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Ian Jackson

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Oct 14, 2010, 4:11:11 PM10/14/10
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I think it was her that there was a discussion about incessant, inane
canned laughter (a month ago, or so).

It seems to have been introduced to the new series of 'Have I Got News
For You' (BBC2, 9pm). It's almost unwatchable. I'm changing to
Autumnwatch (BBC1) or The Giant Squid Channel 4).
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Woody

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Oct 14, 2010, 5:03:57 PM10/14/10
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"Ian Jackson" <ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote in
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Ah, maybe that's why you thought it was canned - Autumnwatch was
on 2 and HIGNFY was on 1!


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Ian Jackson

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Oct 14, 2010, 5:20:20 PM10/14/10
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In message <1fKto.22628$AM5....@newsfe16.ams2>, Woody
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That explains it. I thought that some of those animals were behaving
oddly!
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Brian Gaff

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Oct 15, 2010, 5:42:32 AM10/15/10
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A friend of mine calls this kind of thing a cackle track as indeed it often
sounds forced and artificial in the extreme.

also often you can hear that a certain bit has the gain up to detect those
titter bits, and its so obvious its really surprising anyone would actually
add it, unless its to mask some odd sounds of course.
Brian

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Robert Wilson

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Oct 19, 2010, 4:34:10 AM10/19/10
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On 15/10/2010 12:59, Martin wrote:
> Kate Humble's puppies?
Mmmmmm...Kate Humble....puppies...drool...

Ian Jackson

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Oct 19, 2010, 5:37:17 AM10/19/10
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In message <k5udnQWVCq-ZxSDR...@brightview.co.uk>, Robert
Wilson <r...@you-know-where.co.uk> writes

What about
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1293259/Charlie-Dimmock-gar
den-goddess-blooming-calendar-girl.html>
?
These days, you don't see much of her.
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Mark

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Oct 19, 2010, 6:03:50 AM10/19/10
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:11:11 +0100, Ian Jackson
<ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>It seems to have been introduced to the new series of 'Have I Got News
>For You' (BBC2, 9pm). It's almost unwatchable. I'm changing to
>Autumnwatch (BBC1) or The Giant Squid Channel 4).

I watched the repeat and I agree. It was truly awful :-(
I can't understand the need for this since there is a real audience.
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bugbear

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Oct 19, 2010, 6:34:19 AM10/19/10
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Mark wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:11:11 +0100, Ian Jackson
> <ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> It seems to have been introduced to the new series of 'Have I Got News
>> For You' (BBC2, 9pm). It's almost unwatchable. I'm changing to
>> Autumnwatch (BBC1) or The Giant Squid Channel 4).
>
> I watched the repeat and I agree. It was truly awful :-(
> I can't understand the need for this since there is a real audience.

I know they sometimes use canned laughter when a joke/shot/take
is done for the 3rd or 4th time, for technical
problems (and/or libel!).

It's *very* difficult to get a real laugh from an audience
on the 4th take.

BugBear

Mark

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Oct 19, 2010, 7:34:00 AM10/19/10
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Better if there's /no/ laughs than canned laughter IMHO.

Ian Jackson

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Oct 19, 2010, 8:01:46 AM10/19/10
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In message <a5rqb6562qeeus67n...@4ax.com>, Mark
<i...@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> writes

>On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:11:11 +0100, Ian Jackson
><ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>It seems to have been introduced to the new series of 'Have I Got News
>>For You' (BBC2, 9pm). It's almost unwatchable. I'm changing to
>>Autumnwatch (BBC1) or The Giant Squid Channel 4).
>
>I watched the repeat and I agree. It was truly awful :-(
>I can't understand the need for this since there is a real audience.

Although I gave up after the first ten minutes, but I got the distinct
impression that it wasn't anywhere near its 'normally very funny'
rating. In fact, it was hardly funny at all. That's what made 'noises
off' even more annoying.
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Ian

wrights...@f2s.com

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Oct 19, 2010, 8:33:48 AM10/19/10
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On Oct 19, 11:03 am, Mark <i...@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid>
wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:11:11 +0100, Ian Jackson
> I watched the repeat and I agree.  It was truly awful :-(

Funnily enough I see a parallel between laughter tracks and emoticons.
They are both intended as a cue to suggest to the audience how it
should react.

Bill

Richard Tobin

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Oct 19, 2010, 9:18:34 AM10/19/10
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In article <b7d305a9-05ec-49ca...@w19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
wrights...@aol.com <wrights...@f2s.com> wrote:

>> I watched the repeat and I agree. It was truly awful :-(

>Funnily enough I see a parallel between laughter tracks and emoticons.
>They are both intended as a cue to suggest to the audience how it
>should react.

Smilies are intended to replace the visual and auditory cues of normal
conversation (notably intonation) that are unavailable in plain
written text. Those cues are not missing on television, so canned
laughter serves a rather different purpose.

-- Richard

Andy Burns

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Oct 19, 2010, 9:36:19 AM10/19/10
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Richard Tobin wrote:

> wrights...@aol.com<wrights...@f2s.com> wrote:
>
>> I see a parallel between laughter tracks and emoticons.
>> They are both intended as a cue to suggest to the audience how it
>> should react.
>
> Smilies are intended to replace the visual and auditory cues of normal
> conversation (notably intonation) that are unavailable in plain
> written text.

Unlike the "Applaud" or "Laugh" signs that audiences were/are implored
to obey.

wrights...@f2s.com

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Oct 19, 2010, 3:28:11 PM10/19/10
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On Oct 19, 2:18 pm, rich...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote:
> In article <b7d305a9-05ec-49ca-a183-f9093232e...@w19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,

>
> wrightsaeri...@aol.com <wrightsaeri...@f2s.com> wrote:
> >> I watched the repeat and I agree.  It was truly awful :-(
> >Funnily enough I see a parallel between laughter tracks and emoticons.
> >They are both intended as a cue to suggest to the audience how it
> >should react.
>
> Smilies are intended to replace the visual and auditory cues of normal
> conversation (notably intonation) that are unavailable in plain
> written text.  

Shakespeare didn't see the need for them. They are simply a poor
replacement for the careful choice of words and the possession of an
adequate vocabulary. They are merely the sign of a lazy or incompetent
writer and are gereally eschewed by the properly literate.

Bill

Java Jive

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Oct 19, 2010, 3:54:39 PM10/19/10
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 12:28:11 -0700 (PDT), "wrights...@aol.com"
<wrights...@f2s.com> wrote:
>
> Shakespeare didn't see the need for them.

Perhaps not a good choice of comparison, as he was writing plays that
afterwards he either directed himself or had a close hand in their
directing. Any great author, especially a 'man of letters' (or woman)
would have been a better choice.

> They are simply a poor
> replacement for the careful choice of words and the possession of an
> adequate vocabulary. They are merely the sign of a lazy or incompetent
> writer and are gereally eschewed by the properly literate.

I tend not to use them, but occasionally find the humour in my posts
has gone over someone's head.
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Richard Tobin

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Oct 19, 2010, 5:24:30 PM10/19/10
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In article <c0dc5607-6a45-4c78...@k22g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
wrights...@aol.com <wrights...@f2s.com> wrote:

>> Smilies are intended to replace the visual and auditory cues of normal
>> conversation (notably intonation) that are unavailable in plain
>> written text.

>Shakespeare didn't see the need for them. They are simply a poor
>replacement for the careful choice of words and the possession of an
>adequate vocabulary. They are merely the sign of a lazy or incompetent
>writer and are gereally eschewed by the properly literate.

As I said, they are to replace the cues of *conversation*. A usenet
posting is not meant to be a great literary work.

-- Richard

J G Miller

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Oct 19, 2010, 6:39:51 PM10/19/10
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On Tuesday, October 19th, 2010 at 12:28:11 -0700, William Wright declared:

> Shakespeare didn't see the need for them.

Because the actors intrepreted the works and conveyed the non-verbal
cues to the audience via their facial expressions and body language.

So what we need for Usenet postings is embedded information [in the
form of smilies or stage directions] to convey that extra information.

[exits stage right]

wrights...@f2s.com

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Oct 19, 2010, 7:09:41 PM10/19/10
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On Oct 19, 10:24 pm, rich...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote:
> In article <c0dc5607-6a45-4c78-b6f3-8744d69a6...@k22g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,

> As I said, they are to replace the cues of *conversation*.  A usenet
> posting is not meant to be a great literary work.
>
> -- Richard

We're discussing the medium not the message.

Bill

wrights...@f2s.com

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Oct 19, 2010, 7:13:53 PM10/19/10
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On Oct 19, 8:54 pm, Java Jive <j...@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 12:28:11 -0700 (PDT), "wrightsaeri...@aol.com"

>
> <wrightsaeri...@f2s.com> wrote:
>
> > Shakespeare didn't see the need for them.
>
> Perhaps not a good choice of comparison, as he was writing plays that
> afterwards he either directed himself or had a close hand in their
> directing.  Any great author, especially a 'man of letters' (or woman)
> would have been a better choice.
>
> > They are simply a poor
> > replacement for the careful choice of words and the possession of an
> > adequate vocabulary. They are merely the sign of a lazy or incompetent
> > writer and are gereally eschewed by the properly literate.
>
> I tend not to use them, but occasionally find the humour in my posts
> has gone over someone's head.
>
Yes but if you say something ironic, or nonsensical for comic effect,
and then add a smiley, it completely spoils the joke. It's like a bad
comedian saying 'gettit?' after every joke. It takes away the
subtlety.

Bill

David Livingstone

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Oct 19, 2010, 7:53:27 PM10/19/10
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In message <4wL1zGMN...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk>, Ian Jackson
<ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> writes

>These days, you don't see much of her.


Charlie Dimmock
Think her Mum & step Dad unfortunately died in the 2004 tsunami
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Richard Brooks

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Oct 21, 2010, 6:30:52 AM10/21/10
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wrights...@aol.com said the following on 19/10/2010 20:28:

Maybe if he had given direction as to speech style maybe we wouldn't
have had the William .... Shat....ner school of vocalisation.
Historians now tell us of some terrible assumptions by past (and
present) theatre groups as to how his and other historic works have
been played.

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