Connection problems with Samsung TV and Hard disc recorders

[Mick.]

Hi all,

I have connection problems with my Samsung 32 inch LCD TV

And my Humax HDR-FOX T2 Freeview+ HD Twin Tuner with 1TB Recorder.

The TV Is a:

Samsung 32 inch LCD TV bought Nov 2008

Model: LE32A336J1D

Model Code: LE32A336J10XXV

Type no: LE332A336



The Humax HDR-FOX T2

Software Version:FHTCP1.02.20

Loader Version: a7.30

System ID: 80BC.7EOO

Update date: 10 June 2011

MICOM Version: 9.3



The problem is if the Humax is on a pre set recording, it will not connect
with the TV, it says "no signal" on the screen.



I have tried everything suggested with the Humax, re set to factory
settings, check for latest update

And changed to HMDI cable and the slot it is in the TV.



I also have a Sagemcom DTR 6400T/6700T Recorder connected in the other HMDI
slot on the TV and this is now also displaying the "no signal" message if
recording.



Samsung do not seem to have any driver updates for the TV.



It has been suggested using a scart cable instead of HMDI but there is only
one scart slot in the box, and that has my DVD player in it.



Any thoughts please?

Mick

[Brian Gaff]

If only one of the recording boxes is plugged in, does it work?

Brian

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[Max Demian]

"Mick." <mrcy...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
>
> I have connection problems with my Samsung 32 inch LCD TV
>
> And my Humax HDR-FOX T2 Freeview+ HD Twin Tuner with 1TB Recorder.

[...]

> The problem is if the Humax is on a pre set recording, it will not connect
> with the TV, it says "no signal" on the screen.

[...]

> It has been suggested using a scart cable instead of HMDI but there is
> only one scart slot in the box, and that has my DVD player in it.

Well you could try plugging the DVD player into the second SCART of the
Humax, or the Humax into the second SCART of the DVD player (if it has
one) - but then you won't be able to play HD recordings back in true HD.

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Max Demian

[Paul D Smith]

Asking to odd question - what are you trying to do? Is it as follows?

- You watch the Humax via the TV fine
- You schedule a recording via the Humax
- Later you try to watch the recording and then the TV gets upset?

Have you tried fiddling with the screen resolution? I would try setting the
Humax output to...

1080p
1080i
720p
526i (if possible)

Note that the Humax will upscale so the signal it passes to the TV will be
the same whether you recorded SD or HD.

Paul DS

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <gvudnbSy6qEhiYDS...@brightview.com>,

Mick. <mrcy...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> It has been suggested using a scart cable instead of HMDI but there is
> only one scart slot in the box, and that has my DVD player in it.

Not much use if wanting HD. SCART only carries SD.

I'd examine the menu in the TV carefully. My HDR-FOX T2 works normally
with my TV via HDMI, so my guess is it's down to the TV.

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[TheHippo]

Might be a stupid question but, have you tried turning the Humax on?
If it is in standby and then starts a recording it is still in standby
(despite the front panel changing)
You need to press the power button to bring it out of standby.

[Mick.]

Hi again,
This is trying to answer all your questions, hope this comes
over ok?

I have tried getting it to connect with only the Humax bbox connected but it
is still the same, it does connect sometimes but not very often, I then wait
for the recording programme to end then can connect ok.

The Humax box only has one scart socket not two!

I always use the power button to bring the Humax out of standby.

From help I have received before I too think it is the TV.

I will try Samsung again and see if I can get any answer about an update,
the TV menu says non available, and even if I found one there is no USB
socket to try and install it?

Thanks all,
Mick.


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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article
<ca384db4-3d93-4f81...@v14g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,

Just as a bit of a hijack, is there a way of stopping it switching on in
the middle of the night to look for a software update? Because it also
switches my TV on...

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[Paul D Smith]

> I will try Samsung again and see if I can get any answer about an update,
> the TV menu says non available, and even if I found one there is no USB
> socket to try and install it?

Is this an internet enabled TV? Panasonics can update over the web so
perhaps the Samsung can too?

Paul DS

[Mick.]

"Paul D Smith" <paul_d...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hi Paul,
The TV is not internet connected, but I believe Samsung can update
over the signal somehow, but the set still has the original, and an update
scan comes up "non available"
Mick.

[Paul D Smith]

...snip...

Not sure but from the user manual, it looks like the TV might only support
1080i - the Humax might be set for 1080p - try downgrade to 720. Seems like
this is a 720p TV screen so 1080i won't make the picture look any better.

No ethernet port, but there is something temptingly labelled "service" - not
sure it there is some way to get up to date firmware on through this port
though.

Paul DS.

[J G Miller]

On Monday, January 23rd, 2012, at 17:08:40h +0000, Mick. wrote:

> The TV is not internet connected, but I believe Samsung can update
> over the signal somehow, but the set still has the original, and an
> update scan comes up "non available"

Well if the TV is not connected to the Internet via ethernet cable
or wireless, you can hardly exepct clicking on the "update scan"
to result in anything other than "non available".

Incidentally, even if you were connected to the Internet, it probably
would still say this unless they have changed things in recent models,
because this is what happened on two occasions with a 2010 model and
the firmware file had to be manually downloaded and installed from
USB disk. This would tend to indicated that the TV firmware does not
look for the update in the right place or that the naming convention
of the update file on the server is not correct for the "online" update
procedure to work.

[J G Miller]

On Monday, January 23rd, 2012, at 17:08:40h +0000, Mick. wrote:

> The TV is not internet connected, but I believe Samsung can update
> over the signal somehow, but the set still has the original, and an
> update scan comes up "non available"

[J G Miller]

On Monday, January 23rd, 2012, at 17:08:40h +0000, Mick. wrote:

> The TV is not internet connected, but I believe Samsung can update
> over the signal somehow, but the set still has the original, and an
> update scan comes up "non available"

[J G Miller]

On Monday, January 23rd, 2012, at 17:08:40h +0000, Mick. wrote:

> The TV is not internet connected, but I believe Samsung can update
> over the signal somehow, but the set still has the original, and an
> update scan comes up "non available"

[Mark Carver]

J G Miller wrote:
> On Monday, January 23rd, 2012, at 17:08:40h +0000, Mick. wrote:
>
>> The TV is not internet connected, but I believe Samsung can update
>> over the signal somehow, but the set still has the original, and an
>> update scan comes up "non available"
>
> Well if the TV is not connected to the Internet via ethernet cable
> or wireless, you can hardly exepct clicking on the "update scan"
> to result in anything other than "non available".

Over the air update ?

http://www.dtg.org.uk/industry/download_schedule.php

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[J G Miller]

On Monday, January 23rd, 2012, at 18:50:40h +0000, Mark Carver asked:

> Over the air update ?
>
> http://www.dtg.org.uk/industry/download_schedule.php

Do DTG broadcasts include complete firmware upgrades even
if they are not Freeview related?

[Mark Carver]

They're not supposed to, but if there is an OTA update available, and you hit
'Update Scan' it'll find it, (and find it without any form of internet
connection).

[Mick.]

Hi J G,
Thanks for your reply.
When I said TV is not internet connected, I should have said it cannot be
connected.
Nor is there a USB slot, so the only way any software update could be
applied, seems to be by transmission?

When I first wrote I was thinking there might be others with Samsung TVs
that had connection problems.
Thanks,
Mick.

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[Mick.]

"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 07:08:32 -0000, "Mick." <mrcy...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>Hi J G,
>> Thanks for your reply.
>>When I said TV is not internet connected, I should have said it cannot be
>>connected.
>>Nor is there a USB slot, so the only way any software update could be
>>applied, seems to be by transmission?
>

> Are connected to cable TV?
> --
>
> Martin

Hi Martin,
No not connected to cable just normal transmitter, we move to
HD in March, when as far as I know updates for my Humax box
will be done by HD Transmissions then? I have updated that via computer and
USB stick.
Mick.

[Paul D Smith]

...snip...

Once you solve the problem, do post and let us know what the solution was.

Paul DS

[Mick.]

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> ...snip...
>
> Once you solve the problem, do post and let us know what the solution was.
>
> Paul DS

Yes I will post whatever thoughts Samsung give!
Mick.

[Paul D Smith]

"Mick." <mrcy...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

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Did you see my post suggesting the change to the Humax settings to downgrade
the output? The reason I suggest this is the error is very reminiscent of
what happens to a PC monitor when you try to use settings which are too
"good" for the monitor. Some monitor's do nothing but cleverer ones put up
a message similar to the one you see.

Paul DS.

[Mick.]

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Paul DS.

Hi Paul,

I have re read your post, and have checked the screen resolution
using the V Format button on the remote and it says: 1080i.



It seems to me that it can only be re set to anything different by first
going through the"Factory Reset "

Procedure again first each time?



Please bear in mind I am not too technical, is the setting of 526i if
possible to set, the lowest one?

Are you suggesting I try the lowest setting?



I did get a reply from Samsung today, but they only said to auto retune the
channel search, which even I can tell will not help with the connection
between the recorder and TV.



There are no problems watching live programmes, but I record everything, to
time shift days and skip the adverts.



Mick.

[Paul D Smith]

> Hi Paul,
>
> I have re read your post, and have checked the screen resolution
> using the V Format button on the remote and it says: 1080i.
>
>
>
> It seems to me that it can only be re set to anything different by first
> going through the"Factory Reset "
>
> Procedure again first each time?
>
>
>
> Please bear in mind I am not too technical, is the setting of 526i if
> possible to set, the lowest one?
>
> Are you suggesting I try the lowest setting?
>
>
>
> I did get a reply from Samsung today, but they only said to auto retune
> the channel search, which even I can tell will not help with the
> connection between the recorder and TV.
>
>
>
> There are no problems watching live programmes, but I record everything,
> to time shift days and skip the adverts.

Try pressing the "V-Format" button - this should cycle through the available
settings. When using playback, try this and see if the picture magially
appears.

Paul DS.

[Mick.]

"Paul D Smith" <paul_d...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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Hi, Samsung have sent a 2nd post this time with a link to another driver to
install
But it then goes on to tell me to install it with a USB stick!!
When I had already told them the TV had no USB slot.

I will phone them and see if the "service" socket can be used.

They wanted and had all the model and serial numbers from the set yet still
do not seem to know what model it is?
Mick.

[Mick.]

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>
> Hi, Samsung have sent a 2nd post this time with a link to another driver
> to install
> But it then goes on to tell me to install it with a USB stick!!
> When I had already told them the TV had no USB slot.
>
> I will phone them and see if the "service" socket can be used.
>
> They wanted and had all the model and serial numbers from the set yet
> still do not seem to know what model it is?
> Mick.

Hi again,
I phoned Samsung support and they confirmed the link to the new
driver they suggested I install, was NOT for my model.
That also said there were no updates available for the set.
And suggested I change the HDMI cable, which I had done.

Looks like my next TV will not be a Samsung.
Mick.

[J G Miller]

On Monday, January 23rd, 2012, at 08:04:38h +0000, Mick. wrote:

> Any thoughts please?

Re-reading your problem I think it may be related to the
handshaking arrangement on the HDMI cable.

I would only guess that you see the "no signal" message
when you turn on the TV with the attached devices already
powered up.

I would suggest that the only way to resolve the problem is
to power on the TV and then if you get the "no signal" message
from either box, switch off the box, count to 3, then switch
on the box again and see if the TV then sees the box.

This behavior is not just limited to Samsung TVs but all
TVs and connected HDMI devices as far as I am aware.

If it still says "no signal" then there does appear to be
a fault.

[Clive]

In message <jg9966$5fe$3...@dont-email.me>, J G Miller <mil...@yoyo.ORG>
writes

>This behavior is not just limited to Samsung TVs but all
>TVs and connected HDMI devices as far as I am aware.

My Panasonic TV has 3 HDMI slots, two Scarts an array of phono sockets
and even a socket for a SD card from a camera. On the remote there are
two buttons, one for it's own Freeview internals and another for the
external which then gives you a menu. If you've not already gone to
the right device switched on as is displayed in the menu, the set just
sits there with a blank screen, it doesn't look for another input.
--
Clive

[J G Miller]

On Tuesday, Januar 31st, 2012, at 19:21:21h +0000, Clive wrote:

> If you've not already gone to the right device switched on as
> is displayed in the menu, the set just sits there with a blank screen,
> it doesn't look for another input.

Indeed not, there is not autoswitching as there can be with SCART.

I should have been explicit and said that to check on the presence
of a device you must select the HDMI input for that device
via the onscreen menu for external devices and if nothing is
there, try powering down and back up the external device.

[Paul D Smith]

"J G Miller" <mil...@yoyo.ORG> wrote in message

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Not sure I agree with this. If I'm watching TV and switch on my HDMI
attached Humax PVR, the Panasonic TV switches to the Humax. The TV
_doesn't_ do this if I switch on the HDMI attached PS3 so I suspect it's
wrong to say that there _isn't_ autoswitching, rather it's either done in
ways which some manufacturers get wrong, or don't bother with at all.

Paul DS.

[Mick.]

"Clive" <cl...@yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Thank you all for the latest messages,

I have been trying all that has been suggested.

I can connect every time if I wait for any pre set recording to finish, it
is only during those that it sometimes wont connect.

I have by means of elimination found best chances of connecting, are to
wake the Recorder up first from standby, then use the
source button on the TV remote to go to the HDMI source.

I will just learn to have more patience and live with it :-)
Mick.

[Paul D Smith]

Mick,

Were you trying to do the following then?

- leave the box in standby and programmed to record
- wait for it to start recording
- turn on TV
- try to select PVR from the TV => no signal?

If so then that's exactly what my Humax does. Whilst "recording from
standby" it is in a twilight state and not outputing from the HDMI until I
bring oit out of "standby-but-recording".

Paul DS

[J G Miller]

On Wednesday, February 1st, 2012, at 08:46:49h +0000, Mick. wrote:

> I can connect every time if I wait for any pre set recording to finish,
> it is only during those that it sometimes wont connect.

So it sounds like the Humax is not sending any video signal on the HDMI
output whilst it is busy recording.

> I have by means of elimination found best chances of connecting, are
> to wake the Recorder up first from standby, then use the source button
> on the TV remote to go to the HDMI source.

What happens if you change the HDMI source to the recorder and
then wake it up?

[Mick.]

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Hi Paul,
Yes that is correct except the Humax comes out of standby ok, and
the ring around the central button turns red
but the TV still displays "no signal"
I can get a connection sometimes by using the source button on the TV remote
but sometimes I just have to wait for the recording to finish before it will
connect.

And yes I have also tried a few different HDMI cables and the socket used on
the TV.
Mick.

[Paul D Smith]

"Mick." <mrcy...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

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Just to confirm, when the Humax "comes out of standby" this is because
you've pressed the "On/Off" button either on the remote or the box and NOT
because it has started recording something?

If so then this is a fault I've never seen. My Humax always comes on and my
Panasonic immediately switches to it (with some odd flickering/switching
until the TV becomes happy).

Paul DS.

[Mick.]

"Paul D Smith" <paul_d...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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Hi, yes I bring it out of standby by using the power button on the remote,
whether or not it might be recording a set programme.

There is a "handshaking" problem known about but mine seems to be affected
more than others.
Which is why I wanted to try updating the drivers in the TV, but now know
there are no new drivers for it, or any way of putting them in anyhow.

My Samsung TV does not switch to the correct HDMI input I use the source
button to select it.
Mick.

[Clive]

In message <nt6dndippLFgZrXS...@brightview.com>, Mick.
<mrcy...@yahoo.co.uk> writes

>I have by means of elimination found best chances of connecting, are to
>wake the Recorder up first from standby, then use the
>source button on the TV remote to go to the HDMI source.
>I will just learn to have more patience and live with it :-)
>Mick.

My Panasonic BD/HDD recorder/Burner, is a pain.you switch it on , it
take ages thinking about it. Whatever you try to do it blanks the
screen whilst it thinks about it for 10 to 15 seconds before announcing
that what you are trying to do is permissible or not permissible, or
that you need a different menu and please go back to start and try
again. (Do not collect £200);-)
--
Clive