Pre-launch Freesat line up revealed
Adrian
has revealed that a relatively modest number of channels have so far agreed
to take a slot on the subscription-free digital satellite service's
electronic programme guide.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a95001/pre-launch-freesat-line-up-revealed.html
David
"Adrian" <an...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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Looks a bit sad when you compare with the availability on the Sky £75 one
off package free satellite.
I'm puzzled why these new boxes for FreeSat do not get all the FTA stations
at 28deg E position. Have they been made not to?
If so Sky free still looking best.
--
Regards,
David
Please reply to News Group
Mark Carver
>> http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a95001/pre-launch-freesat-line-up-revealed.html
>>
>>
> Looks a bit sad when you compare with the availability on the Sky £75
> one off package free satellite.
> I'm puzzled why these new boxes for FreeSat do not get all the FTA
> stations at 28deg E position. Have they been made not to?
It's most probably because the missing channels are unwilling to pay for
EPG inclusion on BBC Freesat.
Interesting that CNN are missing, and all the UK commercial radio
stations. There's no Sky News, not sure whether to be surprised by that
or not.
No mention of C4-HD or the promised ITV-HD.
Brian McIlwrath
: >>
: > Looks a bit sad when you compare with the availability on the Sky £75
: > I'm puzzled why these new boxes for FreeSat do not get all the FTA
: > stations at 28deg E position. Have they been made not to?
: It's most probably because the missing channels are unwilling to pay for
: EPG inclusion on BBC Freesat.
Yes! - the Freesat EPG cost was quite high (about half of what Sky charge).
: Interesting that CNN are missing, and all the UK commercial radio
: stations. There's no Sky News, not sure whether to be surprised by that
: or not.
Sky News normally turns up most places! The MORE interesting fact is that
the (few) Freesat STBs which have been sold in error (mostly by Comet) do
*NOT* have any manual tuning ability to add channels not in the EPG.
Presumably this will get corrected!
: No mention of C4-HD or the promised ITV-HD.
C4HD is currently uplinked by Sky on a Sky transponder (which is not
carrying any Freesat SI data) - as well as being encrypted - so probably
cannot be included at this stage.
The lack of any sign of ITV-HD having an OFCOM licence or any testing has
been causing much head scratching. Some Freesat web-pages being designed
"online" were spotted yesterday which said that ITV-HD would initially be
available via "red button" functionality - not as a channel!
Pyriform
> The lack of any sign of ITV-HD having an OFCOM licence or any testing
> has been causing much head scratching. Some Freesat web-pages being
> designed "online" were spotted yesterday which said that ITV-HD would
> initially be available via "red button" functionality - not as a
> channel!
I saw that too. Not sure how you'd schedule a "red button" recording...Can
anyone explain why such a bizarre kludge might be used? To avoid the need
for an OFCOM licence? Did someone just forget to apply for one or are they
trying to save money?
In any case, I'm not interested in Freesat until there's a PVR, at which
point I become very interested indeed, mostly for HD. I hope all the quirks
are ironed out by then!
Brian McIlwrath
: I saw that too. Not sure how you'd schedule a "red button" recording...Can
: for an OFCOM licence? Did someone just forget to apply for one or are they
: trying to save money?
Certainly on Sky you cannot schedule recording of "red-butto" content.
People have been scouring the Ofcom licence lists and it certainly seems that
ITV have *not* applied for one for ITV-HD!
This "red-button" kludge is, presumably, only going to be temporary and
may indicate that they have hardly any HD-content! It also saves them (or
gives them time to find!!) the bandwidth needed for a full-time ITV-HD as
well. C4HD is currently about 90% upscaled SD for example.
Commander Gideon
"Brian McIlwrath" <b...@bkmpc.bnsc.rl.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> Mark Carver <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> : >>
> : > Looks a bit sad when you compare with the availability on the Sky £75
> : > one off package free satellite.
> : > I'm puzzled why these new boxes for FreeSat do not get all the FTA
> : > stations at 28deg E position. Have they been made not to?
>
> : It's most probably because the missing channels are unwilling to pay for
> : EPG inclusion on BBC Freesat.
>
> Yes! - the Freesat EPG cost was quite high (about half of what Sky
> charge).
>
> : Interesting that CNN are missing, and all the UK commercial radio
> : stations. There's no Sky News, not sure whether to be surprised by that
> : or not.
>
No commercial radio stations,they must want us to buy DAB sets instead!
Any news on FIVE maybe joining Freesat?
kim
> "Adrian" <an...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:_9CdnbkZE5zzE4TV...@brightview.com...
>> Information gleaned from Freesat receivers sold before the official
>> launch has revealed that a relatively modest number of channels have
>> so far agreed to take a slot on the subscription-free digital
>> satellite service's electronic programme guide.
>>
>> http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a95001/pre-launch-freesat-line-up-revealed.html
>>
> Looks a bit sad when you compare with the availability on the Sky £75
> one off package free satellite.
It's about ten times the number of channels I currently get from Mux 1 on
the odd days when I can get anything at all. Admittedly, there are few
channels outside of Mux 1 I'll ever have any use for :o)
(kim)
Dave Farrance
Yes, it's a bit light, but at least Freesat will get the idea that there
are free satellite channels out to the public. And if this forces Sky to
promote Freesat-from-Sky a bit more aggressively to compete, then so much
the better.
--
Dave Farrance
Petition to attach warning notices to analogue-only TVs:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/analogue-warn/
The dog from that film you saw
"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> David wrote:
>>> http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a95001/pre-launch-freesat-line-up-revealed.html
>>>
>> Looks a bit sad when you compare with the availability on the Sky £75 one
>> off package free satellite.
>> I'm puzzled why these new boxes for FreeSat do not get all the FTA
>> stations at 28deg E position. Have they been made not to?
>
> It's most probably because the missing channels are unwilling to pay for
> EPG inclusion on BBC Freesat.
making them pay is silly - after all, who pays to be included on the
freeview channel list?
or am i being naive and they actually pay for that too.
--
Gareth.
That fly, is your magic wand.....
Brian McIlwrath
: making them pay is silly - after all, who pays to be included on the
: freeview channel list?
: or am i being naive and they actually pay for that too.
A Freeview channel is *VERY* expensive AFAIR - due to effectively paying
towards the transmission costs at multiple sites - but that vast cost
may include the EPG!!
All Freesat is providing is the EPG (channels arrange uplink and transponder rental )themselves) - but their EPG is costing ~£30000/yesr.
Dave Plowman (News)
> >Information gleaned from Freesat receivers sold before the official
> >launch has revealed that a relatively modest number of channels have
> >so far agreed to take a slot on the subscription-free digital
> >satellite service's electronic programme guide.
> >
> >http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a95001/pre-launch-freesat-line-up-revealed.html
> Yes, it's a bit light, but at least Freesat will get the idea that there
> are free satellite channels out to the public. And if this forces Sky to
> promote Freesat-from-Sky a bit more aggressively to compete, then so much
> the better.
I bought a cheap satellite kit from Lidl that gets loads of free channels.
Added a rotator and got lots more.
Of course not everything that's on FreeView is there - but there are some
English language ones which ain't on FreeView.
So basically those of us with long memories don't have to go anywhere near
the Dirty Digger...
--
*Fax is stronger than fiction *
Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
Michael Chare
On satellite ITV1 is not just one channel, it is more like 30. So it would
make sense for ITV to broadcast one extra HD stream and have the STBs switch
back to SD for the advert breaks, local news etc.
You might be able to record the HD stream directly by manually adding the
channel to a favourites list using the transponder parameters, however you
then possibly would not get the programme schedule, which is desirable for
scheduling a recording.
The BBC have a similar problem if they want to broadcast BBC1 in HD. It
would make sense for a PVR to either give the user the option of choosing HD
or SD, or to always record HD if available.
--
Michael Chare
Mark Carver
> So basically those of us with long memories don't have to go anywhere near
> the Dirty Digger...
The only real advantage of a BBC Freesat box, over a bog standard Lidl style
solution is the 7 day EPG, which is the only method for a viable D-Sat FTA PVR.
Sky's PVR requires a subscription of course.
Perhaps if the UK broadcasters had shown more interest when the DVB-S spec was
being produced, and pushed for some decent EPG facilities, maybe we wouldn't
have the situation now of two propriety UK D-Sat platforms, identical in
functionality, but totally incompatible with each other or anything else.
--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.
kim
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
>> So basically those of us with long memories don't have to go
>> anywhere near the Dirty Digger...
>
> The only real advantage of a BBC Freesat box, over a bog standard
> Lidl style solution is the 7 day EPG, which is the only method for a
> viable D-Sat FTA PVR.
I need the EPG to set the channel on the STB so my DVD machine can record it
as well. I can set the time on the latter but not the channel.
(kim)
Dave Farrance
>The MORE interesting fact is that
>the (few) Freesat STBs which have been sold in error (mostly by Comet) do
>*NOT* have any manual tuning ability to add channels not in the EPG.
>Presumably this will get corrected!
Anybody know if the Freesat licence prevents this?
Agamemnon
BBC One
BBC Two
ITV1
Channel 4
BBC Three
BBC Four
BBC HD
ITV2
(No ITV2+1. Not really sure if there is one on Satellite)
ITV3
ITV3+1
ITV4
S4C Digidol
E4 (currently encrypted)
More4 (currently encrypted)
Zone Romantica
Zone Thriller
(So I take it these two are foreign language?)
BBC News
(Why has the 24 been removed. Is it because when the earthquake happed it
became clear that the BBC News serves was never 24 hours but pre-recorded?)
BBC Parliament
S4C2
Al Jazeera English
Euronews
(No Bloomberg)
FilmFour
(Why no FilmFour+1?)
True Movies
True Movies 2
Movies4Men
Movies4Men2
(Porn channels the last two are they?)
Wedding TV
Overseas property
Men and Motors
Chart Show TV
The Vault
Scuzz
Bubble Hits
B4U Music
(No MKTV)
CBBC Channel
CBeebies
CITV
POP
POPGirl
Tiny POP
Teachers TV
(No Community Channel)
BBC Radio 1
1Xtra BBC
BBC Radio 2
BBC Radio 3
BBC Radio 4 FM
BBC Radio 4 LW
BBC Radio 5 Live
BBC Radio 5 Live Sport
BBC 6 Music
BBC 7
BBC Asian Network
BBC World Service
BBC R Scotland
BBC Radio nan Gaidheal
BBC Radio Wales
BBC Radio Cymru
BBC Radio Ulster
BBC London 94.9
(No commercial stations even though you can get them on a standard European
satellite receiver.)
QVC
Price-drop tv
Bid tv
Pitch TV
JML Lifestyle
(5 con channels)
No Virgin 1
No Sky 3
No FiveUS
No Fiver whatever the fuck that is
No UKTV History
No Dave
No The Hits
No TMF
No Lottery Xtra
No Nuts TV
No chance whatsoever of upgrading to an Pay TV or Pay-Per-View services.
Looks like it's going to be another Betamax and HD-DVD like I predicted
unless they make UK models of European satellite receivers compatible with
it.
Andy Burns
> No chance whatsoever of upgrading to an Pay TV or Pay-Per-View services.
The clue is in the first four characters of the name.
Agamemnon
"Andy Burns" <usenet.a...@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 01/05/2008 23:51, Agamemnon wrote:
>
>> No chance whatsoever of upgrading to an Pay TV or Pay-Per-View services.
>
> The clue is in the first four characters of the name.
You mean like in Freeview?
How is not providing optional CAM slots in the receivers going to destroy
Murdoch's unholy monopoly?
It's a total waste of money buying a Freesat receiver when you can get more
channels on Freesat from Sky or any standard European satellite receiver.
Andy Burns
>
> "Andy Burns" <usenet.a...@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ZMWdnbQOH_ekHofVnZ2dnUVZ8hidnZ2d@plusnet...
>> On 01/05/2008 23:51, Agamemnon wrote:
>>
>>> No chance whatsoever of upgrading to an Pay TV or Pay-Per-View services.
>>
>> The clue is in the first four characters of the name.
>
> You mean like in Freeview?
Yes, apart from the free2play games channel that existed for a while,
what is on freeview (not just DVB-T) that is Pay TV or PPV?
> How is not providing optional CAM slots in the receivers going to
> destroy Murdoch's unholy monopoly?
Did I say it was going to?
> It's a total waste of money buying a Freesat receiver when you can get
> more channels on Freesat from Sky or any standard European satellite
> receiver.
Perhaps, the one thing they could have an advantage on is HD with no
subscription, shame HD PVRs won't be available for some time.
It does depend how may of the extra (or missing) channels you consider
are "dross".
Brian Gaff
Brian
--
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Commander Gideon
> 1Xtra BBC
> BBC Radio 2
> BBC Radio 3
> BBC Radio 4 FM
> BBC Radio 4 LW
> BBC Radio 5 Live
> BBC Radio 5 Live Sport
> BBC 6 Music
> BBC 7
> BBC Asian Network
> BBC World Service
> BBC R Scotland
> BBC Radio nan Gaidheal
> BBC Radio Wales
> BBC Radio Cymru
> BBC Radio Ulster
> BBC London 94.9
>
> (No commercial stations even though you can get them on a standard
> European satellite receiver.)
I have a LIDL receiver which I use just for this purpose,instead of using
DAB set,connected to a stereo and onto a quad lnb!
mark...@gmail.com
Dickie mint
> Do the new boxes support the narrative channel for audio description?
>
> Brian
>
http://www.freesat.co.uk/help.php#q17
Richard
Ivan
This is also good news.
<http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a95159/independent-retailers-to-sell-freesat.html>
Steve Terry
"Dave Farrance" <DaveFa...@OMiTTHiSyahooANDTHiS.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Brian McIlwrath <b...@bkmpc.bnsc.rl.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>>The MORE interesting fact is that
>>the (few) Freesat STBs which have been sold in error (mostly by Comet) do
>>*NOT* have any manual tuning ability to add channels not in the EPG.
>>Presumably this will get corrected!
>
> Anybody know if the Freesat licence prevents this?
>
Astra is registered in Luxemburg
Steve Terry
Steve Terry
"Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
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> FilmFour
>
> (Why no FilmFour+1?)
>
It became ITV2+1
>
> True Movies
> True Movies 2
> Movies4Men
> Movies4Men2
>
> (Porn channels the last two are they?)
>
Or just Astra2 / Eurobird1, 28.5east, without the SkyFreesat card
Playboy TV is the closest you'll get to porn
Steve Terry
Dave Farrance
>"Dave Farrance" <DaveFa...@OMiTTHiSyahooANDTHiS.co.uk> wrote
>> Brian McIlwrath <b...@bkmpc.bnsc.rl.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>The MORE interesting fact is that
>>>the (few) Freesat STBs which have been sold in error (mostly by Comet) do
>>>*NOT* have any manual tuning ability to add channels not in the EPG.
>>
>>
>What licence ?
>Astra is registered in Luxemburg
Freesat as in BBC and ITV's Freesat ( www.freesat.co.uk ) -- and they
licence STB makers to use the Freesat brand. Maybe this licence forbids
the branded STBs from receiving free-to-air channels that are not in the
Freesat EPG. That's what I was querying. Understand now?
--
Dave Farrance
Steve Terry
"Commander Gideon" <b...@indigo.ie> wrote in message
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Maplins sell them as well
Steve Terry
Agamemnon
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>
> "Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
> news:pK-dnXmdVbD-1IfV...@eclipse.net.uk...
>> "Adrian" <an...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>> news:_9CdnbkZE5zzE4TV...@brightview.com...
> <snip>
>> FilmFour
>>
>> (Why no FilmFour+1?)
>>
> It became ITV2+1
Has it?
It's still there on my satellite.
>>
>> True Movies
>> True Movies 2
>> Movies4Men
>> Movies4Men2
>>
>> (Porn channels the last two are they?)
>>
> You've never had SkyFreesat have you?
> Or just Astra2 / Eurobird1, 28.5east, without the SkyFreesat card
>
> Playboy TV is the closest you'll get to porn
Try Eros TV on Hotbird. There's about 300 porn channels there, half of which
are not scrambled.
>
> Steve Terry
>
tony sayer
<agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> scribeth thus
And thats always the net porn equivalent of youtube!...
>>
>> Steve Terry
>>
>
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The dog from that film you saw
"tony sayer" <to...@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> Playboy TV is the closest you'll get to porn
>>
>>Try Eros TV on Hotbird. There's about 300 porn channels there, half of
>>which
>>are not scrambled.
>>
>
> And thats always the net porn equivalent of youtube!...
>>>
just don't do what i did and follow a 'friends'shortcut to a clip on beast
tube.
Dave Farrance
>Information gleaned from Freesat receivers sold before the official launch
>has revealed that a relatively modest number of channels have so far agreed
>to take a slot on the subscription-free digital satellite service's
>electronic programme guide.
>
>http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a95001/pre-launch-freesat-line-up-revealed.html
One indication that this is not quite the complete launch lineup is that
it doesn't list ITV HD, and yet according to DigitalSpy, test
transmissions of that channel have started on Eurobird-1 with a service
ID of 10510, and that ID has been confirmed as present in pre-launch
Freesat EPG data. One oddity is that the "H.222" codec is being used for
test transmissions of ITV HD at the moment. Should that be H.262?
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a95131/itv-hd-to-be-freesat-exclusive.html
Brian McIlwrath
: One indication that this is not quite the complete launch lineup is that
: it doesn't list ITV HD, and yet according to DigitalSpy, test
: transmissions of that channel have started on Eurobird-1 with a service
: ID of 10510,
A new version of Freesat's website was briefly online earlier this week which
stated "ITVHD will be available via red-button functionality) - so it is
*NOT* going to have an EPG entry at all (at least not at first).
and that ID has been confirmed as present in pre-launch
: Freesat EPG data. One oddity is that the "H.222" codec is being used for
: test transmissions of ITV HD at the moment. Should that be H.262?
This ITV test transmission is proving almost impossible to receive - even
with fully featured FTA receivers! It's mostly only the most flexible
DVB-S PC software which can tune into it. This is fuelling the suspicion
that ITVHD is going to have some "exclusive" period ot time on Freesat *ONLY*!
Andy Burns
> Freesat EPG data. One oddity is that the "H.222" codec is being used for
> test transmissions of ITV HD at the moment. Should that be H.262?
I hadn't heard of H.222 until it was mentioned on DS, but it isn't a
codec, it's a format for transport streams.
Brian McIlwrath
: I hadn't heard of H.222 until it was mentioned on DS, but it isn't a
Isn't this is the source of the speculation that ITV are *deliberately*
labelling their H.264 stream incorrectly to prevent even FTA satellite
receivers from being able to tune into it!
Michael Chare
>
> "Dave Farrance" <DaveFa...@OMiTTHiSyahooANDTHiS.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:aj4k14plup6qiajni...@4ax.com...
>> Brian McIlwrath <b...@bkmpc.bnsc.rl.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>The MORE interesting fact is that
>>>the (few) Freesat STBs which have been sold in error (mostly by Comet) do
>>>*NOT* have any manual tuning ability to add channels not in the EPG.
>>>Presumably this will get corrected!
>>
>> Anybody know if the Freesat licence prevents this?
>>
If you follow the digital spy forum it would appear to be down to
interpretation of the specifications.
The Humax box lets you add channels.
--
Michael Chare
Agamemnon
>
> "Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
> news:pK-dnXmdVbD-1IfV...@eclipse.net.uk...
>> "Adrian" <an...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>> news:_9CdnbkZE5zzE4TV...@brightview.com...
> <snip>
>> FilmFour
>>
>> (Why no FilmFour+1?)
>>
> It became ITV2+1
>>
>> True Movies
>> True Movies 2
>> Movies4Men
>> Movies4Men2
>>
Just as I thought. Porn channels. Black Venus featuring sex with two
lesbians is currently running on Movies4Men +1 so presumable it was on
Movies4Men and hour ago.
Steve Terry
"Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
> "Steve Terry" <gFOU...@tesco.net> wrote in message
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>> "Agamemnon" <agam...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
>> news:pK-dnXmdVbD-1IfV...@eclipse.net.uk...
>>> "Adrian" <an...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>>> news:_9CdnbkZE5zzE4TV...@brightview.com...
>> <snip>
>>> True Movies 2
>>> Movies4Men
>>> Movies4Men2
>
> Just as I thought. Porn channels. Black Venus featuring sex with two
> lesbians is currently running on Movies4Men +1 so presumable it was on
> Movies4Men and hour ago.
>
>
Steve Terry