availbale this season, but it isn't :(
>2) Would extra hardware be required?
Yep, a digital 'box', and possibly a satellite dish depending on where
it ends up. Current prices are about £200 quid which is extortion. It
will come down in price after a while.
>3) Will it work on Sky Digital (also see 4)?
Not sure what you mean...it will be on Sky digital if Sky get the
contract.
>4) Since ITV hold the rights would they only show it on OnDigital just to be
>complete and utter gits?
ITV *don't* hold the rights to digital F1. ITV have the rights to the
terrestial feed *only*. Although F1 is shown as a digital feed and a
terrestial feed the two things are entirely separate and contracts are
negotiated for the rights separately. AFAIK OnDigital will not have
enough bandwidth to show digital F1. Wait and see what happens, I think
it will go to Sky in the end.
>5) How much would it cost?
If PPV division 1 football matches are going out at 8 quid you can bet
on it being at least a tenner per race weekend. I wouldn't be surprised
if they get really greedy and price it at £17.95 or something like that.
Presumably there would be a discount for the whole season, and I think
it would also include practice sessions and other stuff.
>6) Is it any good?
Who knows...we never get to see it.
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Get the feck out.....
Latest guestimates are "after [premiership] football goes ppv".
>2) Would extra hardware be required?
Not known yet. Bernie and Rupert Murdoch were unable to agree on details
>3) Will it work on Sky Digital (also see 4)?
Not known yet. BCE & Murdoch unable to agree terms. OnDigital don't have
capacity for it, though.
>4) Since ITV hold the rights would they only show it on OnDigital just to be
>complete and utter gits?
No. ITV only have FTA rights, not digital PPV rights which are separate,
and Bernie owns. OnDigital don't have enough capacity for PPV F1.
>5) How much would it cost?
IIRC, in Germany it is about £50 a season or £8 a race.
>6) Is it any good?
I haven't seen it, so difficult to say.
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As a F1 and satellite TV nut I have been keeping my eyes open for info on
developments but I have seen no public domain clues so far.
>
>>2) Would extra hardware be required?
>
>Yep, a digital 'box', and possibly a satellite dish depending on where
>it ends up. Current prices are about £200 quid which is extortion. It
>will come down in price after a while.
Unless a new competitor system launches in the UK, which is *extremely*
unlikely, the only platforms capable of delivering the F1 multiplex to
significant UK audiences are OnDigital and SkyDigital, so you will need one
STB or the other, depending upon which broadcaster gets the contract and
which platform they choose to deliver it by. However, see (4) below.
>
>>3) Will it work on Sky Digital (also see 4)?
>
>Not sure what you mean...it will be on Sky digital if Sky get the
>contract.
Technologically speaking, SkyDigital is the most likely platform, because it
has higher capacity and can carry many more multiplexes. It also appears to
be gearing itself up (pardon the motoring pun) for PPV events more than
OnDigital. However, see (4) below.
>
>>4) Since ITV hold the rights would they only show it on OnDigital just to
be
>>complete and utter gits?
>
>ITV *don't* hold the rights to digital F1. ITV have the rights to the
>terrestial feed *only*. Although F1 is shown as a digital feed and a
>terrestial feed the two things are entirely separate and contracts are
>negotiated for the rights separately. AFAIK OnDigital will not have
>enough bandwidth to show digital F1. Wait and see what happens, I think
>it will go to Sky in the end.
IIRC, ITV has an *exclusive* contract for coverage in the UK until 2002 (I
shall e-mail them and check). Contracts can however be changed (in this
case I imagine that the FIA would have to offer substantial consideration).
>
>>5) How much would it cost?
>
>If PPV division 1 football matches are going out at 8 quid you can bet
>on it being at least a tenner per race weekend. I wouldn't be surprised
>if they get really greedy and price it at £17.95 or something like that.
>Presumably there would be a discount for the whole season, and I think
>it would also include practice sessions and other stuff.
I would agree with the above based upon the continental pricing, but I
suspect that if a UK broadcaster beleives they can deliver paying viewers as
easily as with footy, then the damage will be about twice this, i.e. perhaps
~GBP12 per round or ~GBP200 per season;
>
>>6) Is it any good?
>
>Who knows...we never get to see it.
Perhaps you're not looking hard enough! Expect lots more in-car and
pitlane shots, as well as multiple perspectives of the track. The only
trouble is that when you get it, you really need six STBs and six television
screeens to watch it! I only have two ..... :-(
D
>Technologically speaking, SkyDigital is the most likely platform, because it
>has higher capacity and can carry many more multiplexes. It also appears to
>be gearing itself up (pardon the motoring pun) for PPV events more than
>OnDigital. However, see (4) below.
OnDigital can only *just* cope with the 30 channels it currently has. If
it had to broadcast ppv F1 it would have to lose 7 channels for the
duration of the GP. I don't think that would be too popular.
>>ITV *don't* hold the rights to digital F1. ITV have the rights to the
>>terrestial feed *only*. Although F1 is shown as a digital feed and a
>>terrestial feed the two things are entirely separate and contracts are
>>negotiated for the rights separately. AFAIK OnDigital will not have
>>enough bandwidth to show digital F1. Wait and see what happens, I think
>>it will go to Sky in the end.
>
>IIRC, ITV has an *exclusive* contract for coverage in the UK until 2002 (I
>shall e-mail them and check). Contracts can however be changed (in this
>case I imagine that the FIA would have to offer substantial consideration).
ITV only have exclusive FTA rights. They don't hold any rights for PPV,
and Bernies contracts always allow him to come in with his PPV system.
He is one shrewd operator. When shaking hands with him, I'd always count
my fingers afterwards.
>>>5) How much would it cost?
>>
>>If PPV division 1 football matches are going out at 8 quid you can bet
>>on it being at least a tenner per race weekend. I wouldn't be surprised
>>if they get really greedy and price it at £17.95 or something like that.
>>Presumably there would be a discount for the whole season, and I think
>>it would also include practice sessions and other stuff.
>
>I would agree with the above based upon the continental pricing, but I
>suspect that if a UK broadcaster beleives they can deliver paying viewers as
>easily as with footy, then the damage will be about twice this, i.e. perhaps
>~GBP12 per round or ~GBP200 per season;
Evidence from other countries pricing suggests otherwise. Bernie wants
people to pay for it. Pricing it out of the market will only push people
onto the FTA stuff. It has to be a sensible price. Unlike football, F1
needs to have substantial telly coverage for its sponsors. The PPV
system just moves them from one to the other, and gives the teams (and
Bernie) more money.
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Coping with 30 channels seems a bit optimistic, many areas will only get
20 channels, and very many areas currently get no coverage at all!.
Quite a lot will never receive OnDigital, particularly if you live in
Scotland or Wales!.
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Well, if the prices in Germany are anything to go by ...
the cost of a DF1 digital package including the F1 is around
DM 40 pm plus another DM 20 for the rental of the
STB which comes to approx 22 quid a month.
Its not possible to book it on a per race basis though,
from what I've seen of it I'd say the coverage is very good
although the quality of the commentary is terrible (as shite but
not as annoying as RTL
DOes anyone know if its possible to get DF1 in the UK ???
I don't think you need to buy a specalised STB like (I think)
you do in the UK
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In Finland it´s about 480 fmk a year(about 60 £). It is send by
CanalDigital. You can buy one race for 49 fmk (6 £). You get 7 channels of
F1 which you can choose from. I think they got 40 camera angels on track.
Teepee
My Ondigital reception indicates that I have 7 channels with
Ondigital which are currently not used! They don't need to lose
anything, yet.
MalcolmX
>Quite a lot will never receive OnDigital, particularly if you
>live in Scotland or Wales!.
Never is a very long time!
MalcolmX
>>
>>>4) Since ITV hold the rights would they only show it on OnDigital just to
>be
>>>complete and utter gits?
>>
>>ITV *don't* hold the rights to digital F1. ITV have the rights to the
>>terrestial feed *only*. Although F1 is shown as a digital feed and a
>>terrestial feed the two things are entirely separate and contracts are
>>negotiated for the rights separately. AFAIK OnDigital will not have
>>enough bandwidth to show digital F1. Wait and see what happens, I think
>>it will go to Sky in the end.
>
>IIRC, ITV has an *exclusive* contract for coverage in the UK until 2002 (I
>shall e-mail them and check). Contracts can however be changed (in this
>case I imagine that the FIA would have to offer substantial consideration).
>
Yes ITV have an exclusive contract to show the terrestial (FTA) feed
*only*. The digital feed is something entirely separate and a separate
contract for it will be bid for.
Cheers
>>>>5) How much would it cost?
>>>
>>>If PPV division 1 football matches are going out at 8 quid you can bet
>>>on it being at least a tenner per race weekend. I wouldn't be surprised
>>>if they get really greedy and price it at Ł17.95 or something like that.
>>>Presumably there would be a discount for the whole season, and I think
>>>it would also include practice sessions and other stuff.
>>
>>I would agree with the above based upon the continental pricing, but I
>>suspect that if a UK broadcaster beleives they can deliver paying viewers as
>>easily as with footy, then the damage will be about twice this, i.e. perhaps
>>~GBP12 per round or ~GBP200 per season;
>
>Evidence from other countries pricing suggests otherwise. Bernie wants
>people to pay for it. Pricing it out of the market will only push people
>onto the FTA stuff. It has to be a sensible price. Unlike football, F1
>needs to have substantial telly coverage for its sponsors. The PPV
>system just moves them from one to the other, and gives the teams (and
>Bernie) more money.
>
I'm not sure you can use prices in other countries as a good guide- If
so we'd be paying about 30% less for our cars, and 50% less for
mortgages, not to mention petrol, beer etc.
Even if digital F1 were available tomorrow, it would still be years
before any more than a few percent of the population have access to it
(Sky still only reaches less than 10% of homes IIRC). For this reason,
only people who *really* want it are going to bother buying it- in which
case they can get away with charging over the odds for it because those
people will grudgingly pay up. Your 'casual' Sunday-afternoon-back-from
the-pub-plus-having-scoffed-Sunday-lunch viewer will stick with
Terrestial anyway, I don't think even Bernie would pretend that most
people would pay to watch F1.
I reckon Digital F1 will be priced at between Ł11.95 and Ł16.95 per race
with possible discounts for booking early. I'm also assuming there'll be
a cheaper option for booking all season.
>My Ondigital reception indicates that I have 7 channels with
>Ondigital which are currently not used! They don't need to lose
>anything, yet.
>MalcolmX
What are you basing this on?
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DOes anyone know if its possible to get DF1 in the UK ???
I don't think you need to buy a specalised STB like (I think)
you do in the UK
Satellite TV magazines have ads for it. Nip along to WH Smiths and have a
peek. Have heard that there are sometimes technical problems from trying to
get it in the UK though (freeze picture etc)
I watch the adverts for DF1 on German TV (but I don't speak german!) There
are 6 feeds and 1 feed is quartered (so those pictures are very small). 1
feed is for the timing data. I reckon that's 8 pictures and the data. Zur
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> > David A White kirjoitti viestissä
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> > >Tony_Hughes wrote in message ...
> > >>In article <PGyC2.1093$H2...@news-reader.bt.net>, Jonathan McCormack
> > >><McCor...@BelfastCity.Gov.UK> writes
> > >>>Crossposted in rec.autos.sport.f1 & uk.tech.digital-tv
> > >>>
> >
> > In Finland it´s about 480 fmk a year(about 60 £). It is send by
> > CanalDigital. You can buy one race for 49 fmk (6 £). You get 7 channels of
> > F1 which you can choose from. I think they got 40 camera angels on track.
> >
> > Teepee
> >
> >
>
> DOes anyone know if its possible to get DF1 in the UK ???
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> I thought there were 3 , OnDigital, Sky, and Cable. Of which OnDigital
> are unlikely to have the capacity.
When you refer to ondigital, I suspect you mean the DTT network, which
consists of the terrestrial transmitters across the country broadcasting
6 multiplexes.
The first is owned by BBC. They have no spare capacity.
The second is owned by Digital 3 & 4 (ITV, ITV2, C4, Filmfour, Digital
Teletext), no spare capacity.
The fourth, fifth and sixth are owned by OnDigital. There are about 19
channels here, but some are (mostly) unused.
The third is owned by SDN and has C5, S4C in wales, and 4 (or 5 if not
in wales) test transmissions, currently showing motor sports.
So between them there maybe some spare.
> Stephen Baines said
> >OnDigital can only *just* cope with the 30 channels it currently
> >has. If it had to broadcast ppv F1 it would have to lose 7
> >channels for the duration of the GP. I don't think that would be
> >too popular.
>
> My Ondigital reception indicates that I have 7 channels with
> Ondigital which are currently not used! They don't need to lose
> anything, yet.
> MalcolmX
Funnily enough the SDN channels have been showing motor racing.
Press Release from ONdigital/SDN today...
ONdigital Announce Joint Venture With SDN
ONdigital have revealed details of a deal with SDN to offer Pay-Per-View
events on the SDN multiplex channels.
The following press release was issued by ONdigital this morning.
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ONdigital AND SDN OFFER PAY PER VIEW TO DTT
SDN and ONdigital today announce plans for a joint venture to launch digital
terrestrial pay per view services (PPV). Viewers will be able to choose from
a range of top class movies, sports and other events on a pay as you go
basis.
This new service, available later this year, will add extra choice to
ONdigital customers and will also be available directly to the public,
providing they have either an ONdigital set top box or an integrated digital
TV (IDTV).
The service will be able to use up to five channels on SDN's Multiplex A.
ONdigital will supply customer management services and conditional access
technology to the joint venture.
ONdigital Chief Executive Stephen Grabiner said :
"This brings together all the major ITV companies to offer pay-per-view
through the ONdigital set top box. More than 30 channels plus pay per view
is a fabulous offer for viewers. It will enable us to offer up to 10 movies
or events a night, on top of our existing sport and movie channels"
Roger Laughton, SDN Chairman said:
"Digital TV is the future of television and, when analogue signals are
switched off, DTT will reach virtually every home in the land. In the short
term this deal extends the choices available to ONdigital's customers. In
the medium term, as digital receivers become widely available, it brings PPV
services to everyone, not just those already subscribing to Pay TV. This
should give manufacturers, retailers and consumers added confidence in the
long term appeal of digital terrestrial television in the digital age."
"For SDN's shareholders, NTL, S4C and United News and Media this venture
provides a tremendous opportunities to maximise the value of Multiplex A
capacity by providing complementary, exciting new services to all DTT
viewers, via set top boxes or IDTV's."
A further announcement will be made soon on the other services to be carried
by SDN.
ENDS
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NOTES TO EDITORS
The deal brings together all three ITV majors, the leading cable operator
NTL and public service broadcaster S4C in a long term alliance to offer top
movies sport and a range of events to DTT viewers.
SDN, a consortium of United News and Media plc, NTL and S4C was awarded the
licence for DTT Multiplex A in May 1998.
Multiplex A has the highest coverage of the four commercial terrestrial
multiplexes, SDN transmitters will be able to reach 90% of UK homes by early
next year.
Channel 5 is entitled to provide services on 50% of the UK capacity of
Multiplex A.
S4C is entitled to provide services on 50% of Multiplex A capacity in Wales.
Hope that's of use!
Alan
Jonathan McCormack wrote in message ...
>Crossposted in rec.autos.sport.f1 & uk.tech.digital-tv
>
>Germany has had Bernie Eccestone's digital F1 coverage for a year or two
>now. Does anybody know.....
>
>1) When it will be available in the UK?
>2) Would extra hardware be required?
>3) Will it work on Sky Digital (also see 4)?
>4) Since ITV hold the rights would they only show it on OnDigital just to
be
>complete and utter gits?
>5) How much would it cost?
>6) Is it any good?
>
> The fourth, fifth and sixth are owned by OnDigital. There are about 19
> channels here, but some are (mostly) unused.
This is not true - OnDigital's multiplexes are more congested than
the BBC/ITV's and will be even more congested later this year
when MTV etc. starts.
>
> The third is owned by SDN and has C5, S4C in wales, and 4 (or 5 if not
> in wales) test transmissions, currently showing motor sports.
The remaining SDN capacity is going to be used by OnDigital for
PPV movies.
>
> So between them there maybe some spare.
>
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I'm posting from the Formula one group and don't really understand the
technical stuff, but you seem to be saying that the DTT network may have
the 6 channels required for Digital F1?
The Test channels are all showing motorsports? that is interesting -
could be a good sign?
Thanks for the explanation.
20 - first ondigital - mux b
21 - sky sports 1 - mux b
22 - sky premier - mux b
23 - sky sports 3 - mux c
24 - sky moviemax - mux c
26 - sky one - mux b
27 - cartoon network - mux b
28 - carlton cinema - mux b
29 - eurosport - mux b
30 - granada plus - mux c
31 - granada breeze/m&m - mux c
32 - uk gold - mux c
33 - ondigital - mux c
34 - carlton kids/ carlton world - mux d
35 - carlton food network/carlton select - mux d
36 - shop! - mux d
37 - uk play - mux d
38 - uk style/ uk horizons -mux d
40 - ondigital - mux d
19 channels. the 'some (mostly) unused' channels I mentioned are 20, 33
& 40. OnDigital are using these to show one-off events at the moment.
Chris Butcher
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