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Tweed

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https://www.skygroup.sky/en-gb/article/introducing-sky-glass-the-new-streaming-tv-from-sky

The first TV with Sky inside. No dish, no box, no fuss.

Sky today announced the launch of Sky Glass, dramatically simplifying the
way customers watch TV by integrating hardware, software and content. Sky
Glass will be the only TV with award-winning Sky inside.

For the first time in the UK, you can now get Sky TV over WiFi, with no
satellite dish, no box and no fuss. The new streaming TV from Sky is
available to buy in the UK from 18 October and will launch in Sky’s other
European markets from 2022.

Sky Glass, the streaming TV from Sky - key features:

The only TV with Sky and all your favourite apps inside
Buy your TV like you buy your mobile phone with flexible payments
Cutting-edge design available in five colours and three sizes
Ultra HD and Quantum Dot technology producing over 1 billion colours
360° Dolby Atmos® sound with powerful built-in speakers and sub-woofer
Talk to your TV: just say “Hello Sky” to find what to watch
The world’s first TV to be certified as a CarbonNeutral® product
Simply plug, pair and play to enjoy stunning screen quality and cinematic
sound, with everything you need built in, so you will be ready to go in
minutes. With easy access to stream your favourite content and apps using
your voice and incredible search, Sky Glass makes it simple for you to find
and watch the TV you love.

Speaking at the launch, Dana Strong, Group Chief Executive, Sky said: “Sky
Glass is the streaming TV with Sky inside, providing the total integration
of hardware, software and content. Built on over 30 years of understanding
what our customers want, this is a TV that only Sky could make. We believe
this is the smartest TV available, and that customers will love it.”

Redefining the TV market

Sky has always aimed to give people what they want before they know they
want it, and to make things easy for customers. That’s why Sky is
redefining and creating a new category within the TV market to reach even
more households. By taking this step, Sky will operate across the whole
value chain, from content production, through to connectivity and
aggregation, all coming together on the Sky Glass screen.

Sky Glass is designed to make life easier with a range of innovations:

TV never looked so good

Sky partnered with Map Project Office, one of world’s leading design
agencies, to create the elegant design. Sky Glass comes in a choice of
three sizes (Small 43”, Medium 55” and Large 65”) and five rich colours.
Choose from Ocean blue, Ceramic white, Racing green, Dusky pink, or
Anthracite black, with matching remotes and customisable speaker fascias
for extra personalisation. It has a mounting bracket cleverly integrated
into the TV, or a sleek colour matched stand. With a single wire and just
one plug, Sky Glass makes clutter a thing of the past, while the woven
acoustic mesh used to optimise sound performance and millimetre-perfect
perforations help Sky Glass sound as good as it looks.

Spectacular screen and spine-tingling sound

With over a billion colours, a 4K Ultra HD Quantum Dot screen delivers
crystal-clear picture, while the 10-bit HDR screen supports HLG, HDR10 and
Dolby Vision® to produce vibrant, more intense colour. Whether you’re
cheering on your team in the Premier League or getting stuck into the
latest blockbuster, Sky Glass knows what you’re watching and optimises
sound and picture for you, while Intelligent Zonal Technology works to
bring you darker darks and brights that look brighter.

Transform your living room into a cinema, concert, or stadium with six
powerful, integrated speakers in optimal positions to deliver edge to edge
Dolby Atmos® sound and a sub-woofer designed in for a rich, deep bass - all
without buying a separate soundbar.

The smarter TV with Sky inside

With far field voice and Glance Motion Technology, just say “Hello Sky” or
walk past to bring the streaming TV to life. A new home page makes it
easier to find, watch and play the TV you love. It brings all your
favourite content from across Sky, BBC iPlayer, Netflix, Disney+, ITV Hub,
All4, Spotify, Peloton, PlayWorks and more. Use your voice to find what you
want in a flash and to turn on the TV, control the volume or switch to
connected devices.

At the press of a single button, you can now create a personal Playlist of
your favourite shows, movies and more across apps and channels, live and on
demand. The new plus button on the remote adds to your Playlist for you to
stream any time you want – all in one place.

You never need to miss a show again with live Restart, you can jump
straight back into anything that’s on now and available to watch from the
start.

Doesn’t cost the Earth

Sky Glass is the world’s first TV to be certified as a CarbonNeutral®
product. Sustainably designed, it has low power features built in such as
auto-switch-off and auto-adjusting screen brightness helping it to be more
energy efficient. It is the only TV to come in recyclable packaging, free
from single-use plastic and by using a TV with everything built in, you
reduce electricity consumption by up to 50%i.

Hi-tech. Low price.

Sky Glass is made to be affordable. Choose to buy your TV like you buy your
mobile phone by paying in one go or spread the cost with interest-free
monthly payments. It is available from as little as £13 per month,
exclusively with Sky TV, starting from £26 for Sky Ultimate TV and for the
first time HD is included as standard. That’s £39 per month to get the 43”
Sky Glass TV plus every episode of award-winning Sky Originals and Sky
Exclusives, all your favourite channels and a fantastic line up you won’t
find on Freeview, as well as Netflix. For just £4 more a month you can
increase the size of your TV to a 55”, or £8 more for a 65”.

It comes with a full two-year warranty and a free delivery service that
includes unboxing and packaging removal.

For those that enjoy watching Sky in multiple rooms in your house, the
Whole Home pack puts Sky Glass inside any TV using the Sky Stream Puck for
£10 a month.

Coming soon…

Sky Glass has been built as a platform which can be deployed by other Telco
and subscription television operators so they can bring the Sky Glass
experience to their customers too. Sky today announces the Foxtel Group,
Australia's leading subscription TV company as its first Sky Glass
syndication partner. Sky Glass will launch in the Australian market as an
element of the Foxtel Group’s future roadmap for its Foxtel brand and will
contain both Foxtel and third-party content. This is the first of many
collaborations as Sky Glass is scaled across the globe.

Sky Glass will get even better in 2022, with the launch of a high spec 4K
smart camera that works seamlessly with Sky Glass and will unlock a range
of exciting new services for the whole family. It will transform how we
chat, play games, workout and share entertainment at home.

Leveraging Comcast’s technology strength

The streaming TV from Sky is built on technology borne of the collaboration
as part of the Comcast Corporation – using the same operating system, and
with shared knowledge and expertise. A great example of how Sky and Comcast
are together accelerating innovation across the company. Added to Sky’s
successful history of innovation gives the perfect combination of scale,
capability and brand power.

Strongest line-up of products

In 2022, Sky will offer its strongest ever line-up of products and services
to sit alongside Sky Glass. In addition to Sky Glass, customers can enjoy
the award-winning Sky Q with all your favourite channels and apps in one
place, and with Sky Go you can now access an even better experience on your
devices. Sky TV has new channels, new shows and new deals with Peacock,
Paramount+ and more. Sky Mobile was voted Best Pay Monthly and Best Value
Pay Monthly network by Uswitch, and with Sky Broadband we’re offering our
fastest speeds yet.

Brian Gaff (Sofa)

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Oct 8, 2021, 3:36:49 AM10/8/21
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What about the talking menus and apps in Sky Q, though I gather its not yet
working for the recording bits or some of the third party apps. Somebody
somewhere needs to set basic accessible standards before things get
completely out of control in the go our own way wild west of TV.
Brian

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"Tweed" <usenet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> https://www.skygroup.sky/en-gb/article/introducing-sky-glass-the-new-streaming-tv-from-sky
>
> The first TV with Sky inside. No dish, no box, no fuss.
>
> Sky today announced the launch of Sky Glass, dramatically simplifying the
> way customers watch TV by integrating hardware, software and content. Sky
> Glass will be the only TV with award-winning Sky inside.
>
> For the first time in the UK, you can now get Sky TV over WiFi, with no
> satellite dish, no box and no fuss. The new streaming TV from Sky is
> available to buy in the UK from 18 October and will launch in Sky's other
> European markets from 2022.
>
> Sky Glass, the streaming TV from Sky - key features:
>
> The only TV with Sky and all your favourite apps inside
> Buy your TV like you buy your mobile phone with flexible payments
> Cutting-edge design available in five colours and three sizes
> Ultra HD and Quantum Dot?technology producing over 1 billion colours
> 360° Dolby Atmos® sound with powerful built-in speakers and sub-woofer
> Talk to your TV: just say "Hello Sky" to find what to watch
> The world's first TV?to be certified as a CarbonNeutral® product
> Simply plug, pair and play to enjoy stunning screen quality and cinematic
> sound, with everything you need built in, so you will be ready to go in
> minutes. With easy access to stream your favourite content and apps using
> your voice and incredible search, Sky Glass makes it simple for you to
> find
> and watch the TV you love.
>
> Speaking at the launch, Dana Strong, Group Chief Executive, Sky said: "Sky
> Glass is the streaming TV with Sky inside, providing the total integration
> of hardware, software and content. Built on over 30 years of understanding
> what our customers want, this is a TV that only Sky could make. We believe
> this is the smartest TV available, and that customers will love it."
>
> Redefining the TV market
>
> Sky has always aimed to give people?what they want before they know they
> want it, and to make things easy for customers. That's why Sky is
> redefining and creating a new category within the TV market to reach even
> more households. By taking this step, Sky will operate?across the whole
> value chain, from content production,?through to connectivity and
> aggregation,?all coming together on the?Sky Glass screen.
>
> Sky Glass is designed to make life easier with a range of innovations:
>
> TV never looked so good
>
> Sky partnered with Map Project Office, one of world's leading design
> agencies, to create the elegant design. Sky Glass comes in a choice of
> three sizes (Small 43", Medium 55" and Large 65") and five rich colours.
> Choose from Ocean blue, Ceramic white, Racing green, Dusky pink, or
> Anthracite black, with matching remotes and customisable speaker fascias
> for extra personalisation. It has a mounting bracket cleverly integrated
> into the TV, or a sleek colour matched stand. With a single wire and just
> one plug, Sky Glass makes clutter a thing of the past, while the woven
> acoustic mesh used to optimise sound performance and millimetre-perfect
> perforations help Sky Glass sound as good as it looks.
>
> Spectacular screen and spine-tingling sound
>
> With over a billion colours, a 4K Ultra HD Quantum Dot?screen delivers
> crystal-clear picture, while the 10-bit HDR screen supports HLG, HDR10 and
> Dolby Vision® to produce vibrant, more intense colour. Whether you're
> cheering on your team in the Premier League or getting stuck into the
> latest blockbuster, Sky Glass knows what you're watching and optimises
> sound and picture for you, while Intelligent Zonal Technology works to
> bring you darker darks and brights that look brighter.
>
> Transform your living room into a cinema, concert, or stadium with six
> powerful, integrated speakers in optimal positions to deliver edge to edge
> Dolby Atmos® sound and a sub-woofer designed in for a rich, deep bass -
> all
> without buying a separate soundbar.
>
> The smarter TV with Sky inside
>
> With far field voice and Glance Motion Technology, just say "Hello Sky" or
> walk past to bring the streaming TV to life. A new home page makes it
> easier to find, watch and play the TV you love. It brings all your
> favourite content from across Sky, BBC iPlayer, Netflix, Disney+, ITV Hub,
> All4, Spotify, Peloton, PlayWorks and more. Use your voice to find what
> you
> want in a flash and to turn on the TV, control the volume or switch to
> connected devices.
>
> At the press of a single button, you can now create a personal Playlist of
> your favourite shows, movies and more across apps and channels, live and
> on
> demand. The new plus button on the remote adds to your Playlist for you to
> stream any time you want - all in one place.
>
> You never need to miss a show again with live Restart, you can jump
> straight back into anything that's on now and available to watch from the
> start.
>
> Doesn't cost the Earth
>
> Sky Glass is the world's first TV?to be certified as a CarbonNeutral®
> product. Sustainably designed, it has low power features built in such as
> auto-switch-off and auto-adjusting screen brightness helping it to be more
> energy efficient. It is the only TV to come in recyclable packaging, free
> from single-use plastic and by using a TV with everything built in, you
> reduce electricity consumption by up to 50%i.
>
> Hi-tech. Low price.
>
> Sky Glass is made to be affordable. Choose to buy your TV like you buy
> your
> mobile phone by paying in one go or spread the cost with interest-free
> monthly payments. It is available from as little as £13 per month,
> exclusively with Sky TV, starting from £26 for Sky Ultimate TV and for the
> first time HD is included as standard. That's £39 per month to get the 43"
> Sky Glass TV plus every episode of award-winning Sky Originals and Sky
> Exclusives, all your favourite channels and a fantastic line up you won't
> find on Freeview, as well as Netflix. For just £4 more a month you can
> increase the size of your TV to a 55", or £8 more for a 65".
>
> It comes with a full two-year warranty and a free delivery service that
> includes unboxing and packaging removal.
>
> For those that enjoy watching Sky in multiple rooms in your house, the
> Whole Home pack puts Sky Glass inside any TV using the Sky Stream Puck for
> £10 a month.
>
> Coming soon.
>
> Sky Glass has been built as a platform which can be deployed by other
> Telco
> and subscription television operators so they can bring the Sky Glass
> experience to their customers too. Sky today announces the Foxtel Group,
> Australia's leading subscription TV company as its first Sky Glass
> syndication partner. Sky Glass will launch in the Australian market as an
> element of the Foxtel Group's future roadmap for its Foxtel brand and will
> contain both Foxtel and third-party content. This is the first of many
> collaborations as Sky Glass is scaled across the globe.
>
> Sky Glass will get even better in 2022, with the launch of a high spec 4K
> smart camera that works seamlessly with Sky Glass and will unlock a range
> of exciting new services for the whole family. It will transform how we
> chat, play games, workout and share entertainment at home.
>
> Leveraging Comcast's technology strength
>
> The streaming TV from Sky is built on technology borne of the
> collaboration
> as part of the Comcast Corporation - using the same operating system, and
> with shared knowledge and expertise. A great example of how Sky and
> Comcast
> are together accelerating innovation across the company. Added to Sky's
> successful history of innovation gives the perfect combination of scale,
> capability and brand power.
>
> Strongest line-up of products
>
> In 2022, Sky will offer its strongest ever line-up of products and
> services
> to sit alongside Sky Glass. In addition to Sky Glass, customers can enjoy
> the award-winning Sky Q with all your favourite channels and apps in one
> place, and with Sky Go you can now access an even better experience on
> your
> devices. Sky TV has new channels, new shows and new deals with Peacock,
> Paramount+ and more. Sky Mobile was voted?Best Pay Monthly and Best Value

Jeff Gaines

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Oct 8, 2021, 3:47:44 AM10/8/21
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On 08/10/2021 in message <sjopqs$pu0$1...@dont-email.me> Tweed wrote:

>The first TV with Sky inside. No dish, no box, no fuss.

I have a Roku box and separate TV and amp, gives me the best of all worlds
(and saves me £57 a month to Sky) with the ability to update/replace
discrete units as needed.

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Indy Jess John

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Oct 8, 2021, 4:52:46 AM10/8/21
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On 08/10/2021 07:52, Tweed wrote:
> The first TV with Sky inside. No dish, no box, no fuss.

And almost certainly no aerial input, so that having opted for it you
can't watch anything but Sky.

Not for me, thanks.

Jim

Mark Carver

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Oct 8, 2021, 5:18:19 AM10/8/21
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On 08/10/2021 09:52, Indy Jess John wrote:
> On 08/10/2021 07:52, Tweed wrote:
>> The first TV with Sky inside. No dish, no box, no fuss.
>
> And almost certainly no aerial input, so that having opted for it you
> can't watch anything but Sky.

It almost  certainly DOES have an aerial socket according to this, and a
photo, but the whole scheme and business model is to lock you into the
Skyuniverse, so for all of use in here not scared by wires, dishes, HDMI
leads etc  it's not for us.

https://www.cordbusters.co.uk/sky-glass-4k-streaming-tv-hands-on/

Jeff Gaines

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Oct 8, 2021, 5:54:16 AM10/8/21
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On 08/10/2021 in message <59781d...@sick-of-spam.invalid> Bob Latham
wrote:

>In article <xn0n3vth0...@news.individual.net>,
> Jeff Gaines <jgaines...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>On 08/10/2021 in message <sjopqs$pu0$1...@dont-email.me> Tweed wrote:
>
>>>The first TV with Sky inside. No dish, no box, no fuss.
>
>>I have a Roku box and separate TV and amp, gives me the best of all
>>worlds (and saves me £57 a month to Sky) with the ability to
>>update/replace discrete units as needed.
>
>Interesting, I can see the logic.
>
>Not trying to pick holes, I'm interested as to what's possible I
>presume that you cannot get Sky specific progs and channels or can
>you? Sky F1, Alibi, Black List etc..
>
>Thanks.
>
>Bob.

I subscribe to "NOW" (to be distinguished from Now TV, a bit confusing)
which gives many of the Sky channels. £4.99 per month in intro period then
£9.99 for the entertainment pack - I'm not interested in sports or films.
Provides things like Atlantic, Alibi etc. I also subscribe to Apple TV for
a similar price to watch the adaptation of Asimov's "Foundation" but I
don't watch anything else on that so will cancel when the series finishes.

I also have a Freesat box and the DVD player does Freeview.

I usually try to find something interesting then fall asleep on the settee
:-)

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Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
All things being equal, fat people use more soap

Andy Burns

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Oct 8, 2021, 6:18:59 AM10/8/21
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Tweed wrote:

> For the first time in the UK, you can now get Sky TV over WiFi, with no
> satellite dish, no box and no fuss. The new streaming TV from Sky is
> available to buy in the UK from 18 October

Amazed that it has a DVB-T tuner ...

Andy Burns

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Oct 8, 2021, 6:20:28 AM10/8/21
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Indy Jess John wrote:

> Tweed wrote:
>
>> The first TV with Sky inside. No dish, no box, no fuss.
>
> And almost certainly no aerial input, so that having opted for it you can't
> watch anything but Sky.

You're as cynical as me, but actually the manual shows it does have one.

Mark Carver

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Oct 8, 2021, 6:27:39 AM10/8/21
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It'll be just that I suspect, so none of the nice friendly Freeview
LCNs, and only 'Now&Next' programme data.

Andy Burns

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Oct 8, 2021, 7:21:59 AM10/8/21
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Bob Latham wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Amazed that it has a DVB-T tuner ...
>
> I think that selling new TVs that have no DVB-T2 should have been
> illegal for some time.

I just meant DVB-T as a generic for -T1 or -T2, it doesn't say which, but given
they've fitted one at all, I'd expect it's -T2

Mark Carver

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Oct 8, 2021, 7:38:03 AM10/8/21
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Yes, that's how I interrupted your use of 'T'.

It has to have a tuner, otherwise if you lose your internet connection
the TV becomes nothing more than a very expensive flat panel lamp.

Chris J Dixon

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Oct 8, 2021, 8:15:02 AM10/8/21
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Are "broadcasters" (or should it be "content providers"?) trying
to move us towards streaming only, which then prevent us skipping
adverts?

Chris
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JNugent

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Oct 8, 2021, 8:17:49 AM10/8/21
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On the other hand...

...as long as you don't watch anything via the aerial (or from the BBC
via iPlayer), you don't have to pay the BBC licence.

tim...

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Oct 8, 2021, 8:19:35 AM10/8/21
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"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 08/10/2021 09:52, Indy Jess John wrote:
>> On 08/10/2021 07:52, Tweed wrote:
>>> The first TV with Sky inside. No dish, no box, no fuss.
>>
>> And almost certainly no aerial input, so that having opted for it you
>> can't watch anything but Sky.
>
> It almost certainly DOES have an aerial socket according to this, and a
> photo, but the whole scheme and business model is to lock you into the
> Skyuniverse, so for all of use in here not scared by wires, dishes, HDMI
> leads etc it's not for us.

I can't believe that the quantity of wires needed to plug in a standard
TV+STB scares the vast majority of consumers

I accept that the dish on the wall may be a step that they cannot undertake
without help, but there's nothing here that couldn't be offered by sky with
a bespoke STB to plug into your existing TV at half the cost

But, of course, that wouldn't be a big enough incentive to lock people in.

Personally, I can see how they can justify the entry level £26 for the
"entertainment" package given that 80% of the output is the same as the FV
FTA channels. At least with the current package at that price they supply
you with a recording device which this new box doesn't provide







tim...

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"Chris J Dixon" <ch...@cdixon.me.uk> wrote in message
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> Mark Carver wrote:
>
>>On 08/10/2021 09:52, Indy Jess John wrote:
>>> On 08/10/2021 07:52, Tweed wrote:
>>>> The first TV with Sky inside. No dish, no box, no fuss.
>>>
>>> And almost certainly no aerial input, so that having opted for it you
>>> can't watch anything but Sky.
>>
>>It almost certainly DOES have an aerial socket according to this, and a
>>photo, but the whole scheme and business model is to lock you into the
>>Skyuniverse, so for all of use in here not scared by wires, dishes, HDMI
>>leads etc it's not for us.
>>
>>https://www.cordbusters.co.uk/sky-glass-4k-streaming-tv-hands-on/
>
> Are "broadcasters" (or should it be "content providers"?) trying
> to move us towards streaming only, which then prevent us skipping
> adverts?

Government seems to be driving that because they want to sell off TV
bandwidth to people who will pay more for it

Fortunately the capacity of the internet backbone can't support 60 million
people all wanting to watch a different program at the same time, so
hopefully I will be dead before they achieve it





tim...

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Oct 8, 2021, 8:25:39 AM10/8/21
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"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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I almost never use the tuners on my TV almost always using the ones on my
STB plugged in via HDMI.

I can't see why I wont be able to use this TV in that mode

I accept that this give me the inconvenience of having 2 remotes (one to
change channel, one for the sound). Oh dear, what a faff that is, I really
must buy myself a crippled TV to avoid that in future




Norman Wells

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Oct 8, 2021, 9:09:19 AM10/8/21
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That depends when you watch it and how it's delivered. Avoiding both is
a bit tricky.


Mark Carver

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Oct 8, 2021, 9:16:44 AM10/8/21
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On 08/10/2021 13:25, tim... wrote:
>
>
> "Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:isakop...@mid.individual.net...
>> On 08/10/2021 11:18, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Tweed wrote:
>>>
>>>> For the first time in the UK, you can now get Sky TV over WiFi,
>>>> with no
>>>> satellite dish, no box and no fuss. The new streaming TV from Sky is
>>>> available to buy in the UK from 18 October
>>>
>>> Amazed that it has a DVB-T tuner ...
>>
>> It'll be just that I suspect, so none of the nice friendly Freeview
>> LCNs, and only 'Now&Next' programme data.
>
> I almost never use the tuners on my TV almost always using the ones on
> my STB plugged in via HDMI.
>
> I can't see why I wont be able to use this TV in that mode
>
You will, but the telly is aimed at people who don't what any clutter
attached to their telly. If your broadband drops out you're stuffed
without a back up DTT tuner.

Reading up about the basic specs the TVs have, you'd be bonkers to sign
up, then cancel the Sky subs, and use it as just a screen

Tweed

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Oct 8, 2021, 9:25:47 AM10/8/21
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There seems to be rumours on the Sky community site that ad skipping might
be charged at £5/year after an initial free year.

Andrew

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Oct 8, 2021, 9:27:29 AM10/8/21
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On 08/10/2021 13:25, tim... wrote:
>
>
Or just get a (better quality ?) 4K monitor and use that as the 'tv'?

MB

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Oct 8, 2021, 9:29:44 AM10/8/21
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On 08/10/2021 14:16, Mark Carver wrote:
> You will, but the telly is aimed at people who don't what any clutter
> attached to their telly. If your broadband drops out you're stuffed
> without a back up DTT tuner.

Often you cannot even watch your "recorded" programmes because they are
not actually recorded in your box and need the broadband connection to
see them.

Mark Carver

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Oct 8, 2021, 9:44:40 AM10/8/21
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You mean 'streamed' ?

The Sky Q box does cache them in IME

JNugent

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Oct 8, 2021, 9:44:59 AM10/8/21
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Don't connect to an antenna and don't watch anything from BBC1, BBC2,
BBC3 (when and if restored), BBC4, BBC Alba, BBC News 24 and BBC
Parliament (as well as the childrens' BBC channels). That ought to do it.

Roderick Stewart

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Oct 8, 2021, 10:18:26 AM10/8/21
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To me this scheme just looks like what anyone with a suitable internet
connection can already do with any TV and an Amazon stick, but I
daresay lots will be conned into thinking it's something new.

Rod.

Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd

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Oct 8, 2021, 10:37:58 AM10/8/21
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> > Often you cannot even watch your "recorded" programmes because
> > they are not actually recorded in your box and need the
> > broadband connection to see them.
> You mean 'streamed' ?
> The Sky Q box does cache them in IME

Sky Q downloads all catchup programmes to disk and shows them in the recordings
list, then plays them from disk so you don't miss part of the programme if the
internet glitches.

There is nothing in the recordings list that is not locally recorded, although
there are often links from those recordings to other episodes that can be
downloaded.

There is also what I consider to be a bug, where if you stop watching a
programme early, ie during the end credits, and then delete it, Sky Q will
offer to continue viewing and start downloading it. It also offers to
'continue' watching new episodes you've not started yet, which is confusing.

The only stuff that does not download in full are commercial streaming services,
Netflix, Prime, Disney, etc, which use apps and their own GUI separate to Sky Q.


Angus



JNugent

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On 08/10/2021 03:36 pm, Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote:

>>> Often you cannot even watch your "recorded" programmes because
>>> they are not actually recorded in your box and need the
>>> broadband connection to see them.

>> You mean 'streamed' ?
>> The Sky Q box does cache them in IME

> Sky Q downloads all catchup programmes to disk and shows them in the recordings
> list, then plays them from disk so you don't miss part of the programme if the
> internet glitches.

This also applies to Sky+HD. Sky Cinema as well as catch-up.

> There is nothing in the recordings list that is not locally recorded, although
> there are often links from those recordings to other episodes that can be
> downloaded.

Sky+HD too.

williamwright

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On 08/10/2021 14:16, Mark Carver wrote:

>> I almost never use the tuners on my TV almost always using the ones on
>> my STB plugged in via HDMI.
>>
>> I can't see why I wont be able to use this TV in that mode
>>
> You will, but the telly is aimed at people who don't what any clutter
> attached to their telly. If your broadband drops out you're stuffed
> without a back up DTT tuner.
>
> Reading up about the basic specs the TVs have, you'd be bonkers to sign
> up, then cancel the Sky subs, and use it as just a screen

Knowing the way the great British public think, or maybe don't think, a
combination of Sky bullshit and CBA will mean that many of these tellys
will not have a connection to an aerial. "It doesn't use an aerial;
that's the whole point of it."

In fact quite a few people these days move into a new house and assume
without really thinking about it that they won't need an aerial. Of
course sometimes they don't, but usually they do, and eventually they
get one installed.

It's quite a common belief these days that aerials are no longer needed.
People sit outside out village pub, where the Emley tower is visible,
and remark, "You'd think they'd knock that down now it doesn't do anything."

Bill

tim...

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"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 08/10/2021 13:25, tim... wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:isakop...@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 08/10/2021 11:18, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> Tweed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For the first time in the UK, you can now get Sky TV over WiFi, with
>>>>> no
>>>>> satellite dish, no box and no fuss. The new streaming TV from Sky is
>>>>> available to buy in the UK from 18 October
>>>>
>>>> Amazed that it has a DVB-T tuner ...
>>>
>>> It'll be just that I suspect, so none of the nice friendly Freeview
>>> LCNs, and only 'Now&Next' programme data.
>>
>> I almost never use the tuners on my TV almost always using the ones on my
>> STB plugged in via HDMI.
>>
>> I can't see why I wont be able to use this TV in that mode
>>
> You will, but the telly is aimed at people who don't what any clutter
> attached to their telly.

and how many people want:

crippled service, no clutter

full service, some clutter

it's not like the clutter can't be tidied up with some judicious use of
cable ties.

> If your broadband drops out you're stuffed without a back up DTT tuner.
>
> Reading up about the basic specs the TVs have, you'd be bonkers to sign
> up, then cancel the Sky subs, and use it as just a screen

that wasn't the point I was making



tim...

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"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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the Sky Q has a hard disk to record stuff on

this new product does not



tim...

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"Roderick Stewart" <rj...@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
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the something new is a single entry point for finding any program across all
providers (that you are subscribed to)

whether that is worth the dis-benefits of this product is for consumers to
decide



tim...

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I'm still going to have to change channels using the STB remote

Or did you mean view everything on this monitor via the internet?

My point here is that not every channel available on broadcast TV has an
online offering.



Brian Gaff (Sofa)

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How long though will Freeview last?
ITV nearly had me gibbering last Sunday night when the final hour of
midsummer murders had commercials very 7 minutes.
Brian

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Roderick Stewart

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On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 11:05:12 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
<bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> ITV nearly had me gibbering last Sunday night when the final hour of
>midsummer murders had commercials very 7 minutes.

It's normally six breaks in a two hour show, such as Midsomer, or
Vera, or Endeavour. After editing out the breaks to view the programme
without interruption, the actual running time is just under 90
minutes. Yes, there really is half an hour of advertising in a two
hour timeslot.

A programme in a one hour timeslot usually has three breaks and
condenses to 47 minutes, or occasionally as little as 40 minutes.

Thank goodness for PVRs with editing, or skip buttons.

Rod.

alan_m

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On 08/10/2021 12:15, Bob Latham wrote:

> I think that selling new TVs that have no DVB-T2 should have been
> illegal for some time. Yes, there may be some circumstances where T2
> isn't required but the extra cost must be minimal now if it exists at
> all.

How many people actually tune in to the signal via a STB rather than the
tuner in a TV? I've never bothered to tune the my TV since I purchased
it - I have retuned my STBs many times.


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Tony Gamble

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Nobody seems to have commented on the quality of the tv you get with
your sub.

As an owner of an LG 55" OLED I would not want to view anything on an
inferior device.

Any observations?

Tony

Tony Gamble

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Oct 9, 2021, 9:11:36 AM10/9/21
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Can you elaborate on how it gets you the Sky channels their Glass system
offers?

I have a Nvidia Shield but nothing coming in from SKY (yet!)

Tony


On 08/10/2021 08:47, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> I have a Roku box and separate TV and amp, gives me the best of all
> worlds (and saves me £57 a month to Sky) with the ability to
> update/replace discrete units as needed.

the dog from that film you saw

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On 08/10/2021 07:52, Tweed wrote:
> https://www.skygroup.sky/en-gb/article/introducing-sky-glass-the-new-streaming-tv-from-sky
>
> The first TV with Sky inside. No dish, no box, no fuss.




not sure i see the point.
it's a rebadged sub-standard lcd tv (with QLED buzzword attached to
confuse people), anyone who cares for quality goes for OLED.
on top of that it's can't even cope with 120fps 4k inputs, something
that's expected of any half decent tv these days.


they could simply make a sky app available to anyone who wants a dish
free service in the same way any number of tv services do and you'd then
get it on a quality set instead of some rebadged chinese no name brand.


the dog from that film you saw

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On 08/10/2021 10:18, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 08/10/2021 09:52, Indy Jess John wrote:
>> On 08/10/2021 07:52, Tweed wrote:
>>> The first TV with Sky inside. No dish, no box, no fuss.
>>
>> And almost certainly no aerial input, so that having opted for it you
>> can't watch anything but Sky.
>
> It almost  certainly DOES have an aerial socket according to this, and a
> photo, but the whole scheme and business model is to lock you into the
> Skyuniverse, so for all of use in here not scared by wires, dishes, HDMI
> leads etc  it's not for us.
>
> https://www.cordbusters.co.uk/sky-glass-4k-streaming-tv-hands-on/




or anyone who wants a brand name tv with premium picture quality.

the dog from that film you saw

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agreed.
i'm not going back to lcd - especially a rebadged generic lcd in a
customer (very fat thick looking) case.


Tweed

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I think the idea is to make the costs/effort of quitting Sky too high. But
also to make that not too obvious until you’ve been hooked.

Roderick Stewart

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On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 14:11:34 +0100, Tony Gamble
<tonyg...@compuserve.com> wrote:

>I have a Nvidia Shield but nothing coming in from SKY (yet!)

Do you ever watch the Channel 4 catchup service All4? If so, I'd be
interested to know how. There doesn't seem to be an official app for
the Shield. It can be done by using a web browser but it's clumsy.

Rod.

Tony Gamble

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C4 No.

I have tended to use my Humax for catch up browsing but decided
yesterday to use the Shield more.

I have always thought that satellite ought to produce a better image
than internet. Then I realised that Netflix and Amazon were offering 4k
online so came to the conclusion that internet, even for the BBC,
should/could be better than the picture from my dish.

I am a pedant for clear images. Hence my 55" Oled.

Tony

Roderick Stewart

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On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 11:50:45 +0100, alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk>
wrote:

>How many people actually tune in to the signal via a STB rather than the
>tuner in a TV? I've never bothered to tune the my TV since I purchased
>it - I have retuned my STBs many times.

I don't even have an aerial plugged into mine. The only signal
connection is a single HDMI cable from a switch box. The TV is only
used as a video display and nothing else, not even for sound as I use
a hi-fi system for that.

The Freeview STB has a hard drive to record programmes. It's possible
to watch programmes "live" (i.e. while they are being broadcast) but I
can't remember the last time I did this. Everything I watch or listen
to, from broadcast, streaming service, or disk, is under my control.

Rod.

Roderick Stewart

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Oct 10, 2021, 4:57:51 AM10/10/21
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It's everything in one box, for people who want the neatness and
convenience of everything in one box (and don't mind paying).

The arguments for and against this are the same ones as for all-in-one
desktop computers versus separate units, or perhaps the arguments that
were being aired half a century ago about hi-fi separates versus
combined "music centres". Perhaps the old argument about potentially
losing everything if only one part of the system becomes faulty could
be said to be less of a concern now that electronics is generally more
reliable, but other than that, the pros and cons seem much the same.

Rod.

JNugent

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On 09/10/2021 11:05 am, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

> How long though will Freeview last?
> ITV nearly had me gibbering last Sunday night when the final hour of
> midsummer murders had commercials very 7 minutes.

I never start watching anything on ITV, 4 or 5 until a quarter past the
nominal start time. Buffering it on Sky+, you can scoot through all the
advert breaks.

JNugent

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Some popular American drama series have episodes as short as 39 minutes
(in a one hour TX slot) when shorn of adverts and bumpers.

Ivan Plapp

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On 9 Oct 2021 at 14:09:08 BST, "Tony Gamble" <tonyg...@compuserve.com>
wrote:
I agree. I'm very picky about how "mirrorlike" my TVs are. Presumably this is
going to be some horrible over-glossed monstrosity.
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On 8 Oct 2021 at 10:18:18 BST, "Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

> On 08/10/2021 09:52, Indy Jess John wrote:
>> On 08/10/2021 07:52, Tweed wrote:
>>> The first TV with Sky inside. No dish, no box, no fuss.
>>
>> And almost certainly no aerial input, so that having opted for it you
>> can't watch anything but Sky.
>
> It almost certainly DOES have an aerial socket according to this, and a
> photo, but the whole scheme and business model is to lock you into the
> Skyuniverse, so for all of use in here not scared by wires, dishes, HDMI
> leads etc it's not for us.
>
> https://www.cordbusters.co.uk/sky-glass-4k-streaming-tv-hands-on/

I couldn't give a flying toss about the inputs. I need to know full
information about the outputs. Optical SPDIF? Analogue Line?

Unsteadyken

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In article <sjvgqb$nto$1...@dont-email.me>,

Ivan Plapp says...

> I need to know full
> information about the outputs. Optical SPDIF? Analogue Line?

Sky says audio output is via HDMI ARC only.



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Mark Carver

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Sky were setting up a pop up sales shed in Covent Garden this morning.

They had a number of TVs on display. They were as dim-as-f***, perhaps
they've not found the 'Vivid' Shop mode setting yet, but this tallies
with reports they are not really equipped for HDR (not enough nits)

I'll go back at lunchtime, when the sun is on them

Vir Campestris

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Someone commented to me today that the interesting bit is no satellite
connection. They have obviously given up, and are going over to IP only.

Andy

tim...

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given that this is a product specifically aimed at increasing market share
amongst people who can't have/do not want a dish on the side of their house,
that's a given

> They have obviously given up, and are going over to IP only.

They may be trying this, but I don't think it will work

In an attempt to be "pure" they seem reluctant to integrate this product
with Freeview and provide a recorder function so that people can default to
recording of broadcast programs instead of being subjected to the "rules" of
various online products for receiving your TV

From a conversation elsewhere where someone has found the channel list, it
seems that those FV channels who do not have an online offering will not be
offered by this product

so if you are in the set of people who regularly watches TV on these
channels you will be forced to attach an add on box to receiving them

so much for reducing clutter



Robin

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On 13/10/2021 07:48, tim... wrote:
>
>
> so if you are in the set of people who regularly watches TV on these
> channels you will be forced to attach an add on box to receiving them
>
> so much for reducing clutter
>

It has and an aerial socket and DVB-T tuner.



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Roderick Stewart

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On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 08:13:03 +0100, Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:

>> so if you are in the set of people who regularly watches TV on these
>> channels you will be forced to attach an add on box to receiving them
>>
>> so much for reducing clutter
>>
>
>It has and an aerial socket and DVB-T tuner.

Young people often don't bother with these things at all. One of my
granddaughters at university didn't even try to use an aerial with her
TV there, and I uderstand this is the usual way now. Either an Amazon
stick or the built-in internet features of the TV are enough. They'll
use the college wi-fi or "cast" things from their phones (whatever
that means) to put them on the bigger screen. Freeview is for oldies.

The golden age of broadcast TV is over. I say this with some nostalgic
pain because I used to work in it, but it's beyond deniability now.

Rod.

tim...

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"Robin" <r...@outlook.com> wrote in message
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> On 13/10/2021 07:48, tim... wrote:
>>
>>
>> so if you are in the set of people who regularly watches TV on these
>> channels you will be forced to attach an add on box to receiving them
>>
>> so much for reducing clutter
>>
>
> It has and an aerial socket

I know

> and DVB-T tuner.

but no inbuilt means of time shifting programs not available on "catch up"

Surely that's what proving a streaming box is all about - Time shifting.

Yet this box specifically disables that feature for some channels that do
have that enabled by other Sky products

tim







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there is 75% of the population older than this set



Max Demian

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On 13/10/2021 10:20, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 08:13:03 +0100, Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>>> so if you are in the set of people who regularly watches TV on these
>>> channels you will be forced to attach an add on box to receiving them
>>>
>>> so much for reducing clutter
>>>
>>
>> It has and an aerial socket and DVB-T tuner.
>
> Young people often don't bother with these things at all. One of my
> granddaughters at university didn't even try to use an aerial with her
> TV there, and I uderstand this is the usual way now. Either an Amazon
> stick or the built-in internet features of the TV are enough. They'll
> use the college wi-fi or "cast" things from their phones (whatever
> that means) to put them on the bigger screen. Freeview is for oldies.

Yes, what does "cast" mean? I get the impression that you are
watching/listening to something on your phone, tap something and it
appears on a big screen (or possibly you hear it on your hi-fi if audio
casting is still available), but you can still control it from your phone.

Is the stuff being beamed from you phone to the TV via Wi-Fi? Or are you
instructing the TV to get the material from the same source
(Internet/NAS drive)?

(I can't find a concise definition on the Internet.)

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Tweed

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Both. You can either mirror your phone’s screen (obvious issues) or cast in
the proper sense. In that instance the phone sends info to your chrome cast
(other dongles available) about where the stream resides and the dongle
picks the stream up from the source directly via its own Internet
connection. The phone can still control the display (pause, rewind etc)

Tony Gamble

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How is the definition established.

My Samsung8 casts to my 55" OLED.

I've tended to think the definition was defined by the phone.

Yes/no?

critcher

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On 08/10/2021 07:52, Tweed wrote:
> https://www.skygroup.sky/en-gb/article/introducing-sky-glass-the-new-streaming-tv-from-sky
>
> The first TV with Sky inside. No dish, no box, no fuss.
>
> Sky today announced the launch of Sky Glass, dramatically simplifying the
> way customers watch TV by integrating hardware, software and content. Sky
> Glass will be the only TV with award-winning Sky inside.
>
> For the first time in the UK, you can now get Sky TV over WiFi, with no
> satellite dish, no box and no fuss. The new streaming TV from Sky is
> available to buy in the UK from 18 October and will launch in Sky’s other
> European markets from 2022.
>
> Sky Glass, the streaming TV from Sky - key features:
>
> The only TV with Sky and all your favourite apps inside
> Buy your TV like you buy your mobile phone with flexible payments
> Cutting-edge design available in five colours and three sizes
> Ultra HD and Quantum Dot technology producing over 1 billion colours
> 360° Dolby Atmos® sound with powerful built-in speakers and sub-woofer
> Talk to your TV: just say “Hello Sky” to find what to watch
> The world’s first TV to be certified as a CarbonNeutral® product
> Simply plug, pair and play to enjoy stunning screen quality and cinematic
> sound, with everything you need built in, so you will be ready to go in
> minutes. With easy access to stream your favourite content and apps using
> your voice and incredible search, Sky Glass makes it simple for you to find
> and watch the TV you love.
>
> Speaking at the launch, Dana Strong, Group Chief Executive, Sky said: “Sky
> Glass is the streaming TV with Sky inside, providing the total integration
> of hardware, software and content. Built on over 30 years of understanding
> what our customers want, this is a TV that only Sky could make. We believe
> this is the smartest TV available, and that customers will love it.”
>
> Redefining the TV market
>
> Sky has always aimed to give people what they want before they know they
> want it, and to make things easy for customers. That’s why Sky is
> redefining and creating a new category within the TV market to reach even
> more households. By taking this step, Sky will operate across the whole
> value chain, from content production, through to connectivity and
> aggregation, all coming together on the Sky Glass screen.
>
> Sky Glass is designed to make life easier with a range of innovations:
>
> TV never looked so good
>
> Sky partnered with Map Project Office, one of world’s leading design
> agencies, to create the elegant design. Sky Glass comes in a choice of
> three sizes (Small 43”, Medium 55” and Large 65”) and five rich colours.
> Choose from Ocean blue, Ceramic white, Racing green, Dusky pink, or
> Anthracite black, with matching remotes and customisable speaker fascias
> for extra personalisation. It has a mounting bracket cleverly integrated
> into the TV, or a sleek colour matched stand. With a single wire and just
> one plug, Sky Glass makes clutter a thing of the past, while the woven
> acoustic mesh used to optimise sound performance and millimetre-perfect
> perforations help Sky Glass sound as good as it looks.
>
> Spectacular screen and spine-tingling sound
>
> With over a billion colours, a 4K Ultra HD Quantum Dot screen delivers
> crystal-clear picture, while the 10-bit HDR screen supports HLG, HDR10 and
> Dolby Vision® to produce vibrant, more intense colour. Whether you’re
> cheering on your team in the Premier League or getting stuck into the
> latest blockbuster, Sky Glass knows what you’re watching and optimises
> sound and picture for you, while Intelligent Zonal Technology works to
> bring you darker darks and brights that look brighter.
>
> Transform your living room into a cinema, concert, or stadium with six
> powerful, integrated speakers in optimal positions to deliver edge to edge
> Dolby Atmos® sound and a sub-woofer designed in for a rich, deep bass - all
> without buying a separate soundbar.
>
> The smarter TV with Sky inside
>
> With far field voice and Glance Motion Technology, just say “Hello Sky” or
> walk past to bring the streaming TV to life. A new home page makes it
> easier to find, watch and play the TV you love. It brings all your
> favourite content from across Sky, BBC iPlayer, Netflix, Disney+, ITV Hub,
> All4, Spotify, Peloton, PlayWorks and more. Use your voice to find what you
> want in a flash and to turn on the TV, control the volume or switch to
> connected devices.
>
> At the press of a single button, you can now create a personal Playlist of
> your favourite shows, movies and more across apps and channels, live and on
> demand. The new plus button on the remote adds to your Playlist for you to
> stream any time you want – all in one place.
>
> You never need to miss a show again with live Restart, you can jump
> straight back into anything that’s on now and available to watch from the
> start.
>
> Doesn’t cost the Earth
>
> Sky Glass is the world’s first TV to be certified as a CarbonNeutral®
> product. Sustainably designed, it has low power features built in such as
> auto-switch-off and auto-adjusting screen brightness helping it to be more
> energy efficient. It is the only TV to come in recyclable packaging, free
> from single-use plastic and by using a TV with everything built in, you
> reduce electricity consumption by up to 50%i.
>
> Hi-tech. Low price.
>
> Sky Glass is made to be affordable. Choose to buy your TV like you buy your
> mobile phone by paying in one go or spread the cost with interest-free
> monthly payments. It is available from as little as £13 per month,
> exclusively with Sky TV, starting from £26 for Sky Ultimate TV and for the
> first time HD is included as standard. That’s £39 per month to get the 43”
> Sky Glass TV plus every episode of award-winning Sky Originals and Sky
> Exclusives, all your favourite channels and a fantastic line up you won’t
> find on Freeview, as well as Netflix. For just £4 more a month you can
> increase the size of your TV to a 55”, or £8 more for a 65”.
>
> It comes with a full two-year warranty and a free delivery service that
> includes unboxing and packaging removal.
>
> For those that enjoy watching Sky in multiple rooms in your house, the
> Whole Home pack puts Sky Glass inside any TV using the Sky Stream Puck for
> £10 a month.
>
> Coming soon…
>
> Sky Glass has been built as a platform which can be deployed by other Telco
> and subscription television operators so they can bring the Sky Glass
> experience to their customers too. Sky today announces the Foxtel Group,
> Australia's leading subscription TV company as its first Sky Glass
> syndication partner. Sky Glass will launch in the Australian market as an
> element of the Foxtel Group’s future roadmap for its Foxtel brand and will
> contain both Foxtel and third-party content. This is the first of many
> collaborations as Sky Glass is scaled across the globe.
>
> Sky Glass will get even better in 2022, with the launch of a high spec 4K
> smart camera that works seamlessly with Sky Glass and will unlock a range
> of exciting new services for the whole family. It will transform how we
> chat, play games, workout and share entertainment at home.
>
> Leveraging Comcast’s technology strength
>
> The streaming TV from Sky is built on technology borne of the collaboration
> as part of the Comcast Corporation – using the same operating system, and
> with shared knowledge and expertise. A great example of how Sky and Comcast
> are together accelerating innovation across the company. Added to Sky’s
> successful history of innovation gives the perfect combination of scale,
> capability and brand power.
>
> Strongest line-up of products
>
> In 2022, Sky will offer its strongest ever line-up of products and services
> to sit alongside Sky Glass. In addition to Sky Glass, customers can enjoy
> the award-winning Sky Q with all your favourite channels and apps in one
> place, and with Sky Go you can now access an even better experience on your
> devices. Sky TV has new channels, new shows and new deals with Peacock,
> Paramount+ and more. Sky Mobile was voted Best Pay Monthly and Best Value
> Pay Monthly network by Uswitch, and with Sky Broadband we’re offering our
> fastest speeds yet.
>


Sky must be concerned about their sat. service.The prices they charge
are now exorbitant.

critcher

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On 08/10/2021 10:09, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <xn0n3vth0...@news.individual.net>,
> Jeff Gaines <jgaines...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 08/10/2021 in message <sjopqs$pu0$1...@dont-email.me> Tweed wrote:
>
>>> The first TV with Sky inside. No dish, no box, no fuss.
>
>> I have a Roku box and separate TV and amp, gives me the best of all
>> worlds (and saves me £57 a month to Sky) with the ability to
>> update/replace discrete units as needed.
>
> Interesting, I can see the logic.
>
> Not trying to pick holes, I'm interested as to what's possible I
> presume that you cannot get Sky specific progs and channels or can
> you? Sky F1, Alibi, Black List etc..
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob.
>


Future problems could consist of broadband being over used with
stuttering etc, imagine every house using BB and watching tv and
computer games and ps5 or xbox

Unsteadyken

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Oct 13, 2021, 11:35:14 AM10/13/21
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In article <iso669...@mid.individual.net>,

Tony Gamble says...

> My Samsung8 casts to my 55" OLED.
>
My Win10 laptop will cast to the TV, AV receiver and Blu-ray player over
the wired network. Also on the network are a Playstation, Youview PVR,
Freesat STB and a Freeview STB.

The only wifi device is a Roberts Stream 94i in the bedroom.


No smart phone here, too difficult to operate with only 1 working
hand:-(


--
Ken

Tony Gamble

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Oct 13, 2021, 1:03:33 PM10/13/21
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Interesting Ken,

Win10 is one thing.

A tiddly little Samsung8 phone with a minute screen is another.

What would you say about the 'resolution' of its feed to the 55" tele?

Tony

Tony Gamble

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Oct 13, 2021, 1:05:28 PM10/13/21
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Is this post suggesting that they will simply abandon their satellite?

I cannot imagine the internet structure of the UK could cope with every
single Sky viewer using it.

Roderick Stewart

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Oct 13, 2021, 2:06:46 PM10/13/21
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 11:39:53 +0100, "tim..." <timsn...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Yes, and some of us hardly ever watch broadcast TV either.

Rod.

Unsteadyken

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Oct 13, 2021, 2:18:05 PM10/13/21
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In article <isohr2...@mid.individual.net>,

Tony Gamble says...

> A tiddly little Samsung8 phone with a minute screen is another.
>
> What would you say about the 'resolution' of its feed to the 55" tele?
>

I can cast files not the whole screen, the files look and sound OK, I
don't use it much.


--
Ken

Andy Burns

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Oct 14, 2021, 2:53:10 AM10/14/21
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Max Demian wrote:

> Is the stuff being beamed from you phone to the TV via Wi-Fi? Or are you
> instructing the TV to get the material from the same source
Generally the latter ...

Tony Gamble

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Oct 14, 2021, 4:10:35 AM10/14/21
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But not what I found when I tried to run a 4k film stream from my Galaxy
tablet to my OLED yesterday evening.

It stuttered.

I ran it from my Nvidia Shield and it was perfect.

Tony

Andy Burns

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Oct 14, 2021, 4:15:33 AM10/14/21
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Tony Gamble wrote:

> But not what I found when I tried to run a 4k film stream from my Galaxy tablet
> to my OLED yesterday evening.
>
> It stuttered.

I find that WiDi or MiraCast from laptops to TVs is far too stuttery to be
bearable, even making the initial connection is not reliable.

But anything from a phone/tablet to chromecast device tells the device to fetch
its own stream from the source ... indeed you can reboot or turn off the phone
once it's started the stream.

Tony Gamble

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Oct 14, 2021, 4:31:44 AM10/14/21
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Points taken.

As smart tvs have similar software to Android tablets I can't see the
point of streaming to them now.

Tony


On 14/10/2021 09:15, Andy Burns wrote:

Vir Campestris

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Oct 16, 2021, 12:46:25 PM10/16/21
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On 13/10/2021 16:08, critcher wrote:
>
>
> Future problems could consist of broadband being over used with
> stuttering etc, imagine every house using BB and watching tv and
> computer games and ps5 or xbox

On 13/10/2021 18:05, Tony Gamble wrote:
> Is this post suggesting that they will simply abandon their satellite?
>
> I cannot imagine the internet structure of the UK could cope with every
> single Sky viewer using it.

Why would this be a problem?

When we moved here we had 5Mb, and this was rumoured to be the best in
the village.

As of Monday I'll have 150Mb (or possibly nothing at all until they make
it work!).

The internet infrastructure in the UK is improving.

Andy

tim...

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Oct 17, 2021, 3:25:44 AM10/17/21
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"Tweed" <usenet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:sk6fqc$m0s$1...@dont-email.me...
where does it say that the user has a chrome cast device (whatever that is)

I can cast directly to my TV, in theory.






tim...

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Oct 17, 2021, 3:27:25 AM10/17/21
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"Tony Gamble" <tonyg...@compuserve.com> wrote in message
news:isohum...@mid.individual.net...
> Is this post suggesting that they will simply abandon their satellite?
>
> I cannot imagine the internet structure of the UK could cope with every
> single Sky viewer using it.


me neither

TPTB (you know, the people who think that hash tags are "technology") think
otherwise



Tweed

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Oct 17, 2021, 3:35:21 AM10/17/21
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I did say other dongles available. In your case integrated into the TV.

Tweed

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Oct 17, 2021, 3:49:52 AM10/17/21
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Be more imaginative. Who would have thought a few years ago that you could
pick up on demand streams of a vast number of programmes? Not too long ago
I thought it a miracle that any sort of video could come via the Internet.
Within a decade the vast majority of homes will be connected to proper
fibre to the home Internet. Since I moved to Sky Q the other week from Sky
plus probably half of our viewing comes via the Internet rather than the
dish.

I bet in the late 1960s there was a bunch of folk who sat there grumbling
that this new fangled colour tv was both unnecessary and would never catch
on…..

charles

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Oct 17, 2021, 4:32:46 AM10/17/21
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In article <skgkiu$1t5$1...@dont-email.me>,
> onŚ..

There were.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

williamwright

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Oct 17, 2021, 10:36:47 AM10/17/21
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On 17/10/2021 08:49, Tweed wrote:
> I bet in the late 1960s there was a bunch of folk who sat there grumbling
> that this new fangled colour tv was both unnecessary and would never catch
> on…..

Some said it was technically impossible.

Bill

Indy Jess John

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Oct 17, 2021, 12:42:00 PM10/17/21
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On 17/10/2021 08:49, Tweed wrote:

> I bet in the late 1960s there was a bunch of folk who sat there grumbling
> that this new fangled colour tv was both unnecessary and would never catch
> on…..
>

I didn't grumble about it, but as a colour-blind person who could tell
the colours of the snooker balls by the shade of grey, I couldn't see
the point of it - until I married someone who wasn't colour-blind and
insisted my monochrome TV wasn't good enough.

There is nothing like a good nag to make the higher price of a colour
licence look worthwhile ;-)

Jim
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