Disabling Unused Analogue TV Tuners - Samsung
Adrian C
LE32B450). Nice picture.
I've noticed a little problem with it's builtin tuner setup.
It has both analogue and digitial tuners arranged so that if ye press
"1" for BBC1 you first get the digital (DTV) BBC service, and then if ye
press "1" a second time, you get the analogue (ATV) BBC service.
Sometimes it's showing ATV first, and then DTV. I couldn't stay long
enough to work out the exact finite state diagram of button events, but
what is evident is that this TV is going to spend most of its life
forever switching between DTV and ATV.
I tried purposely detuning all the ATV channels only to have them
replaced with 'snow' noise. Not a great experience for the user to
occasionally view, looks like the set or aerial is broken...
And then of course, after DSO (here, London 2012), there will be noise
on _all_ ATV channels and the user is regulary going to see this when
directly punching in channel numbers.
So I phoned up Samsung. Nice switched-on Romanian lady answered ...
Me. "Can I disable the analogue tuner? I don't need it."
Her. "No"
Me. "Why not?"
Her. "We provide it for compatibility with equipment like VCR's and CCTV"
Me. "Workaround?"
Her. "Get them to select a digital channel, then use the channel list
menu and use the up/down buttons to choose, and the middle button to
select."
Me. "Ahh... That's soooo slow :-("
I don't think this has been thought out correctly :-(
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Ivan
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I was only thinking this the day Adrian, it would be a very simple matter
for manufacturers to incorporate a facility into the main menu which simply
allows the viewer to completely disable the receivers analogue function
altogether.. I mean is not as if they weren't aware that it was soon to
become completely redundant.
I had a phone call from an elderly friend the other day (who has a similar
Philips LCD TV to my own) complaining that he could only receive snowy TV
channels, which was quickly resolved after I had explained about the D/A
button on the remote control, which he had obviously accidentally pressed.
Also, I have an older LCD telly in my den, which although HD compatible only
has an analogue tuner, it's is connected to a HD Freesat receiver via HDMI,
which unlike the SCART Inputs doesn't automatically kick in when I switch on
the STB, this means having to enter a 'Source' menu on the TV remote every
time I switch on and then select the HDMI input, otherwise I'm just left
with a default analogue screen full of snow, easy enough for me, but because
of the lack of a little bit of straightforward thinking on the part of the
manufacturers, an added and unnecessary amount of hassle and confusion for
the elderly and technophobes.
R. Mark Clayton
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Adrian C
> Retune it - it should then forget your analog channels.
Er, Nope. Even though there are seperate options for tuning digital and
analogue services, the ATV/DTV issue still exists.
Doesn't make it forget it has an analogue tuner!
I've even tried pulling the aerial lead out and auto retuning just the
analogue services. At the end of that, it proudly mentions found 'zero'
channels - and proceeds to show snow for each of the now unintialised
ATV channel slot (presumably UHF channel 21).
Anyway, the issue is a moot point as they will probably be getting a PVR
sometime, and with use of those the whole TV tuner is redundant anyway.
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Ian
<em...@here.invalid> writes
that annoyance disappeared.
Note that I deleted, not de-tuned.
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Adrian C
> It was the same on my LG, so I deleted all the analogue channels, and
> that annoyance disappeared.
>
> Note that I deleted, not de-tuned.
Couldn't see a way of deleting them!
OK, could be me having a bad day trying to stop a couple tearing shreds
out of each other because neither of them could master changing channel,
the elderly fellow was getting a bit upset over the new teletext
service, and the lady was demanding that her mastery of the video
recorder still worked as before.
So, after me gazing at the gibberish samsung manual and ignoring their
drinks cabinet, I sought comfort in the nice lady on the helpline and
she agreed with my plight. Though she could have misunderstood my
misunderstandings.
However, if someone else has got one of these (popular) sets - Samsung
LE32B450, could they check? Thanks :-)
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MartinR
It is a very popular set and rightly so, getting good reviews and at a
knockdown price (c£300). My 90-year-old mother had it before going
into a nursing home and I was always turning it back to DTV when I
visited her. She had strong analogue signal in her sheltered flat and
was unable to see that the lack of subtitles and the very fat people
meant that she had stretched 4:3 picture on analogue.
However, she had a digibox feeding a CRT TV before and that caused all
sorts of problems with her mixing up the remotes.
MartinR
Geo
<snip>
>
>So I phoned up Samsung. Nice switched-on Romanian lady answered ...
>
>Me. "Can I disable the analogue tuner? I don't need it."
>
>Her. "No"
>
>Me. "Why not?"
>
>Her. "We provide it for compatibility with equipment like VCR's and CCTV"
>
>Me. "Workaround?"
>
>Her. "Get them to select a digital channel, then use the channel list
>menu and use the up/down buttons to choose, and the middle button to
>select."
>
>Me. "Ahh... That's soooo slow :-("
>
>I don't think this has been thought out correctly :-(
Google says it has been a problem for some time and no solution - maybe they
will come out with a firmware version that will switch it off.
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Doctor D
"Adrian C" <em...@here.invalid> wrote in message
> On 25/02/2010 14:24, Ian wrote:
>
>> It was the same on my LG, so I deleted all the analogue channels, and
>> that annoyance disappeared.
>>
>> Note that I deleted, not de-tuned.
>
> Couldn't see a way of deleting them!
>
> OK, could be me having a bad day trying to stop a couple tearing shreds
> out of each other because neither of them could master changing channel,
> the elderly fellow was getting a bit upset over the new teletext service,
> and the lady was demanding that her mastery of the video recorder still
> worked as before.
You have my sympathy. This is the scenario I face every time I visit my in
laws.
They have Sky in the main lounge which also feeds via RF2 to "the snug"
where a 32" LCD receives it on preset 6, the lounge DVD recorder on preset 7
and the lounge VCR on preset 8.
My mother in law can change between Freeview and analogue for the in-house
stuff, but father in law can't at all.
He also insists on watching analogue teletext. The rows it leads to when she
uses Freeview have to be seen to be believed! Roll on DSO.
Bigguy
up the RF input with it; this should stop the 'snow'.
Some TVs allow you to delete analogue channels from the list; delete the
lot...
It would be nice if you could disable the analogue tuner in firmware ;-)
G
Brian Gaff
analogue tv all over the place in the same way we see the fm band foll of
them now.
Brian
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Dave Plowman (News)
Ivan <ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Also, I have an older LCD telly in my den, which although HD compatible
> only has an analogue tuner, it's is connected to a HD Freesat receiver
> via HDMI, which unlike the SCART Inputs doesn't automatically kick in
> when I switch on the STB, this means having to enter a 'Source' menu on
> the TV remote every time I switch on and then select the HDMI input,
> otherwise I'm just left with a default analogue screen full of snow,
> easy enough for me, but because of the lack of a little bit of
> straightforward thinking on the part of the manufacturers, an added and
> unnecessary amount of hassle and confusion for the elderly and
> technophobes.
Yes - the HDMI input on my telly is the only one - out of thousands ;-) -
it doesn't auto sense. It's also right at the opposite end of the menu
from my most used input and I'm wearing out my finger. ;-)
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Brian Gaff <bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Reading all this makes me wonder how long it will be before we see
> pirate analogue tv all over the place in the same way we see the fm
> band foll of them now.
Given most commercial stations are losing money, I doubt it. ;-)
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tony sayer
>> menu and use the up/down buttons to choose, and the middle button to
>> select."
>>
>> Me. "Ahh... That's soooo slow :-("
>>
>> I don't think this has been thought out correctly :-(
>>
>Solder a 75R resistor (or a dead short) across a BL aerial plug and bung
>up the RF input with it; this should stop the 'snow'.
Just -how- does it stop that then?....
>
>Some TVs allow you to delete analogue channels from the list; delete the
>lot...
>
>It would be nice if you could disable the analogue tuner in firmware ;-)
>
>G
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tony sayer
>Reading all this makes me wonder how long it will be before we see pirate
>analogue tv all over the place in the same way we see the fm band foll of
>them now.
>
>Brian
>
Practicalities Brian..
TX power and aerial heights required for a start. And as people have
directional receive aerials they've got to be located in the -right-
places..
And as most all can't tune their telly's anyway thats that to consider..
VHF/FM Radio is so much simpler. Thats why they do it...
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Ivan
"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <d0uhn.44568$Ym4....@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
> Ivan <ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Also, I have an older LCD telly in my den, which although HD compatible
>> only has an analogue tuner, it's is connected to a HD Freesat receiver
>> via HDMI, which unlike the SCART Inputs doesn't automatically kick in
>> when I switch on the STB, this means having to enter a 'Source' menu on
>> the TV remote every time I switch on and then select the HDMI input,
>> otherwise I'm just left with a default analogue screen full of snow,
>> easy enough for me, but because of the lack of a little bit of
>> straightforward thinking on the part of the manufacturers, an added and
>> unnecessary amount of hassle and confusion for the elderly and
>> technophobes.
>
> Yes - the HDMI input on my telly is the only one - out of thousands ;-) -
> it doesn't auto sense. It's also right at the opposite end of the menu
> from my most used input and I'm wearing out my finger. ;-)
>
>
The same with my TV, out of about eight different inputs the 'TV' is at the
top of the list and the 'HDMI' one is at the bottom, although by switching
backwards it does it in one go.
A few months ago I had to set up a cheap (Argos special) LCD TV for an
elderly relative, in this case the only external input required was for a
DVD which caused confusion when selecting the correct input, out of the
choice of several, the problem was easily solved however, because despite
its low cost, it was possible to (individually) disable all of the
un-required inputs in the main menu, which then left him with the choice of
a single click for the DVD or inbuilt Freeview TV, why can't they all be
like that?
Another sensible design from years ago, in the early days of SCART, was a
Hitachi TV which boasted the very sensible function of being able to assign
RGB or Composite input from the SCART to any TV channel number on the remote
control, which meant that say a Freeview box, could be properly operated in
RGB mode, merely by pressing a button of choice i.e. programme six.
Mike
Just for info I don't have this problem with my Samsung Plasma. To get
to Analogue Channels I have to hit DTV on the remote and it switched
between tuners then.
Tim
> Ivan <ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Also, I have an older LCD telly in my den, which although HD compatible
>> only has an analogue tuner, it's is connected to a HD Freesat receiver
>> via HDMI, which unlike the SCART Inputs doesn't automatically kick in
>> when I switch on the STB, this means having to enter a 'Source' menu on
>> the TV remote every time I switch on and then select the HDMI input,
>> otherwise I'm just left with a default analogue screen full of snow,
>> easy enough for me, but because of the lack of a little bit of
>> straightforward thinking on the part of the manufacturers, an added and
>> unnecessary amount of hassle and confusion for the elderly and
>> technophobes.
>
> Yes - the HDMI input on my telly is the only one - out of thousands ;-) -
> it doesn't auto sense. It's also right at the opposite end of the menu
> from my most used input and I'm wearing out my finger. ;-)
I had this problem with my Panasonic until I discovered that through the
setup it's possible to hide all the unused inputs. Any chance it might be
possible on yours?
Tim
wrights...@f2s.com
> >> Her. "Get them to select a digital channel, then use the channel list
> >> menu and use the up/down buttons to choose, and the middle button to
> >> select."
>
> >> Me. "Ahh... That's soooo slow :-("
>
> >> I don't think this has been thought out correctly :-(
>
> >Solder a 75R resistor (or a dead short) across a BL aerial plug and bung
> >up the RF input with it; this should stop the 'snow'.
>
> Just -how- does it stop that then?....
>
He's joking. Isn't he? Now I'm not so sure.
Bill
Dave Plowman (News)
Tim <timdow...@obvious.yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > Yes - the HDMI input on my telly is the only one - out of thousands
> > ;-) - it doesn't auto sense. It's also right at the opposite end of
> > the menu from my most used input and I'm wearing out my finger. ;-)
> I had this problem with my Panasonic until I discovered that through the
> setup it's possible to hide all the unused inputs. Any chance it might
> be possible on yours?
Most of them are used, though.
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Adrian C
> Another sensible design from years ago, in the early days of SCART, was
> a Hitachi TV which boasted the very sensible function of being able to
> assign RGB or Composite input from the SCART to any TV channel number on
> the remote control, which meant that say a Freeview box, could be
> properly operated in RGB mode, merely by pressing a button of choice
> i.e. programme six.
My Sony CRT does that. But more recent ones don't :-)
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Paul Ratcliffe
No, I think he's just clueless. A 75R resistor generates noise due to its
temperature. Likewise the front end of the tuner. The noise is not just
generated out of the sky like he seems to be implying. In fact, most of
it does not come out of the sky.
Grimly Curmudgeon
drugs began to take hold. I remember Adrian C <em...@here.invalid>
saying something like:
>Friends have just bought a new Samsung LCD television. (Series 4,
>LE32B450). Nice picture.
>
>I've noticed a little problem with it's builtin tuner setup.
This gives me some concern, since this is the model I've got.
Idly passing thought occurs that I will probably be able to add digital
channels to the 'Favourites' group and use only that for digituning.
Always assuming that RTE et al adopt a compatible digisetup. If not,
it'll be a STB like everyone else.
radu.cos...@gmail.com
When scaning, at first setup deselect analog. Default is selected digital+analog.
After that it scans only digital.
Brian Gaff
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>> On 15/03/18 21:49, radu.cos...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Solved it.
>>> When scaning, at first setup deselect analog. Default is selected digital+analog.
>>> After that it scans only digital.
>>>
This is a bit funny. I actually had the same tuning issue with a Samsung
TV set, and ended up calling their support line.
Spoke to a charming lady who was completely on the ball, obviously geek
technical (desirable), and er, could I have, a'hem *blush*
Asked where she was located.
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