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Pamela
Feb 8, 2022, 10:35:25 AM2/8/22
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Some radio stations, such as LBC, put old programmes as a podcast.
These can be streamed from various podcast outlets with apps like
Spotify, Pocket Casts, Amazon Music, Apple Podcasts, etc.
Where do the podcast outlets obtain their podcasts from? Is there a
central clearing place which a podcaster like LBC uploads its podcast
to and then the streaming companies take a copy? Alternatively, does
LBC upload to each individual podcast streaming outlet separately?
Do the competing "big player" podcast outlets have broadly similar
catalogues or would a listener need several different apps to track
down a particular podcast?
These can be streamed from various podcast outlets with apps like
Spotify, Pocket Casts, Amazon Music, Apple Podcasts, etc.
Where do the podcast outlets obtain their podcasts from? Is there a
central clearing place which a podcaster like LBC uploads its podcast
to and then the streaming companies take a copy? Alternatively, does
LBC upload to each individual podcast streaming outlet separately?
Do the competing "big player" podcast outlets have broadly similar
catalogues or would a listener need several different apps to track
down a particular podcast?
Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Feb 9, 2022, 2:45:35 AM2/9/22
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It used to be so simple. You put up your file then did an rss link to it and
sent it to google, or had feedburner look at the rss and keep a master list.
Then Goggle withdrew the service and the whole thing became a mess. Apple
tend to do a directory, but they prefer it in their format, not rss and that
enables them to use DRM.
Now the big players all tend to have a chargeable podcast tier and even
attach adverts to the free stuff to make money. Now I know that everyone has
to fund a bit of web space, bandwidth etc, but it is beginning to look like
the one man band podcast days are numbered now. I tend these days to say,
if its not got an rss feed then get stuffed.
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sent it to google, or had feedburner look at the rss and keep a master list.
Then Goggle withdrew the service and the whole thing became a mess. Apple
tend to do a directory, but they prefer it in their format, not rss and that
enables them to use DRM.
Now the big players all tend to have a chargeable podcast tier and even
attach adverts to the free stuff to make money. Now I know that everyone has
to fund a bit of web space, bandwidth etc, but it is beginning to look like
the one man band podcast days are numbered now. I tend these days to say,
if its not got an rss feed then get stuffed.
Brian
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Pamela
Feb 9, 2022, 6:20:04 AM2/9/22
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On 07:45 9 Feb 2022, Brian Gaff (Sofa) said:
>
> It used to be so simple. You put up your file then did an rss link to
> it and sent it to google, or had feedburner look at the rss and keep
> a master list. Then Goggle withdrew the service and the whole thing
> became a mess. Apple tend to do a directory, but they prefer it in
> their format, not rss and that enables them to use DRM.
>
> Now the big players all tend to have a chargeable podcast tier and
> even attach adverts to the free stuff to make money. Now I know that
> everyone has to fund a bit of web space, bandwidth etc, but it is
> beginning to look like the one man band podcast days are numbered
> now. I tend these days to say, if its not got an rss feed then get
> stuffed.
> Brian
Thanks for the info. I hadn't realised Google had run that service. I'd
>
> It used to be so simple. You put up your file then did an rss link to
> it and sent it to google, or had feedburner look at the rss and keep
> a master list. Then Goggle withdrew the service and the whole thing
> became a mess. Apple tend to do a directory, but they prefer it in
> their format, not rss and that enables them to use DRM.
>
> Now the big players all tend to have a chargeable podcast tier and
> even attach adverts to the free stuff to make money. Now I know that
> everyone has to fund a bit of web space, bandwidth etc, but it is
> beginning to look like the one man band podcast days are numbered
> now. I tend these days to say, if its not got an rss feed then get
> stuffed.
> Brian
been looking at how the how the podcasting industry works in the present
(distribution, lack of royalties, catalogues, main players, etc) but the
history seems important. Wikipedia has an entry on this.
Max Demian
Feb 9, 2022, 6:55:46 AM2/9/22
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On 09/02/2022 07:45, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> It used to be so simple. You put up your file then did an rss link to it and
> sent it to google, or had feedburner look at the rss and keep a master list.
> Then Goggle withdrew the service and the whole thing became a mess. Apple
> tend to do a directory, but they prefer it in their format, not rss and that
> enables them to use DRM.
> Now the big players all tend to have a chargeable podcast tier and even
> attach adverts to the free stuff to make money. Now I know that everyone has
> to fund a bit of web space, bandwidth etc, but it is beginning to look like
> the one man band podcast days are numbered now. I tend these days to say,
> if its not got an rss feed then get stuffed.
It's quite difficult to find a BBC podcast on the BBC site. (The search
> It used to be so simple. You put up your file then did an rss link to it and
> sent it to google, or had feedburner look at the rss and keep a master list.
> Then Goggle withdrew the service and the whole thing became a mess. Apple
> tend to do a directory, but they prefer it in their format, not rss and that
> enables them to use DRM.
> Now the big players all tend to have a chargeable podcast tier and even
> attach adverts to the free stuff to make money. Now I know that everyone has
> to fund a bit of web space, bandwidth etc, but it is beginning to look like
> the one man band podcast days are numbered now. I tend these days to say,
> if its not got an rss feed then get stuffed.
box searches the whole BBC site.) They keep pushing you to the BBC
Sounds app even if all you want is information about the programme, and
they don't properly distinguish between programmes which are podcasts
and those that aren't. It's also difficult to find the RSS feed address
to put into a third party podcatcher such as Podcast Addict.
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MB
Feb 9, 2022, 7:20:12 AM2/9/22
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On 09/02/2022 11:55, Max Demian wrote:
> It's quite difficult to find a BBC podcast on the BBC site. (The search
> box searches the whole BBC site.) They keep pushing you to the BBC
> Sounds app even if all you want is information about the programme, and
> they don't properly distinguish between programmes which are podcasts
> and those that aren't. It's also difficult to find the RSS feed address
> to put into a third party podcatcher such as Podcast Addict.
That applies to find anything on the BBC website, the search system is
> It's quite difficult to find a BBC podcast on the BBC site. (The search
> box searches the whole BBC site.) They keep pushing you to the BBC
> Sounds app even if all you want is information about the programme, and
> they don't properly distinguish between programmes which are podcasts
> and those that aren't. It's also difficult to find the RSS feed address
> to put into a third party podcatcher such as Podcast Addict.
too crude and difficult to target the search precisely.
Pamela
Feb 9, 2022, 2:51:19 PM2/9/22
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into chunks of 7 or 8 minutes on the Sounds app, while the full programme
is a bit hidden. I seem to recall subscribing to chunks does not also
subscribe you to the full programme.
It's not really as straighforward as I would like especially as the web
site has not one but two pages for such a programme and it offers various
different clips to the Sounds app.
I asked about the two web pages for programmes a couple of weeks ago in
uk.tech.digital-tv. ...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qshd
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p02nrss1
Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Feb 10, 2022, 2:48:37 AM2/10/22
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Yes that is very true. Indeed the one on In Touch is the only one I seem to
be able to find relatively easily, and many so called podcasts are not,
they are simply either files to download or play in an on line
player.Stitcher are a pain as are Spotify.
The rather oddly named ami podcasts, Accessible media inc, is anything but
accessible as you cannot actually find the feed quite often. There is a
podcast on there called Shawn of the shed that is for blind people starting
out on line, and yet actually finding the files in any form you can download
them seems to need a PhD in computer science.
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be able to find relatively easily, and many so called podcasts are not,
they are simply either files to download or play in an on line
player.Stitcher are a pain as are Spotify.
The rather oddly named ami podcasts, Accessible media inc, is anything but
accessible as you cannot actually find the feed quite often. There is a
podcast on there called Shawn of the shed that is for blind people starting
out on line, and yet actually finding the files in any form you can download
them seems to need a PhD in computer science.
Brian
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Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Feb 10, 2022, 2:53:01 AM2/10/22
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I had the opposite issue, I wanted meet the leader on bbc radio London.
Found the file OK it said it ran for 35mins or some such, but after I got it
it was the whole morning show, several hours in length and I had to shove it
into a sound editor and find the bit I needed,cutting the rest out.
Bah humbug.
Found the file OK it said it ran for 35mins or some such, but after I got it
it was the whole morning show, several hours in length and I had to shove it
into a sound editor and find the bit I needed,cutting the rest out.
Bah humbug.
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Feb 10, 2022, 4:12:22 AM2/10/22
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On 07:52 10 Feb 2022, Brian Gaff (Sofa) said:
>
> I had the opposite issue, I wanted meet the leader on bbc radio
> London. Found the file OK it said it ran for 35mins or some such, but
> after I got it it was the whole morning show, several hours in length
> and I had to shove it into a sound editor and find the bit I
> needed,cutting the rest out.
>
> Bah humbug.
> Brian
I don't have the option of downloading the programme audio file because I
>
> I had the opposite issue, I wanted meet the leader on bbc radio
> London. Found the file OK it said it ran for 35mins or some such, but
> after I got it it was the whole morning show, several hours in length
> and I had to shove it into a sound editor and find the bit I
> needed,cutting the rest out.
>
> Bah humbug.
> Brian
listen to the BBC almost exclusively on the Sounds app. This brings up
another difficulty which is its poor navigation through a programme.
For example the time markings on the slider are in very small type, when
the slider is used it doesn't display the time of where you are, the
buttons provided offer only 20 second skips, and more. It would be
relatively straightforward to design a less constrained interface. Similar
screen controls are found in several other music/podcast players which
seems to show a lack of imagination.
However I mustn't look a gift horse in the mouth because streaming BBC
programmes is really useful and I'm grateful for it.
By the way, how do the BBC's servers handle all the demands made by
thousands (if not millions) of listeners starting at different points in
their chosen programme and skipping about. There must be a lot of traffic
to service all the requests. I'm sure caches somewhere along the route
help out but it still seems quite a lot of traffic and the BBC handles it
almost faultlessly.
Jim Lesurf
Feb 10, 2022, 5:18:29 AM2/10/22
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FWIW personally I'd be more attacted to making any such content available
via a suitable AV file people can download and then access. That's easy
enough to set up if you have some space online - or can set up something on
your home system so the file(s) are public without compromising the rest of
your home system/data.
But then I don't want people like YT, google, etc, making money off the
back of my work. Or using it to get the personal data of others.
Sadly, a few big companies have largely monopolised and monitised this sort
of area, in the process being willing to promote crap and disinformation
for their own profit.
That said, I doubt anyone sane would want to watch/hear me in a 'podcast'.
So I cannae be bothered. :-)
Jim
In article <stvret$mmn$1...@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
Electronics https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm
biog http://jcgl.orpheusweb.co.uk/history/ups_and_downs.html
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html
via a suitable AV file people can download and then access. That's easy
enough to set up if you have some space online - or can set up something on
your home system so the file(s) are public without compromising the rest of
your home system/data.
But then I don't want people like YT, google, etc, making money off the
back of my work. Or using it to get the personal data of others.
Sadly, a few big companies have largely monopolised and monitised this sort
of area, in the process being willing to promote crap and disinformation
for their own profit.
That said, I doubt anyone sane would want to watch/hear me in a 'podcast'.
So I cannae be bothered. :-)
Jim
In article <stvret$mmn$1...@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
<bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> It used to be so simple. You put up your file then did an rss link to it
> and sent it to google, or had feedburner look at the rss and keep a
> master list. Then Goggle withdrew the service and the whole thing became
> a mess. Apple tend to do a directory, but they prefer it in their
> format, not rss and that enables them to use DRM. Now the big players
> all tend to have a chargeable podcast tier and even attach adverts to
> the free stuff to make money. Now I know that everyone has to fund a bit
> of web space, bandwidth etc, but it is beginning to look like the one
> man band podcast days are numbered now. I tend these days to say, if
> its not got an rss feed then get stuffed. Brian
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> It used to be so simple. You put up your file then did an rss link to it
> and sent it to google, or had feedburner look at the rss and keep a
> master list. Then Goggle withdrew the service and the whole thing became
> a mess. Apple tend to do a directory, but they prefer it in their
> format, not rss and that enables them to use DRM. Now the big players
> all tend to have a chargeable podcast tier and even attach adverts to
> the free stuff to make money. Now I know that everyone has to fund a bit
> of web space, bandwidth etc, but it is beginning to look like the one
> man band podcast days are numbered now. I tend these days to say, if
> its not got an rss feed then get stuffed. Brian
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Electronics https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm
biog http://jcgl.orpheusweb.co.uk/history/ups_and_downs.html
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html
Jim Lesurf
Feb 10, 2022, 5:46:11 AM2/10/22
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In article <XnsAE3A5D9...@144.76.35.252>, Pamela
I find that get-iplayer works nicely and gives me 320k aac files which may
sound better than lower formats. get-iplayer runs on various OSs. Works for
BBC 'podcast' files as well as sheduled ones.
> For example the time markings on the slider are in very small type, when
> the slider is used it doesn't display the time of where you are, the
> buttons provided offer only 20 second skips, and more. It would be
> relatively straightforward to design a less constrained interface.
> Similar screen controls are found in several other music/podcast
> players which seems to show a lack of imagination.
I just use VLC (or Audacity on Linux for audio). Again, the question is wrt
your choice of device/computer, but VLC runs on various OSs.
> However I mustn't look a gift horse in the mouth because streaming BBC
> programmes is really useful and I'm grateful for it.
> By the way, how do the BBC's servers handle all the demands made by
> thousands (if not millions) of listeners starting at different points in
> their chosen programme and skipping about. There must be a lot of
> traffic to service all the requests. I'm sure caches somewhere along
> the route help out but it still seems quite a lot of traffic and the
> BBC handles it almost faultlessly.
They use some 'content delivery network' (CDN) services that keep copies of
their files in various machines around the country. This means you can have
many servers providing the material. If you wish, get-iplayer will let you
decide which delivery supplier to use (or ignore) if they vary. And the
BBC's own servers can then palm off a lot of the loading to the other CDNs.
Means the system can be scaled up or down by the BBC without the BBC having
to buy more hardware or bin it, or change their own staff involved.
FWIW This may give the general idea
http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/BBC/AudioFactory/AudioFactory.html
but it is now out of date in some ways. Maybe time I did a new version,
however it gives the general idea. Note that 'Flash' is now an unloved
memory we don't regret having cease! It was a PITA.
Jim
<pamela.priv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't have the option of downloading the programme audio file because
> I listen to the BBC almost exclusively on the Sounds app. This brings
> up another difficulty which is its poor navigation through a programme.
What type of 'device'/computer are you using?
> I don't have the option of downloading the programme audio file because
> I listen to the BBC almost exclusively on the Sounds app. This brings
> up another difficulty which is its poor navigation through a programme.
I find that get-iplayer works nicely and gives me 320k aac files which may
sound better than lower formats. get-iplayer runs on various OSs. Works for
BBC 'podcast' files as well as sheduled ones.
> For example the time markings on the slider are in very small type, when
> the slider is used it doesn't display the time of where you are, the
> buttons provided offer only 20 second skips, and more. It would be
> relatively straightforward to design a less constrained interface.
> Similar screen controls are found in several other music/podcast
> players which seems to show a lack of imagination.
your choice of device/computer, but VLC runs on various OSs.
> However I mustn't look a gift horse in the mouth because streaming BBC
> programmes is really useful and I'm grateful for it.
> By the way, how do the BBC's servers handle all the demands made by
> thousands (if not millions) of listeners starting at different points in
> their chosen programme and skipping about. There must be a lot of
> traffic to service all the requests. I'm sure caches somewhere along
> the route help out but it still seems quite a lot of traffic and the
> BBC handles it almost faultlessly.
their files in various machines around the country. This means you can have
many servers providing the material. If you wish, get-iplayer will let you
decide which delivery supplier to use (or ignore) if they vary. And the
BBC's own servers can then palm off a lot of the loading to the other CDNs.
Means the system can be scaled up or down by the BBC without the BBC having
to buy more hardware or bin it, or change their own staff involved.
FWIW This may give the general idea
http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/BBC/AudioFactory/AudioFactory.html
but it is now out of date in some ways. Maybe time I did a new version,
however it gives the general idea. Note that 'Flash' is now an unloved
memory we don't regret having cease! It was a PITA.
Jim
Jim Lesurf
Feb 10, 2022, 5:46:12 AM2/10/22
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In article <XnsAE39C9F...@144.76.35.252>, Pamela
'broadcasts' because they were on the WS while the programme wasn't on R4.
But it is a tad confusing given how many examples there are! Excellent
info, though.
<pamela.priv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To complicate matters, programmes like Radio 4's "More of Less" are
> split into chunks of 7 or 8 minutes on the Sounds app, while the full
> programme is a bit hidden. I seem to recall subscribing to chunks does
> not also subscribe you to the full programme.
The short WS/podcast examples might sometimes contain info not in the R4
> To complicate matters, programmes like Radio 4's "More of Less" are
> split into chunks of 7 or 8 minutes on the Sounds app, while the full
> programme is a bit hidden. I seem to recall subscribing to chunks does
> not also subscribe you to the full programme.
'broadcasts' because they were on the WS while the programme wasn't on R4.
But it is a tad confusing given how many examples there are! Excellent
info, though.
Andy Burns
Feb 10, 2022, 7:57:36 AM2/10/22
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Max Demian wrote:
> It's quite difficult to find a BBC podcast on the BBC site. (The search box
> searches the whole BBC site.) They keep pushing you to the BBC Sounds app
Because the BBC are obsessed with gathering audience statistics, to the point
> It's quite difficult to find a BBC podcast on the BBC site. (The search box
> searches the whole BBC site.) They keep pushing you to the BBC Sounds app
they remove their podcasts from other platforms (likely shrinking the potential
audience).
Max Demian
Feb 10, 2022, 11:49:33 AM2/10/22
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stream/download as it comes from the BBC server. I just need to know
what the address is.
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Feb 11, 2022, 4:59:18 AM2/11/22
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Well, the alexa skill radio player obviously knows what it is, since alexa
ask radio player to play radio Solent starts it without bbc sounds jingle,
but it does have the drawback that some content does not go onto it for
rights reasons, mostly foot ball.
Brian
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ask radio player to play radio Solent starts it without bbc sounds jingle,
but it does have the drawback that some content does not go onto it for
rights reasons, mostly foot ball.
Brian
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Feb 11, 2022, 7:54:10 AM2/11/22
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In article <qNidnYfGI4smNp7_...@brightview.co.uk>, Max
Demian
listening to the version of a recent "Inside Science" that I'd fetched with
get-iplayer. Used the pid from the relevant day's radio schedule page. This
often gets an extended version, presumably as podcast. This time the
programme seemed to start with statement that in future Inside Science
would appear via 'Sounds' *28 days before being broadcast*.
i.e. if you use ye olde radio or - by implication - listen to the version
from the broadcast shedules on the web - you get what was available 28 days
earlier via Zounds! i.e. an enforced delay.
Need to check this, I was making breakfast at the time so may have
misheard. But it seems really weird given that the point of the programme
is to keep listeners up to date with recent developments in science. Bit
like deciding to delay the News broadcasts on TV for a month to push people
to use the net!
Irony is that I tend to run a week or two late in listening to these things
anyway! But if correct it still seems a weird decision driven by an
obsession with pushing Zounds!
Demian
<max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> It's quite difficult to find a BBC podcast on the BBC site. (The search
> box searches the whole BBC site.) They keep pushing you to the BBC
> Sounds app even if all you want is information about the programme, and
> they don't properly distinguish between programmes which are podcasts
> and those that aren't.
I need to listen again in case I misheard. However this morning I was
> It's quite difficult to find a BBC podcast on the BBC site. (The search
> box searches the whole BBC site.) They keep pushing you to the BBC
> Sounds app even if all you want is information about the programme, and
> they don't properly distinguish between programmes which are podcasts
> and those that aren't.
listening to the version of a recent "Inside Science" that I'd fetched with
get-iplayer. Used the pid from the relevant day's radio schedule page. This
often gets an extended version, presumably as podcast. This time the
programme seemed to start with statement that in future Inside Science
would appear via 'Sounds' *28 days before being broadcast*.
i.e. if you use ye olde radio or - by implication - listen to the version
from the broadcast shedules on the web - you get what was available 28 days
earlier via Zounds! i.e. an enforced delay.
Need to check this, I was making breakfast at the time so may have
misheard. But it seems really weird given that the point of the programme
is to keep listeners up to date with recent developments in science. Bit
like deciding to delay the News broadcasts on TV for a month to push people
to use the net!
Irony is that I tend to run a week or two late in listening to these things
anyway! But if correct it still seems a weird decision driven by an
obsession with pushing Zounds!
Pamela
Feb 11, 2022, 8:18:46 AM2/11/22
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for me and the controls for skipping through such a file in VLC (skip
forward or back and goto) aren't that much better compared to the BBC
Sounds App.
I've opted to play BBC Sounds on my Android smartphone carried around the
house. I can call up old BBC radio programmes on Sounds or I can "live
rewind" a live broadcast. Unfortunately I can't feed Android Sounds
output wirelessly into the wi-fi speakers, so they get used for playing
live radio in the background.
It's crazy because most rooms I'm in during the day have a Sonos speaker
and also an Amazon Echo speaker and some have the two together, yet I use
the squawky transducer in my Android phone because it provides programme
skip backs and easy selection.
Thanks for the Audio Factory link. I hadn't realised you were HiFi News
aristocracy! The AF seems for input feeds although it involves some
rationalisation of output stream types. You also mentioned a "content
delivery network" service which is probably what I am asking about.
Playing BBC radio through Sounds has remarkably little latency and the
listener can then skip about the programme with little buffering delay.
It's works rather well.
So I'm impressed a CDN can handle so much traffic and in near real-time.
If 100 listeners all started the same audio programme and then each
skipped to a different part of it, there could be 100 times the traffic
unless there is some clever caching going on in the network and, depending
of the exact situation, even that may not reduce total traffic much. There
must be some interesting network balancing going on.
Netflix takes approx 35% of all internet capacity at peak viewing times.
Although data rates for audio are less than a tenth for those of video,
audio traffic must still add up and each skip back is more or less a new
stream. I guess music providers such as Spotify have exactly the same
considerations to make.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Feb 11, 2022, 8:37:20 AM2/11/22
to
On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 13:18:22, Pamela
<pamela.priv...@gmail.com> wrote (my responses usually follow
points raised):
[]
name: people assume they're only for YouTube. I've very rarely found a
webpage with a video on it that it won't fetch, regardless of site.]
>for me and the controls for skipping through such a file in VLC (skip
>forward or back and goto) aren't that much better compared to the BBC
>Sounds App.
Hmm, I find them OK - left, right, and shift-left and shift-right for
smaller jumps. (And IIRR you can set how long those jumps are, but I'
not sure about that.) Out of curiosity, what more do you want of a
player (than back, forward, and goto)?
[]
from some regional cacheing, if that's the case.
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
A biochemist walks into a student bar and says to the barman: "I'd like a pint
of adenosine triphosphate, please." "Certainly," says the barman, "that'll be
ATP." (Quoted in) The Independent, 2013-7-13
<pamela.priv...@gmail.com> wrote (my responses usually follow
points raised):
[]
>Downloading audio or multimedia files with Get-iplayer is a bit too fiddly
Me too; I find youtube-dl (and now yt-dlp) much easier. [Unfortunate
name: people assume they're only for YouTube. I've very rarely found a
webpage with a video on it that it won't fetch, regardless of site.]
>for me and the controls for skipping through such a file in VLC (skip
>forward or back and goto) aren't that much better compared to the BBC
>Sounds App.
smaller jumps. (And IIRR you can set how long those jumps are, but I'
not sure about that.) Out of curiosity, what more do you want of a
player (than back, forward, and goto)?
[]
>So I'm impressed a CDN can handle so much traffic and in near real-time.
>If 100 listeners all started the same audio programme and then each
>skipped to a different part of it, there could be 100 times the traffic
>unless there is some clever caching going on in the network and, depending
>of the exact situation, even that may not reduce total traffic much. There
>must be some interesting network balancing going on.
Indeed!
>If 100 listeners all started the same audio programme and then each
>skipped to a different part of it, there could be 100 times the traffic
>unless there is some clever caching going on in the network and, depending
>of the exact situation, even that may not reduce total traffic much. There
>must be some interesting network balancing going on.
>
>Netflix takes approx 35% of all internet capacity at peak viewing times.
That's quite a startling statistic! You'd think _they_ would benefit
>Netflix takes approx 35% of all internet capacity at peak viewing times.
from some regional cacheing, if that's the case.
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
A biochemist walks into a student bar and says to the barman: "I'd like a pint
of adenosine triphosphate, please." "Certainly," says the barman, "that'll be
ATP." (Quoted in) The Independent, 2013-7-13
Robin
Feb 11, 2022, 8:49:13 AM2/11/22
to
On 11/02/2022 13:35, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
<snip>
https://openconnect.netflix.com/en/
--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid
<snip>
>>
>> Netflix takes approx 35% of all internet capacity at peak viewing times.
>
> That's quite a startling statistic! You'd think _they_ would benefit
> from some regional cacheing, if that's the case.
Netflix embed hardware in ISPs.
>> Netflix takes approx 35% of all internet capacity at peak viewing times.
>
> That's quite a startling statistic! You'd think _they_ would benefit
> from some regional cacheing, if that's the case.
https://openconnect.netflix.com/en/
--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Feb 11, 2022, 9:16:34 AM2/11/22
to
On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 13:49:09, Robin <r...@outlook.com> wrote (my
"localizing"; some years ago I expressed the opinion that doing such for
popular content would substantially reduce traffic, but at that time the
general consensus was that it wasn't worth it. Though now the rise of
content of the Netflix type where lots of people nation-wide will be
accessing substantially the same content, which perhaps wasn't the case
when I first thought about it) has presumably changed matters.
the real problem is that they're too stupid and they've already taken over the
world (Pedro Domingos, quoted by Wolf K in alt.windows7.general 2018-12-10)
responses usually follow points raised):
>On 11/02/2022 13:35, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
><snip>
>>>
>>> Netflix takes approx 35% of all internet capacity at peak viewing times.
>> That's quite a startling statistic! You'd think _they_ would benefit
>>from some regional cacheing, if that's the case.
>
>
>Netflix embed hardware in ISPs.
>
>https://openconnect.netflix.com/en/
>
Thanks; interesting. Of course, it requires ISPs themselves to also be
><snip>
>>>
>>> Netflix takes approx 35% of all internet capacity at peak viewing times.
>> That's quite a startling statistic! You'd think _they_ would benefit
>>from some regional cacheing, if that's the case.
>
>
>Netflix embed hardware in ISPs.
>
>https://openconnect.netflix.com/en/
>
"localizing"; some years ago I expressed the opinion that doing such for
popular content would substantially reduce traffic, but at that time the
general consensus was that it wasn't worth it. Though now the rise of
content of the Netflix type where lots of people nation-wide will be
accessing substantially the same content, which perhaps wasn't the case
when I first thought about it) has presumably changed matters.
>
>
>
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
People worry that computers will get too smart and take over the world, but
>
>
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
the real problem is that they're too stupid and they've already taken over the
world (Pedro Domingos, quoted by Wolf K in alt.windows7.general 2018-12-10)
Java Jive
Feb 11, 2022, 3:33:33 PM2/11/22
to
On 11/02/2022 10:33, Jim Lesurf wrote:
>
> In article <qNidnYfGI4smNp7_...@brightview.co.uk>, Max
> Demian
> <max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> I need to listen again in case I misheard. However this morning I was
> listening to the version of a recent "Inside Science" that I'd fetched with
> get-iplayer. Used the pid from the relevant day's radio schedule page. This
> often gets an extended version, presumably as podcast. This time the
> programme seemed to start with statement that in future Inside Science
> would appear via 'Sounds' *28 days before being broadcast*.
Yes, you heard correctly, crazy if you ask me, as you say, it'll be like
>
> In article <qNidnYfGI4smNp7_...@brightview.co.uk>, Max
> Demian
> <max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> I need to listen again in case I misheard. However this morning I was
> listening to the version of a recent "Inside Science" that I'd fetched with
> get-iplayer. Used the pid from the relevant day's radio schedule page. This
> often gets an extended version, presumably as podcast. This time the
> programme seemed to start with statement that in future Inside Science
> would appear via 'Sounds' *28 days before being broadcast*.
listening to the news from a month ago.
--
Fake news kills!
I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk
Pamela
Feb 11, 2022, 5:50:32 PM2/11/22
to
On 13:35 11 Feb 2022, J. P. Gilliver (John) said:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 13:18:22, Pamela
> <pamela.priv...@gmail.com> wrote (my responses usually follow
> points raised):
> []
>>Downloading audio or multimedia files with Get-iplayer is a bit too
>>fiddly
>
> Me too; I find youtube-dl (and now yt-dlp) much easier. [Unfortunate
> name: people assume they're only for YouTube. I've very rarely found
> a webpage with a video on it that it won't fetch, regardless of
> site.]
>
>>for me and the controls for skipping through such a file in VLC (skip
>>forward or back and goto) aren't that much better compared to the BBC
>>Sounds App.
>
> Hmm, I find them OK - left, right, and shift-left and shift-right for
> smaller jumps. (And IIRR you can set how long those jumps are, but I'
> not sure about that.) Out of curiosity, what more do you want of a
> player (than back, forward, and goto)?
On my PC multimedia player (Gom) I can skip fowards in three user-defined
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 13:18:22, Pamela
> <pamela.priv...@gmail.com> wrote (my responses usually follow
> points raised):
> []
>>Downloading audio or multimedia files with Get-iplayer is a bit too
>>fiddly
>
> Me too; I find youtube-dl (and now yt-dlp) much easier. [Unfortunate
> name: people assume they're only for YouTube. I've very rarely found
> a webpage with a video on it that it won't fetch, regardless of
> site.]
>
>>for me and the controls for skipping through such a file in VLC (skip
>>forward or back and goto) aren't that much better compared to the BBC
>>Sounds App.
>
> Hmm, I find them OK - left, right, and shift-left and shift-right for
> smaller jumps. (And IIRR you can set how long those jumps are, but I'
> not sure about that.) Out of curiosity, what more do you want of a
> player (than back, forward, and goto)?
steps such as 15 secs, 2 minutes, 10 minutes with a single key depression,
which is very useful. Backwards too. Very useful for short and long
videos.
Pamela
Feb 11, 2022, 5:57:55 PM2/11/22
to
app, which seems great until you realise it has no ability to skip at all.
It hs only a position slider and with poor "handle-ability". Imagine
using that to navigate from one 5 minute topic to the next on Radio 4's
Today programme which is 3 hours long.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Feb 11, 2022, 6:16:44 PM2/11/22
to
On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 22:50:08, Pamela
Very short backwards/forwards jump: Shift+Left/Right
Short: Alt+Left/Right
Medium: Ctrl+Left/Right
Long: Ctrl+Alt+Left/Right
as well as Left/Right on their own (which repeat if you hold them down).
The distances jumped are settable - mine are set to (I think the
defaults):
Very short 3
Short 10
Medium 60
Long 300 (seconds I presume)
or that a slow loris has poisonous elbows?
- Sandi Toksvig on QI, in RT 2018/9/15-21
<pamela.priv...@gmail.com> wrote (my responses usually follow
points raised):
>On 13:35 11 Feb 2022, J. P. Gilliver (John) said:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 13:18:22, Pamela
>> <pamela.priv...@gmail.com> wrote (my responses usually follow
>> points raised):
[]
points raised):
>On 13:35 11 Feb 2022, J. P. Gilliver (John) said:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 13:18:22, Pamela
>> <pamela.priv...@gmail.com> wrote (my responses usually follow
>> points raised):
[]
>>>for me and the controls for skipping through such a file in VLC (skip
>>>forward or back and goto) aren't that much better compared to the BBC
>>>Sounds App.
>>
>> Hmm, I find them OK - left, right, and shift-left and shift-right for
>> smaller jumps. (And IIRR you can set how long those jumps are, but I'
>> not sure about that.) Out of curiosity, what more do you want of a
>> player (than back, forward, and goto)?
>
>On my PC multimedia player (Gom) I can skip fowards in three user-defined
>steps such as 15 secs, 2 minutes, 10 minutes with a single key depression,
>which is very useful. Backwards too. Very useful for short and long
>videos.
>
For VLC (I have 3.0.11):
>>>forward or back and goto) aren't that much better compared to the BBC
>>>Sounds App.
>>
>> Hmm, I find them OK - left, right, and shift-left and shift-right for
>> smaller jumps. (And IIRR you can set how long those jumps are, but I'
>> not sure about that.) Out of curiosity, what more do you want of a
>> player (than back, forward, and goto)?
>
>On my PC multimedia player (Gom) I can skip fowards in three user-defined
>steps such as 15 secs, 2 minutes, 10 minutes with a single key depression,
>which is very useful. Backwards too. Very useful for short and long
>videos.
>
Very short backwards/forwards jump: Shift+Left/Right
Short: Alt+Left/Right
Medium: Ctrl+Left/Right
Long: Ctrl+Alt+Left/Right
as well as Left/Right on their own (which repeat if you hold them down).
The distances jumped are settable - mine are set to (I think the
defaults):
Very short 3
Short 10
Medium 60
Long 300 (seconds I presume)
--
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How could you be expected to know that picnics were originally held indoors,
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
or that a slow loris has poisonous elbows?
- Sandi Toksvig on QI, in RT 2018/9/15-21
Pamela
Feb 12, 2022, 5:44:32 AM2/12/22
to
"Playback" menu. I tried what you posted and the skips work. Thank you
very much for taking the trouble.
I can see I should use VLC more. I have had VLC for over a decade but
use it mainly to play "awkward" videos my ther video players can't
handle. I Its interface is less friendly than all my other players and,
for that reason, I tend not to use it.
Jim Lesurf
Feb 12, 2022, 6:21:13 AM2/12/22
to
In article <XnsAE3B875...@144.76.35.252>, Pamela
file listing pids. It then chuggs though getting the items. Easy. Usually
let it run though a list of 'items from yesterday' as I make breakfast. One
advantage is that because this is before 9am the data isn't added to my
monthly total. So I can get far more than my 'capped amount'. Also tends to
come faster.
> and the controls for skipping through such a file in VLC
> (skip forward or back and goto) aren't that much better compared to the
> BBC Sounds App.
They seem fine to me.
<pamela.priv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Downloading audio or multimedia files with Get-iplayer is a bit too
> fiddly for me
I wrote a simple ROX app that lets me simply type in the pid or drop a text
> Downloading audio or multimedia files with Get-iplayer is a bit too
> fiddly for me
file listing pids. It then chuggs though getting the items. Easy. Usually
let it run though a list of 'items from yesterday' as I make breakfast. One
advantage is that because this is before 9am the data isn't added to my
monthly total. So I can get far more than my 'capped amount'. Also tends to
come faster.
> and the controls for skipping through such a file in VLC
> (skip forward or back and goto) aren't that much better compared to the
> BBC Sounds App.
Jim Lesurf
Feb 12, 2022, 6:21:13 AM2/12/22
to
In article <XnsAE3C6D3...@144.76.35.252>, Pamela
if you play a lot of videos.
If you find some files 'awkward' then investigate the usefulness of ffmpeg
and ffplay. Harder to use than VLC but very powerful and flexible.
<pamela.priv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I can see I should use VLC more. I have had VLC for over a decade but
> use it mainly to play "awkward" videos my ther video players can't
> handle. I Its interface is less friendly than all my other players and,
> for that reason, I tend not to use it.
It is worth spending some time investigating the setup and interface of VLC
> I can see I should use VLC more. I have had VLC for over a decade but
> use it mainly to play "awkward" videos my ther video players can't
> handle. I Its interface is less friendly than all my other players and,
> for that reason, I tend not to use it.
if you play a lot of videos.
If you find some files 'awkward' then investigate the usefulness of ffmpeg
and ffplay. Harder to use than VLC but very powerful and flexible.
Jim Lesurf
Feb 12, 2022, 6:21:14 AM2/12/22
to
> Thanks for the Audio Factory link. I hadn't realised you were HiFi News
> aristocracy! The AF seems for input feeds although it involves some
> rationalisation of output stream types. You also mentioned a "content
> delivery network" service which is probably what I am asking about.
> Playing BBC radio through Sounds has remarkably little latency and the
> listener can then skip about the programme with little buffering delay.
> It's works rather well.
That's a result of providers of AV streams using some form of 'CDN'.
> aristocracy! The AF seems for input feeds although it involves some
> rationalisation of output stream types. You also mentioned a "content
> delivery network" service which is probably what I am asking about.
> Playing BBC radio through Sounds has remarkably little latency and the
> listener can then skip about the programme with little buffering delay.
> It's works rather well.
In effect they put copies of the files people are asking form onto many
machines disributed around the net. Then when you ask for something they
arrange it gets sent to you from the 'most convenient' machine in you
specific case at the time.
> So I'm impressed a CDN can handle so much traffic and in near real-time.
> If 100 listeners all started the same audio programme and then each
> skipped to a different part of it, there could be 100 times the traffic
> unless there is some clever caching going on in the network and,
> depending of the exact situation, even that may not reduce total
> traffic much. There must be some interesting network balancing going on.
different commercial ones that are bigger. If you use get-iplayer it can be
told to fetch from a specific CDN or exclude one. That has occasionally
been useful in the past when providers or the net have had problems.
The result tends to be like the old comment about swans. On the surface
they seem to glide across the pond effortlessly. But under the water they
are paddling furiously to get though the weeds! :-)
Jim Lesurf
Feb 12, 2022, 6:21:14 AM2/12/22
to
In article <XnsAE3BE84...@144.76.35.252>, Pamela
of keypresses, etc.
<pamela.priv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On my PC multimedia player (Gom) I can skip fowards in three
> user-defined steps such as 15 secs, 2 minutes, 10 minutes with a single
> key depression, which is very useful. Backwards too. Very useful for
> short and long videos.
Perhaps worth pointing out that VLC lets the user reconfigure the effects
> On my PC multimedia player (Gom) I can skip fowards in three
> user-defined steps such as 15 secs, 2 minutes, 10 minutes with a single
> key depression, which is very useful. Backwards too. Very useful for
> short and long videos.
of keypresses, etc.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Feb 12, 2022, 7:06:16 AM2/12/22
to
On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 at 10:44:03, Pamela
was broken in that the metadata editing function [e. g. accessed via
Ctrl-I] stopped working [it seemed to work but any change didn't get
stored]. I haven't tried a recent version to see if they've fixed that:
if anyone knows it has, please share.)
>"Playback" menu. I tried what you posted and the skips work. Thank you
>very much for taking the trouble.
you're welcome. I don't think I found them for a while - well, I think I
found left and right (I tend to use the keyboard more than a lot of
people do), but it didn't occur to me to try them with modifiers until,
I think, I happened to see them in one of the configuration pages. (The
option to _change_ the jump size is under the "Advanced" button.)
that of most of the others I have less intuitive, simply because )I
suspect) I use VLC as my default, rather than it being easier or the
others harder. My usual one for files VLC won't play is IrfanView (which
started out as mainly for - and I still use it mainly for - dealing with
still images, but can now do many audio and video formats, though with
fewer controls [unless I just haven't found them!] than VLC).
duty." CSI, 200x
<pamela.priv...@gmail.com> wrote (my responses usually follow
points raised):
[]
>>>>>for me and the controls for skipping through such a file in VLC
>>>>>(skip forward or back and goto) aren't that much better compared to
>>>>>the BBC Sounds App.
[]
points raised):
[]
>>>>>for me and the controls for skipping through such a file in VLC
>>>>>(skip forward or back and goto) aren't that much better compared to
>>>>>the BBC Sounds App.
>> For VLC (I have 3.0.11):
>> Very short backwards/forwards jump: Shift+Left/Right
>> Short: Alt+Left/Right
>> Medium: Ctrl+Left/Right
>> Long: Ctrl+Alt+Left/Right
>>
>> as well as Left/Right on their own (which repeat if you hold them
>> down).
>>
>> The distances jumped are settable - mine are set to (I think the
>> defaults):
>> Very short 3
>> Short 10
>> Medium 60
>> Long 300 (seconds I presume)
>
>I have VLC version 3.0.16 and was referring to the three entries in the
(I turned off updating as the version or two after '11, on W7-32 anyway,
>> Very short backwards/forwards jump: Shift+Left/Right
>> Short: Alt+Left/Right
>> Medium: Ctrl+Left/Right
>> Long: Ctrl+Alt+Left/Right
>>
>> as well as Left/Right on their own (which repeat if you hold them
>> down).
>>
>> The distances jumped are settable - mine are set to (I think the
>> defaults):
>> Very short 3
>> Short 10
>> Medium 60
>> Long 300 (seconds I presume)
>
>I have VLC version 3.0.16 and was referring to the three entries in the
was broken in that the metadata editing function [e. g. accessed via
Ctrl-I] stopped working [it seemed to work but any change didn't get
stored]. I haven't tried a recent version to see if they've fixed that:
if anyone knows it has, please share.)
>"Playback" menu. I tried what you posted and the skips work. Thank you
>very much for taking the trouble.
found left and right (I tend to use the keyboard more than a lot of
people do), but it didn't occur to me to try them with modifiers until,
I think, I happened to see them in one of the configuration pages. (The
option to _change_ the jump size is under the "Advanced" button.)
>
>I can see I should use VLC more. I have had VLC for over a decade but
>use it mainly to play "awkward" videos my ther video players can't
>handle. I Its interface is less friendly than all my other players and,
>for that reason, I tend not to use it.
>
I suspect the interface of any player comes with familiarity; I find
>I can see I should use VLC more. I have had VLC for over a decade but
>use it mainly to play "awkward" videos my ther video players can't
>handle. I Its interface is less friendly than all my other players and,
>for that reason, I tend not to use it.
>
that of most of the others I have less intuitive, simply because )I
suspect) I use VLC as my default, rather than it being easier or the
others harder. My usual one for files VLC won't play is IrfanView (which
started out as mainly for - and I still use it mainly for - dealing with
still images, but can now do many audio and video formats, though with
fewer controls [unless I just haven't found them!] than VLC).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
"... all your hard work in the hands of twelve people too stupid to get off jury
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
duty." CSI, 200x
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Feb 12, 2022, 7:18:19 AM2/12/22
to
On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 at 11:11:23, Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk>
anyone else that _that_ aspect of VLC - _changing_ the control bar - is
very far from intuitive, to the extent that I'd say it was buggy.)
If you search your system for files with ffmpeg in their name, its
amazing how many utilities are actually GUI wrappers for ffmpeg! (I. e.,
they generate the switches it needs.) On my system, at least the
following are ffmpeg-based or contain it: K-Lite Codec Pack;
Best_Video_Converter; Any Video Converter plugins; KMPlayer; Bigasoft
Video Downloader; Pazera Audio Extractor; get_iplayer; downloadhelper;
ClipGrab; Deshaker; and Skype.
(I hadn't come across ffplay, but on checking, I find at least three of
the above - Bigasoft, Pazera, and downloadhelper - use it. Is it to do
with flash?)
wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
[]
>It is worth spending some time investigating the setup and interface of VLC
>if you play a lot of videos.
(Yes, I've changed the button bar in mine. I would agree with Pamela or
>if you play a lot of videos.
anyone else that _that_ aspect of VLC - _changing_ the control bar - is
very far from intuitive, to the extent that I'd say it was buggy.)
>
>If you find some files 'awkward' then investigate the usefulness of ffmpeg
>and ffplay. Harder to use than VLC but very powerful and flexible.
>
>Jim
>
(Paul, in the Windows groups, is an expert on ffmpeg [and much else].)
>If you find some files 'awkward' then investigate the usefulness of ffmpeg
>and ffplay. Harder to use than VLC but very powerful and flexible.
>
>Jim
>
If you search your system for files with ffmpeg in their name, its
amazing how many utilities are actually GUI wrappers for ffmpeg! (I. e.,
they generate the switches it needs.) On my system, at least the
following are ffmpeg-based or contain it: K-Lite Codec Pack;
Best_Video_Converter; Any Video Converter plugins; KMPlayer; Bigasoft
Video Downloader; Pazera Audio Extractor; get_iplayer; downloadhelper;
ClipGrab; Deshaker; and Skype.
(I hadn't come across ffplay, but on checking, I find at least three of
the above - Bigasoft, Pazera, and downloadhelper - use it. Is it to do
with flash?)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
Jim Lesurf
Feb 12, 2022, 8:07:19 AM2/12/22
to
In article <dpW3dTjxYmBiFwbk@a.a>, J. P. Gilliver (John)
<G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
> Me too; I find youtube-dl (and now yt-dlp) much easier. [Unfortunate
> name: people assume they're only for YouTube. I've very rarely found a
> webpage with a video on it that it won't fetch, regardless of site.]
I'd be interested in more info about that. Couple of examples?
> Me too; I find youtube-dl (and now yt-dlp) much easier. [Unfortunate
> name: people assume they're only for YouTube. I've very rarely found a
> webpage with a video on it that it won't fetch, regardless of site.]
Jim Lesurf
Feb 12, 2022, 8:22:53 AM2/12/22
to
In article <XT9VjN7fV6BiFw4z@a.a>, J. P. Gilliver (John)
that ffmpeg tends to lurk in various corners of other parts of the software
or 'OS'.
(re ffplay)
> (I hadn't come across ffplay, but on checking, I find at least three of
> the above - Bigasoft, Pazera, and downloadhelper - use it. Is it to do
> with flash?)
No. (shudder!) It is a simple 'play the file' utility that is a part of the
ffmpeg 'family' of programs. It can be used to see if you can play a file
which may not work with some other programs, or to check it in some way.
Similarly there is ffprobe which will list the details of a file. e.g. I
use it to read chapter mark locations in a file before using a simple
ffmpeg based program to snip it. Or more often to generate a series of
'start here' files I can then simply click on the start VLC playing from
that place. Again, I wrote a ROX app to help make this simpler. I like ROX
on Linux as it gives me a good user interface in terms of filer actions.
FWIW I tend to get the 'current' ffmpeg family and put them in user space
as a better alternative to the versions (sometimes renamed) that come with
a Linux distro.
> >If you find some files 'awkward' then investigate the usefulness of
> >ffmpeg and ffplay. Harder to use than VLC but very powerful and
> >flexible.
> >
> >Jim
> >
> (Paul, in the Windows groups, is an expert on ffmpeg [and much else].)
> If you search your system for files with ffmpeg in their name, its
> amazing how many utilities are actually GUI wrappers for ffmpeg!
Yes. :-) I used Linux and RISC OS, not 'doze, but it is similar there in
> >ffmpeg and ffplay. Harder to use than VLC but very powerful and
> >flexible.
> >
> >Jim
> >
> (Paul, in the Windows groups, is an expert on ffmpeg [and much else].)
> If you search your system for files with ffmpeg in their name, its
> amazing how many utilities are actually GUI wrappers for ffmpeg!
that ffmpeg tends to lurk in various corners of other parts of the software
or 'OS'.
(re ffplay)
> (I hadn't come across ffplay, but on checking, I find at least three of
> the above - Bigasoft, Pazera, and downloadhelper - use it. Is it to do
> with flash?)
ffmpeg 'family' of programs. It can be used to see if you can play a file
which may not work with some other programs, or to check it in some way.
Similarly there is ffprobe which will list the details of a file. e.g. I
use it to read chapter mark locations in a file before using a simple
ffmpeg based program to snip it. Or more often to generate a series of
'start here' files I can then simply click on the start VLC playing from
that place. Again, I wrote a ROX app to help make this simpler. I like ROX
on Linux as it gives me a good user interface in terms of filer actions.
FWIW I tend to get the 'current' ffmpeg family and put them in user space
as a better alternative to the versions (sometimes renamed) that come with
a Linux distro.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Feb 12, 2022, 8:51:53 AM2/12/22
to
On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 at 13:21:43, Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk>
something from 2009 called SwiffPlayerSetup15.exe, which I vaguely think
I remember was a Flash player. Might not be.)
>ffmpeg 'family' of programs. It can be used to see if you can play a file
>which may not work with some other programs, or to check it in some way.
>
>Similarly there is ffprobe which will list the details of a file. e.g. I
At first I thought you meant like gspot (which I recently searched for,
but explained with amusement to the lady I was helping that a lot of the
hits were unrelated - only to discover she didn't know about that sort
of G-spot!). But ...
>use it to read chapter mark locations in a file before using a simple
.. suggests it isn't. (gspot, if you don't know, is a utility that tells
you things like what CoDecs were used to make a file, and probably lots
of other such things.)
>ffmpeg based program to snip it. Or more often to generate a series of
>'start here' files I can then simply click on the start VLC playing from
>that place. Again, I wrote a ROX app to help make this simpler. I like ROX
>on Linux as it gives me a good user interface in terms of filer actions.
(On checking, I find I have ffprobe too - not quite so many, but it's
there as part of Pazera and downloadhelper.)
know if the versions that came with the various utilities (wrappers for
it) that I use are compatible with each other, and (b) I don't know if
those utilities would _find_ it if I just put it in system32 or similar.
(m...@saslimited.demon.co.uk), 1998
wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
>In article <XT9VjN7fV6BiFw4z@a.a>, J. P. Gilliver (John)
><G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 at 11:11:23, Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk>
[]
><G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 at 11:11:23, Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk>
>> (I hadn't come across ffplay, but on checking, I find at least three of
>> the above - Bigasoft, Pazera, and downloadhelper - use it. Is it to do
>> with flash?)
>
>No. (shudder!) It is a simple 'play the file' utility that is a part of the
(I didn't think it was, but when I searched for ffplay, I found I had
>> the above - Bigasoft, Pazera, and downloadhelper - use it. Is it to do
>> with flash?)
>
>No. (shudder!) It is a simple 'play the file' utility that is a part of the
something from 2009 called SwiffPlayerSetup15.exe, which I vaguely think
I remember was a Flash player. Might not be.)
>ffmpeg 'family' of programs. It can be used to see if you can play a file
>which may not work with some other programs, or to check it in some way.
>
>Similarly there is ffprobe which will list the details of a file. e.g. I
but explained with amusement to the lady I was helping that a lot of the
hits were unrelated - only to discover she didn't know about that sort
of G-spot!). But ...
>use it to read chapter mark locations in a file before using a simple
you things like what CoDecs were used to make a file, and probably lots
of other such things.)
>ffmpeg based program to snip it. Or more often to generate a series of
>'start here' files I can then simply click on the start VLC playing from
>that place. Again, I wrote a ROX app to help make this simpler. I like ROX
>on Linux as it gives me a good user interface in terms of filer actions.
there as part of Pazera and downloadhelper.)
>
>FWIW I tend to get the 'current' ffmpeg family and put them in user space
>as a better alternative to the versions (sometimes renamed) that come with
>a Linux distro.
>
>Jim
>
I'd like to just have one common copy - it'd be tidier - but (a) I don't
>FWIW I tend to get the 'current' ffmpeg family and put them in user space
>as a better alternative to the versions (sometimes renamed) that come with
>a Linux distro.
>
>Jim
>
know if the versions that came with the various utilities (wrappers for
it) that I use are compatible with each other, and (b) I don't know if
those utilities would _find_ it if I just put it in system32 or similar.
--
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Veni Vidi Visa [I came, I saw, I did a little shopping] - Mik from S+AS Limited
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(m...@saslimited.demon.co.uk), 1998
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Feb 12, 2022, 9:03:56 AM2/12/22
to
On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 at 11:23:16, Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk>
http://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/; yt-dlp is at
https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp (scroll down a bit to get to the
"friendly" bit; like all github pages, the top of the page is straight
into technical bits).
If you mean examples of where it/they work on other than youTube URLs -
I've found most BBC programme pages, and also IIRR ones with "vimeo" in
the URL. If you like ffmpeg, you'll like these two; I usually just run
them by typing "yt-dlp URL", but if you type (IIRR) "yt-dlp --help"
you'll find it has oodles of possible parameters.
gleeful rejection of the dreary and the "correct".
- Alison Graham, RT 2014/10/25-31
wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
>In article <dpW3dTjxYmBiFwbk@a.a>, J. P. Gilliver (John)
><G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> Me too; I find youtube-dl (and now yt-dlp) much easier. [Unfortunate
>> name: people assume they're only for YouTube. I've very rarely found a
>> webpage with a video on it that it won't fetch, regardless of site.]
>
>I'd be interested in more info about that. Couple of examples?
>
>Jim
>
The old youtube-dl - which apparently does work on Unix/Linux - is at
><G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> Me too; I find youtube-dl (and now yt-dlp) much easier. [Unfortunate
>> name: people assume they're only for YouTube. I've very rarely found a
>> webpage with a video on it that it won't fetch, regardless of site.]
>
>I'd be interested in more info about that. Couple of examples?
>
>Jim
>
http://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/; yt-dlp is at
https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp (scroll down a bit to get to the
"friendly" bit; like all github pages, the top of the page is straight
into technical bits).
If you mean examples of where it/they work on other than youTube URLs -
I've found most BBC programme pages, and also IIRR ones with "vimeo" in
the URL. If you like ffmpeg, you'll like these two; I usually just run
them by typing "yt-dlp URL", but if you type (IIRR) "yt-dlp --help"
you'll find it has oodles of possible parameters.
--
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The thing about smut is it harms no one and it's rarely cruel. Besides, it's a
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
gleeful rejection of the dreary and the "correct".
- Alison Graham, RT 2014/10/25-31
Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Feb 12, 2022, 9:44:02 AM2/12/22
to
Yes I heard this, maybe the term should have been up to, since not all of
the stuff will be new.
What about the world services Science in Action though, is that the same,
they often seem more on the ball. How may others will be done, In Touch is
already seeming to be about a month behind the podcasts from the likes of
RNIB connect, and in my view anything purporting to have any kind of up to
date news should be up to date, not put together in a couple of months.
news:su6h6r$oa6$1...@dont-email.me...
the stuff will be new.
What about the world services Science in Action though, is that the same,
they often seem more on the ball. How may others will be done, In Touch is
already seeming to be about a month behind the podcasts from the likes of
RNIB connect, and in my view anything purporting to have any kind of up to
date news should be up to date, not put together in a couple of months.
Brian
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Jim Lesurf
Feb 13, 2022, 5:09:35 AM2/13/22
to
In article <e8on4gBJ37BiFwrs@a.a>, J. P. Gilliver (John)
asking about...
> If you mean examples of where it/they work on other than youTube URLs -
> I've found most BBC programme pages, and also IIRR ones with "vimeo" in
> the URL. If you like ffmpeg, you'll like these two; I usually just run
> them by typing "yt-dlp URL", but if you type (IIRR) "yt-dlp --help"
> you'll find it has oodles of possible parameters.
IIRR?
I was wondering about videos on various sites/locations more generally.
e.g. I'm currently interested in ones about the James Webb Space Telescope,
but try to avoid YT itself if I can.
<G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
> The old youtube-dl - which apparently does work on Unix/Linux - is at
> http://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/; yt-dlp is at
> https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp (scroll down a bit to get to the
> "friendly" bit; like all github pages, the top of the page is straight
> into technical bits).
Yes, I've used the 'original' for some time, and now the dlp version. I was
> The old youtube-dl - which apparently does work on Unix/Linux - is at
> http://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/; yt-dlp is at
> https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp (scroll down a bit to get to the
> "friendly" bit; like all github pages, the top of the page is straight
> into technical bits).
asking about...
> If you mean examples of where it/they work on other than youTube URLs -
> I've found most BBC programme pages, and also IIRR ones with "vimeo" in
> the URL. If you like ffmpeg, you'll like these two; I usually just run
> them by typing "yt-dlp URL", but if you type (IIRR) "yt-dlp --help"
> you'll find it has oodles of possible parameters.
I was wondering about videos on various sites/locations more generally.
e.g. I'm currently interested in ones about the James Webb Space Telescope,
but try to avoid YT itself if I can.
Jim Lesurf
Feb 13, 2022, 5:09:35 AM2/13/22
to
In article <Ts3kMjA0q7BiFwLh@a.a>, J. P. Gilliver (John)
version which installed-from-the-disro-repos uses, plus my up to date
versio that is sometimes more flexible in my user space which I then write
simple ROX apps to automate using via a click or a drag-and-drop.
<G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
> I'd like to just have one common copy - it'd be tidier - but (a) I don't
> know if the versions that came with the various utilities (wrappers for
> it) that I use are compatible with each other, and (b) I don't know if
> those utilities would _find_ it if I just put it in system32 or similar.
Other programs may assume a specific version. So I tend to have a 'system'
> I'd like to just have one common copy - it'd be tidier - but (a) I don't
> know if the versions that came with the various utilities (wrappers for
> it) that I use are compatible with each other, and (b) I don't know if
> those utilities would _find_ it if I just put it in system32 or similar.
version which installed-from-the-disro-repos uses, plus my up to date
versio that is sometimes more flexible in my user space which I then write
simple ROX apps to automate using via a click or a drag-and-drop.
Graham Harrison
Feb 13, 2022, 4:02:06 PM2/13/22
to
On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 12:20:10 +0000, MB <M...@nospam.net> wrote:
>On 09/02/2022 11:55, Max Demian wrote:
>> It's quite difficult to find a BBC podcast on the BBC site. (The search
>> box searches the whole BBC site.) They keep pushing you to the BBC
>> Sounds app even if all you want is information about the programme, and
>> they don't properly distinguish between programmes which are podcasts
>> and those that aren't. It's also difficult to find the RSS feed address
>> to put into a third party podcatcher such as Podcast Addict.
>
>That applies to find anything on the BBC website, the search system is
>too crude and difficult to target the search precisely.
>
My father did quite a lot of work for the BBC from 1924 until 1983. I
can look him up on https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/ (the digitised Radio
Times) and if I simply search for his name I get 675 results including
people with the same surname but different christian name. Put his
name in quotes and it drops to 570 - just him as far as I can see. Do
the same on the main BBC website and quotes make no difference, in
fact, as far as I can see, he doesn't appear at all. It feels like the
genome project uses a different search technique to the rest of the
BBC.
>On 09/02/2022 11:55, Max Demian wrote:
>> It's quite difficult to find a BBC podcast on the BBC site. (The search
>> box searches the whole BBC site.) They keep pushing you to the BBC
>> Sounds app even if all you want is information about the programme, and
>> they don't properly distinguish between programmes which are podcasts
>> to put into a third party podcatcher such as Podcast Addict.
>
>That applies to find anything on the BBC website, the search system is
>too crude and difficult to target the search precisely.
>
My father did quite a lot of work for the BBC from 1924 until 1983. I
can look him up on https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/ (the digitised Radio
Times) and if I simply search for his name I get 675 results including
people with the same surname but different christian name. Put his
name in quotes and it drops to 570 - just him as far as I can see. Do
the same on the main BBC website and quotes make no difference, in
fact, as far as I can see, he doesn't appear at all. It feels like the
genome project uses a different search technique to the rest of the
BBC.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
Feb 13, 2022, 6:18:46 PM2/13/22
to
On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 at 18:12:10, Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk>
thought, though I think does predate texting.
else) somewhere on it, just try throwing the URL of the webpage at
yt-dlp; IME, there's a fair chance it will download the video.
Especially if you help it along with a parameter or two, but usually
even without.
(In My Experience.)
- Richard Osman on Victoria Wood, RT 2017/4/8-14
wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
>In article <e8on4gBJ37BiFwrs@a.a>, J. P. Gilliver (John)
><G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> The old youtube-dl - which apparently does work on Unix/Linux - is at
>> http://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/; yt-dlp is at
>> https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp (scroll down a bit to get to the
>> "friendly" bit; like all github pages, the top of the page is straight
>> into technical bits).
>
>Yes, I've used the 'original' for some time, and now the dlp version. I was
>asking about...
>
>> If you mean examples of where it/they work on other than youTube URLs -
>> I've found most BBC programme pages, and also IIRR ones with "vimeo" in
>> the URL. If you like ffmpeg, you'll like these two; I usually just run
>> them by typing "yt-dlp URL", but if you type (IIRR) "yt-dlp --help"
>> you'll find it has oodles of possible parameters.
>
>IIRR?
Sorry - "if I remember/recall rightly". Maybe not as common as I
><G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> The old youtube-dl - which apparently does work on Unix/Linux - is at
>> http://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/; yt-dlp is at
>> https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp (scroll down a bit to get to the
>> "friendly" bit; like all github pages, the top of the page is straight
>> into technical bits).
>
>Yes, I've used the 'original' for some time, and now the dlp version. I was
>asking about...
>
>> If you mean examples of where it/they work on other than youTube URLs -
>> I've found most BBC programme pages, and also IIRR ones with "vimeo" in
>> the URL. If you like ffmpeg, you'll like these two; I usually just run
>> them by typing "yt-dlp URL", but if you type (IIRR) "yt-dlp --help"
>> you'll find it has oodles of possible parameters.
>
>IIRR?
thought, though I think does predate texting.
>
>I was wondering about videos on various sites/locations more generally.
>e.g. I'm currently interested in ones about the James Webb Space Telescope,
>but try to avoid YT itself if I can.
>
>Jim
>
If you find any web page with a video (of the telescope or anything
>I was wondering about videos on various sites/locations more generally.
>e.g. I'm currently interested in ones about the James Webb Space Telescope,
>but try to avoid YT itself if I can.
>
>Jim
>
else) somewhere on it, just try throwing the URL of the webpage at
yt-dlp; IME, there's a fair chance it will download the video.
Especially if you help it along with a parameter or two, but usually
even without.
(In My Experience.)
--
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... and how lovely, warm, funny, and just all-round Victoria Woodish she was.
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
- Richard Osman on Victoria Wood, RT 2017/4/8-14
John Williamson
Feb 14, 2022, 4:24:16 AM2/14/22
to
On 13/02/2022 23:15, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>> IIRR?
>
> Sorry - "if I remember/recall rightly". Maybe not as common as I
> thought, though I think does predate texting.
Most use IIRC - If I Remember. Recall Correctly....
>> IIRR?
>
> Sorry - "if I remember/recall rightly". Maybe not as common as I
> thought, though I think does predate texting.
Also IME, both of which have been in use since the days of dial up
bulletin boards.
HTH, HAND.... (1)
--
Tciao for Now!
John.
(1) Hope this helps/ Happy to help. Have a nice day.
Jim Lesurf
Feb 17, 2022, 5:27:03 AM2/17/22
to
In article <e8on4gBJ37BiFwrs@a.a>, J. P. Gilliver (John)
video from here OK.
https://renegadeinc.com/steve-keen-this-is-where-we-are-and-how-we-got-here/
I've written a simple ROX app for Linux that lets me drag-and-drop a file
containing the URL, and that gave me an mpeg of the video. As fetched, it
lacked timestamps so didn't play perfectly with VLC becase you couldn't
jump to an arbitrary time. But a pass though ffmpeg fixed that. :-)
Result well worth watching. :-)
I'll make more use of yt-dlp. :-))
FWIW I switched to yt-dlp when yt started throttling.
<G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
> If you mean examples of where it/they work on other than youTube URLs -
> I've found most BBC programme pages, and also IIRR ones with "vimeo" in
> the URL. If you like ffmpeg, you'll like these two; I usually just run
> them by typing "yt-dlp URL", but if you type (IIRR) "yt-dlp --help"
> you'll find it has oodles of possible parameters.
Thanks for the info! :-) I had a go and, yes, yt-dlp let me fetch the
> If you mean examples of where it/they work on other than youTube URLs -
> I've found most BBC programme pages, and also IIRR ones with "vimeo" in
> the URL. If you like ffmpeg, you'll like these two; I usually just run
> them by typing "yt-dlp URL", but if you type (IIRR) "yt-dlp --help"
> you'll find it has oodles of possible parameters.
video from here OK.
https://renegadeinc.com/steve-keen-this-is-where-we-are-and-how-we-got-here/
I've written a simple ROX app for Linux that lets me drag-and-drop a file
containing the URL, and that gave me an mpeg of the video. As fetched, it
lacked timestamps so didn't play perfectly with VLC becase you couldn't
jump to an arbitrary time. But a pass though ffmpeg fixed that. :-)
Result well worth watching. :-)
I'll make more use of yt-dlp. :-))
FWIW I switched to yt-dlp when yt started throttling.
Pamela
Feb 17, 2022, 5:36:43 AM2/17/22
to
On 14:01 12 Feb 2022, J. P. Gilliver (John) said:
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 at 11:23:16, Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk>
> wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
>>In article <dpW3dTjxYmBiFwbk@a.a>, J. P. Gilliver (John)
>><G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>> Me too; I find youtube-dl (and now yt-dlp) much easier.
>>> [Unfortunate name: people assume they're only for YouTube. I've
>>> very rarely found a webpage with a video on it that it won't fetch,
>>> regardless of site.]
>>
>>I'd be interested in more info about that. Couple of examples?
>>
>>Jim
>>
> The old youtube-dl - which apparently does work on Unix/Linux - is at
> http://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/; yt-dlp is at
> https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp (scroll down a bit to get to the
> "friendly" bit; like all github pages, the top of the page is
> straight into technical bits).
>
> If you mean examples of where it/they work on other than youTube URLs
> - I've found most BBC programme pages, and also IIRR ones with
> "vimeo" in the URL. If you like ffmpeg, you'll like these two; I
> usually just run them by typing "yt-dlp URL", but if you type (IIRR)
> "yt-dlp --help" you'll find it has oodles of possible parameters.
Google shows there are several fork versions.
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 at 11:23:16, Jim Lesurf <no...@audiomisc.co.uk>
> wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
>>In article <dpW3dTjxYmBiFwbk@a.a>, J. P. Gilliver (John)
>><G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>> Me too; I find youtube-dl (and now yt-dlp) much easier.
>>> [Unfortunate name: people assume they're only for YouTube. I've
>>> very rarely found a webpage with a video on it that it won't fetch,
>>> regardless of site.]
>>
>>I'd be interested in more info about that. Couple of examples?
>>
>>Jim
>>
> The old youtube-dl - which apparently does work on Unix/Linux - is at
> http://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/; yt-dlp is at
> https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp (scroll down a bit to get to the
> "friendly" bit; like all github pages, the top of the page is
> straight into technical bits).
>
> If you mean examples of where it/they work on other than youTube URLs
> - I've found most BBC programme pages, and also IIRR ones with
> "vimeo" in the URL. If you like ffmpeg, you'll like these two; I
> usually just run them by typing "yt-dlp URL", but if you type (IIRR)
> "yt-dlp --help" you'll find it has oodles of possible parameters.
Are there any with a GUI?
Do you know which is the best version for Windows?
Jim Lesurf
Feb 17, 2022, 8:24:22 AM2/17/22
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In article <XnsAE416BE...@144.76.35.252>, Pamela
Linux. That lets me drop a file containing the page URL. So useable via
drag-and-drop.
<pamela.priv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are there any with a GUI?
> Do you know which is the best version for Windows?
Can't comment on 'doze. But I wrote a simple app for the ROX filer on
> Are there any with a GUI?
> Do you know which is the best version for Windows?
Linux. That lets me drop a file containing the page URL. So useable via
drag-and-drop.
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