BBC Red Button
Kennedy McEwen
the BBC Red Button, prior to a review of this "service" next year.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/consultations/departments/bbc/bbc-red-butto
n/consultation/intro
Can someone please explain to me what the "Red Button" does that isn't
already performed by the "Text" button?
For me the "BBC Red Button" seems to be a completely superfluous feature
with no user benefit at all, just a rather offensive full intensity DOG
that irritatingly doesn't even stay cleared by applying the less
commonly known "Green Button" feature.
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Peter Duncanson
<r...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>I see that the BBC trust are currently running an Online Survey about
>the BBC Red Button, prior to a review of this "service" next year.
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/consultations/departments/bbc/bbc-red-butto
>n/consultation/intro
>
>Can someone please explain to me what the "Red Button" does that isn't
>already performed by the "Text" button?
>
>For me the "BBC Red Button" seems to be a completely superfluous feature
>with no user benefit at all, just a rather offensive full intensity DOG
>that irritatingly doesn't even stay cleared by applying the less
>commonly known "Green Button" feature.
"BBC Red Button" is the name of the service, not the dog's name.
From the above link:
"BBC Red Button" is the name of the interactive TV services accessed
by pressing the "red" or "text" buttons on your digital remote
control. It is meant to provide continuous and constantly updated
news, information, education and entertainment service for all
digital TV audiences, offering interactive video, audio, pictures
and text. It should support and enhance some BBC TV programmes and
serve as an access point and a means of navigating BBC�s non-linear
TV and radio content.
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Peter Duncanson
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Stephen Wolstenholme
<r...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>For me the "BBC Red Button" seems to be a completely superfluous feature
>with no user benefit at all, just a rather offensive full intensity DOG
>that irritatingly doesn't even stay cleared by applying the less
>commonly known "Green Button" feature.
As I have never needed to use a red button service so it's just
superfluous screen noise to me. The only time I tried it to see what
it was for I remember having a problem switching it off!
Steve
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J G Miller
> "BBC Red Button" is the name of the service, not the dog's name.
Are the BBC still operating their Red Button service for the Ten O Clock
News where viewers can select to watch fuller length articles than they
can squeeze in on the main news program?
Mike
> I see that the BBC trust are currently running an Online Survey about
> n/consultation/intro
>
> Can someone please explain to me what the "Red Button" does that isn't
> already performed by the "Text" button?
>
> For me the "BBC Red Button" seems to be a completely superfluous feature
> with no user benefit at all, just a rather offensive full intensity DOG
> that irritatingly doesn't even stay cleared by applying the less
> commonly known "Green Button" feature.
> --
> Kennedy
> Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
> A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's pissed.
> Python Philosophers (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying)
As a for instance, the red button option is available during the F1
Coverage and allows the viewer to switch between audio streams or
switch in car views etc. It isn't 'just' a clone of the text button
when it is explicitly shown. I often use this to switch to the R5 Live
audio when Jonathan Legard starts to wind me up.
Peter Crosland
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>I see that the BBC trust are currently running an Online Survey about the
>BBC Red Button, prior to a review of this "service" next year.
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/consultations/departments/bbc/bbc-red-butto
> n/consultation/intro
>
> Can someone please explain to me what the "Red Button" does that isn't
> already performed by the "Text" button?
>
> For me the "BBC Red Button" seems to be a completely superfluous feature
> with no user benefit at all, just a rather offensive full intensity DOG
> that irritatingly doesn't even stay cleared by applying the less commonly
> known "Green Button" feature.
It provides a common link to a variety of services including a digital
replacement for the analogue CEEFAX service and access to various
additional, programs.
Start here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/digital/tv/tv_interactive.shtml
Peter Crosland
Kennedy McEwen
<3cc02051-0941-4228...@m1g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, Mike
<mike...@googlemail.com> writes
>
>As a for instance, the red button option is available during the F1
>Coverage and allows the viewer to switch between audio streams or
>switch in car views etc. It isn't 'just' a clone of the text button
>when it is explicitly shown. I often use this to switch to the R5 Live
>audio when Jonathan Legard starts to wind me up.
I would love to see an example of this difference but the Brazilian F-1
coverage was just one recent case where I specifically checked if "Text"
and "Red" were different: contrary to your suggestion, on my 3 DVB sets
at least, there was no difference at all. Both Text and Red brought up
EXACTLY the same menu which included the option of alternative streams
(as well as normal text services and multiscreen news).
Hence my original question.
Oh, and when the alternative audio was selected, just like during
Wimbledon alternate matches, the menu for the service was then accessed
by the BLUE button!
Kennedy McEwen
<ma...@peterduncanson.net> writes
the service, but that doesn't justify "Press 'Red'" being continuously
scrawled on the screen when the more common "text" button does exactly
the same thing without needing any graffiti.
Mark Carver
> I see that the BBC trust are currently running an Online Survey about
> the BBC Red Button, prior to a review of this "service" next year.
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/consultations/departments/bbc/bbc-red-butto
> n/consultation/intro
Well, again presumably as part of Ofcom's scheme to clear PSB3/Mux B for
HD, the number of Freeview interactive streams drop to just one next week:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2009/10_october/20/freeview.shtml?utm_c
Why bother ? Just rename it BBC 5, and be done with all that Red Button
gimmicky to access it (which you don't need anyway, just punch in 301).
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Peter Duncanson
<r...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
The red button doesn't need graffiti either.
Kennedy McEwen
<mark....@invalid.invalid> writes
>Kennedy McEwen wrote:
>> I see that the BBC trust are currently running an Online Survey about
>>the BBC Red Button, prior to a review of this "service" next year.
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/consultations/departments/bbc/bbc-red-butto
>> n/consultation/intro
>
>Well, again presumably as part of Ofcom's scheme to clear PSB3/Mux B
>for HD, the number of Freeview interactive streams drop to just one
>next week:-
>
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2009/10_october/2
>0/freeview.shtml?utm_c
>
Seems a bit pre-emptive though, crippling the service before the review
has even begun and while "Lines are still open". Smells like a dead
Blue Peter cat!
>Why bother ? Just rename it BBC 5, and be done with all that Red Button
>gimmicky to access it (which you don't need anyway, just punch in 301).
>
At last, someone who seems to understand the gist of my question!
Kennedy McEwen
Crosland <g6...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
that support additional services, not just Auntie's channels!
Why do we need the "Red button" shoved in our face for what is basically
a text and alternate channel service that can be accessed just as easily
through conventional means.
J G Miller
> Just rename it BBC 5, and be done with all that Red Button
> gimmicky to access it (which you don't need anyway, just punch in 301).
Your suggestion cannot and will not be implemented because it is far
too sensible.
And rather than "5", rename it BBC Sports / Events and put things like
F1 and Wimbledon and the Chelsea Flower Show on it so that the schedule
on BBC-1 does not get messed up.
Of course there is a reason why this cannot be currently done, and it
is a political one. The BBC are not allowed to launch a new network
without special dispensation from the BBC Trust and DCMS.
Peter Crosland
> In article <YrKdnfMSjLD-SkDX...@brightview.co.uk>, Peter
> Crosland <g6...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>"Kennedy McEwen" <r...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:w1GjvtCG...@kennedym.demon.co.uk...
>>>I see that the BBC trust are currently running an Online Survey about the
>>>BBC Red Button, prior to a review of this "service" next year.
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/consultations/departments/bbc/bbc-red-butto
>>> n/consultation/intro
>>>
>>> Can someone please explain to me what the "Red Button" does that isn't
>>> already performed by the "Text" button?
>>>
>>> For me the "BBC Red Button" seems to be a completely superfluous feature
>>> with no user benefit at all, just a rather offensive full intensity DOG
>>> that irritatingly doesn't even stay cleared by applying the less
>>> commonly
>>> known "Green Button" feature.
>>
>>
>>It provides a common link to a variety of services including a digital
>>replacement for the analogue CEEFAX service and access to various
>>additional, programs.
>>
> So does "Text" and, no surprises, "Text" does the same on all channels
> that support additional services, not just Auntie's channels!
>
> Why do we need the "Red button" shoved in our face for what is basically a
> text and alternate channel service that can be accessed just as easily
> through conventional means.
It seems to be a case of much ado about nothing. The TEXT button and RED
buttons do not act identically on all sets. As for your complaint about the
DOG to get rid of it just press the EXT, BACK or RETURN button depending on
you particular set or box.
Peter Crosland
Mark Carver
Yes, and I guess that's the loophole by which the current 'BBCi'
channels are permitted, they're not 'channels', they're 'interactive'
services.
Whatever, the BBC Trust, DCMS, and Ofcom all need to have their heads
repeatedly smashed together until some common bloody sense prevails !
Brian Gregory [UK]
exactly the same function.
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Mark Carver
> But there are plenty of cases when the red button and text do perform
> exactly the same function.
I don't think I've encountered a box or receiver where those two buttons
don't perform the same function. A Sky remote in 'Sky Mode' certainly
does, so that's 9 million boxes for starters !
Brian Gregory [UK]
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> Brian Gregory [UK] wrote:
>> But there are plenty of cases when the red button and text do perform
>> exactly the same function.
>
> I don't think I've encountered a box or receiver where those two buttons
> don't perform the same function. A Sky remote in 'Sky Mode' certainly
> does, so that's 9 million boxes for starters !
Well, I don't know about Sky and Freesat, I only use Freeview.
As I understand it on Freeview the red button can be programmed to do
whatever the broadcaster wants.
The BBC thinks we can't read and need to be told a colour to get to their
text services so as far as I can see they generally program it to do the
same as the text button.
Some of the other broadcasters don't program it to do anything, and you have
to press text to get their text services if they have any.
There are cases when the BBC program it to do other things. For instance
when listening to BBC radio on Freeview.
Kennedy McEwen
<ma...@peterduncanson.net> writes
Kennedy McEwen
Crosland <g6...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>
>It seems to be a case of much ado about nothing. The TEXT button and RED
>buttons do not act identically on all sets.
Name one that doesn't, for BBC TV!
If you read the first line of text on the page I previously referenced,
even the BBC admit they do exactly the same thing.
> As for your complaint about the
>DOG to get rid of it just press the EXT, BACK or RETURN button depending on
>you particular set or box.
>
Do you want another go, since none of those 3 work?
Clue: read the 3rd menu item on Page 9990. And it always comes back!
Peter Crosland
> In article <vYudnSiXv7yarUPX...@brightview.co.uk>, Peter
> Crosland <g6...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>
>>It seems to be a case of much ado about nothing. The TEXT button and RED
>>buttons do not act identically on all sets.
>
> Name one that doesn't, for BBC TV!
>
> If you read the first line of text on the page I previously referenced,
> even the BBC admit they do exactly the same thing.
>
>> As for your complaint about the
>>DOG to get rid of it just press the EXT, BACK or RETURN button depending
>>on
>>you particular set or box.
>>
> Do you want another go, since none of those 3 work?
>
> Clue: read the 3rd menu item on Page 9990. And it always comes back!
RTFM.
Peter Crosland
Paul S
> In article <vYudnSiXv7yarUPX...@brightview.co.uk>, Peter
> Crosland <g6...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>
>>It seems to be a case of much ado about nothing. The TEXT button and RED
>>buttons do not act identically on all sets.
>
> Name one that doesn't, for BBC TV!
>
Errm - my Netgem box doesn't - the text button brings up the 'press red' DOG
which I then press to get to the menu
Text will exit the red button stuff, red button doesn't
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I'd have called it textview myself.
Brian
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Max Demian
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> Non linear? Does this mean it logarithmic then?
Branching rather than in a straight line. The branches might include video,
still pictures and audio as well as text.
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Roger R
"Mark Carver" <mark....@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
On the BBC radio4 Media Show at lunch time today, Ben Bradshaw, the current
incumbant with responsibility for Culture Media and Sport said in a
politicians way that he is to abolish the BBC Trust - after a suitable
enquiry, of course. So that reduces the number of heads that need to be
banged together, but i am not convinced that any more sense will come out as
a result.
Roger R
Kennedy McEwen
>"Kennedy McEwen" <r...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> In article <vYudnSiXv7yarUPX...@brightview.co.uk>, Peter
>> Crosland <g6...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>>
>>>It seems to be a case of much ado about nothing. The TEXT button and RED
>>>buttons do not act identically on all sets.
>>
>> Name one that doesn't, for BBC TV!
>>
>> If you read the first line of text on the page I previously referenced,
>> even the BBC admit they do exactly the same thing.
>>
>>> As for your complaint about the
>>>DOG to get rid of it just press the EXT, BACK or RETURN button depending
>>>on
>>>you particular set or box.
>>>
>> Do you want another go, since none of those 3 work?
>>
>> Clue: read the 3rd menu item on Page 9990. And it always comes back!
>
>
>RTFM.
>
equipment manual is going to have any information about BBC specific
DOGs then you are a complete looney!
As stated, your "advice" doesn't work, whilst the BBC's own advice (and
caveat about it coming back does), which makes me wonder if you
understand the issue at hand at all.
Kennedy McEwen
<morespam@nothanks.?.invalid> writes
>
>"Kennedy McEwen" <r...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> In article <vYudnSiXv7yarUPX...@brightview.co.uk>, Peter
>>Crosland <g6...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>>
>>>It seems to be a case of much ado about nothing. The TEXT button and RED
>>>buttons do not act identically on all sets.
>>
>> Name one that doesn't, for BBC TV!
>>
>
>Errm - my Netgem box doesn't - the text button brings up the 'press red' DOG
>which I then press to get to the menu
>
"text" instead of "red"?
J G Miller
> On the BBC radio4 Media Show at lunch time today, Ben Bradshaw, the
> current incumbant with responsibility for Culture Media and Sport said
> in a politicians way that he is to abolish the BBC Trust - after a
> suitable enquiry, of course.
More deck chair re-arranging? It was the FauxLaboUr administration
which created the BBC Trust after sacking all of the BBC governors
as part of reprisals over the Gilligan affair.
Light of Aria
FFS. "The Red Button" is attached to a piece of hardware that I own. It's
not the BBC's Red Button at all.
Light of Aria
"Interactive" shit is disabled in my Topfield.