Emmerdale - Worse than ever
Dcjtee
Bloody glad I ain't epileptic!
Dave
wstott
> They seem to be chucking out 3 frames of 4 tonight!
>
> Bloody glad I ain't epileptic!
So it wasn't just me who thought it seemed "flickery"
Willie
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Dom Robinson
says...
> dcj...@aol.comspamless (Dcjtee) wrote:
>
> > They seem to be chucking out 3 frames of 4 tonight!
> >
> > Bloody glad I ain't epileptic!
>
> So it wasn't just me who thought it seemed "flickery"
I emailed dutyo...@itv.co.uk about it the other day and got the following
reply (note the indentations which indicate it's a standard reply from the
producer):
>Chris.M...@granadamedia.com
>Subject: Re: Emmerdale Format Change
Dear Mr Robinson
Thank you for your recent email which I have logged. Please find below the
response from the Producer, Steve Frost.
If I can be of further assistance please don't hesitate to contact me - I
will be delighted to help.
Yours sincerely
Chris Marshall
DUTY OFFICER
>Dear Mr Robinson
>
>> Thank you for your recent comments regarding Emmerdale's new filmic look.
>> I have taken note of them and will give them serious consideration when
>> appraising the look of the programme in future.
>>
>> The new look is a minor modernisation as Emmerdale passes it's 30th
>> birthday and is intended to enrich the visual quality of the programme. I
>> am very sorry that you do not like the new look, but hope very much that
>> you will continue to watch and enjoy Emmerdale.
>>
>> Thank you for your interest and comments.
>>
>> Yours sincerely
>>
>> Steve Frost
>> Producer
>>
>> If you wish to take your complaint further, you may write to the
>> Independent Television Commission (ITC), 33 Foley Street, London W1P 7LB.
Of course the ITC won't care. I sent back the reply:
Hi Chris,
Thanks for your reply, and it sounds remarkably similar to Channel 4's response
when I asked them about Brookside, because there's no way you can enrich the
visual quality of the programme when you throw half the frames away and
duplicate the previous respective frame to make up the difference, as is
the process of field-removed video.
This type of effect really does not suit soap operas and was part of the reason
I stopped watching Brookside.
Thanks in advance,
Dom Robinson
Editor, DVDfever.co.uk
Of course, what Chris Marshall doesn't know is that I don't watch Emmerdale but
have seen the effect and if this sort of thing isn't nipped in the bud then
it'll spread to programmes I do care about.
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bmrt
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> Thanks for your reply, and it sounds remarkably similar to Channel 4's
response
> when I asked them about Brookside, because there's no way you can enrich
the
> visual quality of the programme when you throw half the frames away and
> duplicate the previous respective frame to make up the difference, as is
> the process of field-removed video.
Of course the ITC won't care when joe public makes a statement like above.
They are throwing away half the fields NOT frames. I think its the even
fields that go & then they duplicate the remaining field, so that it gives
the same number of fields[okay you could call in frames here] as in a film
25. [Remember 50 fields in video = 25 frames [2 fields per frame]]
Just complain about it looking awful and they listen, dont try to blagg them
with technical jargon. BBC viewers complained about how awful Casualty
looked within 4 episodes of the start of the series it was re-edited and
change back to normal.
Where did you find the ITV Duty Office email address from ??? Had a damn
good look and can't find it.
Dave
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Dom Robinson
says...
> Of course the ITC won't care when joe public makes a statement like above.
>
> They are throwing away half the fields NOT frames. I think its the even
> fields that go & then they duplicate the remaining field, so that it gives
> the same number of fields[okay you could call in frames here] as in a film
> 25. [Remember 50 fields in video = 25 frames [2 fields per frame]]
I meant fields not frames. D'oh.
> Just complain about it looking awful and they listen, dont try to blagg them
> with technical jargon. BBC viewers complained about how awful Casualty
> looked within 4 episodes of the start of the series it was re-edited and
> change back to normal.
I'll name that tune in three episodes. I think that was how soon it took :)
It just looks like something they do on the fly, which is why it looks so
awful.
I presume they'd have edited some of the episodes like that, but still have
them as they looked originally, as when they repeated one of these episodes the
following summer it was back to normal.
> Where did you find the ITV Duty Office email address from ??? Had a damn
> good look and can't find it.
I emailed dutyo...@itv.co.uk after I got that from somewhere, and the reply
came back from dutyo...@itv.co.uk so I always send to that for a general ITV
one (eg. the "onscreen nexts" such as the spinning "NEXT: Programme Name" that
recently appeared a full 10 minutes before Airline ended, and was then
trailered over Airline's closing credits anyway. They're just showing contempt
for the viewer as much as possible)
Stephen Neal
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[snip]
> I'll name that tune in three episodes. I think that was how soon it took
:)
>
> It just looks like something they do on the fly, which is why it looks so
> awful.
>
> I presume they'd have edited some of the episodes like that, but still
have
> them as they looked originally, as when they repeated one of these
episodes the
> following summer it was back to normal.
I think that most shows will be edited in normal 50 fps video format, and
possibly then be graded to colour balance dodgy stuff, and then finally be
fed through a DVE, ARC 100 (in flicker mode) or some non-linear post
production flicker device once they are edited to length (Thus you only need
to process 30-60mins of video in one burst rather than sit there doing it
shot by shot in the on-line - meaning you don't need the flicker device for
as long). The captions will probably then be added as the final stage, so
they don't flicker or suffer a resolution loss. Chances are all Casualty
had to do was edit the credits/captions onto the unflickered version.
Steve
bmrt
> possibly then be graded to colour balance dodgy stuff, and then finally be
> fed through a DVE, ARC 100 (in flicker mode) or some non-linear post
> production flicker device once they are edited to length (Thus you only
need
> to process 30-60mins of video in one burst rather than sit there doing it
> shot by shot in the on-line - meaning you don't need the flicker device
for
> as long). The captions will probably then be added as the final stage, so
> they don't flicker or suffer a resolution loss. Chances are all Casualty
> had to do was edit the credits/captions onto the unflickered version.
>
This is our guidelines on the Filmic Effect -
http://www.granadamedia.com/cyberdocs/GranadaProgGuide6_1c.pdf
As Stephen correctly points out you only do the episode rather than the pre
production stuff and we insist you have a guard with no Fx on it.
Stephen Neal
"bmrt" <bm...@clara.knot.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > I think that most shows will be edited in normal 50 fps video format,
and
> > possibly then be graded to colour balance dodgy stuff, and then finally
be
> > fed through a DVE, ARC 100 (in flicker mode) or some non-linear post
> > production flicker device once they are edited to length (Thus you only
> need
> > to process 30-60mins of video in one burst rather than sit there doing
it
> > shot by shot in the on-line - meaning you don't need the flicker device
> for
> > as long). The captions will probably then be added as the final stage,
so
> > they don't flicker or suffer a resolution loss. Chances are all
Casualty
> > had to do was edit the credits/captions onto the unflickered version.
> >
>
> This is our guidelines on the Filmic Effect -
>
> http://www.granadamedia.com/cyberdocs/GranadaProgGuide6_1c.pdf
>
> As Stephen correctly points out you only do the episode rather than the
pre
> production stuff and we insist you have a guard with no Fx on it.
Interesting document Dave - out of interest what is wrong with D1 as an
acquisition format (say for recording the output of a TK?) Is it that most
are limited to 8 bits?! (As it is an uncompressed 4:2:2 format I would have
thought it was superior to DigiBeta, IMX and the DV50 formats (Digital
S/DVCPro 50)???
Is it just that it is obsolete? (I would have thought if anyone was still
running the machines the results would still be more than acceptable as a
source?)
Steve
>
Dcjtee
And I meant I am probably older than you! We had different
names for many things in Ye Olden Days.
Dave
Neil Trangmar
Affairs, Brookside, Hollyoaks.
I personally HATE the processing
Neil
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> They've started sticking Emmerdale through FILMLOOK now, as per Family
> Affairs, Brookside, Hollyoaks.
>
> I personally HATE the processing
Funnily enough.....I actually like this process. Takes me back to when
series were shot on film as opposed to video. I don't notice any flickering
or anything and I just think everything looks more....well, "filmic" I
suppose!
Simon
Dom Robinson
Neil.Trangm...@btinternet.com says...
> They've started sticking Emmerdale through FILMLOOK now, as per Family
> Affairs, Brookside, Hollyoaks.
>
> I personally HATE the processing
>
> www.filmlook.com
The other day I posted my standard reply from the producer about it, and how I
replied back to them, and then got this reply today:
"Dear Mr Robinson,
I will, of course, forward your further comments to the Producer. With
regards to a return to the 'old look', the tapes have already been prepared
for the month ahead so will continue at least until then. However, all
feedback is welcome in assessing the future of this style and your input is
appreciated.
Regards,
Chris Marshall
DUTY OFFICER"
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Simes
>
> The other day I posted my standard reply from the producer about it, and
how I
> replied back to them, and then got this reply today:
>
> "Dear Mr Robinson,
>
> I will, of course, forward your further comments to the Producer. With
> regards to a return to the 'old look', the tapes have already been
prepared
> for the month ahead so will continue at least until then. However, all
> feedback is welcome in assessing the future of this style and your input
is
> appreciated.
Like I say, I personally like the ' filmic' look. I liked it when they tried
it with CASUALTY as I thought it gave the episode a more 'punchy' look...a
bit like an episode of THE SWEENEY!! I'm unsure whether the filmic style
actually suits a soap opera. Would it suit Coronation St for example?? I'm
not sure......
But if a majority don't like it (or the process isn't done right) then I
would hope that the producers would return to the old style. The reply you
got Dom suggests to me that - for all their noble words - thats how
Emmerdale will now be screened, like it or not.
Of course I could be wrong:-)
Simon
Dom Robinson
simon...@NOJUNKMAILyahoo.co.uk says...
Get those cataracts fixed. It looks nothing like film. Unless you dropped all
your video tapes in hydrochloric acid before you watch them.