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lawren...@equant.com

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Dec 29, 2006, 3:08:13 AM12/29/06
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I have a sky digital setup in the UK.

I am having problems with my dish when I am trying to view INI on
transponder 11.662/H Sky channel 767.

The dish is located over a polycarbonate conservatory roof. If I line
up the dish to wnable this channel to be received, I find a few hours
later the channel is no longer available. (Sky box says that there is
no satellite signal being received).

I have found that if I now open my kitchen door to the conservatory
(This door being directly below the dish), I find that the channel
becomes available again..It seems that the door is acting like some
sort of aerial!!

The dish is located near the first floor bedroom window...

Does anyone have any explanation for this behaviour?

James

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Dec 29, 2006, 4:04:14 AM12/29/06
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<lawren...@equant.com> wrote in message
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Yes, I have a similar problem.....

If I am watching Bloomberg and the kids go in the bath I lose this channel.
If however they take a duck in the bath with them the channel remains.
Weird init !!!?? : ((


TroJon

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Dec 29, 2006, 4:54:57 AM12/29/06
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If I understand correctly - you mean the OP is talking bollox :-)

Tro

Bill Wright

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Dec 29, 2006, 9:51:21 AM12/29/06
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Presumably the house is rigid? You aren't in a chalet-type building?

Bill


Jan Panteltje

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Dec 29, 2006, 10:09:26 AM12/29/06
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On a sunny day (Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:51:21 -0000) it happened "Bill Wright"
<insertmybu...@f2s.com> wrote in <en3a1a$6gg$1...@news.freedom2surf.net>:

Or the cable is stuck between the door :-)

lawren...@equant.com

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Dec 29, 2006, 1:32:23 PM12/29/06
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This problem makes no sense to me either....!!!

The house if stand solid brick construction, and the cable does not go
thro the door, it enters the roof space and then thro the wall to the
lounge

Stephen

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Dec 29, 2006, 3:37:36 PM12/29/06
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Could there be a multiple reflection somehow putting thermal noise / ground
noise in the path of the dish? Perhaps you should try moving the dish
somewhere else, where it could not be affected by what's going on in the
conservatory beneath it. Polycarbonate is transparent at satellite
frequencies, and has dielectric properties which might conceivably cause
some kind of reflection or refraction.


Jomtien

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Dec 30, 2006, 2:57:30 AM12/30/06
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lawren...@equant.com wrote:

>I am having problems with my dish when I am trying to view INI on
>transponder 11.662/H Sky channel 767.
>
>The dish is located over a polycarbonate conservatory roof. If I line
>up the dish to wnable this channel to be received, I find a few hours
>later the channel is no longer available. (Sky box says that there is
>no satellite signal being received).

What do you mean "to enable this channel to be received"? How is the
reception of the other 200+ FTA and FTV channels?
A correctly aligned dish gets all the channels, all the time. You
NEVER have to adjust it to get one specific channel and if you are
doing so then your installation is all wrong.

I wonder if you haven't incorrectly aligned your dish to receive some
reflection instead of the main beam?
I had a similar problem once with a motorised dish. All set up nicely
for about 5 different birds but I could only get high band channels on
28E. I fooled about for ages with it and then realised that the moving
dish was in fact going past 28E and pointing at a nearby wall and not
at the satellite at all. There was a strong enough reflection off the
wall to bring in the high band channels but not enough for the low
band ones. Once adjusted correctly it worked fine.

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Lawrence Zarb

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Dec 30, 2006, 5:32:47 AM12/30/06
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If you check on transponder 11.662/H you will see that there are only
about 5 channels. they are all obscure channels which most poeple would
not watch.
for some reason this transponder see either to be transmitting weak or
on a tight beam, so all other channels seen to work fine, but I need to
be vey picky in trying to align the dish to receive this particular
transponder...

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Bill Wright

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Dec 30, 2006, 10:28:31 AM12/30/06
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"Lawrence Zarb" <lawren...@equant.com> wrote in message
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> If you check on transponder 11.662/H you will see that there are only
> about 5 channels. they are all obscure channels which most poeple would
> not watch.
> for some reason this transponder see either to be transmitting weak or
> on a tight beam, so all other channels seen to work fine, but I need to
> be vey picky in trying to align the dish to receive this particular
> transponder...

This is the top channel on low band H. Here in the north of England on a
standard Sky dish and LNB it appears to be about 2dB (which is a lot) below
its neighbours, but still has a just tolerable BER of 3.8 E-3, when received
as a low band channel. However, the particular LNB I've just tried performs
better if the transponder is received as high band, in which case the BER is
5.5 E-4, which is a lot better. This is possible on test gear but I can't
imagine that a Skybox would do it.

Strange things happen with LNBs at the very edges of their frequency range.
A different LNB might be the answer.

The channels on the transponder suggest that you are either a Muslim, a
Chinaman, an enthusiast for some of the more extrovert forms of
Christianity, or a gambling addict. Or, I suppose, a combination of any of
these. I'm curious.

Bill


Lawrence Zarb

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Dec 30, 2006, 10:51:57 AM12/30/06
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In fact I am a Christian and channel 767 is the Inspiration network, a
Christian Broadcast channel..

Vaughan

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Dec 30, 2006, 11:00:05 AM12/30/06
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Lawrence Zarb wrote:
> In fact I am a Christian and channel 767 is the Inspiration network, a
> Christian Broadcast channel..

Couldn't God boost the signal strength for you?


Adrian A

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Dec 30, 2006, 11:13:11 AM12/30/06
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Of course not, he doesn't exist!


Bill Wright

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Dec 30, 2006, 1:14:14 PM12/30/06
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"Lawrence Zarb" <lawren...@equant.com> wrote in message
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> In fact I am a Christian and channel 767 is the Inspiration network, a
> Christian Broadcast channel..

Yes well, I think having looked at the signal in some detail on your behalf
this afternoon that if that channel was going to be an important part of my
viewing I'd consider a Zone 2 dish. That's the slightly bigger one intended
for the north-west third of the UK. I'm assuming you're not in the
north-west third of the UK. . .

Bill


Lawrence Zarb

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Dec 31, 2006, 8:47:17 PM12/31/06
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Bill,

I live in Surrey, and it was my consideration.

As I have a second digibox I was thinking of replacing the LNB with a
better twin/quad output unit.

Would this also sove the problem?

Bill Wright

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Dec 31, 2006, 9:59:01 PM12/31/06
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"Lawrence Zarb" <lawren...@equant.com> wrote in message
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> Bill,
>
> I live in Surrey, and it was my consideration.
>
> As I have a second digibox I was thinking of replacing the LNB with a
> better twin/quad output unit.
>
> Would this also sove the problem?

Only if the LNB you have now is performing less well than the new one would
on that frequency, and if the degree of improvement is enough to cure the
fault.

I think the door-opening issue is a red herring. Your reception is marginal,
that's all that matters. It could be the LNB that's faulty or it could be in
spec but inadequate for a weak mux at the edge of the band. Slight dish
misalignment or distortion could be responsible. The receiver could have a
tuner problem affecting the top end only. The cable could be
cheap/wet/kinked, affecting the top end only.

Bill


Lawrence Zarb

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Jan 1, 2007, 2:18:27 PM1/1/07
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Thanks for your response Bill,

for your information I have already tried 2 other LNB's ,and another
digibox.

I have had this setup for 3 years now and its only in the last 4 months
that I have been having this problem.

At the moment I'm looking at getting the larger Zone 2 dish...

Lawrence

Bill Wright

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Jan 1, 2007, 4:47:00 PM1/1/07
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"Lawrence Zarb" <lawren...@equant.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks for your response Bill,
>
> for your information I have already tried 2 other LNB's ,and another
> digibox.
>
> I have had this setup for 3 years now and its only in the last 4 months
> that I have been having this problem.
>
> At the moment I'm looking at getting the larger Zone 2 dish...

Because the channel is at the top end of low band, the LNB downconverts it
to a frequency right at the top of the satellite IF band. This means that
the signal going down the coax is actually the highest frequency that the
cable has to carry. Therefore the slightest cable fault is likely to be
significant. I suggest you change the cable, or at least install a temporary
cable as a test.

I have seen instances in which the strength of the higher muxes at the
receiver has been many dBs below the lower ones. Even when they remain
strong enough per se, the fact that they are perhaps 25dB below others seems
to upset many satellite receivers.

Bill


Stephen

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Jan 2, 2007, 7:58:26 PM1/2/07
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"Bill Wright" <insertmybu...@f2s.com> wrote in message
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> "Lawrence Zarb" <lawren...@equant.com> wrote in message
> news:f7bd0bab68b774c5389...@mygate.mailgate.org...
> > Thanks for your response Bill, for your information I have already tried
> > 2 other LNB's, and another digibox. I have had this setup for 3 years

> > now and its only in the last 4 months that I have been having this
> > problem. At the moment I'm looking at getting the larger Zone 2 dish...
>
> Because the channel is at the top end of low band, the LNB downconverts it
> to a frequency right at the top of the satellite IF band. This means that
> the signal going down the coax is actually the highest frequency that the
> cable has to carry. Therefore the slightest cable fault is likely to be
> significant. I suggest you change the cable, or at least install a
> temporary cable as a test.
>
> I have seen instances in which the strength of the higher muxes at the
> receiver has been many dBs below the lower ones. Even when they remain
> strong enough per se, the fact that they are perhaps 25dB below others
> seems to upset many satellite receivers.
>
> Bill

Do you mean 25dB, or should it be 2.5dB or 2 to 5dB perhaps? 25dB sounds
like a very big difference. If it really is 25dB then in theory you could
still get some Sky channels with a dish that was "25dB smaller". By my
calculations that would mean a 3cm dish!

Perhaps that's how the "pipe antenna" works. I don't see how the capture
area can be any larger than the end of the pipe which is about 12cm, making
it equivalent to a 12cm dish, but the length of the pipe (about 1 metre)
would work like a boresight and narrow the field of view enough to pick out
just one satellite. Has anyone here ever tried a pipe antenna?


Bill Wright

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Jan 2, 2007, 8:55:59 PM1/2/07
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"Stephen" <ste...@junkmail.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Bill Wright" <insertmybu...@f2s.com> wrote in message
>> I have seen instances in which the strength of the higher muxes at the
>> receiver has been many dBs below the lower ones. Even when they remain
>> strong enough per se, the fact that they are perhaps 25dB below others
>> seems to upset many satellite receivers.
>>
>> Bill
>
> Do you mean 25dB, or should it be 2.5dB or 2 to 5dB perhaps? 25dB sounds
> like a very big difference. If it really is 25dB then in theory you could
> still get some Sky channels with a dish that was "25dB smaller". By my
> calculations that would mean a 3cm dish!

Unfortunately your calculations are based on an incorrect assumption. The
dish size is required primarily to provide enough signal at the LNB to give
an adequate ratio between the signal and the LNB noise. The signal is
downconverted and amplified a great deal in the LNB, but of course the s/n
ratio does not improve. The LNB output is far stronger than is needed at the
receiver input. So quite horrendous things can happen between the LNB and
the receiver. Once line power for the LNB is taken care of, the output from
an LNB can be transmitted from a half wave dipole (about half an inch?) and
received on a similar aerial several yards away, with good results. But
receivers tend not to like massive inequalities of signal level.

The high level of LNB outputs is a big factor in satellite IF breakthrough
into UHF circuits.

Bill


Paul Ratcliffe

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Jan 2, 2007, 9:14:02 PM1/2/07
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On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 00:58:26 -0000, Stephen <ste...@junkmail.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

>> I have seen instances in which the strength of the higher muxes at the
>> receiver has been many dBs below the lower ones. Even when they remain
>> strong enough per se, the fact that they are perhaps 25dB below others
>> seems to upset many satellite receivers.
>>
>> Bill
>
> Do you mean 25dB, or should it be 2.5dB or 2 to 5dB perhaps? 25dB sounds
> like a very big difference. If it really is 25dB then in theory you could
> still get some Sky channels with a dish that was "25dB smaller". By my
> calculations that would mean a 3cm dish!

You have made a fundamental error in thinking that the level of the signal
at the receiver is what is important. It isn't. It's the carrier-noise
ratio that is important and you get that by putting a 'big' dish on the
front of a low noise amplifier. You then stick loads of gain in to allow
it to drive a long cable run. Sometimes, you need to chain amplifiers and
cable to give you very long runs - it is the bit at the front that is
the most important, not the bit at the end.

Lawrence Zarb

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Jan 6, 2007, 7:23:14 AM1/6/07
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I agree, the door issue should be a red herring, but it definately has
an effect.

At night when the channel is "unavailable", opening to door allows the
channel to be watched!!

Very strange..

Peter Fox

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Jan 7, 2007, 9:55:33 AM1/7/07
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<lawren...@equant.com> wrote in message
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It might be a silly question, but is the dish fixed to the wall of the house
or to the conservatory roof?

Peter Fox


Lawrence Zarb

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Jan 8, 2007, 3:55:38 PM1/8/07
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Peter,

It is fixed to the wall

Lawrence Zarb

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Jan 16, 2007, 10:12:09 PM1/16/07
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I've tried a larger zone 2 dish, with no improvement.

One thing that may be relevent is that when I try to line up the dish
using the satellite meter, I cannot get a stable reading, the meter
fluctuates widely.

I beleive there may be reflections bouncing off the polycarbonate roof.

I now have enough spares to make up a complete system so will test my
theory by setting up a second dish a ground level away from the
conservatory

Bill Wright

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"Lawrence Zarb" <lawren...@equant.com> wrote in message
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> I've tried a larger zone 2 dish, with no improvement.
>
> One thing that may be relevent is that when I try to line up the dish
> using the satellite meter, I cannot get a stable reading, the meter
> fluctuates widely.
>
> I beleive there may be reflections bouncing off the polycarbonate roof.
>
> I now have enough spares to make up a complete system so will test my
> theory by setting up a second dish a ground level away from the
> conservatory

This is very interesting. Please keep us posted. There's something very odd
happening, that's for sure.

You could try putting a thick duvet on top of the roof as an experiment.
But:
-- I've never encountered a problem caused by signal reflections from
objects near the dish
-- why would polycaronate be an efficient reflector?
-- even a minidish has the LNB aperture reasonable well targeted on the
dish.

I assume that you are sure that there are no objects in the signal path,
such as tree branches.

Bill


Marky P

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Jan 17, 2007, 6:42:15 PM1/17/07
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:52:02 -0000, "Bill Wright"
<insertmybu...@f2s.com> wrote:

>
>"Lawrence Zarb" <lawren...@equant.com> wrote in message
>news:ff96233e2b5cbbd9650...@mygate.mailgate.org...
>> I've tried a larger zone 2 dish, with no improvement.
>>
>> One thing that may be relevent is that when I try to line up the dish
>> using the satellite meter, I cannot get a stable reading, the meter
>> fluctuates widely.
>>
>> I beleive there may be reflections bouncing off the polycarbonate roof.
>>
>> I now have enough spares to make up a complete system so will test my
>> theory by setting up a second dish a ground level away from the
>> conservatory
>
>This is very interesting. Please keep us posted. There's something very odd
>happening, that's for sure.
>
>You could try putting a thick duvet on top of the roof as an experiment.
>But:

>Bill
>
Don't be silly! He might roll over in his sleep & fall off the roof!

Marky P.

Bill Wright

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"Marky P" <bromham_ho...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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I was assuming he'd use proper PPE -- a harness and lanyard, etc.

Bill

Lawrence Zarb

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Apr 18, 2007, 7:10:34 AM4/18/07
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UPDATE
------

To date I have:

Replaced LNB (twice)
Move Satellite dish (although still over the conservatory roof)
Replaced Satellite receiver
Replaced ALL Cabling

Basically All kit and cabling has been replaced.

One strange thing though...The cable runs from th dish into the lift
where
there is a joint. If I connect my now redundant receiver in the loft it
works
fine!!

R. Mark Clayton

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Apr 18, 2007, 7:34:23 AM4/18/07
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"Lawrence Zarb" <lawren...@equant.com> wrote in message
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> UPDATE
> ------
>
> To date I have:
>
> Replaced LNB (twice)
> Move Satellite dish (although still over the conservatory roof)
> Replaced Satellite receiver
> Replaced ALL Cabling
>
> Basically All kit and cabling has been replaced.
>
> One strange thing though...The cable runs from th dish into the lift
> where
> there is a joint. If I connect my now redundant receiver in the loft it
> works
> fine!!
>

Then you have a wiring fault downstream of that!

Dave Fawthrop

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Apr 18, 2007, 7:51:12 AM4/18/07
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On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:10:34 +0000 (UTC), "Lawrence Zarb"
<lawren...@equant.com> wrote:

|!UPDATE
|!------
|!
|!To date I have:
|!
|!Replaced LNB (twice)
|!Move Satellite dish (although still over the conservatory roof)
|!Replaced Satellite receiver
|!Replaced ALL Cabling
|!
|!Basically All kit and cabling has been replaced.
|!
|!One strange thing though...The cable runs from th dish into the lift
|!where
|!there is a joint. If I connect my now redundant receiver in the loft it
|!works
|!fine!!

Great! You have isolated the fault. to after the loft.
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lawren...@equant.com

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On Apr 18, 11:34 am, "R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclay...@btinternet.com>
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> "Lawrence Zarb" <lawrence.z...@equant.com> wrote in message

Yes, but ALL the kit and cable has been replaced downstream from the
loft...!

lawren...@equant.com

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On Apr 18, 11:51 am, Dave Fawthrop

<inva...@hyphenologist.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:10:34 +0000 (UTC), "Lawrence Zarb"
>
> <lawrence.z...@equant.com> wrote:
>
> |!UPDATE
> |!------
> |!
> |!To date I have:
> |!
> |!Replaced LNB (twice)
> |!Move Satellite dish (although still over the conservatory roof)
> |!Replaced Satellite receiver
> |!Replaced ALL Cabling
> |!
> |!Basically All kit and cabling has been replaced.
> |!
> |!One strange thing though...The cable runs from th dish into the lift
> |!where
> |!there is a joint. If I connect my now redundant receiver in the loft it
> |!works
> |!fine!!
>
> Great! You have isolated the fault. to after the loft.
> --
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Yes, but ALL the kit and cable has been replaced downstream from the
loft...!

R. Mark Clayton

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<lawren...@equant.com> wrote in message
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Including the wall plate?

Do you actually know how to fit F-connectors properly?

Have kinked, cut, pierced, or possibly allowed water into the cable?

Have you inserted any sort of filter or surge arrestor in the cable?

Try your redundant receiver (that you now know works) at the end of the run
and work back towards the loft.


Mike GW8IJT

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Apr 18, 2007, 8:53:31 AM4/18/07
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You obviously have a fault in your new cable installation.
Mike.


Dave Fawthrop

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Apr 18, 2007, 9:00:38 AM4/18/07
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On 18 Apr 2007 05:06:24 -0700, lawren...@equant.com wrote:

|!On Apr 18, 11:51 am, Dave Fawthrop
|!<inva...@hyphenologist.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
|!> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:10:34 +0000 (UTC), "Lawrence Zarb"
|!>
|!> <lawrence.z...@equant.com> wrote:
|!>
|!> |!UPDATE
|!> |!------
|!> |!


|!> |!To date I have:
|!> |!

|!> |!Replaced LNB (twice)
|!> |!Move Satellite dish (although still over the conservatory roof)
|!> |!Replaced Satellite receiver
|!> |!Replaced ALL Cabling
|!> |!


|!> |!Basically All kit and cabling has been replaced.
|!> |!
|!> |!One strange thing though...The cable runs from th dish into the lift

|!> |!where
|!> |!there is a joint. If I connect my now redundant receiver in the loft it
|!> |!works
|!> |!fine!!
|!>
|!> Great! You have isolated the fault. to after the loft.

|!Yes, but ALL the kit and cable has been replaced downstream from the
|!loft...!

Then simply move your receiver slowly from the loft to the place you want
to use the TV. Test at every available point, and you have the position
of the problem.

When I was in the RAF as an Air Radar Fitter, I was taught. "There are
three ways of fault finding. Start at the beginning and move slowly to the
end. Start at the end and move slowly to beginning. Say 'its that
^%$&?% again'." The first two are IME the most reliable, and preferable
to the third.


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lawren...@equant.com

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On Apr 18, 1:00 pm, Dave Fawthrop
<inva...@hyphenologist.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

> On 18 Apr 2007 05:06:24 -0700, lawrence.z...@equant.com wrote:
>
> |!On Apr 18, 11:51 am, Dave Fawthrop|!<inva...@hyphenologist.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>
> |!> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:10:34 +0000 (UTC), "Lawrence Zarb"
> |!>|!> <lawrence.z...@equant.com> wrote:
>
> |!>
> |!> |!UPDATE
> |!> |!------
> |!> |!
> |!> |!To date I have:
> |!> |!
> |!> |!Replaced LNB (twice)
> |!> |!MoveSatellitedish (although still over the conservatory roof)

> |!> |!ReplacedSatellitereceiver
> |!> |!Replaced ALL Cabling
> |!> |!
> |!> |!Basically All kit and cabling has been replaced.
> |!> |!
> |!> |!One strange thing though...The cable runs from th dish into the lift
> |!> |!where
> |!> |!there is a joint. If I connect my now redundant receiver in the loft it
> |!> |!works
> |!> |!fine!!
> |!>
> |!> Great! You have isolated the fault. to after the loft.
>
> |!Yes, but ALL the kit and cable has been replaced downstream from the
> |!loft...!
>
> Then simply move your receiver slowly from the loft to the place you want
> to use the TV. Test at every available point, and you have the position
> of the problem.
>
> When I was in the RAF as an Air Radar Fitter, I was taught. "There are
> three ways of fault finding. Start at the beginning and move slowly to the
> end. Start at the end and move slowly to beginning. Say 'its that
> ^%$&?% again'." The first two are IME the most reliable, and preferable
> to the third.
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How can I do this?, when there is a single cable embeded in the wall
between the loft and the receiver in the lounge. This I have replaced
with a single cable dropped down the chimney!

Derek Johnson

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<lawren...@equant.com> wrote in message
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>This I have replaced
> with a single cable dropped down the chimney!

Don't light the coal-fire, or your cable will melt !!!


Dave Fawthrop

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On 18 Apr 2007 06:23:08 -0700, lawren...@equant.com wrote:

|!On Apr 18, 1:00 pm, Dave Fawthrop
|!<inva...@hyphenologist.co.uk.invalid> wrote:


|!> On 18 Apr 2007 05:06:24 -0700, lawrence.z...@equant.com wrote:
|!>

|!> |!On Apr 18, 11:51 am, Dave Fawthrop|!<inva...@hyphenologist.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
|!>

|!> |!> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:10:34 +0000 (UTC), "Lawrence Zarb"


|!> |!>|!> <lawrence.z...@equant.com> wrote:
|!>
|!> |!>

|!> |!> |!UPDATE
|!> |!> |!------


|!> |!> |!
|!> |!> |!To date I have:
|!> |!> |!
|!> |!> |!Replaced LNB (twice)

|!> |!> |!MoveSatellitedish (although still over the conservatory roof)
|!> |!> |!ReplacedSatellitereceiver
|!> |!> |!Replaced ALL Cabling


|!> |!> |!
|!> |!> |!Basically All kit and cabling has been replaced.
|!> |!> |!
|!> |!> |!One strange thing though...The cable runs from th dish into the lift

|!> |!> |!where
|!> |!> |!there is a joint. If I connect my now redundant receiver in the loft it
|!> |!> |!works
|!> |!> |!fine!!
|!> |!>


|!> |!> Great! You have isolated the fault. to after the loft.
|!>

|!> |!Yes, but ALL the kit and cable has been replaced downstream from the
|!> |!loft...!
|!>
|!> Then simply move your receiver slowly from the loft to the place you want
|!> to use the TV. Test at every available point, and you have the position
|!> of the problem.
|!>
|!> When I was in the RAF as an Air Radar Fitter, I was taught. "There are
|!> three ways of fault finding. Start at the beginning and move slowly to the
|!> end. Start at the end and move slowly to beginning. Say 'its that
|!> ^%$&?% again'." The first two are IME the most reliable, and preferable
|!> to the third.

|!How can I do this?, when there is a single cable embeded in the wall
|!between the loft and the receiver in the lounge. This I have replaced
|!with a single cable dropped down the chimney!

Well in that case it must be that cable. :-)
Maybe you kinked it somehow. maybe the F connectors are not properly
fitted.


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Peter Hayes

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Lawrence Zarb <lawren...@equant.com> wrote:

> UPDATE
> ------
>
> To date I have:
>
> Replaced LNB (twice)
> Move Satellite dish (although still over the conservatory roof)
> Replaced Satellite receiver
> Replaced ALL Cabling
>
> Basically All kit and cabling has been replaced.
>
> One strange thing though...The cable runs from th dish into the lift
> where there is a joint. If I connect my now redundant receiver in the loft
> it works fine!!

Replace the entire run of cabling with one length, no joints.

Or replace the joint connector with an inline amplifier, £6 on eBay.
Search for amplifier in Satellite/ Cable & Freeview Finder.

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lawren...@equant.com

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On Apr 20, 10:56 am, notinu...@btinternet.com (Peter Hayes) wrote:

I already had an inline amplifier fitted, which I have now removed.
At the moment the signal strength and quality is about 50%, as per the
skybox signal quality page. Now when I refit the amplifier I lose all
channels..

Peter Hayes

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<lawren...@equant.com> wrote:

> On Apr 20, 10:56 am, notinu...@btinternet.com (Peter Hayes) wrote:
> > Lawrence Zarb <lawrence.z...@equant.com> wrote:
> > > UPDATE
> > > ------
> >
> > > To date I have:
> >
> > > Replaced LNB (twice)
> > > Move Satellite dish (although still over the conservatory roof)
> > > Replaced Satellite receiver
> > > Replaced ALL Cabling
> >
> > > Basically All kit and cabling has been replaced.
> >
> > > One strange thing though...The cable runs from th dish into the lift
> > > where there is a joint. If I connect my now redundant receiver in the loft
> > > it works fine!!
> >
> > Replace the entire run of cabling with one length, no joints.
> >
> > Or replace the joint connector with an inline amplifier, £6 on eBay.
> > Search for amplifier in Satellite/ Cable & Freeview Finder.
>

> I already had an inline amplifier fitted, which I have now removed.
> At the moment the signal strength and quality is about 50%, as per the
> skybox signal quality page. Now when I refit the amplifier I lose all
> channels..

Faulty amplifier?

I still believe your best option is to replace the cabling with one
continuous length of CT100, boring that it might be.

Peter

Bill Wright

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Apr 20, 2007, 8:02:19 AM4/20/07
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<lawren...@equant.com> wrote in message
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What, do you mean you have an in-line amp on the dish cable? That's likely
to give the receiver indgestion unless the cable is very long. I'd expect it
to cause a great reduction in signal quality.

Bill


lawren...@equant.com

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Apr 20, 2007, 9:20:30 AM4/20/07
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The amplifier was removed along time ago....

Throughout my investigations I've occassionally refitted it to see if
it make any imporviements, but it just seems to affected the other
channels, probable too strong a signal

funkmish

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It is a *satellite* amplifier and not an aerial amplifier, right?

Superaffiliate7.com

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At www.superaffiliate7.com you will find a web site oriented towards Heath
products - home harware such as Tv, compuer ect...
other Affiliates are related to join a satellite TV netwark, or download
commercial Movies.

<lawren...@equant.com> wrote in message

Buddenbrooks

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"Superaffiliate7.com" <gem...@live.com> wrote in message
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> At www.superaffiliate7.com you will find a web site oriented towards
> Heath products - home harware such as Tv, compuer ect...
> other Affiliates are related to join a satellite TV netwark, or download
> commercial Movies.
>


Sounds as if you installed it after eating poor quality heath food
products or SPAM.

Demonic

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Do you use a DECT phone?

If so, it is likely that the door is altering the radiation pattern of
the phone base station. DECT phones affect certain channels but it is
not always easy to say which ones because Sky swap the transponder
allocation so often.

Anth

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"Demonic" <n...@no.no> wrote in message
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> Superaffiliate7.com wrote:
>
>
> Do you use a DECT phone?
>
> If so, it is likely that the door is altering the radiation pattern of the
> phone base station. DECT phones affect certain channels but it is not
> always easy to say which ones because Sky swap the transponder allocation
> so often.
>

You may not have solved his problems but you've certainly cured mine!. a
problem that's been plaguing me for months, which was breakup on all of the
Sky music channels.

My Panasonic receiver (which I have replaced along with almost everything
else) is connected to a 90 cm dish with a Sharp 0.3db LNB via CT100 cable,
signal strength and quality shows around 95%.

The dish is mounted on the back of my garage close to the house and using a
'clino master' showed that from the point of view of elevation the apex of
the roof, along with neighbouring trees, is a very close run thing, in fact
I got so fed up that I had given up using that group of channels altogether,
the phone must be 15 feet away from the receiver and nowhere near the dish
or wiring, however out of curiosity I unpluged the wall-wart and guess what?
rock solid pictures, Thanks!

Graham.

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> You may not have solved his problems but you've certainly cured mine!. a
> problem that's been plaguing me for months, which was breakup on all of
> the Sky music channels.

For once you can thank the spammer foe re-activating a 3 year old thread!
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Brian Gaff

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I think he must have bought one of those cheap keyboards we had. I should
have smelled a rat when I saw the name of the keyboard.

Tsunami.

As for Heath, is that Heath as in Heath Robinson, or as in kit?
Brian

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Demonic

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Glad to be of help. I don't know why this isn't more widely known as I
have had the problem with friends installations, quite often.

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