brand new but very old aerials for sale

[Bill Wright]

I'm clearing my dad's house and there a quite a few TV aerials there.
Ignoring the rubbish, there are some boxed high gain types. These are
from the Antiference XG range and the Jaybeam MBM range. All the aerials
are grouped. There are also some TC18As. Some of these aerials are from
the 1980s but they are still in the original boxes. Some of the boxes
are battered, but the contents are OK. These are the high gain aerials
of choice if you want a grouped aerial. They knock the spots off
wideband models. I was thinking that maybe £15 to £25 would be fair for
each aerial, depending on type. If anyone's interested I'll go and note
down the exact types and groups. It would have to be buyer collect
though. These things would take a lot of parcelling up. If anyone wants
to take the lot I would accept maybe £15 per aerial.

Bill

[Graham.]

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 17:03:06 +0000, Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com>
wrote:

In about 1982 a brand new shiny Band III aerial went up on my patch. I
remember thinking how short-sighted that was.



--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

[charles]

In article <ra9l98th409okkc2o...@4ax.com>,

In the summer of 1953, someone from London with a new holiday home in
Arisaig fitted a Band 1 aerial. tv arrived (on uhf) some time in the 80s.

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

[Bill Wright]

Graham. wrote:

>
>
> In about 1982 a brand new shiny Band III aerial went up on my patch. I
> remember thinking how short-sighted that was.

I did some freebies for a charity and often they had installed a 405
only set in the recipient's house, and I had to do the aerial.

Bill

[Bill Wright]

charles wrote:

> In the summer of 1953, someone from London with a new holiday home in
> Arisaig fitted a Band 1 aerial. tv arrived (on uhf) some time in the 80s.
>

Presumably it was for channel 1, Crystal/Alex Palace.

Years ago I had a customer who had lived in Aberdeen and had retired to
Yorkshire, where he lived in a terrible reception area. He refused to
believe that there could be a reception problem on the grounds that
'this is near London'.

Bill

[Graham.]

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 19:58:40 +0000, Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com>
wrote:

And mobile phones are rubbish, I was at the checkouts in Tescos and
tried to ring SWMBO, it said no signal, but she was onlt in fruit &
veg.

--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

[Steve Terry]

Graham. wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 19:58:40 +0000, Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>> charles wrote:

<snip>

> And mobile phones are rubbish, I was at the checkouts in Tescos and

> tried to ring SWMBO, it said no signal, but she was only in fruit &
> veg.
>
Try getting her to move to frozen foods, might get a better reflected
signal off the freezers?

Steve Terry
--
Get a free GiffGaff PAYG Sim and �5 bonus after activation at:
http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/gfourwwk

[Graham.]

On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 21:34:50 -0000, "Steve Terry" <gfou...@tesco.net>
wrote:

>Graham. wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 19:58:40 +0000, Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com>
>> wrote:
>>> charles wrote:
><snip>
>> And mobile phones are rubbish, I was at the checkouts in Tescos and
>> tried to ring SWMBO, it said no signal, but she was only in fruit &
>> veg.
>>
>Try getting her to move to frozen foods, might get a better reflected
>signal off the freezers?
>
>Steve Terry

Trur story (I'm afraid to say).
She once had me paged over the Tannoy in a supermarket when we got
separated. After she did it, the woman on customer Services asked how
old her little boy was. 33 she replied.



--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

[Graham.]

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 19:54:56 +0000, Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com>
wrote:

In the '70s if the customer had a UHF aerial they often left the
rotary tuner set to BBC2 and used VHF/405 for BBC1/ITV.
Set design on 625 was so crap that in many cases the picture was
subjectively better on 405 anyway.



--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

[Ian Jackson]

In message <8inl98hf05s181b1j...@4ax.com>, Graham.
<m...@privacy.net.invalid> writes

In the 1960s, I had a Ferguson 3000 (?) black and white set, and the
625-line picture was sort-of 'soft' and rather fuzzy. The 405-line
pictures had far better sharpness and contrast.
--
Ian

[geoff]

In message <nogl981r726ccr2h1...@4ax.com>, Graham.
<m...@privacy.net.invalid> writes

You just prolly had problems pearing


--
geoff

[The Natural Philosopher]

Apple phone would have worked..

--
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

[polygonum]

Should have tried the toothpaste aisle...

--
Rod

[Graham.]

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 23:56:07 +0000, polygonum <rmoud...@vrod.co.uk>
wrote:

...Packs of Signal.
(Took me a while)

--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

[Graham.]

SOn Wed, 7 Nov 2012 22:37:30 +0000, Ian Jackson

So much so that I took some 35mm shots of the Apollo 11 mission off
the screen of our 23in dual-standard Bush on 405, when the same
programme was also available on 625.

--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

[Bill Wright]

Graham. wrote:

> So much so that I took some 35mm shots of the Apollo 11 mission off
> the screen of our 23in dual-standard Bush on 405, when the same
> programme was also available on 625.
>

Look guys this is all vastly amusing but does anyone want these fucking
aerials?

Bill

[Owain]

On Nov 8, 1:43 am, Bill Wright wrote:
> Look guys this is all vastly amusing but does anyone want these fucking
> aerials?

Are they digital?

Owain

[Andrew May]

Well it might help if you said where they were. It could be a long
journey to collect a 15 quid aerial.

[Halmyre]

And widescreen?

--
Halmyre

[DerbyBorn]

Andrew May <andrew...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ag1c59F276qU1
@mid.individual.net:

Have new TVs ditched the analogue tuner now?

[Roderick Stewart]

In article <k7es2t$t14$4...@news.albasani.net>, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

> >> And mobile phones are rubbish, I was at the checkouts in Tescos and
> >> tried to ring SWMBO, it said no signal, but she was onlt in fruit &
> >> veg.
> >>
> > You just prolly had problems pearing
> >
> >
> Apple phone would have worked..

Or maybe a Blackberry...?

Rod.
--

[The Natural Philosopher]

You could have built one from a Raspberry Pi..

..but without the proper red and black currents, not much chance of it
working.

[Roderick Stewart]

In article <k7g9bu$6os$3...@news.albasani.net>, The Natural Philosopher

wrote:
> >>>> And mobile phones are rubbish,
> I was at the checkouts in Tescos and
> >>>> tried to ring SWMBO, it said
> no signal, but she was onlt in fruit &
> >>>> veg.
> >>>>
> >>> You just prolly had problems pearing
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Apple phone would have worked..
> >
> > Or maybe a Blackberry...?
> >
> > Rod.
> > --
> >
> You could have built one from a Raspberry Pi..
>

> ...but without the proper red and black currents, not much chance of it
> working.

It's enough to make you feel quite meloncholy.

Rod.
--

[John Williamson]

Only on Orange.


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[Bill Wright]

I knew someone would ask that. OK, I admit it, they are for three black
and white analogue channels? You've caught me out. Satisfied?

Bill

[Bill Wright]

There's an assortment of XG14s, XG21s, MBM48s, MBM70s, MBM88s, various
groups. They are in the loft and hard to get at so I thought I'd see if
there was any interest before I went to have a look. It's 16 miles from
here as well.

Bill

[Phil Cook]

For them as don't know where "here" is I'll tell thee; he lives somwear
in't Sheffield-Rovrum area, otherwise known as't People's Republic on't
South Yorkshire.
--
Phil Cook

[Steve Terry]

That's Norf of Luton init?
I don't think my passport visa is valid that far

[Peter Johnson]

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 19:58:40 +0000, Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com>
wrote:

>Years ago I had a customer who had lived in Aberdeen and had retired to
>Yorkshire, where he lived in a terrible reception area. He refused to
>believe that there could be a reception problem on the grounds that
>'this is near London'.

A few years ago, not long after I had discovered this group, friends
bought and restored a cottage in Wales, on the border west of
Shrewsbury. I called in just after they had finished, when he said the
TV signal was crap, he had installed the aerial from his old house.
Find out what you need for this area, I told him, one that works for
Waltham won't work here.

[R. Mark Clayton]

"Bill Wright" <bi...@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:k7e48a$fvc$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
> I'm clearing my dad's house and there a quite a few TV aerials there.
> Ignoring the rubbish, there are some boxed high gain types. These are from
> the Antiference XG range and the Jaybeam MBM range. All the aerials are
> grouped. There are also some TC18As. Some of these aerials are from the
> 1980s but they are still in the original boxes. Some of the boxes are
> battered, but the contents are OK. These are the high gain aerials of
> choice if you want a grouped aerial. They knock the spots off wideband
> models. I was thinking that maybe £15 to £25 would be fair for each
> aerial, depending on type. If anyone's interested I'll go and note down
> the exact types and groups. It would have to be buyer collect though.
> These things would take a lot of parcelling up. If anyone wants to take
> the lot I would accept maybe £15 per aerial.
>
> Bill

How much?!?

www.aerialsandtv.com just up the road from you will do a brand new 18
element aerial for £26 - we bought one this year.

[Bill Wright]

These are brand new large high gain grouped aerials, not 18 element aerials.

Bill

[Owain]

On Nov 8, 3:10 pm, Bill Wright wrote:
> > Are they digital?

> I knew someone would ask that. OK, I admit it, they are for three black
> and white analogue channels? You've caught me out. Satisfied?

I sent my 10" b/w telly for recycling yesterday, so I'd need colour
aerials now.

Owain

[tony sayer]

In article <5vqdnXvq1q4_dgbN...@bt.com>, R. Mark Clayton
<nospam...@btinternet.com> scribeth thus

Yeabut these are somewhat "historic" and new boxed, got to be worth a
few bob?...
--
Tony Sayer

[tony sayer]

In article <DYgYy2Hq...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk>, Ian Jackson <ianREMOVET
HISja...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> scribeth thus

When I started work at PYE TVT I first saw what 625 line could do!,
amazed at how good it was but of course with the Neg going modulation it
did seem less vibrant than what the Pos 405 line did but the detail was
astounding for those times!.

Also converted an olde 405 line set to 625 managed to get the timebase
up there tweaked the IF, added a UHF tuner changed the demod diode
polarity built up an FM strip for the sound demod, bit of a sod that but
still.

Course in those days receiving Crystal palace just south of Cambridge
wasn't too good but on a few foggy nights when there was a bit of a lift
on it was surprising just what could be achieved:)...

--
Tony Sayer

[tony sayer]

In article <k7f2ot$p9b$2...@speranza.aioe.org>, Bill Wright
<bi...@invalid.com> scribeth thus

Wouldn't mind one of the Jaybeam parabeam ones perhaps, for group B if
you have one?..
--
Tony Sayer

[geoff]

In message <k7f2ot$p9b$2...@speranza.aioe.org>, Bill Wright
<bi...@invalid.com> writes

Ah they're reproducing now then, are they ?

--
geoff

[geoff]

In message <ag217u...@mid.individual.net>, Phil Cook
<ph...@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk> writes

Is that where they paint the top third of the picture blue and the
bottom third green and call it colour TV?

--
geoff

[Graham.]

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 10:09:24 GMT, DerbyBorn <Not_...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

I've yet to see a TV that doesn't have one. Not sure about the VBI
text and NICAM chipsets though.

--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

[Graham.]

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 19:26:45 +0000, tony sayer <to...@bancom.co.uk>
wrote:

The classic set for modification was the Bush TV53. I got a good BBC2
picture on one but IIRC never tackled the sound.

Later on I put a Teletext card in a 17in Thorn 8000. The first time I
used it I thought CEEFAX had a problem because the newsflash page said
the Pope had died, when everybody knew he had died a few weeks
earlier.

Later still I put a NICAM card in a no name 14in B&W portable.

--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

[Bill Wright]

Yes, there's bound to be Gp Bs because that was the group we used most.
If there's enough interest I'll go round there and drag them out of the
loft.

Bill

[Bill Wright]

geoff wrote:

> Is that where they paint the top third of the picture blue and the
> bottom third green and call it colour TV?
>

Round here they point the top grey and the bottom mud-coloured.

Bill

[Graham.]

Leave it out Rodney, these come with a written Provence.

--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

[John Rumm]

Na that was Space Invaders (~1977)

--
Cheers,

John.

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[Steve Terry]

Have you ever seen a Jaybeam MBM88?
I used to use one on 70Cm Amateur radio, it must have been 15 foot long!
and I think it had a genuine 22dbi gain

A group "A" must be over 10 feet long.

Serious serious aerial i can't think of none better, except 4 of them
stacked
(which is what EME users favour on 70Cm)

[Jules Richardson]

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:26:01 +0000, Andrew May wrote:
> Well it might help if you said where they were.

They're in Bill's loft, 16 miles from where Bill is. HTH etc.

[Jules Richardson]

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 20:01:59 +0000, Huge wrote:
>> Yeabut these are somewhat "historic" and new boxed, got to be worth a
>> few bob?...
>

> Yep. A few bob. 25p.

That's more like several millibob, surely?

[Paul Cummins]

We were about to embark at Dover, when jules.richa...@gmail.com
(Jules Richardson) came up to me and whispered:

> That's more like several millibob, surely?

Nope, 25p is five bob.

--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981
IF you think this http://bit.ly/u5EP3p is cruel
please sign this http://bit.ly/sKkzEx

---- If it's below this line, I didn't write it ----

[Bill Wright]

Steve Terry wrote:

> A group "A" must be over 10 feet long.
>
> Serious serious aerial i can't think of none better, except 4 of them
> stacked
> (which is what EME users favour on 70Cm)

There used to be a WMC in Rotherham that had four stacked MBM46s. It was
the wonder of the age.

Here's an XG21
http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/aerialphotography/modern/031.shtml

Here's four stacked high gain aerials:
http://www.wrightsaerials.tv/aerialphotography/aerialingus/022.shtml

Bill

[Bill Wright]

Paul Cummins wrote:
> We were about to embark at Dover, when jules.richa...@gmail.com
> (Jules Richardson) came up to me and whispered:
>
>> That's more like several millibob, surely?
>
> Nope, 25p is five bob.
>

When I was a child it was a lot of money. The local paedophile only used
to pay half a crown.

Bill

[Paul Cummins]

We were about to embark at Dover, when bi...@invalid.com (Bill Wright)

came up to me and whispered:

> When I was a child it was a lot of money. The local paedophile
> only used to pay half a crown.

I was born more than 9 months after D-day 1971, yet still had the value
of the Shilling drilled into me.

[John Williamson]

Huge wrote:

> 1 bob = 5 p.
>
>
Purchasing power of 5P now is less than the 1d at decimalisation.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[Ian Jackson]

In message <memo.2012110...@postmaster.local.domain>, Paul
Cummins <uset...@stedtelephone.invalid> writes

>We were about to embark at Dover, when jules.richa...@gmail.com
>(Jules Richardson) came up to me and whispered:
>
>> That's more like several millibob, surely?
>
>Nope, 25p is five bob.
>

Or 5000mbob - which is certainly 'several'.
--
Ian

[mikeos]

On 08/11/2012 15:12, Bill Wright wrote:
> Andrew May wrote:
>> On 08/11/2012 01:43, Bill Wright wrote:
>>> Graham. wrote:
>>>
>>>> So much so that I took some 35mm shots of the Apollo 11 mission off
>>>> the screen of our 23in dual-standard Bush on 405, when the same
>>>> programme was also available on 625.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Look guys this is all vastly amusing but does anyone want these fucking
>>> aerials?
>>>
>>> Bill
>> Well it might help if you said where they were. It could be a long
>> journey to collect a 15 quid aerial.
> There's an assortment of XG14s, XG21s, MBM48s, MBM70s, MBM88s, various
> groups. They are in the loft and hard to get at so I thought I'd see if
> there was any interest before I went to have a look. It's 16 miles from
> here as well.
>

> Bill

Be charitable, offer them of Freecycle

[The Other Mike]

Have you got a verifiable source for that info?


--

[Andy Burns]

The Other Mike wrote:

> John Williamson <johnwil...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Purchasing power of 5P now is less than the 1d at decimalisation.
>
> Have you got a verifiable source for that info?

Not quite ....

http://www.whatsthecost.com/cpi.aspx

which claims that 1/240th of £1 in 1971 is now worth 4p

[Andy Burns]

mikeos wrote:

> Be charitable, offer them of Freecycle

Then some oik will snaffle them, they'll be erected where they're out of
band, dismissed as "old rubbish" and binned.

[Halmyre]

On Nov 8, 6:59 pm, Owain <spuorgelg...@gowanhill.com> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 3:10 pm, Bill Wright wrote:
>
> > > Are they digital?
> > I knew someone would ask that. OK, I admit it, they are for three black
> > and white analogue channels? You've caught me out. Satisfied?
>
> I sent my 10" b/w telly for recycling yesterday, so I'd need colour
> aerials now.
>

Or you could use three B&W aerials, appropriately painted, for the R,
G and B information. But you need the special paint, of which I am the
sole supplier.

--
Halmyre

[The Other Mike]

On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 03:31:32 -0800 (PST), Halmyre <flashgord...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Didn't they used to colour code aerials (with stickers on the terminal box) for
their respective groups?


--

[Paul Cummins]

We were about to embark at Dover, when

ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk (Ian Jackson) came up to me and
whispered:

> Or 5000mbob - which is certainly 'several'.

No, 5000 is more than several... It's closer to "fuck me, that's a lot"

[Owain]

On Nov 9, 11:31 am, Halmyre wrote:
> But you need the special paint, of which I am the
> sole supplier.

Is it available pre-dried? My time is valuable and if you offered pre-
dried paint that would be really useful.

Owain

[Dave Liquorice]

They are big aerials, some oik will snaffle 'em and weight them in. 50p
to £1/kg?

--
Cheers
Dave.

[Bill Wright]

mikeos wrote:

> Be charitable, offer them of Freecycle

They aren't suitable for for the ignorati.

Bill

[Bill Wright]

On D Day I was earning £13 a week as a schoolteacher.

Bill

[Jonathan]

On Nov 9, 2:12 pm, Bill Wright <b...@invalid.com> wrote:
> The Other Mike wrote:
> > On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 08:35:27 +0000, John Williamson
> > <johnwilliam...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >> Huge wrote:

> >>> On 2012-11-08, Jules Richardson <jules.richardsonnews...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 20:01:59 +0000, Huge wrote:
> >>>>>> Yeabut these are somewhat "historic" and new boxed, got to be worth a
> >>>>>> few bob?...
> >>>>> Yep. A few bob. 25p.
> >>>> That's more like several millibob, surely?
> >>> 1 bob = 5 p.
>
> >> Purchasing power of 5P now is less than the 1d at decimalisation.
>
> > Have you got a verifiable source for that info?
>
> On D Day I was earning £13 a week as a schoolteacher.
>
> Bill

My first job in 1976 winding transformer coils I earned £12 a week.

Jonathan

[Graham.]

On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 01:20 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
uset...@stedtelephone.invalid (Paul Cummins) wrote:

>We were about to embark at Dover, when bi...@invalid.com (Bill Wright)
>came up to me and whispered:
>
>> When I was a child it was a lot of money. The local paedophile
>> only used to pay half a crown.
>
>I was born more than 9 months after D-day 1971, yet still had the value
>of the Shilling drilled into me.

You have impeccable timing in many things ;-)


--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

[Halmyre]

Yes, it comes in pre-dried sheets which you can glue on with my
proprietary quick-drying* glue. Bit more expensive of course, but
that's nothing to a mug^H^H^H man such as yourself.

(* - requires special heat lamp, batteries not included)

Get-a your tootsie-frootsie ice cream...

--
Halmyre

[Tim Lamb]

In message <k7j2rp$cua$1...@speranza.aioe.org>, Bill Wright
<bi...@invalid.com> writes

I was getting about £21 as an engineer.

--
Tim Lamb

[Phil Cook]

On 08/11/2012 20:51, Bill Wright wrote:
> tony sayer wrote:
>> In article <k7f2ot$p9b$2...@speranza.aioe.org>, Bill Wright
>> <bi...@invalid.com> scribeth thus

>>> Look guys this is all vastly amusing but does anyone want these fucking
>>> aerials?
>>>
>>> Bill
>>

>> Wouldn't mind one of the Jaybeam parabeam ones perhaps, for group B if
>> you have one?..

> Yes, there's bound to be Gp Bs because that was the group we used most.
> If there's enough interest I'll go round there and drag them out of the
> loft.

Bill, go round there and make a list of what there is. Can you do that
without de-lofting the lot of em?
--
Phil Cook

[Roderick Stewart]

In article <uvUIFyE1...@bancom.co.uk>, Tony sayer wrote:
> When I started work at PYE TVT I first saw what 625 line could do!,
> amazed at how good it was but of course with the Neg going modulation it
> did seem less vibrant than what the Pos 405 line did but the detail was
> astounding for those times!.

Until they added colour of course. For some years during the introduction
of colour, my TV was a Rank Cintel monochrome studio monitor connected to
a home-built tuner, and the detail was noticeably better when there was no
colour. Some black and white movies looked superb on this setup, and never
as good again on any colour display I've used since.

Rod.
--

[Bill Wright]

Three years earlier I was earning twice what my teaching pay was to be,
as a stop-go man on the A18. It was six and threpence ha'penney an hour,
time an' 'arf after ten hours, and we worked 6.30 to 7.30 every day
except Sunday.

Bill

[Bill Wright]

Phil Cook wrote:

>
> Bill, go round there and make a list of what there is. Can you do that
> without de-lofting the lot of em?

Just about. The loft is clean but awkward. Idea! I'll get Paul to do it,
tell him he can have a cut (the size of which I will not disclose to him).

Bill

[The Other Mike]

On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:51:27 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk>
wrote:

Thanks. Not sure how they measured RPI before Mars Bars appeared :)


--

[geoff]

In message <k7hffd$nph$4...@dont-email.me>, Jules Richardson
<jules.richa...@gmail.com> writes

>On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:26:01 +0000, Andrew May wrote:
>> Well it might help if you said where they were.
>

>They're in Bill's loft, 16 miles from where Bill is. HTH etc.
>
Thjats a pretty massive dwelling ...

--
geoff

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 20:25:11 +0000, Graham. <m...@privacy.net.invalid>
wrote:

>And mobile phones are rubbish, I was at the checkouts in Tescos and
>tried to ring SWMBO, it said no signal, but she was onlt in fruit &
>veg.

You could have got through on the banana.

[m...@privacy.net]

On 8 Nov,

Owain <spuorg...@gowanhill.com> wrote:

> On Nov 8, 3:10 pm, Bill Wright wrote:
> > > Are they digital?
> > I knew someone would ask that. OK, I admit it, they are for three black
> > and white analogue channels? You've caught me out. Satisfied?
>
> I sent my 10" b/w telly for recycling yesterday, so I'd need colour
> aerials now.
>

The TC18s will be colour. The TC stood for truecolour.

I installed one (used but VGC) outside last year, it was bought for my father
(and loft mounted) in 1971ish. It gets all the required digital muxes in
color and even has an inverse(pat.) balun.


--
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[m...@privacy.net]

On 8 Nov,
Graham. <m...@privacy.net.invalid> wrote:

> The classic set for modification was the Bush TV53. I got a good BBC2
> picture on one but IIRC never tackled the sound.
>
I modified a TV56 (17" version of the TV53) but ended up fitting a
transistorised dual standard IF strip and tuner. It served me well until I
invested in colour.

[m...@privacy.net]

On 9 Nov,

Well a house that I could have bought in 1971 for £1,800 is now worht bout
£200,000.

That makes the whole £1 of 1971 now worth about 2.4d

[polygonum]

On 10/11/2012 09:52, brightside S9 wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:51:27 +0000, Andy Burns
> <usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote:
>

> Does that mean I can trade in my 3d bits for 12 p apiece?
> Who's doing the deal?
>
Silver or brass?

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[Max Demian]

<m...@privacy.net> wrote in message news:52EC35EC4B%brian...@lycos.co.uk...

> On 9 Nov,
> Andy Burns <usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote:
>> The Other Mike wrote:
>> > John Williamson <johnwil...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Purchasing power of 5P now is less than the 1d at decimalisation.
>> >
>> > Have you got a verifiable source for that info?
>>
>> Not quite ....
>>
>> http://www.whatsthecost.com/cpi.aspx
>>
>> which claims that 1/240th of £1 in 1971 is now worth 4p
>>
> Well a house that I could have bought in 1971 for £1,800 is now worht bout
> £200,000.

Must have been a ruin with no roof.

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[Bill Wright]

m...@privacy.net wrote:

> Well a house that I could have bought in 1971 for £1,800 is now worht bout
> £200,000.
>
> That makes the whole £1 of 1971 now worth about 2.4d
>

A house I bought in 1971 for £2,600 (Regent Grove, Doncaster) has just
gone on the market for £120,000.

Bill

[John Rumm]

They still do. Often the colour of the plastic end plug on the boom will
tell you.


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[John Rumm]

On 09/11/2012 10:51, Andy Burns wrote:
> The Other Mike wrote:
>
>> John Williamson <johnwil...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Purchasing power of 5P now is less than the 1d at decimalisation.
>>
>> Have you got a verifiable source for that info?
>
> Not quite ....
>
> http://www.whatsthecost.com/cpi.aspx
>
> which claims that 1/240th of £1 in 1971 is now worth 4p

This one gets 5p:

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1633409/Historic-inflation-calculator-value-money-changed-1900.html

[Graham.]

I don't doubt that the definition was better than a domestic TV but
IMHO the thing that would have set the studio monitor apart from a TV
is it's ability to maintain a proper black level.

I can only think of one mono TV that I dealt with regularly that gave
a reasonable account of itself in that respect, and it was a Decca,
chassis number long forgotten.

Most other mono sets made little or no effort in providing black level
clamping or simple DC restoration, and the mean-level AGC system often
used also conspired to the same end.



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[charles]

In article <cg7t985cs44drs3nk...@4ax.com>, Graham.

when I bought my first dual standard set (1964), I went to the Radio Show
and specifically asked about a black level clamp at the various stands. I
bought an Ekco - there was someone on the stand who knew what I was talking
aabout ;-)

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[tony sayer]

>> I don't doubt that the definition was better than a domestic TV but IMHO
>> the thing that would have set the studio monitor apart from a TV is it's
>> ability to maintain a proper black level.
>
>> I can only think of one mono TV that I dealt with regularly that gave a
>> reasonable account of itself in that respect, and it was a Decca, chassis
>> number long forgotten.
>
>> Most other mono sets made little or no effort in providing black level
>> clamping or simple DC restoration, and the mean-level AGC system often
>> used also conspired to the same end.
>
>when I bought my first dual standard set (1964), I went to the Radio Show
>and specifically asked about a black level clamp at the various stands. I
>bought an Ekco - there was someone on the stand who knew what I was talking
>aabout ;-)
>

Wasn't it Prince Philip who went to a TV factory and said that "this
black level clamp thingamabob" wanted tightening?...
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[Max Demian]

"tony sayer" <to...@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message
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I think he asked someone to fix his DVD player.

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[Roderick Stewart]

In article <cg7t985cs44drs3nk...@4ax.com>, Graham. wrote:
> >> When I started work at PYE TVT I first saw what 625 line could do!,
> >> amazed at how good it was but of course with the Neg going modulation it
> >> did seem less vibrant than what the Pos 405 line did but the detail was
> >> astounding for those times!.
> >
> >Until they added colour of course. For some years during the introduction
> >of colour, my TV was a Rank Cintel monochrome studio monitor connected to
> >a home-built tuner, and the detail was noticeably better when there was no
> >colour. Some black and white movies looked superb on this setup, and never
> >as good again on any colour display I've used since.
> >
> >Rod.
>
> I don't doubt that the definition was better than a domestic TV but
> IMHO the thing that would have set the studio monitor apart from a TV
> is it's ability to maintain a proper black level.
>
> I can only think of one mono TV that I dealt with regularly that gave
> a reasonable account of itself in that respect, and it was a Decca,
> chassis number long forgotten.
>
> Most other mono sets made little or no effort in providing black level
> clamping or simple DC restoration, and the mean-level AGC system often
> used also conspired to the same end.

*My* black and white TV set (previous to the studio monitor) certainly did
have black level clamp circuitry, because I put it there. Nevertheless the
fine detail wasn't quite as good as the studio monitor, which I assumed was
something to do with the difficulty of obtaining good beam focus on a wider
deflection tube. My external tuner may also have had a better HF response.

Rod.
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[Ian Jackson]

In message <VA.00000de...@escapetime.removethisbit.myzen.co.uk>,
Roderick Stewart <rj...@escapetime.removethisbit.myzen.co.uk> writes

Around 1966/7, the Wireless World carried an article for fitting a very
simple DIY add-on black level clamp to B&W valve TV sets. It worked
fairly well in my Ferguson 3000 (although the black did still change a
bit). It didn't fix the problems of contrast expansion/contraction (it
wasn't intended to), but it certainly made viewing a lot more
pleasurable.

I have some circuits of American TV sets of the 1950s. With their
negative video modulation and positive syncs, it should have been
relatively easy to have peak level AGC, and to use directly coupled
video drive to the cathode of CRT (and thus maintain proper black and
contrast levels). However, they all seemed to use the horrible
mean-level AGC and AC coupling so beloved of the designers of UK TV
sets.
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Ian

[Peter]

On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 14:09:57 +0000, Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com>
wrote:

>The Other Mike wrote:
>> On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 08:35:27 +0000, John Williamson
>> <johnwil...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Huge wrote:
>>>> On 2012-11-08, Jules Richardson <jules.richa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 20:01:59 +0000, Huge wrote:
>>>>>>> Yeabut these are somewhat "historic" and new boxed, got to be worth a
>>>>>>> few bob?...
>>>>>> Yep. A few bob. 25p.
>>>>> That's more like several millibob, surely?
>>>> 1 bob = 5 p.
>>>>
>>>>

>>> Purchasing power of 5P now is less than the 1d at decimalisation.
>>
>> Have you got a verifiable source for that info?
>>
>>

>On D Day I was earning �13 a week as a schoolteacher.
>

June 6th 1944?
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[John Rumm]

Bill must have worn very well for his age ;-)