Freesat for the elderly?
Clive Page
of trees in the line of sight to the only transmitter in range. They
are big trees owned by a neighbour and there's not much chance of
getting them trimmed enough. He has resisted getting satellite TV so
far because he doesn't like the idea of a monthly subscription, but my
guess is that a dish and freesat system would solve the problem.
But he's old and doesn't find remote controls easy to use - because of
big fingers and poor eyesight, not to mention the terrible
user-interfaces that many modern devices seem to have. Since his
existing TV is pretty ancient, I thought that getting a new set with
freesat integrated might provide a system that's easy to use, but the
only ones I can find are by Panasonic at around £700, which he won't
like spending.
Does anyone know of a freesat converter box which comes with a big
easy-to-use remote control? I'm assuming that they all connect by SCART
lead, and if plugged in and switched on it will automatically force the
TV to take input from the converter, so he won't have to use two remote
controls in combination, which is almost beyond him now. He has a DVD
player which seems to force the TV to take AV input (if you turn the
boxes on in the right order) - whether one can connect both a freesat
box and a DVD player and have them both easy to use I'm not sure. Any
suggestions gratefully received.
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Clive Page
tony sayer
<ju...@main.machine> scribeth thus
>My father's terrestrial TV reception is getting worse and worse because
>of trees in the line of sight to the only transmitter in range. They
>are big trees owned by a neighbour and there's not much chance of
>getting them trimmed enough. He has resisted getting satellite TV so
>far because he doesn't like the idea of a monthly subscription, but my
>guess is that a dish and freesat system would solve the problem.
Yes provided the trees aren't in that direction as well..
>
>But he's old and doesn't find remote controls easy to use - because of
>big fingers and poor eyesight, not to mention the terrible
>user-interfaces that many modern devices seem to have. Since his
>existing TV is pretty ancient, I thought that getting a new set with
>freesat integrated might provide a system that's easy to use, but the
>only ones I can find are by Panasonic at around £700, which he won't
>like spending.
Lookup freesat and freesat from sky this is a one off payment usually
150 or less and should be able to use your existing TV OK..
Mind he doesn't get access to too many totty channels, that might stress
him a bit;))..
>
>Does anyone know of a freesat converter box which comes with a big
>easy-to-use remote control? I'm assuming that they all connect by SCART
>lead, and if plugged in and switched on it will automatically force the
>TV to take input from the converter, so he won't have to use two remote
>controls in combination, which is almost beyond him now. He has a DVD
>player which seems to force the TV to take AV input (if you turn the
>boxes on in the right order) - whether one can connect both a freesat
>box and a DVD player and have them both easy to use I'm not sure. Any
>suggestions gratefully received.
>
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Tony Sayer
R. Mark Clayton
"Clive Page" <ju...@main.machine> wrote in message
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I don't know if they still do anything similar, but the Sony TV my late mum
had came with a double sided remote control, which fitted in a plastic case
so that one side or the other was presented.
One side had big buttons for the basics like changing channel, mute, volume
etc. and basic text. The other had a button for everything and was beloved
by techies like me
pete
> My father's terrestrial TV reception is getting worse and worse because
> of trees in the line of sight to the only transmitter in range. They
> are big trees owned by a neighbour and there's not much chance of
> getting them trimmed enough. He has resisted getting satellite TV so
> far because he doesn't like the idea of a monthly subscription, but my
> guess is that a dish and freesat system would solve the problem.
>
> But he's old and doesn't find remote controls easy to use - because of
> big fingers and poor eyesight, not to mention the terrible
> user-interfaces that many modern devices seem to have.
I don't know what the user interface is like, but Maplin have a "big button"
remote control on special offer ATM: £9.99 The part number is A45HZ
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=225778&source=1
Brian Gaff
think some of the charities have tested them as I recall, whether these work
with freesat I do not know.
i know Maplin had one, Cobolt sell one and I think RNIB do as well.
Brian
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Brian Gaff
elderly I gather, for being too complex.
Brian
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Brian Gaff
nightmare if you cannot see that well quite often.
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Michael Chare
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> In article <dB6zNNCq...@page.demo.co.uk>, Clive Page
> <ju...@main.machine> scribeth thus
>>My father's terrestrial TV reception is getting worse and worse because
>>of trees in the line of sight to the only transmitter in range. They
>>are big trees owned by a neighbour and there's not much chance of
>>getting them trimmed enough. He has resisted getting satellite TV so
>>far because he doesn't like the idea of a monthly subscription, but my
>>guess is that a dish and freesat system would solve the problem.
>
> Yes provided the trees aren't in that direction as well..
>>
>>But he's old and doesn't find remote controls easy to use - because of
>>big fingers and poor eyesight, not to mention the terrible
>>user-interfaces that many modern devices seem to have. Since his
>>existing TV is pretty ancient, I thought that getting a new set with
>>freesat integrated might provide a system that's easy to use, but the
>>only ones I can find are by Panasonic at around £700, which he won't
>>like spending.
>
> Lookup freesat and freesat from sky this is a one off payment usually
> 150 or less and should be able to use your existing TV OK..
>
> Mind he doesn't get access to too many totty channels, that might stress
> him a bit;))..
As there are more Sky users than Freesat users you might find it easier to
find a large button remote that would work well with a Sky box than with a
Freesat box.
Analogue switch off is quite a problem for the elderly!
--
Michael Chare
Adrian C
> Modern Sony remotes have been universally slagged off by charities for the
> elderly I gather, for being too complex.
Ergonomics has never been Sony's strong point.
They like selling twiddly buttons to twiddly geeks (like me) and writing
incomphensible user manuals that will confuse many (including me). Joe
public might be buying an advanced Sony set on technical recommendation
from a friend but that manual will require a course at night school...
And then there are stupid design descisions.
For instance, one of the failings of a large range of Sony's (now almost
deceased) MiniDisc format audio recorders was a terrible user
instruction to observe when recording.
Namely ye had to to press the track forward button to position beyond
tracks already written, before starting the new recording. Failure to do
that resulted in the new recording overwriting the current track
whatever that was!
Now of course this is analogous to what ye'd do on reel/cassette
recorder so some smart Alec in Sony R&D thought to preserve it?
Madness :-(
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Alan
<Munders...@chareDOTorg.uk> wrote
>
>Analogue switch off is quite a problem for the elderly!
>
without any problems!
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Michael Chare
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> In message <PNCdnZ7vJLJskdXU...@pipex.net>, Michael Chare
> <Munders...@chareDOTorg.uk> wrote
>>
>>Analogue switch off is quite a problem for the elderly!
>>
> Why? Every old age pensioner that I know has already gone digital without
> any problems!
>
Put it this way its the OAPs whose childeren are OAPs that are more likely
to have a problem.
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Bill Wright
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> i know Maplin had one, Cobolt sell one and I think RNIB do as well.
What's it got to do with lifeboats?
Bill
Bill Wright
> <Munders...@chareDOTorg.uk> wrote
>>
>>Analogue switch off is quite a problem for the elderly!
>>
> Why? Every old age pensioner that I know has already gone digital without
> any problems!
The bulk of them have gone digi with enthusiasm. The ones we need to worry
about are the very frail, those with dementia, and those with significant
physical handicaps. We also should remember the adult mentally handicapped,
many of whom live in sheltered housing or even in the community.
Apart from difficulties with the new kit, these people are at risk from
every sort of digital con man. Something should be done.
Bill
Bill Wright
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Except my dad, who sat watching some old ladies on Calendar tonight who were
moaning about 'things going up'. The ladies were about 15 years younger than
him but he was full of contempt for the 'special pleading' of the elderly.
And digital switch-over? Give him a new remote handset and set top box to go
with it -- he shrugs, and just gets on with it. It's hard to freak out
someone who spend six years picking up the pieces (of people) in WWII.
Bill
Clive Page
writes
>I don't know what the user interface is like, but Maplin have a "big button"
>remote control on special offer ATM: £9.99 The part number is A45HZ
>http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=225778&source=1
That sounds a good idea. But this article
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/10/30/review_universal_remote_controls/
and the comments that follow suggest that they aren't quite as universal
as they claim.
I couldn't find much in the way of details or user manuals by doing a
quick google, but another brand says "programmed to be compatible with
major brands" - but that could easily mean that a new device, such as a
freesat receiver/decoder, might not be compatible. Still not much of a
risk at that price I suppose.
--
Clive Page
David
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I recently got a Logitech Harmony 525 which you programme via your PC good
to see it listed on your RC article.
I did have a little trouble and e-mailed their Support twice they were
extremely quick in response even at a weekend, looks like they might well be
24/7.
Their Support gets very good reports from people in the AV forums, it seems
to be in Canada and they do not appear to care about using the 'phone to
talk to you and take as long as it takes to sort you out.
For one of my pieces of equipment they modified their data and put it into
My Account and I then downloaded into the RC.
I would think they will have almost everything in their data base. Like to
think if they haven't they will get it they seem a good old fashioned
customer service company.
Getting back on topic of older people, the RC and buttons not big, they
might not be able to do the computer bit, so would need it doing for them.
My TV, Freeview box and Amplifier are all programmed in to come on a one
touch, one button switches them all off. My wife thinks is best thing
since sliced bread.
My thoughts would be if the button size is ok, get one for yourself,
programme use it, then buy one for parents, programme it for them and then
pass it to them.
Amazon etc about £40, Comet £50, others £60 to £80.
Alan White
>I recently got a Logitech Harmony 525...
I have the 555. It controls all the kit either singly or in combination and can
be set up to select radio and TV channels using one key press rather than three.
Very highly recommended.
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Twenty-eight miles NW of Glasgow, overlooking Lochs Long and Goil in Argyll, Scotland.
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2pods
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> On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:17:20 -0000, "David" <david...@tesco.net> wrote:
>
>>I recently got a Logitech Harmony 525...
>
> I have the 555. It controls all the kit either singly or in combination
> and can
> be set up to select radio and TV channels using one key press rather than
> three.
>
> Very highly recommended.
>
> --
I'm a bit fed up with it and it needs a clean, but don't want to get
something "worse" so to speak.
Alan White
>Any idea how it compares to my old Sony AV2100T ?
>I'm a bit fed up with it and it needs a clean, but don't want to get
>something "worse" so to speak.
I don't know the Sony so can't answer your question.
If you go to the Logitech web site, all should be revealed.
However, I've set up an 'Activity' called 'Watch TV'. Selecting that button on
the 555 screen turns on the TV, the HDMI switcher, the PVR and the audio amp and
sets up the correct inputs. I can then select, from the 555 screen, the TV
programme that I want to watch as well as controlling the audio volume from the
'Vol' button on the 555.
If I now want to listen to a CD, I select 'Activity' 'Listen to CD', the 555
turns off the TV, the HDMI switcher and the PVR, turns on the CD player and
changes the input on the audio amp to 'CD'. I can then control the CD player
from the 555. Unfortunately, I have to move to load the CD but you can't have
every thing.
HTH
Alan White
P.S. Lesley has pointed out that it is usually she who gets up to load the CD so
I have, after all, got everything.
2pods
Thanks Alan, I'll have a look.
The Sony is here http://www.remotecentral.com/av2100/index.html.
It has three macro buttons which should do everything like activity on your
Harmony, but for some reason always turns our little Sony AV amp off then on
again.
It could also do with a clean, so I'm not looking forward to opening it .
Do you have a remote for Lesley ? :-)
Peter
Alan White
>Do you have a remote for Lesley ? :-)
I don't think I'm going to answer that :-)
2pods
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:19:46 -0000, "2pods" <mun...@mung.net> wrote:
>
>>Do you have a remote for Lesley ? :-)
>
> I don't think I'm going to answer that :-)
I've spent too much (for me) on a LG 37FL66, Humax Foxsat pvr, and Sony
BDP-S350, so, though the Harmony One will be the icing on the cake, I'll
need to wait for a bit.
Need to sell my old lcd TV, Sky+, and Sony dvd recorder first......by order
;-)
widgitt
>
> But he's old and doesn't find remote controls easy to use -
>
> easy-to-use remote control?
Many of my sales are to older people with a variety of physical and
mental problems and I try to help where I can.
One thing I frequently do is to open the remote control and put small
pieces of tape under certain buttons so they can't be operated. This
particularly applies to pic and sound buttons which select various
preset tones and pic presets. These settings are usually available in
the menus as well, so do not need to be on the handset. I make sure
all of the necessary buttons still work.
Freesat receivers are really either made by Bush/Alba so the handsets
are exactly the same, or Humax. Unfortunately I think that Humax have
rather broken with their tradition of big bold remote handsets and
tried to build too many buttons into their Freesat handsets (and far
too many menu options on the on-screen display) especially for older
people. (One example, why have "List" when the OK button does exactly
the same thing?)
If the user really needs the absolute basics, then only the On/Off
button and the Channel up/down buttons are needed. I have left one or
two regular customers in sheltered accommodation with just these
buttons available and left a spare, fully operational handset with
staff.
About 20 years ago, I was asked to call on a customers' very old
mother to see what I could do to help. She was bright and alert but
was in a wheelchair and had very poor eyesight and very, very poor
hearing. She had a 22" TV on a table directly in front of her and
could just see it. And certainly couldn't hear it.
I provided a pair of headphones and set up the tone controls to suit
which made all the difference to her hearing the tv and she told me
that it was the first time she had been able to follow the sound for
years. Unfortunately she couldn't see subtitles. (I took a microphone,
and a small mic amp with me so that she could use the headphones for
me to talk with with her whilst I set the system up)
The problem then was to then to arrange control as she couldn't see or
reach the controls on the set and certainly couldnt see the remote
buttons.
As the set was of a "safe" isolated chassis design, I made up a box
with four brightly cououred fruit-machine buttons on it and connected
it to the set with multicore cable. The box sat on the wheelchair
table and gave control of volume up and down and channels up and down.
It worked a treat.
The old lady lived for about another 5 years and the set, with its
mods, lasted with her.
Bill Wright
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> Many of my sales are to older people with a variety of physical and
> mental problems
Funnily enough, the other day I overheard someone say, "What, you're a
customer of Wright's? You must be mental!"
To be more serious, I'm impressed with your attempts to make things a bit
easier for some of your elderly or infirm customers.
Bill
Woody
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The sad thing is that you couldn't do that today because of present
rules. I know there is little chance of it going wrong, but if there
was, say, a fire caused by the TV but unrelated to the mods, not only
would the insurers likely refuse to pay out as it was unofficially
modified but if it was found that the mods did not have CE approval the
supplier would probably be prosecusted as well.
Sad days in which we live?
--
Woody
harrogate three at ntlworld dot com
widgitt
Graham.
Your post has reminded me of two things that happened during
my time as a TV engineer.
The first was an old chap who was chair-bound and sat watching
the same channel all day because he couldn't get up to change
it. This was before remote controls, but I made him one there
and then.
Fortunately his set was one of the kind that was not uncommon
in the early '80, it has metal "sensomatic" touch plates instead
of mechanical buttons, so my "remote" just consisted of a
length of garden cane with some cooking foil selotaped to each
end with a length of wire between them.
The second story was a few years earlier. This old girl had
an ancient Thorn valve mono set, probably an 850 or 900
chassis. She was quite deaf and could not follow the dialogue
on the TV no mater how loud you made it.
She happened to mention that she could hear her little transistor
radio OK so I decided to try something.
I changed the value of the capacitor that coupled the audio from
the anode of the triode section of the PCL86 to the grid of
the pentode section from 10nf to 100pf. The sound now sounded
as tinny as her tranny and she could hear the speech.
Quite satisfying that one.
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Graham.
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My parents didn't realise they'd gone digital by having FreeSky. It took
several attempts at careful explaining how they would use the VCR after DSO.
My father in law is losing his sight and uses the "stab every button on the
remote hard" method. This has caused my mother in law to be without her
prized Panny Freeview DVD recorder for a few weeks until I could get down
there, when he managed to set it to line input whilst using a remote control
he's banned from touching!
As he's here over Xmas I'm protecting all my Sky+ recordings. During his
last stay he suffered a clash when two recordings were being made and he
wanted to watch a third channel. Rather than ask for help the stubborn old
git just punched buttons until he got the programme he wanted. Fortunately
they were the wife's programmes that were lost, and as she had a sympathy
by-pass with him years ago he's lucky he was able to walk away unaided :-)
com...@somewherenice.com
Graham, early 80's was not before remote controls.
I inherited a set that dated from the late 50's possibly early 60's
when I bought a house in the 80's. This set was a 405 line switched
tuner but had a remote control option. Still unused in the box as far
as I could tell. This consisted of a large switch on 20-30 foot of
very heavy duty cable that changed channels remotely and also had
Brigtness and Volume control on it as well. It plugged into the back
of the TV with a special 20 pin connector. The set was immaculate and
probbaly cost a lot of money when new. Typical polished wood cabinet
with doors. I gave it away to somebody that was starting a TV Museum.
But interesting days when you could modify things and "improve" them.
Bill Wright
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> Graham, early 80's was not before remote controls.
> I inherited a set that dated from the late 50's possibly early 60's
> when I bought a house in the 80's. This set was a 405 line switched
> tuner but had a remote control option. Still unused in the box as far
> as I could tell. This consisted of a large switch on 20-30 foot of
> very heavy duty cable that changed channels remotely and also had
> Brigtness and Volume control on it as well. It plugged into the back
> of the TV with a special 20 pin connector. The set was immaculate and
> probbaly cost a lot of money when new. Typical polished wood cabinet
> with doors. I gave it away to somebody that was starting a TV Museum.
I remember a customer who ordered one of these specially. The remote worked
OK. The connector as I remember it was round and about 1.5" across. The
cable was quite thick.
I have no idea how the channel changing worked.
Bill
Java Jive
There's a scene early in Billy Wilder's wonderfully black, and B&W,
romantic comedy "The Apartment" of 1960, where Jack Lemmon settles
down to eat a microwave meal. While he's eating, he works the TV
using a tabletop 'remote' ...
SWITCH ON.
"In a moment starring ... 'Grand Hotel', but first a word from our
sponsors ..."
SWITCH
Western cliche with a stagecoach and Indians doing melodramatic stunt
falls from their horses as they get 'shot'.
SWITCH
Another western cliche, a saloon brawl.
SWITCH
Another western cliche, US cavalry riding to the rescue.
SWITCH
"And now 'Grand Hotel' starring ... but first a word from our
alternate sponsors ..."
SWITCH OFF.
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:47:39 +0000, com...@somewherenice.com wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:19:47 -0000, "Graham." <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> Graham, early 80's was not before remote controls.
> I inherited a set that dated from the late 50's ....
Terry Casey
Ah! Then you never saw or, more importantly, heard it working then?
The basic set up wasd a normal 13 channel turret tuner driven by a small
motor (which looked identical to the motor in the average record player)
via suitable gearing.
A drum with a hole for each channel was fitted at the rear of this
assembly which a plastic pin inserted for the channels in use - usually,
of course, just two.
Assume the set was tuned to BBC (Channel 1 in our area). Press the
button on the remote OR the TV (no knobs!) and the motor whirred into
life. A spring kept the rotor misaligned with stator in the rest
position and the drive disengaged so that, when power was applied, the
stator was attracted into the correct position whilst running up to
speed before engaging with the gear chain.
Then you would hear the whining of gears and a loud 'thunk!' as the
turret reached channel 2, repeated for channels 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 at
about one second intervals before finally coming to rest, with yet
another 'thunk!' on Channel 9.
Another press of the button started the thing up again though channels
10 - 11 - 12 - 13 and finally back to 1!
I remember seeing these things demonstrated at the Radio Show at Earl's
Court (where, of course, there were more channels available, so less
time between changes) when they were first released but, of course, it
was not easy to judge noise levels in such surroundings. I didn't meet
one 'in the flesh', as it were, for a few years but I assume they were a
lot quieter when new!
Horrible contraption!
Most such receivers at the time had a simpler, true, remote control with
only two functions - sound mute and channel change - where the buttons
twanged a metal spring to produce one of two different ultra-sonic
frequencies - with clearly audible side effects, of course!
Years later, the first domestic teletext receiver I had dealings with
(under the Rank Arena badge) was still using ultra-sonic remote control
- although, by then, crystal controlled and transmitted by means of an
ultra-sonic transducer!
Terry
Bill Wright
"Terry Casey" <k.t...@example.invalid> wrote in message
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>> I have no idea how the channel changing worked.
>>
>
> Ah! Then you never saw or, more importantly, heard it working then?
>
> The basic set up wasd a normal 13 channel turret tuner driven by a small
> motor (which looked identical to the motor in the average record player)
> via suitable gearing.
Now then, wasn't there a set that used a motor in this way, but contolled by
a button on the front of the telly?
> Years later, the first domestic teletext receiver I had dealings with
> (under the Rank Arena badge) was still using ultra-sonic remote control -
> although, by then, crystal controlled and transmitted by means of an
> ultra-sonic transducer!
Oh yes, the ones where the customer's budgie could change channel. Or
rattling a bunch of keys would change channel.
Bill
Terry Casey
> "Terry Casey" <k.t...@example.invalid> wrote in message
> news:%Ds3l.61669$Iz4....@newsfe19.ams2...
>>> I have no idea how the channel changing worked.
>>>
>> Ah! Then you never saw or, more importantly, heard it working then?
> Yes but I didn't realise how it worked, as you describe below.
>
>> The basic set up wasd a normal 13 channel turret tuner driven by a small
>> motor (which looked identical to the motor in the average record player)
>> via suitable gearing.
> Now then, wasn't there a set that used a motor in this way, but contolled by
> a button on the front of the telly?
>
Because of the motor gubbins, there was no other way to change channel -
the button on the remote was in parallel with the one on the TV.
The one that particularly springs to mind was a Thorn model under the
Ferguson mark which was marketed as the Ferguson Senator. (Model No. 705T)
The cabinet extended above the CRT and was recessed back slightly. The
front of this area was black and the controls were gold - a chunky
channel select button and a matching edgewise operated volume control
(can't remember if this included on/off or if that was another chunky
button.)
Terry
Marky P
That's the RNLI you twerp! :-)
RNIB is birds.
;-)
Marky P.
Peter Duncanson
In the same way the RSPB is a request to reply to an invitation. :-)
JohnT
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RSPB is BIRDS
RNIB is BLIND
Marky must try harder! (Or were you trying to out-Bill Bill?)
--
JohnT
Bill Wright
Oh. You can understand my confusion though. They both begin with R.
Bill
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"JohnT" <john31...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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>> That's the RNLI you twerp! :-)
>>
>> RNIB is birds.
>>
>
>
> RSPB is BIRDS
> RNIB is BLIND
>
> Marky must try harder! (Or were you trying to out-Bill Bill?)
So what about the RSPBB? That's for blind birds.Them that can't spot a worm
even early in the morning.
Bill
J G Miller
> Them that can't spot a worm even early in the morning.
When I was at school, my mathematics teacher always used to say
"It is the early bird which catches the worm,
but it is the early worm which gets caught."
Alan
<insertmybu...@f2s.com> wrote
>Oh. You can understand my confusion though. They both begin with R.
>
Well those in charge of the country believe 'writing' and 'arithmetic'
both begin with R.
--
Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com
widgitt
was around 13, I was given a, then ancient, Dynatron set to play
with. It was the "cube" style table set with two large knobs below the
screen. After much fiddling and a few shocks, I managed to get it
working. We lived in Quinton, Birmingham at the time and the 405
signal was quite good so after I climbed onto the outside windowsill
of my bedroom and screwed up a homemade aerial the results were quite
good and I stood the set at the foot of the bed. The problem was that
I was not allowed to watch TV after bed time...so I had to keep my
foot on the volume/on off knob and move quickly. I solved the problem
by screwing cup hooks into the ceiling and threading string around the
knob and hanging the ends over the bed. This gave full control of
volume and on/off.
At the same time, my parents rented a Sobell (GEC) slimline dual
standard set. When BBC2 came online, I nipped up to the local TV shop
after closing and carefully measured up the new UHF aerial which they
had hung flat against the inside of the window as BBC2 advertising.
I went home and made a copy aerial using bits of aluminium curtain
track and taped it to the drain pipe. Hey presto...BBC2!