Ross Freesat LNB Out?

[Kenny]

Ross model HDR-6110USB and 50" LG Smart TV with Freesat inbuilt. Both had
been working OK separately until I connected dish to Ross box and a flylead
from LNB Out to TV so that I could use the Record function on Ross box, TV
does record to USB but the recordings can only be replayed on that TV, not
usable for anything else.
It didn't work, tried TV and Ross box separately and now I don't have
Freesat on either, both appear to see the satellite but find no channels.
I'm thinking connecting like this has damaged the LNB but how? The other
possibility is that it has damaged the tuners in both, I hope not!
Any ideas anyone?

Kenny Cargill

[Java Jive]

At my last property, I sometimes used to get no response from the sat
system after I'd been mucking about with it. I usually found that if
I disconnected the power from everything for an hour or so, or even
overnight, then everything would work again.

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[Indy Jess John]

My TV has a set-up option of whether the TV supplies power to the LNB or
not. Is yours defaulted to No?

Also, I wonder about using LNB Out to link to the TV. Normally each box
is served by a separate connection from a multiport LNB.
Is the Ross box squirting 12V into your TV along that cable? I am not
sure how a TV that would normally expect to output 12V to an LNB would
react to that. And if the TV is exporting 12V to the Ross box, how
would the Ross box react to that?

Most TVs that record to a USB drive do so in a proprietary format. Mine
does. The disc can be accessed by Linux (but not Windows) and I can see
a pretty complex file structure, but I haven't found any utility for
Linux that can decipher the file contents.

Jim

[Kenny]

Thanks for the reply. Ross user manual says "LNB OUT: To connect to another
satellite receiver if required" which is what I did, the receiver in the TV.
There is a setting "LNB Power: Switches off power to the LNB", this has
always been switched on. I had assumed that LNB Out was similar to the RF
pass through in a VCR. The Ross manual simply lists LNB Out & LNB Power, no
explanation or caveats when using them.

Kenny

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[Bill Wright]

Kenny wrote:
> Thanks for the reply. Ross user manual says "LNB OUT: To connect to
> another satellite receiver if required" which is what I did, the
> receiver in the TV. There is a setting "LNB Power: Switches off power to
> the LNB", this has always been switched on. I had assumed that LNB Out
> was similar to the RF pass through in a VCR. The Ross manual simply
> lists LNB Out & LNB Power, no explanation or caveats when using them.

You can't daisy chain the LNB feed like this and get all channels on
both because the receiver tells the LNB which of four 'modes' to send
down the coax (by means of 22kHz and 13/18V switching).

Bill

[Kenny]

Yes that makes sense but then what is the purpose of

"LNB OUT: To connect to

another satellite receiver if required"?

Kenny

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[Java Jive]

On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 14:46:48 +0100, "Kenny" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

> Yes that makes sense but then what is the purpose of
> "LNB OUT: To connect to
> another satellite receiver if required"?

It can be useful in some situations ...

That is how I used to get Eurosport International on analogue. My
single output LNB on a rotor system was connected first to a FTA
Dreambox receiver (digital) and thence via that box's loop-through
output to the input of a second receiver, a Pace (analogue). Normally
the dish would be pointing at 28E to get the usual digital UK
channels. To watch Eurosport, I'd use the Dreambox to steer the dish
to 19.2E, and then put it in standby, then switch on the Pace analogue
receiver, which picked up the LNB loop-through out of the Dreambox,
fed its video back into the Dreambox's VCR SCART, which the Dreambox
in standby automatically switched straight through to its own output
SCART.

But for an example more relevant today, suppose you have a receiver
with twin inputs, one of which also goes out via the loop-through
connector at the back, and that this receiver enables said
loop-through when it itself is receiving (some may only enable it when
in standby), and also that you have a second receiver whose LNB input
is connected to the loop-through of the first. Now suppose that there
are three things at once that you want to watch. Normally, with a
twin input machine, you'd have to miss one of them, but if two are on
the same transponder, then you can tune the receiver channel
looped-through to that transponder, and watch the second channel on
that transponder on the second receiver. This only works because the
two channels are on the same transponder.

[Kenny]

Thanks for the reply, I have a single LNB & dish bought with Ross receiver
as a Freesat package. Then bought TV with Freesat inbuilt so didn't need
the Ross box until I wanted to record a program in a usable format. That
meant disconnecting dish from TV, connecting it to Ross box, then
reconnecting to TV when done. Thought connecting LNB Out on Ross box to LNB
In on TV would be able to use either and the outcome is that I have no
Freesat at all now! Waiting until weekend when I can try the Ross box on
daughter's dish, if it works my TV's probably OK as well and the fault's in
LNB. If it doesn't it likely means tuners have been damaged in both.

Kenny

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[Bill Wright]

Kenny wrote:
> Yes that makes sense but then what is the purpose of "LNB OUT: To
> connect to another satellite receiver if required"?

In case you are only using one 'mode', for instance if you have one
Horizontal High feed but you want to get several channels from it. This
often happens on distribution systems where the receivers are each
dedicated to one channel. For instance we recently did a job where we
wanted several BBC radio channels from one dish.

Bill

[Michael Chare]

The downstream receiver should be able to display the channels in the
mode that the upstream receiver has set the LNB to.

Using a voltage meter you could check that both receivers are supplying
13 or 18 volts according to the polarity of the channel/transponder they
are trying to receive from.

--
Michael Chare

[Kenny]

Confirmed the Ross box is OK by connecting to another dish and LNB so
assuming Freesat in TV is OK as well, very coincidental that it failed just
when I was connecting to LNB Out on Ross box, I still don't really know what
this is for! Have arranged for new dish with quad LNB and I won't be
fiddling around with this one.

Kenny

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[Indy Jess John]

On 09/10/2015 20:43, Kenny wrote:
> Confirmed the Ross box is OK by connecting to another dish and LNB so
> assuming Freesat in TV is OK as well, very coincidental that it failed just
> when I was connecting to LNB Out on Ross box, I still don't really know what
> this is for! Have arranged for new dish with quad LNB and I won't be
> fiddling around with this one.
>
> Kenny

Replacing the existing LNB with a quad should be all that is necessary,
but if you want a new dish that is your choice.

Jim

[Bill Wright]

Kenny wrote:
> Confirmed the Ross box is OK by connecting to another dish and LNB so
> assuming Freesat in TV is OK as well, very coincidental that it failed
> just when I was connecting to LNB Out on Ross box, I still don't really
> know what this is for!

You've been told clearly enough.

Bill

[Kenny]

Dish was old and rusting, new dish with quad LNB now fitted and working
well. Cost £80 supplying and fitting which I thought reasonable.

Kenny

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[Indy Jess John]

On 10/10/2015 22:19, Kenny wrote:
> Dish was old and rusting, new dish with quad LNB now fitted and working
> well. Cost £80 supplying and fitting which I thought reasonable.
>
> Kenny

If fitting was included, that was a steal.

<impressed>

Jim

[Bill Wright]

Presumably the old cables were re-used, and maybe also the wall bracket.
Dish and LNB: £12 + VAT.

The job would take about half an hour.

Bill

[Indy Jess John]

Retail prices for DIY fitting are about twice that price, if you include
P&P. Nobody does a job at cost, because the fitter has to make a
living. What sort of mark-up would be expected?

The OP had a single outlet LNB which is why he tried to daisy chain it,
so the requirement was for a 4-port LNB with (I suppose) a second cable.

Whether the cable was installed as part of the job, he didn't say.

There are two Freesat dishes in my area (I am ignoring all the Sky
ones), and they don't appear to have the same wall mountings, so I would
expect the old one to not be reusable unless the same make of dish was
chosen.

Jim

[R. Mark Clayton]

On Saturday, 10 October 2015 23:28:46 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
> Indy Jess John wrote:
> > On 10/10/2015 22:19, Kenny wrote:
> >> Dish was old and rusting, new dish with quad LNB now fitted and working
> >> well. Cost £80 supplying and fitting which I thought reasonable.
> >>
> >> Kenny
> >
> > If fitting was included, that was a steal.
> >
> > <impressed>
> >
> > Jim
>
> Presumably the old cables were re-used, and maybe also the wall bracket.
> Dish and LNB: £12 + VAT.
>

You would be lucky to get the LNB for just that, although I guess you buy wholesale.

> The job would take about half an hour.

If cables already in and reasonable accessible.

>
> Bill

[alan_m]

On 11/10/2015 14:24, Indy Jess John wrote:

> There are two Freesat dishes in my area (I am ignoring all the Sky
> ones), and they don't appear to have the same wall mountings, so I would
> expect the old one to not be reusable unless the same make of dish was
> chosen.

How can you tell the difference between a sky and freesat dish?





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[Indy Jess John]

On 11/10/2015 18:12, alan_m wrote:
> On 11/10/2015 14:24, Indy Jess John wrote:
>
>> There are two Freesat dishes in my area (I am ignoring all the Sky
>> ones), and they don't appear to have the same wall mountings, so I would
>> expect the old one to not be reusable unless the same make of dish was
>> chosen.
>
>
> How can you tell the difference between a sky and freesat dish?
>
>
>
>
>

The sky ones are a specific colour, size and shape.

Whilst I know that a freesat service can be received from a Sky dish,
the dishes bought specifically for Freesat rather than Sky seem to be
round rather than oval, and the two I examined are light grey.

Jim

[R. Mark Clayton]

Typically $ky dishes are 45cm or 60cm (oop north) and elliptical / lozenge shaped horizontally. Other dished tend to be round / slightly elliptical vertically. Mostly they clamp on to poles using u clamps (<£1 from Halfords), so the mount will almost certainly be reusable.

Either will normally provide an adequate signal for FTA channels on 28E if pointed there, although a 60cm dish will be less likely to drop out in rain etc.

[alan_m]

On 11/10/2015 19:12, Indy Jess John wrote:

>
> Whilst I know that a freesat service can be received from a Sky dish,
> the dishes bought specifically for Freesat rather than Sky seem to be
> round rather than oval, and the two I examined are light grey.

It is the same signals from the same cluster of satellites. I guess that
99.9% of Freesat installations use the same dish that the installer has
in the back of the van and he uses for Sky. I my case I fitted my own
dish and chose the larger zone 2 dish for an installation in SE Essex.
From memory, dish and quad lnb (incl postage) was around £25.

[garry...@gmail.com]

Hi,
Anyone out there has info on decoding encrypted channels on my:
Ross HDR 8134


Regards,
Garry