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Scott

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Feb 26, 2018, 2:22:59 PM2/26/18
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:08:52 +0000, Chris Hogg <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>Until two days ago, I used regularly to listen to Classic-FM on my
>PURE Evoke 1S DAB radio, but it has suddenly disappeared, and doing a
>re-tune/re-scan doesn't bring it back. There are plenty of other DAB
>stations available, so it's not the radio. Has Classic-FM stopped
>broadcasting down here in West Cornwall?

It's a national multiplex and still on my radio here so I assume you
are looking at a temporary problem. Have you moved the radio from one
part of the house to another?

Brian Gregory

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Feb 26, 2018, 2:27:03 PM2/26/18
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Or, maybe, a very strong signal from a new local multiplex has started
up on the next channel up or down and is blocking it.

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Andrew

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Feb 26, 2018, 2:41:53 PM2/26/18
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On 26/02/2018 19:08, Chris Hogg wrote:
> Until two days ago, I used regularly to listen to Classic-FM on my
> PURE Evoke 1S DAB radio, but it has suddenly disappeared, and doing a
> re-tune/re-scan doesn't bring it back. There are plenty of other DAB
> stations available, so it's not the radio. Has Classic-FM stopped
> broadcasting down here in West Cornwall?
>

Is this an example of an Oxymoron ?.

There's still an FM transmitter :-

https://www.thebigtower.com/live/Redruth/Index.htm

Scott

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Feb 26, 2018, 3:12:49 PM2/26/18
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 20:03:03 +0000, Chris Hogg <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>Yebbut I wanted to know about DAB and why it's suddenly disappeared
>:-). According to the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/receptionsearch there
>should be four suitable DAB transmitters for my location: St. Just,
>St. Erth, Gulval and Redruth. I presume the first three are relays,
>but I don't seem to be getting any of them.

I don't think the commercial transmitters correspond exactly with BBC.
I think you should do a more specific search.

Try http://www.ukdigitalradio.com/coverage/currenttransmitters/

Woody

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Feb 26, 2018, 3:19:51 PM2/26/18
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"Chris Hogg" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Until two days ago, I used regularly to listen to Classic-FM on my
> PURE Evoke 1S DAB radio, but it has suddenly disappeared, and doing
> a
> re-tune/re-scan doesn't bring it back. There are plenty of other DAB
> stations available, so it's not the radio. Has Classic-FM stopped
> broadcasting down here in West Cornwall?


I know this sounds daft, but have you done a FULL rescan? Often a scan
just updates what is already there so if it thinks it already has
Classic it will ignore anything similar that it finds.

The usual on a Pure is to press and hold the tune/scan button for
about 10 seconds until it starts scanning which will force a new scan
and most likely re-find Classic.



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Woody

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Feb 26, 2018, 4:13:25 PM2/26/18
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"Chris Hogg" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 20:20:01 -0000, "Woody"
> <harro...@ntlworld.com>
> Nope. Pressed 'Menu', twiddled 'tune' knob until 'autotune'
> displayed,
> then pressed 'tune' knob for a few seconds until it started to
> select
> the channels. A row of greyed boxes progressed across the screen,
> took
> about 30 seconds, found 16 stations, no C-FM.
>
> It's disappeared, I tell you!
>

http://support-uk.pure.com/en/kb/articles/resetting-your-pure-dab-radio

This will tell you how to do it. As I said before 'Autotune' will only
update the memories, not make the radio start over.

Scott

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Feb 26, 2018, 4:17:47 PM2/26/18
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:14:45 -0000, "Woody" <harro...@ntlworld.com>
I used to go a step further and do a full scan with the aerial
retracted to clear everything then a second scan with the aerial
extended.

(I appreciate that retracting the aerial won't necessarily stop all
stations but my thinking was it would eliminate the weak and marginal
stations).

Andy Burns

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Feb 26, 2018, 4:20:49 PM2/26/18
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Chris Hogg wrote:

> I used regularly to listen to Classic-FM on my
> PURE Evoke 1S DAB radio, but it has suddenly disappeared

Have they moved onto a DAB+ mux?

Scott

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Feb 26, 2018, 4:24:03 PM2/26/18
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:20:48 +0000, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
No. 128kbps MP2.

Bill Wright

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Feb 26, 2018, 6:00:05 PM2/26/18
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On 26/02/2018 19:27, Brian Gregory wrote:

>>
>
> Or, maybe, a very strong signal from a new local multiplex has started
> up on the next channel up or down and is blocking it.
>

That's a common problem with DAB. It makes the coverage look like a
Swiss cheese.

Bill

Mark Carver

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Feb 27, 2018, 3:25:18 AM2/27/18
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On 26/02/2018 20:03, Chris Hogg wrote:

> Yebbut I wanted to know about DAB and why it's suddenly disappeared
> :-). According to the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/receptionsearch there
> should be four suitable DAB transmitters for my location: St. Just,
> St. Erth, Gulval and Redruth. I presume the first three are relays,
> but I don't seem to be getting any of them.

Classic FM is on the D1 national mux, not the BBC one. The transmitters
you list carry the BBC mux, only Gulval and Redruth carry the D1 mux.

Are you getting other D1 stations, such as LBC, Absolute Radio, and Talk
Sport ?


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Andrew

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Feb 27, 2018, 4:45:51 AM2/27/18
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On 26/02/2018 20:03, Chris Hogg wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:41:43 +0000, Andrew
> <Andrew9...@mybtinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Yebbut I wanted to know about DAB and why it's suddenly disappeared
> :-). According to the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/receptionsearch there
> should be four suitable DAB transmitters for my location: St. Just,
> St. Erth, Gulval and Redruth. I presume the first three are relays,
> but I don't seem to be getting any of them.
>
I still get classic 'FM' on DAB in West Sussex, but it is only
128 kbps. Must be a local issue in Cornwall.

Mark Carver

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Feb 27, 2018, 5:08:51 AM2/27/18
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On 27/02/2018 09:45, Andrew wrote:

> I still get classic 'FM' on DAB in West Sussex, but it is only
> 128 kbps. Must be a local issue in Cornwall.

That can't happen with an SFN, assuming Chris can still actually receive
the D1 mux, and the other stations on it, it'll be something receiver
related.

Scott

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Feb 27, 2018, 5:38:11 AM2/27/18
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 10:08:51 +0000, Mark Carver
<invalid...@gmx.net> wrote:

>On 27/02/2018 09:45, Andrew wrote:
>
>> I still get classic 'FM' on DAB in West Sussex, but it is only
>> 128 kbps. Must be a local issue in Cornwall.
>
>That can't happen with an SFN, assuming Chris can still actually receive
>the D1 mux, and the other stations on it, it'll be something receiver
>related.

Am I right in thinking that Scotland uses a different frequency to the
rest of the UK? Is that because there are Scottish stations or for
some other reason?

Mark Carver

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Feb 27, 2018, 8:30:57 AM2/27/18
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On 27/02/2018 10:38, Scott wrote:

>
> Am I right in thinking that Scotland uses a different frequency to the
> rest of the UK? Is that because there are Scottish stations or for
> some other reason?

It does, it's on 12A rather than 11D. As far as I know it's still
exactly the same config as the rest of the UK, I think the idea was
that stations could use the facility for different ads etc for Scotland,
but none have ever bothered

http://www.wohnort.org/DAB/uknat.html#D1

Mark Carver

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Feb 27, 2018, 9:19:24 AM2/27/18
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On 27/02/2018 13:44, Chris Hogg wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 08:25:19 +0000, Mark Carver
> <invalid...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> On 26/02/2018 20:03, Chris Hogg wrote:
>>
>>> Yebbut I wanted to know about DAB and why it's suddenly disappeared
>>> :-). According to the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/receptionsearch there
>>> should be four suitable DAB transmitters for my location: St. Just,
>>> St. Erth, Gulval and Redruth. I presume the first three are relays,
>>> but I don't seem to be getting any of them.
>>
>> Classic FM is on the D1 national mux, not the BBC one. The transmitters
>> you list carry the BBC mux, only Gulval and Redruth carry the D1 mux.
>>
>> Are you getting other D1 stations, such as LBC, Absolute Radio, and Talk
>> Sport ?
>
> When C-FM first disappeared, three days ago, I went through the
> stations, twiddling the tuning knob looking for C-FM, and a lot of the
> ones that came up had a question mark against them, including C-FM. I
> don't remember what they all were, but I assume they were available at
> one time but now are not.
>
> A complete re-tune, following Woody's instructions, gives me the
> following: BBC Asian Network; BBC Radio Cornwall; BBC Radio 1 Extra;
> BBC Radio 1; BBC Radio 2; BBC Radio 3; BBC Radio 4 Extra; BBC Radio 4;
> Parliament; BBC Radio 5 Live; BBC Radio 6 Music; BBC World Service;
> Capital UK; Gold; Heart Cornwall; Pirate 70s; Pirate FM.
>
> So no, I'm not getting LBC, Absolute Radio, and Talk Sport. Whether I
> ever did, I don't know.

You are not getting the D1 mux, just the BBC national mux, and the local
Cornish one

http://www.wohnort.org/DAB/ukloc.html#Cornwall

So it's not a Classic FM problem per se, for some reason you've lost the
D1 mux, (perhaps the D1 Tx at Redruth has died)

Brian Gaff

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Feb 27, 2018, 12:03:33 PM2/27/18
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Your Pure will see it, but it won't play it. Certainly my Sonus based on the
evoke 1 has similar issues with dab plus. When I enquired of one of the
other broadcasters on dab plus they simply said get a more modern radio.


I have not looked at mine for carsick fm though, one would have thought if
such a national change was going to happen then everyone would have been
warned and London switched first.
Brian

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> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:20:48 +0000, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Er...possibly. How would I know, and if they have, does that mean my
> PURE won't be able to find it?
>
> --
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> Chris


tony sayer

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Feb 27, 2018, 6:08:53 PM2/27/18
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In article <7b-dnYQGH-kbwgnH...@giganews.com>, Brian
Gregory <void-invalid...@gmail.com> scribeth thus
Quite likely when we commissioned the small scale test DAB service was
informed by the man from Ofcom that he had to do some field tests to
make sure we didn't block anyone else nearby.

Seems that DAB front ends are wide open and untuned!..
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Mark Carver

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Feb 28, 2018, 2:18:22 AM2/28/18
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On 27/02/2018 22:59, tony sayer wrote:

>
> Seems that DAB front ends are wide open and untuned!..
>

They are. With my car radio, DAB mutes in the vicinity of anything 'VHF'
that's powerful.

Brian Gaff

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Feb 28, 2018, 2:48:37 AM2/28/18
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I can assure everyone that hear in London its alive and well on dab normal.
However a lot of stations seem to be migrating, most seem to be regional,
country music, or niche audience ones.
No bbc or commercial mains or bbc locals.

Brian

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Andy Burns

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Feb 28, 2018, 4:08:01 AM2/28/18
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Chris Hogg wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Have they moved onto a DAB+ mux?
>
> Er...possibly. How would I know, and if they have, does that mean my
> PURE won't be able to find it?

I seem to have lost Classic FM and PlanetRock (who seem to mention
moving mux and leaving behind an old zPlanetRock and should see a new
PlanetRock without the Z) I see two planet rocks, but neither of them
will play.

External DAB aerial so would hope it's not a signal issue, will point my
SDR "toy" spectroscope at the relevant band later ...

My Evoke 3 can't do DAB+, wish it wouldn't keep every station it has
*ever* seen in the EPG, cluttered with temporary pop-up stations and a
million versions of Absolute Radio etc

Bill Wright

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Feb 28, 2018, 4:09:25 AM2/28/18
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On 27/02/2018 14:19, Mark Carver wrote:

>
> So it's not a Classic FM problem per se, for some reason you've lost the
> D1 mux, (perhaps the D1 Tx at Redruth has died)


Armed with this suggestion, contact Classic FM.

Bill

charles

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Feb 28, 2018, 4:11:00 AM2/28/18
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In article <ffn3dq...@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 27/02/2018 22:59, tony sayer wrote:

> >
> > Seems that DAB front ends are wide open and untuned!..
> >

> They are. With my car radio, DAB mutes in the vicinity of anything 'VHF'
> that's powerful.

It happens to my DAB car radio when I pass a local garage, I wonder what
they are up to.

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Andy Burns

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Feb 28, 2018, 4:19:27 AM2/28/18
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Bill Wright wrote:

> Mark Carver wrote:
>
>> So it's not a Classic FM problem per se, for some reason you've lost the
>> D1 mux, (perhaps the D1 Tx at Redruth has died)
>
> Armed with this suggestion, contact Classic FM.

I should have several D1 sites within range (Waltham, Copy Oak, Houghton
on the Hill and Leicester Cardinal) but get nothing for classic rock either

Actually something may have changed ... I always get interference when
passing within say 300 yards of Houghton that cuts out the BBC national
mux, which is not transmitted from there, but obviously got swamped.

Then from about a year ago, any time I was within 10 miles of Houghton,
I got burbling on BBC stations, but the day before yesterday I didn't
notice at the time, but thinking about it now, no burbling just the
"clean" cut off when very close.

So maybe they've turned the wick down on something?

Scott

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Feb 28, 2018, 5:24:14 AM2/28/18
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 09:07:58 +0000, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>
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I largely resolved that problem with a full retune with the aerial
down followed by another returne with the aerial fully extended.

Andy Burns

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Feb 28, 2018, 6:07:25 AM2/28/18
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Scott wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> My Evoke 3 can't do DAB+, wish it wouldn't keep every station it has
>> *ever* seen in the EPG, cluttered with temporary pop-up stations and a
>> million versions of Absolute Radio etc
>
> I largely resolved that problem with a full retune with the aerial
> down followed by another returne with the aerial fully extended.

I don't think a re-tune ever deletes stations on mine, only adds them;
it finds 54 stations during a scan, but has 194 in the EPG (including 10
copies of XFM).

I could do a factory reset, which I believe would flush them, but it
would take me ages to remember all the other settings it has undone, and
which I have to find buried within the menus and re-do manually, and the
crud soon builds up again.

At least, a re-tune has restored ClassicFM and the "second" PlanetRock.

Adrian Caspersz

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Feb 28, 2018, 7:34:39 AM2/28/18
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On 26/02/18 19:08, Chris Hogg wrote:
Has Classic-FM stopped
> broadcasting down here in West Cornwall?
>

Under the trades descriptions act[1], under general rules about
passing-off and misrepresentation, all stations trading as something-FM
on DAB should be immediately renamed to something-DAB instead.

Classic-DAB sounds an adequately damp squibb'ish name to use ... :-p

[1] - my revision, 3.38473298 sub-section 4, paragraph 6.32 (amended)

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Scott

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Feb 28, 2018, 7:53:59 AM2/28/18
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:07:21 +0000, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
My Evoke-1 has an option under 'Set up' > 'Station order' > 'Prune
Stations'.

Scott

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Feb 28, 2018, 7:55:04 AM2/28/18
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I assume you would require Mars Bars to be renamed also :-)

Brian Gaff

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Yes but the blade must be pretty blunt as it puts them all back next retune.
Brian

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Brian Gaff

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Yes my sonos 1 pure does exactly the same. You need to figure out what they
call manual tune, but then it still has them, it just hides the ones you
tell it to until another retune again
Jazz fm has a dab mono and a dab plus stereo feed here, I can see both but
only get the normal one.
The issue is having looked at the modern radios as mentioned in another
thread, I find there is not one I can use without sighted help. Somebody
needs to fix this situation. it cannot be that hard we even get speaking
battery charges these days, so why not radios?
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Brian Gaff

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You know this will not be happening. I listen to mushroom FM on the
internet, it has no fm outlet and is based in NZ andMushroom Stream sounds
like some kind of food processor.
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Brian Gaff

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I think the only way i can get that to work is do it inside a faraday cage.
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Andy Burns

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Brian Gaff wrote:

> the blade must be pretty blunt as it puts them all back next retune.

Mine doesn't have that option

Scott

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Mar 1, 2018, 7:57:12 AM3/1/18
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 17:43:40 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
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>Yes but the blade must be pretty blunt as it puts them all back next retune.
> Brian

Not the ones that are no longer broadcasting.

Scott

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On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 10:12:59 +0000, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Brian Gaff wrote:
>
>> the blade must be pretty blunt as it puts them all back next retune.
>
>Mine doesn't have that option

Surprising. I assumed the firmware would be much the same in them
all. You did find 'station order'?

Andy Burns

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Mar 1, 2018, 8:09:02 AM3/1/18
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Scott wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Mine doesn't have that option
>
> Surprising. I assumed the firmware would be much the same in them
> all. You did find 'station order'?

I didn't, but I've found it now and removed them ... thanks.


tony sayer

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In article <ffnlut...@mid.individual.net>, Adrian Caspersz
<em...@here.invalid> scribeth thus
I heard from a source in Global radio that they were going to re name it
to just "Classic"..

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